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Re: who is who


natalie is kate bush alike amusing little creature

Sure is. Inspired by pseudo-political ideological propaganda
passed on as art.

leave me out of your anal puss spewing twitter until we meet again at the pds and can you stop filling my mail box up i cant get other more important mail..... sombody kick this bitch to the curb she sucking my 40 like its her daddys dick.

"-IID42 Kandinskij @27+" wrote:On Sun, 8 Sep 2002 tech@flashkit.com wrote:

> IID42 is a girl

Nep.

> (or older woman, whatever, in short someone who hadn't had
> sex for quite a while)

I'm neither female, nor sexually deprived.
And your pathetic knee-jerks about sexual energy are not interesting.
Yah, all humans should be trained to fuck like maniacs and piss
their energy away. Free sex, free booze, and free marijuana to all.

If everyone is in continuous stupor there will be no 'needless
suffering'.

> manik are marija and nikola

Good for them.

> max is max

> natalie is kate bush alike amusing little creature

Sure is. Inspired by pseudo-political ideological propaganda
passed on as art.

> muserna dances salsa

> i'm 21 yrs old

> void is an architect

> eryk is in love

> pall is ok

Ok? He can't understand English but he 'corrects' it.
I suppose that's your ide aof 'creativity' though.

> lewis is a poet

And his friends are shamans.

Spare me the hippie posing.

`, . ` `k a r e i' ? ' D42

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Re: Sorta Like the Schoenberg one plus the malaise and Weimar and WW3


redefining to equal a new percepctive. a new stratagem to better understanding of forms because with in this frame of the real it fails to equal in parts or the whole. it leaves to many unanswered questions. lacking to comprehend certian significants of the matrix. its our logic failing although usefull there seems to be more then just this single strategem, that line and this a+b=a a kind of free for all exhale to better grasp the universe as a whole. the referance to past failures, the anxiety of personal identity, and the code with in everthing the falling apart the coming back together to redifine i love that word. identity is more complex then what has been presumed whether personal pop gene or cultural. it is a challenge to logic and/or modernist notions it is political regurgitation of human behavoirism and a revolt of predetermined fate. it can be the most ridiculous sarcasim have you seen thoughs hardees commercials CAPTILIST______ _______ in the blanket. using this sarcasim to sell. that pissed me off i would like to hear more of what you have to say about this if you think i am mad that would be nice to know too.
Pall Thayer
wrote: OK, I've thought about it and here comes my take on post-modernism. A
good example of post-modernism would be IID42. Not exactly a lack of
understanding of predefined concepts and basic knowledge but rather a
redefinition. Disregard for ideas seen by others as truths or rules. For
instance claiming that someone elses English is "bearly" legible. Now
most of us would understand this as something to be read only by bears.
But IID42 appears to mean that the English in question doesn't adhere to
his/her own private set of rules. Very post-modern.

Hinn 7.09.2002 kl. 03:08 ritadhi Max Herman:

>
>
> Post-Modernism?!
> Michael Albert
>
>
> A little over two years ago, preparing to ride from Boston to New York
> to
> attend the Socialist Scholars Conference, I asked a scholar friend to
> explain "post-modernism" in the four to five hours we would spend on the
> road. He accepted, and we rode-he lecturing and me listening.
>
> When we got to New York if someone had walked up and asked, "What is
> post-modernism?" I could not have answered. Four hours and I still
> didn't
> know what "post-modernism" referred to. Three interpretations spring to
> mind.
>
> My tutor was an idiot incapable of explaining one concept in four hours.
>
> I am an idiot incapable of understanding one concept in four hours.
>
> The concept is idiotic, a vague pastiche of mush covering a range too
> broad
> to clarify in four hours.
>
> The third possibility, as you might guess, is my favorite. But how
> could a
> concept which engenders shelves of books be nearly empty? Here's my
> hypothesis: Literary theory is largely a sham literary theorists use to
> cajole regal treatment from their professional cohorts, bosses,
> students,
> and broader intellectual community.
>
> How can I commit such blasphemy?
>
> First, calling an academic discipline phony is often common sense, not
> blasphemy.
>
> Take mainstream economics. Nearly the entire "neoclassical" economic
> edifice
> is constructed to legitimate the rewards of economists by pleasing the
> corporate piper who pays the bills. Thus, mainstream economists mainly
> "prove" capitalism's worth or indicate how capitalists can better pursue
> their own ends and rarely try to understand how the system works, who
> benefits, who loses, and why.
>
> Or take academic political science. Again, the idea is not actually to
> understand the government-who would pay scholars to do this?-but to
> "theorize government" in ways that justify official behavior.
>
> I doubt that Z readers would recoil in horror at these condemnations of
> mainstream economics and politics. I even think most Z readers would
> probably find supporting evidence quite convincing. For example, surveys
> reveal that economics graduate students accept these horrible assertions
> about their own profession, and the best first-hand documentation of the
> inner workings of the U.S. government, such as the Pentagon Papers, are
> exactly the materials that political science departments never bother to
> study.
>
> But literary theory? Surely this can't be phony. After all, the most
> obscure
> practitioners of literary theory are often radicals and self-serving
> mystification is never radical.
>
> Nonetheless, suppose you are an English literature teacher and you
> want a
> high salary, intellectual status, and tenure. How does reading and
> discussing literature warrant receipt of such goodies? Wouldn't
> admitting
> that such matter-of-fact activity was the essence of teaching English
> literature make it hard to justify big bucks, big status, tenure, and
> paid
> trips to distant conferences? To justify these rewards there must be a
> "theory" that takes years to master and that some people employ better
> than
> others, at least in their own eyes.
>
> Enter literary theory, an incomprehensible tangle of concepts and
> phrases
> made so dense and vague that:
>
> No one who isn't willing to suspend rationality can use it.
>
> No one can possibly get enough of a grip on it to counter or refute it.
>
> Anyone who attempts to can be ridiculed on the grounds of not
> understanding
> the theory in the first place.
>
> Thus, with their incomprehensible "discourse" in place, literary
> theorists
> have a defensible academic niche. The fact that many students feel like
> dummies because they don't have a clue what's going on is apparently
> insufficient reason for anyone in the club to rock the boat.
>
> Now I admit that the above is very harsh and no more than an undefended
> hypothesis. And I also admit that the reason for the lack of supporting
> textual evidence is because my attempts to find a literary theory book
> that
> I can comprehend sufficiently to assess have been futile. Here's the
> kind of
> "discourse" you have to comprehend to read even what the less obscure
> literary theorists say about novels, movies, MTV, modern architecture,
> pop
> songs, and modern literature: post-modern moment, binarisms,
> overdetermined
> conflict, pure systematicity, post-structuralism, hermeneutic,
> metanarrative, deconstruction, irreducible materiality, semiotics, and
> dialogism.
>
> Not understanding these tangled terms and doubting the need to use them
> to
> comment sensibly on pop music's Talking Heads, TV's "The Young and the
> Restless," Hollywood's Star Wars, baseball's Dodgers Stadium, or
> literature's Ishmael Reed, I more than happily grant that my hypothesis
> that
> these terms mean nothing may be wrong. Perhaps "irreducible
> materiality" and
> "pure systematicity" are exactly the concepts needed to "theorize"
> Madonna.
> But if so, it still ought to be possible for literary theorists to
> describe,
> popularize, and generally make understandable what their results are so
> the
> rest of us can know there is something real going on behind all the
> obscure
> terminology. Even the most difficult physics can be described so average
> persons get a good idea of the main results and questions. If it can be
> done
> for theories about quarks, gluons, big bangs, and black holes, it ought
> to
> be able to be done for theories about everyday culture and
> communication.
>
> So, please, someone tell me what I can read to understand literary
> theory so
> that I can withdraw my hypothesis and write an informative summary.
> I'll bet
> not one percent of Z's readers can define the earlier listed terms. So
> wouldn't it be sensible to let the rest of us in on the action, assuming
> there is any?
>
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Re: Fwd: Mail Delivery Status Notification


-IID42 Kandinskij @27+" wrote:
On Wed, 4 Sep 2002, natalie myers wrote:

> this is stupid!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

hahah aha haha ah

No, natalie, it's not. But thena gain, you prefer 'revolutionary
pseudo-communism'--which certainly speaks quite a bit of your sexual
ability :) say my name say my name say my name ummmmm dont stop ha ha ha ah aha ha ah aha ha ah i bet you complain during intercourse and well just out right bitch bet you lay there and say this really says alot about your blah blah are you done cuz i gotta work on my robot. and hang out with my friends that hump stumps because desensitization is sooo cool.......

`, . ` `k a r e i i bet your more sensitive then your master huh.........
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-IID42 Kandinskij @27+" > STOP VIOLATING ME I HAVE RIGHTS

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THERE ARE ONLY TWO KINDS OF PEOPLE IN THIS WORLD AND YOU ARE ONE OF THEM
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Re: Natalie


i think you mis-understood me.... by no means was i saying that the artist net or other should be a pacificist. (remember not being pollitical is being pollitical.) Or that they are to un-organized to do anything either. but there is a fine line between being an activist and an artist, finding a balance between both is important. and using your tools for good are as well, with so much choas in public thought it would be easy to create an piece rather wood block poster wheat pasted all over your city or a net.site that causes even more confusion and because we are not being informed properlly the chances of miscommunicated seem very high. i am worried only about honesty and not hasty fanaticsim. The thing that made all the horror of World War 2 possiable was confusion and mis- information spread to the people. That is why those posters are worth so much now,( John Heartfield ) propoganda!!!!! hey what do you know i found it -----------"But what i can't stand on the internet is the propaganda, the hype. The internet is, in reality, decended from ARPAnet, once again a military system, that has been civilized------------thus, i have a fierce oppostion to propaganda, prehaps becuase i lived WW2 and i wont stand for propaganda wheather industrail, political, or religious!"---------Virilio ---------- when talking about neo liberalism, i tend to agree with Susan Goerge.( www.globalexchange.org/economy/econ101/neoliberalism.html ) The thing that concerns me the most is the possiabillty of world war. i am against the war with iraq, i think that there is too much preasure on to many things for it not to esculate into pandamonium.-----------------I think the free marketeers believe some people are worth money, and some are not, and those not should starve or be exterminated if they make trouble while they starve. Darwinism, annihilationism, survivalism, whatever. It's what they believe, psycho as it may sound to anyone who is not mentallyparalyzed. It started at the wansee conference that is where humans become industrailized all this is logic. mass graves suffication in boxes exterminate! exterminate! human worth and value marketed..... brian transplants new bodies for the right money so on so on. I like the memesis statement "humanity has co evolved with its artifacts genes that are not able to cope with this reality will not survive the next millinuim." These things are real you can not stop progress you can only slow it down or adapt with variables. these variables are very important. individual purchase power is a weapon..... maybe? i do not think that things will turn out the way we expect it or predict economically. you should check out BBC.

Offlist is OK, not trying to be evil.

Max

>From: natalie myers

>To: Max Herman
>Subject: Re: RHIZOME_RAW: Natalie
>Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 15:42:42 -0700 (PDT)
>
>
>
> i will get back to you on this i have to work tonight but i will be
>thinking maybe probably respond off list.
>Max Herman wrote:
>
>I was asking what you think because you have mentioned infowar and
>imperialism rules and stuff. Do you really think it is incumbent for
>artists to give up politics-wise and just let it all go as it may?
>I don't know if net art and regular art are quiet about the Iraq invasion
>because it's inevitable, desirable, not our concern, or that we just aren't
>organized enough, and don't know a good way to protest it.
>
>Also, there's the danger of being killed or tortured for speaking against
>the Bush Administration in any effectual way.
>
>Plus the idea that Saddam sucks and it is a good thing to invade. You don't
>hear internet art saying that either.
>
>Frankly if artists aren't involved then there is obviously nothing to slow
>down the military-industrial agenda as it continues onward.
>
>It is a bothersome feeling to me that the US administration is about to do
>something terrible, and not even artists will speak out because they are
>afraid of reprisals. I mean, isn't it precisely when reprisals are
>threatened that we should back down the least?
>
>Plus make no mistake, this invasion if it does occur will determine the
>future very much so. Democrats in the US Congress don't seem much against
>it either, so why artists should care I can't say. I think Nader was on CNN
>Crossfire, I didn't see it, but he might not favor an attack I imagine.
>
>I think Bush wants this war right away because he's the C-in-C but only for
>a bit. Once the war gets started, then things will follow along the course
>he wants--no alternative to global corporate fascism. Already we have
>virtually no alternative. All the alternatives are of course constantly
>being ignored or made impossible by effective conservatives across the
>world.
>
>I think the main reason to invade is to boost the stock market. (See
>Forbes.com "How war with Iraq will change the world.") In that case,
>nothing is more important than the stock market (a vision of the future
>brought to us by GE and other bluechips), Empire. Go to war for Disney and
>Freedom.
>
>Besides, why would they be monitoring me? Everyone knows G2K is bullshit,
>and artists can't change public opinion, and everything is a simulation, or
>whatever. G2K doesn't affect anyone, all the real people know it's a barrel
>of doodoo. And they keep it off the lists! Good real people.
>
>I saw a dude from the American Enterprise Institute on Bill Moyers' show
>about the Earth Summit on Sustainable Development, and he (AEI guy) called
>the free market "one of the greatest achievements we have," remarkable
>wording there, and said that "50 years ago the Southern US--where I'm
>from--was poor, and now we're rich." Yet the AEI is full of psychotics.
>Real people know that markets HAVE to be regulated or they wreak
>destruction. Laws against slavery for example; if it was all free market
>then slavery would be legal still. The French Revolution was about the
>people's right to regulate markets. USA rev too. AEI guy doesn't mention
>that of course. Why would he? There's no money in it, just the nauseating
>misery of facing a hopeless mass of ignorant, violent humans brimming over
>like Chernobyl water.
>
>I think the free marketeers believe some people are worth money, and some
>are not, and those not should starve or be exterminated if they make
>trouble
>while they starve. Darwinism, annihilationism, survivalism, whatever. It's
>what they believe, psycho as it may sound to anyone who is not mentally
>paralyzed.
>
>We've also been pushed toward needing war to save the stock market by a
>long
>period of erosion in all forms of non-stock-market problem-solving.
>
>Imperialist freemarketeers call it ratcheting. What bugs me about Negri and
>Hardt is they say "Empire is now all there is, but we can create something
>else." That seems weak to me. Either way, they need to come to grips with
>G2K now that they are famous and influential. I wonder what they'd say, or
>if they ever will hear of it.
>
>World leaders decided long ago that democracies are not governable
>(Zbigniew
>Brzezinski), and are basically converting us to a non-democratic system. Of
>course we all still have to think it's democracy, that's the kicker. If
>they came right out and said "Hey let's go fascist" they would fail,
>because
>people are emotionally attached to democracy still and can't function
>without at least a convincing fake version to assuage their fears.
>
>By 2025 there won't be any water in the Mideast, so everyone will be a
>terrorist seeking water. Instead of figuring out ways to save water, we are
>preparing to kill all the waterless terrorists with our fabulous market and
>the weapons it provides via sales taxes. Maybe.
>
>There's also the possibility that the US will sink into economic depression
>if we don't invade and make sure all that oil will go to US companies (i.e.
>restore investor confidence in US stocks).
>
>Only a transformation of world consciousness can avert the express elevator
>to hell on earth (if not in space), and only g2k can achieve this.
>
>But everyone hates g2k 'cause I'm a crazy premature ejaculator who hasn't
>made any art or said anything or written anything. Ask around if you don't
>believe me.
>
>Isn't that special?
>
>
>
>
> >From: "Max Herman"
> >Reply-To: "Max Herman"
> >To: list@rhizome.org
> >Subject: RHIZOME_RAW: Natalie
> >Date: Tue, 03 Sep 2002 11:48:03 -0500
> >
> >
> >
> >Hey Natalie, what do you think about net artists protesting the war on
>Iraq
> >and asking for a delay? Do you feel that is too dangerous?
> >
> >Also Judson, I still have a great photo of NM at
> >www.geocities.com/genius-2000/natalie.JPG
> >
> >Coco, are you on this list? Do you feel it is too dangerous?
> >
> >Also, USDAT, are you on this list, and do you think it is too dangerous
>for
> >your group to call for a delay on the invasion of Iraq?
> >
> >I just want to get a handle on the vibe out there.
> >
> >I was also thinking about G2K infomercials. Like in the Beastie Boys
>song,
> >"Everybody actin' like they're in a commercial
> >Actin' like life is a big commercial."
> >
> >Max
> >
> >++
> >
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