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same world.
Initial draft items for pushing a progressive, peaceful, joyful info
tech and telecom policy in Pakistan with the new government just in.
++++ IT and telecom
++++ Agenda items
Hardware
Hardware research and
Re: Galileo's Finger
No respect! [for ...]
The gesture is historic though.
http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/galileo/finger.html
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Of josh zeidner
Sent: Saturday, December 14, 2002 9:50 AM
To: marc.garrett
Cc: list@rhizome.org
Subject: Re: RHIZOME_RAW: Galileo's Finger
How appropriate that the catholic church should
allow Galileo to make a significant and meaningful
gesture to them even after his death! Did you know
that Galileo's excommunication from the Roman Catholic
Church was rebuked only in the past 50 years?
-josh
--- "marc.garrett" <marc.garrett@furtherfield.org>
wrote:
> BlankGalileo's Finger
>
> Middle Finger of Galileo's Right Hand
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> http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/galileo/finger.html
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The gesture is historic though.
http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/galileo/finger.html
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From: owner-list@rhizome.org [mailto:owner-list@rhizome.org] On Behalf
Of josh zeidner
Sent: Saturday, December 14, 2002 9:50 AM
To: marc.garrett
Cc: list@rhizome.org
Subject: Re: RHIZOME_RAW: Galileo's Finger
How appropriate that the catholic church should
allow Galileo to make a significant and meaningful
gesture to them even after his death! Did you know
that Galileo's excommunication from the Roman Catholic
Church was rebuked only in the past 50 years?
-josh
--- "marc.garrett" <marc.garrett@furtherfield.org>
wrote:
> BlankGalileo's Finger
>
> Middle Finger of Galileo's Right Hand
>
> http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/galileo/finger.html
>
>
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IT-telecom:pk - comments/suggestion invited
Initial draft items for [pushing] a [progressive, peaceful, joyful]
Info Tech and Telecom Policy for Pakistan. Comments/suggestions are
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Please comment/ get comments /add, and return to list@rhizome.com or
husain@cyber.net.pk very soon.
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FW: Ivan Illich Is Dead
http://www.nytimes.com/2002/12/04/obituaries/04ILLI.html
December 4, 2002, NYT
Ivan Illich, 76, Philosopher Who Challenged Status Quo, Is Dead
By DOUGLAS MARTIN
Ivan Illich, a onetime Roman Catholic priest who, through a steady flow
of books and articles preached counterintuitive sociology to a
disquieted
baby-boom generation, died on Monday at his home in Bremen, Germany. He
was 76.
Celia Samerski, a student of his at the University of Bremen, said the
specific cause of death was not known. She said he also had a home in
Cuernavaca, Mexico.
Mr. Illich was perhaps best known for his 1971 book, "De-Schooling
Society," which protested mandatory public education and the
institutionalization of learning. Along with works like Paul Goodman's,
"Growing Up Absurd: Problems of Youth in the Organized Society,"
published in 1960, it provided grist for a society's growing ambivalence
about educational institutions and much else.
Mr. Illich was a priest who thought there were too many priests, a
lifelong educator who argued for the end of schools and an intellectual
sniper from a perch with a wide view. He argued that hospitals cause
more
sickness than health, that people would save time if transportation were
limited to bicycles and that historians who rely on previously published
material perpetuate falsehoods.
His intellectual ordnance of anarchist panache, hatred of bureaucracy,
Jesuitic argumentation, deep reverence for the past and watered-down
Marxism, was applied to many targets, including relations between the
sexes. More often than not, his conclusions were startling: he thought
life was better for women in pre-modern times.
Critics often picked holes in his complex, verbose arguments, but not a
few hailed them as illuminating critiques of large problems. Anatole
Broyard, writing in The New York Times in 1971, said that his nitpicks
were "like criticizing the grammar of someone who has just delivered a
speech that gave us goose pimples."
But after his 1970's heyday, interest in Mr. Illich's ideas appeared to
wane. Speaking invitations declined, and even some that still came
dripped with nostalgia: Mayor Jerry Brown of Oakland, who was called
Governor Moonbeam when he was governor of California and consorted with
out-of-the-box thinkers like R. Buckminster Fuller and Mr. Illich,
invited him to a conference in 2000.
By 1989, Mr. Broyard wrote in an article about winnowing books from his
library that he would "especially" discard Mr. Illich's works.
Mr. Illich was born on Sept. 4, 1926, in Vienna. He is survived by two
brothers, Micha, of Manhattan. and Sascha, of Nantucket, Mass.
His father, a civil engineer, descended from Dalmatian royalty. His
mother was a Sephardic Jew, and Ivan was expelled from a school in
Vienna
in 1941 because of her background. He went on to study in Florence and
Rome and in Salzburg, where he wrote his doctoral dissertation on the
historian Arnold Toynbee.
Mr. Illich came to the Washington Heights neighborhood of Manhattan in
1952 after being ordained as a priest in Rome. He particularly attended
to the needs of Puerto Ricans, helping establish an employment agency
among other things. In an interview with The New Yorker magazine in
1970,
the Rev. John Connolly, one of his colleagues, called him "their Babe
Ruth."
The article said that early in his career as a priest, Father Illich
began to criticize the church for "its smugness, its bureaucracy and its
chauvinism." But his energy and intellect propelled him to the position
of vice rector of the Catholic University of Ponce in Puerto Rico. He
was
forced out in 1960 for opposing the local bishop's forbidding of
Catholics to vote for a governor who advocated state-sponsored birth
control.
After being recalled briefly to New York, he was assigned to Cuernavaca,
a small city 50 miles west of Mexico City where he established the
Intercultural Center for Documentation to teach priests and laymen who
wanted to become Latin American volunteers.
Mr. Illich's criticisms of church doctrine ranged beyond his advocacy of
birth control, and in 1969 he was branded "politically immoral" by the
Vatican and left the priesthood.
Among other things, he disagreed with the church policy of increasing
the
number of priests in Latin America. He believed that the church could be
revived only by lay people, a populist view that he later applied first
to education and then to other institutions.
"Illich is not against schools or hospitals as such, but once a certain
threshold of institutionalization is reached, schools make people more
stupid, while hospitals make them sick," wrote Matthias Finger and Jose
Manuel Asu'n in "Adult Education at the Crossroads: Learning Our Way
Out"
(Zed Books, 2001).
"And more generally, beyond a certain threshold of institutionalized
expertise, more experts are counterproductive
December 4, 2002, NYT
Ivan Illich, 76, Philosopher Who Challenged Status Quo, Is Dead
By DOUGLAS MARTIN
Ivan Illich, a onetime Roman Catholic priest who, through a steady flow
of books and articles preached counterintuitive sociology to a
disquieted
baby-boom generation, died on Monday at his home in Bremen, Germany. He
was 76.
Celia Samerski, a student of his at the University of Bremen, said the
specific cause of death was not known. She said he also had a home in
Cuernavaca, Mexico.
Mr. Illich was perhaps best known for his 1971 book, "De-Schooling
Society," which protested mandatory public education and the
institutionalization of learning. Along with works like Paul Goodman's,
"Growing Up Absurd: Problems of Youth in the Organized Society,"
published in 1960, it provided grist for a society's growing ambivalence
about educational institutions and much else.
Mr. Illich was a priest who thought there were too many priests, a
lifelong educator who argued for the end of schools and an intellectual
sniper from a perch with a wide view. He argued that hospitals cause
more
sickness than health, that people would save time if transportation were
limited to bicycles and that historians who rely on previously published
material perpetuate falsehoods.
His intellectual ordnance of anarchist panache, hatred of bureaucracy,
Jesuitic argumentation, deep reverence for the past and watered-down
Marxism, was applied to many targets, including relations between the
sexes. More often than not, his conclusions were startling: he thought
life was better for women in pre-modern times.
Critics often picked holes in his complex, verbose arguments, but not a
few hailed them as illuminating critiques of large problems. Anatole
Broyard, writing in The New York Times in 1971, said that his nitpicks
were "like criticizing the grammar of someone who has just delivered a
speech that gave us goose pimples."
But after his 1970's heyday, interest in Mr. Illich's ideas appeared to
wane. Speaking invitations declined, and even some that still came
dripped with nostalgia: Mayor Jerry Brown of Oakland, who was called
Governor Moonbeam when he was governor of California and consorted with
out-of-the-box thinkers like R. Buckminster Fuller and Mr. Illich,
invited him to a conference in 2000.
By 1989, Mr. Broyard wrote in an article about winnowing books from his
library that he would "especially" discard Mr. Illich's works.
Mr. Illich was born on Sept. 4, 1926, in Vienna. He is survived by two
brothers, Micha, of Manhattan. and Sascha, of Nantucket, Mass.
His father, a civil engineer, descended from Dalmatian royalty. His
mother was a Sephardic Jew, and Ivan was expelled from a school in
Vienna
in 1941 because of her background. He went on to study in Florence and
Rome and in Salzburg, where he wrote his doctoral dissertation on the
historian Arnold Toynbee.
Mr. Illich came to the Washington Heights neighborhood of Manhattan in
1952 after being ordained as a priest in Rome. He particularly attended
to the needs of Puerto Ricans, helping establish an employment agency
among other things. In an interview with The New Yorker magazine in
1970,
the Rev. John Connolly, one of his colleagues, called him "their Babe
Ruth."
The article said that early in his career as a priest, Father Illich
began to criticize the church for "its smugness, its bureaucracy and its
chauvinism." But his energy and intellect propelled him to the position
of vice rector of the Catholic University of Ponce in Puerto Rico. He
was
forced out in 1960 for opposing the local bishop's forbidding of
Catholics to vote for a governor who advocated state-sponsored birth
control.
After being recalled briefly to New York, he was assigned to Cuernavaca,
a small city 50 miles west of Mexico City where he established the
Intercultural Center for Documentation to teach priests and laymen who
wanted to become Latin American volunteers.
Mr. Illich's criticisms of church doctrine ranged beyond his advocacy of
birth control, and in 1969 he was branded "politically immoral" by the
Vatican and left the priesthood.
Among other things, he disagreed with the church policy of increasing
the
number of priests in Latin America. He believed that the church could be
revived only by lay people, a populist view that he later applied first
to education and then to other institutions.
"Illich is not against schools or hospitals as such, but once a certain
threshold of institutionalization is reached, schools make people more
stupid, while hospitals make them sick," wrote Matthias Finger and Jose
Manuel Asu'n in "Adult Education at the Crossroads: Learning Our Way
Out"
(Zed Books, 2001).
"And more generally, beyond a certain threshold of institutionalized
expertise, more experts are counterproductive
Re: FW: Ivan Illich Is Dead ooee
J, in that case I'll vote for you. But this sounds like an uncrackable
conundrum of code (re arabic mickey). Made several attempts. No key!
Also, I am behind in replying to mails, sorry.
But anyway, [a thought going thru my head for several days]: I am trying
to believe there is no direct relation-correspondence between
[non-escapist conviviality-joy] and [death]. How does one explain
enthusiasm conviviality joy ? flow of hidden desire(?), the successive
opening up of channels(?)...
[I'll have an answer in a few days.. + ]
...Oi vei!
-----Original Message-----
From: josh zeidner [mailto:jjzeidner@yahoo.com]
Sent: Sunday, December 08, 2002 11:16 PM
To: S Yasir Husain
Cc: list@rhizome.org
Subject: Re: RHIZOME_RAW: FW: Ivan Illich Is Dead
If you are Arabic, I am mickey mouse.
:) -josh
--- S Yasir Husain <husain@cyber.net.pk> wrote:
>
>
http://www.nytimes.com/2002/12/04/obituaries/04ILLI.html
>
> December 4, 2002, NYT
>
> Ivan Illich, 76, Philosopher Who Challenged Status
> Quo, Is Dead
> By DOUGLAS MARTIN
>
>
> Ivan Illich, a onetime Roman Catholic priest who,
> through a steady flow
conundrum of code (re arabic mickey). Made several attempts. No key!
Also, I am behind in replying to mails, sorry.
But anyway, [a thought going thru my head for several days]: I am trying
to believe there is no direct relation-correspondence between
[non-escapist conviviality-joy] and [death]. How does one explain
enthusiasm conviviality joy ? flow of hidden desire(?), the successive
opening up of channels(?)...
[I'll have an answer in a few days.. + ]
...Oi vei!
-----Original Message-----
From: josh zeidner [mailto:jjzeidner@yahoo.com]
Sent: Sunday, December 08, 2002 11:16 PM
To: S Yasir Husain
Cc: list@rhizome.org
Subject: Re: RHIZOME_RAW: FW: Ivan Illich Is Dead
If you are Arabic, I am mickey mouse.
:) -josh
--- S Yasir Husain <husain@cyber.net.pk> wrote:
>
>
http://www.nytimes.com/2002/12/04/obituaries/04ILLI.html
>
> December 4, 2002, NYT
>
> Ivan Illich, 76, Philosopher Who Challenged Status
> Quo, Is Dead
> By DOUGLAS MARTIN
>
>
> Ivan Illich, a onetime Roman Catholic priest who,
> through a steady flow