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Hi Mark,

Thanks for your reply, you should see my work knowing that in Portuguese
(Brazilian), my language, to be "fera" in anything is to do anything very
very well, fera = fauve, so that, what I imagined when I created the work,
was just to say that Fauve in programming is someone that programms very
very well.

On the other hand I know that Fauvism meant something quite different in
1905 but nowadays people admire the Fauvists, so that things change after
years, the same will happen with web.art. As far as I know, this kind of art
is not being insulted, but there are many people in the world that ignores
what web.art is. It is yet very early to say anything concrete about it,
only after years and with some distance we will know what web.art really was
and what were the necessary web.artist's skills. For that reason I asked:

Fauve in programming?

The Fauvism is there just to say that things change and it is very diffcult
to see things clearly when we are in the "eye of the hurricane". The other
reason is that I really love the Fauvist colours ;-), but it is a personal
reason. Perhaps, if I was alive in 1905 I have hated them ...

Cheers,

Regina

----- Original Message -----
From: "mark cooley" <flawedart@yahoo.com>
To: <list@rhizome.org>
Sent: Monday, November 14, 2005 2:31 PM
Subject: RHIZOME_RAW: Re: About fauves, wild beasts and feras - tigers /-

> hi Regina - just a quick thought - i think you are stretching it more
> than a bit to harken back to so-called Fauvism in order to only say that
> there are "whiz" programmers out there. of course there are skilled
> programmers but most of them are not artists. but more to the point -
> Fauvism meant something quite different in 1905. the term was originally
> meant (by the critic who penned it) as an insult because of the perceived
> lack of skill expressed through new work that was coming from a group of
> artists later known as "Fauvists". perhaps the term Fauve (if you must
> use it) would more likely describe an artist programmer who breaks from
> the conventions that would mark her/him as a skilled programmer in the
> conventional sense - a poorly skilled programmer - again in the sense of
> what "skill" means to conventional programmers. the term was not an
> indication of perfected skills but reckless abandonement of established
> "skills", and i would argue that this is still the widel!
> y held interpetation of the term. beyond this - invoking Fauvism only
> places net art squarely in the modernist camp that much of net art
> (fortunately) seems to reject -
>
> mark
>
>
> Regina Celia Pinto wrote:
>
>> Dear all,
>>
>> Some people have written me telling that they did not understand the
>> second
>> page of my e-book 'The Craft of the Web.Artist, Some Considerations',
>> which
>> I called "Fauve" in programming? , at:
>>
>> http://arteonline.arq.br/web_art_considerations/dois.htm
>>
>> In fact there is a difficult language joke there:
>>
>> "Fauvism, French Fauvisme, style of painting that flourished in France
>> from
>> 1898 to 1908; it used pure, brilliant colour, applied straight from
>> the
>> paint tubes in an aggressive, direct manner to create a sense of an
>> explosion on the canvas. The Fauves painted directly from nature as
>> the
>> Impressionists had before them, but their works were invested with a
>> strong
>> expressive reaction to the subjects they painted. First formally
>> exhibited
>> in Paris in 1905, Fauvist paintings shocked visitors to the annual
>> Salon
>> d'Automne; one of these visitors was the critic Louis Vauxcelles,
>> who,
>> because of the violence of their works, dubbed the painters "Les
>> Fauves"
>> (Wild Beasts)."
>>
>> Well, in portuguese to be "fera" (fauve - wild beast) in something is
>> to do
>> something very very well, is to be a whiz.
>>
>> I use "fauve" in programming with the sense of "programming whiz".
>>
>> The tiger there is related with the word Fauve (French) - Fera
>> (Portuguese) - Wild Beast (English).
>>
>> Also I used pure, brilliant colour at the background of my e-book
>> because of
>> the Fauves, specialy Henri Matisse, who I admire deeply.
>>
>> The tiger made of words try to show what is "inside of the real
>> tigers"
>> there, or it shows that those tigers are not real but programmed.
>> Only a
>> very good programmer could programm alive tigers.
>>
>> All the best,
>>
>> Regina C�lia Pinto
>>
>> http://arteonline.arq.br/
>> http://arteonline.arq.br/library.htm
>>
>> New Works:
>>
>> http://arteonline.arq.br/magic_walls/
>> http://arteonline.arq.br/eva/
>> http://arteonline.arq.br/ducks/
>>
>>
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Hello Dirk,
>
> Someone else mailed me privately she saw something like this being done in
> the eighties, so i guess that might have been a laser projection. Do you
> or
> anyone else know what quality of image such techniques might be capable of
> in outdoor conditions? Or whether you could have the static 3d input mixed
> with other input like words or part of words going through it, whether you
> could fade in/out inputs and overlap them in time?
>

Yes, I saw the castle of the "Facteur Cheval"
(http://www.aricie.fr/facteur-cheval/) as holography in the XVI Sao Paulo
Bienalle, 1981. The exhibition of this castle was part of the "Outsider Art
Exhibition", one of the manifestations of the XVI bienalle, curated by
Victor Musgrave. I have the catalogue of this part of the bienalle with me,
but unfortunatelly it does not show a photo of the holography and also it
does not have any text about it. However I remember that there were
projectors that seemed to be lasers to make the 3d light image, which was
not so big but completely astonishing for me. Perhaps someone else in this
list visited the XVI Sao Paulo bienalle and should give you better
information than me.

I imagine that your catedral could use the same process because also it is
an architecture.

I hope you get it!

Regina Celia Pinto

http://arteonline.arq.br/
http://arteonline.arq.br/library.htm

New Works:

http://arteonline.arq.br/magic_walls/
http://arteonline.arq.br/eva/
http://arteonline.arq.br/ducks/

Dear all,

Some people have written me telling that they did not understand the second
page of my e-book 'The Craft of the Web.Artist, Some Considerations', which
I called "Fauve" in programming? , at:

http://arteonline.arq.br/web_art_considerations/dois.htm

In fact there is a difficult language joke there:

"Fauvism, French Fauvisme, style of painting that flourished in France from
1898 to 1908; it used pure, brilliant colour, applied straight from the
paint tubes in an aggressive, direct manner to create a sense of an
explosion on the canvas. The Fauves painted directly from nature as the
Impressionists had before them, but their works were invested with a strong
expressive reaction to the subjects they painted. First formally exhibited
in Paris in 1905, Fauvist paintings shocked visitors to the annual Salon
d'Automne; one of these visitors was the critic Louis Vauxcelles, who,
because of the violence of their works, dubbed the painters "Les Fauves"
(Wild Beasts)."

Well, in portuguese to be "fera" (fauve - wild beast) in something is to do
something very very well, is to be a whiz.

I use "fauve" in programming with the sense of "programming whiz".

The tiger there is related with the word Fauve (French) - Fera
(Portuguese) - Wild Beast (English).

Also I used pure, brilliant colour at the background of my e-book because of
the Fauves, specialy Henri Matisse, who I admire deeply.

The tiger made of words try to show what is "inside of the real tigers"
there, or it shows that those tigers are not real but programmed. Only a
very good programmer could programm alive tigers.

All the best,

Regina Celia Pinto

http://arteonline.arq.br/
http://arteonline.arq.br/library.htm

New Works:

http://arteonline.arq.br/magic_walls/
http://arteonline.arq.br/eva/
http://arteonline.arq.br/ducks/

Some fragments about painting and code of my article "The Web.Artist Craft,
Some Considerations at http://www.sporkworld.org//index.php .

Painting and Drawing

"In my case, the craft of the web.artist involves painting with electronic
media. Given the kind of support medium I’ve chosen, whether it’s the screen
of my laptop or desktop, or the walls or floor of the rooms, my procedure is
no different from the one I use in my studio. I don’t design ideas in
advance. I let them happen, and they arrange themselves in the forms of
support I’ve chosen, then, slowing down, the gestures become deeper, as the
creative process increasingly requires a profound dialogue with what is
taking place on the screen, whether it is electronic or made from linen,
cotton or paper." [Aloysio Novis - http://www.geocities.com/aloysionovis/]

As Giselle Beiguelman (http://www.desvirtual.com/ ) aptly stated in a
conversation in the Rhizome community (09 - 2005), ”a mouse is not a
paintbrush...” and although there is a pen-mouse (which I’ve never used)
that is different from an ordinary mouse, I don’t believe it’s possible for
an artist to work and feel their work in the same way when using such
different tools. When painting there is a tangible medium - paint, which
makes a sloppy mess in cyan, yellow and magenta. In the case of computers,
what we have is light and pixels, and red, green, blue, a clean art and…a
certain limitation due to the software. Before I became a web.artist, I did
some painting on canvas, and I can’t see the similarity between these two
artistic expressions. These processes require completely different
reasoning. The only similarities are the creative tension that both of them
cause: the pleasure of creation. The same occurs with digital drawings: for
me, drawing on a sheet of paper is not the same as drawing on the computer
screen.

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Programming skills

The web artist is the artist that creates and produce art utilizing the
lobes of his brain.[Clemente Padin -
ttp://arteonline.arq.br/spams\_trashes/ ] Does a web.artist have to be a
programming whiz?

Not all artists working on the web today are good programmers, but
programming is part of the set of necessary skills and makes a work of
“web.art” function at its best. Anyone who can create a program and make it
work exactly as they’d visualized it is an artist too - an artist of the
programming language or code. I believe that the act of creating new
programming code produces the same creative tension as any other act of
creation, such as painting, drawing, writing poetry or literature or
composing music… Well-crafted code is a work of art.

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Conclusion?...

Deleuze has said that the great film directors are like the great painters
and musicians: they are the best at talking about what they do. But when
talking about it, they become something else - philosophers or
theoreticians…
I have written this as a web.artist, and at no time have I intended to
theorize or philosophize. I am still a web.artist, and the thing that most
enchants me about my craft are the following poems:

Weaver of particles, he tightens to Time an optical trap around the Earth.
[Patrick-Henri Burgaud - http://www.aquoisarime.net/index.htm/ ]

Web artists reach into the ether toward a dream of global sharing and
understanding” [Jim Andrews - http://vispo.com/ ]

And it is precisely because of this that I keep thinking that creating a
work of web.art does not require all the skills I’ve described here. All the
“web.artwork” has to do is move the people who visit it.

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The article "The Web.Artist Craft: some considerations", is a complement of
the e.book I have launched last March, which has the same name: "The
Web.Artist Craft: some considerations", and has already two animated pages
at:

http://arteonline.arq.br/web\_art\_considerations/ .

Do not forget of move the mouse on the second page: "Fauve" ;-) in
Programming

This book will be done page by page.
If you have any consideration to do on the web.artist's craft, send me your
text and I will build a new animated book's page.
To see the subjects of the future pages, read the article "The Web.Artist
Craft: some considerations" at:

http://www.sporkworld.org//index.php

Let's organize (or not ;-)) the Web.Artist's Craft!

better screen resolution: 1024 X 768

Regina Celia Pinto

http://arteonline.arq.br/
http://arteonline.arq.br/library.htm

New Works:

http://arteonline.arq.br/magic\_walls/
http://arteonline.arq.br/eva/
http://arteonline.arq.br/ducks/