Re: Flash Explores New Angles
max, jim, john, fred,
so how are you? you are doing well? air conditioning working? bills payed? you know, how is your dog? you no, that GO is much more challenging then chess. how do you feel about body simulation as flight simulation? like a fully functional virtural cadavor? i went and saw that korperwelten show awhile back are you for or agianst? i am doing well i have been trying to figure out something about myself, i can not understand why i forget who i am- i mean i have done alot and been alot of different things in my life and i have traveled to much i get confused where i am and what i have done it is really strange.... anyway so i have been remebering to forget and forgetting to remeber it is really interesting.
Nmherman@aol.com wrote:In a message dated 8/21/2002 4:53:28 AM Central Daylight Time, portholeaccel@yahoo.com writes:
"there is one way to do it and it is our way they" said Mherman and Gbush. ha ha ha ha ha
That could be true, that's why it's such a negative issue.
However I officially say that comparing me to gb is just an insult, so thanks for that.
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so how are you? you are doing well? air conditioning working? bills payed? you know, how is your dog? you no, that GO is much more challenging then chess. how do you feel about body simulation as flight simulation? like a fully functional virtural cadavor? i went and saw that korperwelten show awhile back are you for or agianst? i am doing well i have been trying to figure out something about myself, i can not understand why i forget who i am- i mean i have done alot and been alot of different things in my life and i have traveled to much i get confused where i am and what i have done it is really strange.... anyway so i have been remebering to forget and forgetting to remeber it is really interesting.
Nmherman@aol.com wrote:In a message dated 8/21/2002 4:53:28 AM Central Daylight Time, portholeaccel@yahoo.com writes:
"there is one way to do it and it is our way they" said Mherman and Gbush. ha ha ha ha ha
That could be true, that's why it's such a negative issue.
However I officially say that comparing me to gb is just an insult, so thanks for that.
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Re: Flash Explores New Angles
you see max really i am in agreement with you on alot of issues.So other then inventing schemes that work i can not argue with you though there are some variables to this.
Maybe he is, everything is Empire now, a fascism cartel with no enemies except bandits, terrorists, and the poor/starving. I'm not saying we're not in that; I'm just saying I can save the world even though we are in that.
"With the power of soul anything is possiable" Jimi Hendrix I believe that you can as well. It starts with the individual as noam chomskys states your individual decisions will make this place what it is. you have to be very aware of that in every aspect to change this place. i believe it is happening now. G-Bush will not be president forever, it is a temparay postion so there is hope.but man the next guy will have a lot of stuff to take care of after this. I pity him or her (got to have hope) The enron thing to me is horrid but it is kinda like the big thing a couple of years back where people were were getting fired from there jobs for stealing office supplies. everybody does it they have done it forever, but then it comes out in the open and the crowd goes wild. I believe this was incouraged by nader's P. run yes the cultural conscienceness is changing it's perspective just look at the stock market it is not getting better and war will not change that. Think of it like a silent protest actions speak louder then words. and anyway people do not verbally or physically protest the government untill somthing happens and there is no dinner on the table and the bills can not be payed. i listed a link to the vr piece i was taking about check it out.
Nmherman@aol.com wrote: In a message dated 8/21/2002 6:14:59 AM Central Daylight Time, portholeaccel@yahoo.com writes:
max, jim, john, fred, so how are you?
Natalie, you are back to discuss? OK. My notice today was called to an Enron exec who agreed to testify. Now I don't need to know his name, age, inner soul to know that--or to think, as Zaphod says to say, back to him later--about how we do have a corrupt economy, in which cheating and robbing are the norm, and in effect, we expect everyone to commit as many crimes as they can at work, and if they go down it's bad luck or the liberals or some other bad cause like forgetful accounting books.
So I see the Enron man going to court, and my thinking is "we expect people to commit crimes at work, and not say a whistle unless you're indicted."
So I see an image or something, and then think off on my own about whatever might be the reaction I had. Just a note on the bad state of affairs, and how you can alter image you see by how you react to it.
you are doing well? air conditioning working? bills payed? you know, how is your dog? you no, that GO is much more challenging then chess. how do you feel about body simulation as flight simulation?
That is one area, VR, that I only think of with salt, like the Star Tron holodeck. But yes, it's a good topic. There certainly could and should be a Max Herman Gameworld people can go to to practice or learn G2K. Or Nintendo, either/or.
I'm skeptical of body virtualization however, in the main it's crude yes? Can you simulate a mind? Al Pacino's new movie to me is for the arrested ones, frozen beasts. Body simulation as flight simulation, that's a real idea in VR right? I'm not against it at all, just not my medium? Also however for g2k's sake I mention "what about mind simulation as flight simulation?" Just to be arch, no offense.
like a fully functional virtural cadavor? i went and saw that korperwelten show awhile back are you for or agianst?
Wow, I don't know about that show. You mentioned plasticity a ways back, that is an interesting idea, facture/touch or something else in German, I think often of the facture of my own media, what/how it is. Is it paint? Is it facture? Where's the plasticity.
Frankenstein, the Golem, automata, robots, genetic biofreaks, that's as old as human fairy tales. A built cadaver, to me, is not conceptually new. Maybe Kac's rabbit is an example of bio-art that doesn't follow the animated-cadaver genre. Seems to me, from either view, I'm exactly an animated cadaver already. That's one argument, i.e. how does utopianism relate to artificial life and intelligence.
I don't go to a lot of art shows or galleries. For intellectual activity I read, write emails, watch movies on the VCR, not a lot of museum tickets for me these days.
i am doing well i have been trying to figure out something about myself, i can not understand why i forget who i am- i mean i have done alot and been alot of different things in my life and i have traveled to much i get confused where i am and what i have done it is really strange....
Maybe the existential dilemma of expression, I take it part and parcel with making art, Keats called it "negative capability" but you better leave a trail of crumbs. Remember Icarus, and "old father, old artificer, stand me now and ever in good stead." Perhaps you are just moving town to town? Many enjoy that way of livin', being on the road. Kerouac say, who I think was not a very great writer.anyway so i have been remebering to forget and forgetting to remeber it is really interesting.
That's a strange double-verb-phrase deal, does it relate to "A Remembrance of Things Past" by Proust? Memory and forgetting are a huge issue for genius, what to dwell on, what not to. Not just artists I don't think. You're saying you're forgetting who you are? Me too I think in some ways, but also remembering, perhaps in equal portion. A new variety of religious experience!!!!!!
Nmherman@aol.com wrote:
In a message dated 8/21/2002 4:53:28 AM Central Daylight Time, portholeaccel@yahoo.com writes:
"there is one way to do it and it is our way they" said Mherman and Gbush
I'm just sick over things. No one seems to advise protest at this point. So yes it's an insane historical situation, we're turning into the Empire is one way to say it. Spartacus is my favorite movie about Empire. Which means we of the realm have to take on imperial roles and mindset. Negri said so. Is he right? Hell if I know. Maybe he is, everything is Empire now, a fascism cartel with no enemies except bandits, terrorists, and the poor/starving. I'm not saying we're not in that; I'm just saying I can save the world even though we are in that.
I used to have a democratic government in my nation-state where I make art, and now it is seeming to become a different kind of government, which changes me and my art and such just like the weather would change me.
I maintain that we require a very large and intelligent protest sphere, that uses art and utopian (unproven) methods to bring about the cultural antidote to Empire--a new way of knowledge, yes my idiot boasting there.
Max Herman
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. ha ha ha ha ha
That could be true, that's why it's such a negative issue.
However I officially say that comparing me to gb is just an insult, so thanks for that.
Righty O then!
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Maybe he is, everything is Empire now, a fascism cartel with no enemies except bandits, terrorists, and the poor/starving. I'm not saying we're not in that; I'm just saying I can save the world even though we are in that.
"With the power of soul anything is possiable" Jimi Hendrix I believe that you can as well. It starts with the individual as noam chomskys states your individual decisions will make this place what it is. you have to be very aware of that in every aspect to change this place. i believe it is happening now. G-Bush will not be president forever, it is a temparay postion so there is hope.but man the next guy will have a lot of stuff to take care of after this. I pity him or her (got to have hope) The enron thing to me is horrid but it is kinda like the big thing a couple of years back where people were were getting fired from there jobs for stealing office supplies. everybody does it they have done it forever, but then it comes out in the open and the crowd goes wild. I believe this was incouraged by nader's P. run yes the cultural conscienceness is changing it's perspective just look at the stock market it is not getting better and war will not change that. Think of it like a silent protest actions speak louder then words. and anyway people do not verbally or physically protest the government untill somthing happens and there is no dinner on the table and the bills can not be payed. i listed a link to the vr piece i was taking about check it out.
Nmherman@aol.com wrote: In a message dated 8/21/2002 6:14:59 AM Central Daylight Time, portholeaccel@yahoo.com writes:
max, jim, john, fred, so how are you?
Natalie, you are back to discuss? OK. My notice today was called to an Enron exec who agreed to testify. Now I don't need to know his name, age, inner soul to know that--or to think, as Zaphod says to say, back to him later--about how we do have a corrupt economy, in which cheating and robbing are the norm, and in effect, we expect everyone to commit as many crimes as they can at work, and if they go down it's bad luck or the liberals or some other bad cause like forgetful accounting books.
So I see the Enron man going to court, and my thinking is "we expect people to commit crimes at work, and not say a whistle unless you're indicted."
So I see an image or something, and then think off on my own about whatever might be the reaction I had. Just a note on the bad state of affairs, and how you can alter image you see by how you react to it.
you are doing well? air conditioning working? bills payed? you know, how is your dog? you no, that GO is much more challenging then chess. how do you feel about body simulation as flight simulation?
That is one area, VR, that I only think of with salt, like the Star Tron holodeck. But yes, it's a good topic. There certainly could and should be a Max Herman Gameworld people can go to to practice or learn G2K. Or Nintendo, either/or.
I'm skeptical of body virtualization however, in the main it's crude yes? Can you simulate a mind? Al Pacino's new movie to me is for the arrested ones, frozen beasts. Body simulation as flight simulation, that's a real idea in VR right? I'm not against it at all, just not my medium? Also however for g2k's sake I mention "what about mind simulation as flight simulation?" Just to be arch, no offense.
like a fully functional virtural cadavor? i went and saw that korperwelten show awhile back are you for or agianst?
Wow, I don't know about that show. You mentioned plasticity a ways back, that is an interesting idea, facture/touch or something else in German, I think often of the facture of my own media, what/how it is. Is it paint? Is it facture? Where's the plasticity.
Frankenstein, the Golem, automata, robots, genetic biofreaks, that's as old as human fairy tales. A built cadaver, to me, is not conceptually new. Maybe Kac's rabbit is an example of bio-art that doesn't follow the animated-cadaver genre. Seems to me, from either view, I'm exactly an animated cadaver already. That's one argument, i.e. how does utopianism relate to artificial life and intelligence.
I don't go to a lot of art shows or galleries. For intellectual activity I read, write emails, watch movies on the VCR, not a lot of museum tickets for me these days.
i am doing well i have been trying to figure out something about myself, i can not understand why i forget who i am- i mean i have done alot and been alot of different things in my life and i have traveled to much i get confused where i am and what i have done it is really strange....
Maybe the existential dilemma of expression, I take it part and parcel with making art, Keats called it "negative capability" but you better leave a trail of crumbs. Remember Icarus, and "old father, old artificer, stand me now and ever in good stead." Perhaps you are just moving town to town? Many enjoy that way of livin', being on the road. Kerouac say, who I think was not a very great writer.anyway so i have been remebering to forget and forgetting to remeber it is really interesting.
That's a strange double-verb-phrase deal, does it relate to "A Remembrance of Things Past" by Proust? Memory and forgetting are a huge issue for genius, what to dwell on, what not to. Not just artists I don't think. You're saying you're forgetting who you are? Me too I think in some ways, but also remembering, perhaps in equal portion. A new variety of religious experience!!!!!!
Nmherman@aol.com wrote:
In a message dated 8/21/2002 4:53:28 AM Central Daylight Time, portholeaccel@yahoo.com writes:
"there is one way to do it and it is our way they" said Mherman and Gbush
I'm just sick over things. No one seems to advise protest at this point. So yes it's an insane historical situation, we're turning into the Empire is one way to say it. Spartacus is my favorite movie about Empire. Which means we of the realm have to take on imperial roles and mindset. Negri said so. Is he right? Hell if I know. Maybe he is, everything is Empire now, a fascism cartel with no enemies except bandits, terrorists, and the poor/starving. I'm not saying we're not in that; I'm just saying I can save the world even though we are in that.
I used to have a democratic government in my nation-state where I make art, and now it is seeming to become a different kind of government, which changes me and my art and such just like the weather would change me.
I maintain that we require a very large and intelligent protest sphere, that uses art and utopian (unproven) methods to bring about the cultural antidote to Empire--a new way of knowledge, yes my idiot boasting there.
Max Herman
++
. ha ha ha ha ha
That could be true, that's why it's such a negative issue.
However I officially say that comparing me to gb is just an insult, so thanks for that.
Righty O then!
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Re: deadication to PETTING
hello muserna, i am natalie myers. i see you did not like the little person that pets you. i work for a company called RGIS i do inventory for walmart in the tri state area i count stuff i count really fast so they make me count action alley with all the candie and little things i am acurate and reliable and well, flexible as well because of this i am able to count many departments even electronics.i like to drink coffee in the morning and just count all day i like shouting for sku-checks and i get off on harrasing the empolyes at walmart. i strongly believe that in order to get a job at walmart you have to be dumber then a box of rocks. sometimes when i want to go on vaction for a year i quite my job and steal from walmart for a year because i have done there inventory in every store in tri state area i know there security methodes very well i know what to take and how to get the most money. alot of the time i go on trips like the time i went to mexico and gaffled those texas instrument calculators you the ones? they go for about 130.00$ i would just pick up one in every town that i came across to return it to the next this went on for about a year and then i would come home and get my job back. i guess that kinda tells you a little bit about who i am...................................
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Pet Name wrote:I'm sorry , I was away from my computer, ummm ,errr, we weren't properly
introduced.. I'm muserna.. and who are you again?
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Re: Flash Explores New Angles
has that not already been done with post structural cinema.(video) i mean turning it agianst itself at this point seems hypocritical kinda like radiohead. or the faint. why they rack in the money and the fame. i hate capitalism but look i am star because of all its toys and will make all its toys say bad things about itself ewwwww funny ha ha that to me seems hypocritical and rather absurd right now.i enjoyed the piece though i wish it would have been a little more plastic a little more korperwelten or the virtual human now that is interesting and the issues that are presented there are important to the human evilution.
Don't pack your bags yet Jess,
I sort of enjoyed its presentation but it did not make me feel that
stimulated intellectually or emotionally or politically or conceptually -
mainly because it seemed like a pop video, and how many of those have we
seen? Loads of the buggers. I think, use the media but rip it apart at the
same time, deconstruct it, break it, use it against itself.
marc
> sent to me as part of the flash debate. preload is a bit of a 'mare but
the
> work is just bloody brilliant. i'm packing my bags....
> jess.
>
> > mx
> >
> > http://www.iamstatic.com/randy/love_me
> >
> > randy Knott
> >
> > http://iamstatic.com
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Jess Loseby"
> > To: "t.whid" ;
> > Sent: Sunday, August 18, 2002 3:02 PM
> > Subject: Re: RHIZOME_RAW: Flash Explores New Angles
> >
> >
> > > Hi,
> > > personally I think probably that part of the problem with the (under)
> > > utilize of MX is sadly down to cost (ho hum). Flash in itself is just
> > about
> > > affordable to general artists but the three cameras, people to shoot
the
> > > film, editing equipment (virtual dub which I use is free and fab but
just
> > > not up to this) to create the kinds of bullet time/interactive video
they
> > > are talking about here is just too far out of your average net artists
> > > reach - but just right for mr corporate design-a-web. Having said that
> > > the time keeps getting shorter between what is affordable to the
> > > industry and what is afforable for the individual is possible so I
would
> > > guess that more is round the corner. I have just begun to play with
> > > video in MX (though not the interactive capabilities as yet).but still
in
> > the
> > > 'ooh this is cool!' stage playing (eg making my daughter swim across
an
> > > page like some weird cyber fish hee! hee!). At the risk of starting a
why
> > > are net artists never paid debate, the double edged sword of the
> > > equality of the net artist (ie anyone can be one regardless of age
> > > background location etc) is perhaps that 'everyone' tends to be on
> > > 'normal' or less (for their age, background, location etc) income
and
> > > can't afford all the gear. In this respect the net artist will always
be
> > > playing catch-up with the corporate boys....
> > > jess.
> > > > Flash Explores New Angles
> > > > Macromedia's Flash MX allows users to do a number of cool tricks,
> > > > including switching instantaneously between video clips.
> > > new work: 'light from the machine'
> > > http://www.rssgallery.com/lightfromthemachine.html o
> > > /^ rssgallery.com
> > > ][
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > + sure it's barring in balls, n'est-ce pas ?
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> o
> /^ rssgallery.com
> ][
>
>
>
> + this isn't a flame war, idiot
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Don't pack your bags yet Jess,
I sort of enjoyed its presentation but it did not make me feel that
stimulated intellectually or emotionally or politically or conceptually -
mainly because it seemed like a pop video, and how many of those have we
seen? Loads of the buggers. I think, use the media but rip it apart at the
same time, deconstruct it, break it, use it against itself.
marc
> sent to me as part of the flash debate. preload is a bit of a 'mare but
the
> work is just bloody brilliant. i'm packing my bags....
> jess.
>
> > mx
> >
> > http://www.iamstatic.com/randy/love_me
> >
> > randy Knott
> >
> > http://iamstatic.com
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Jess Loseby"
> > To: "t.whid" ;
> > Sent: Sunday, August 18, 2002 3:02 PM
> > Subject: Re: RHIZOME_RAW: Flash Explores New Angles
> >
> >
> > > Hi,
> > > personally I think probably that part of the problem with the (under)
> > > utilize of MX is sadly down to cost (ho hum). Flash in itself is just
> > about
> > > affordable to general artists but the three cameras, people to shoot
the
> > > film, editing equipment (virtual dub which I use is free and fab but
just
> > > not up to this) to create the kinds of bullet time/interactive video
they
> > > are talking about here is just too far out of your average net artists
> > > reach - but just right for mr corporate design-a-web. Having said that
> > > the time keeps getting shorter between what is affordable to the
> > > industry and what is afforable for the individual is possible so I
would
> > > guess that more is round the corner. I have just begun to play with
> > > video in MX (though not the interactive capabilities as yet).but still
in
> > the
> > > 'ooh this is cool!' stage playing (eg making my daughter swim across
an
> > > page like some weird cyber fish hee! hee!). At the risk of starting a
why
> > > are net artists never paid debate, the double edged sword of the
> > > equality of the net artist (ie anyone can be one regardless of age
> > > background location etc) is perhaps that 'everyone' tends to be on
> > > 'normal' or less (for their age, background, location etc) income
and
> > > can't afford all the gear. In this respect the net artist will always
be
> > > playing catch-up with the corporate boys....
> > > jess.
> > > > Flash Explores New Angles
> > > > Macromedia's Flash MX allows users to do a number of cool tricks,
> > > > including switching instantaneously between video clips.
> > > new work: 'light from the machine'
> > > http://www.rssgallery.com/lightfromthemachine.html o
> > > /^ rssgallery.com
> > > ][
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > + sure it's barring in balls, n'est-ce pas ?
> > > -> post: list@rhizome.org
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> >
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> + this isn't a flame war, idiot
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+ this isn't a flame war, idiot
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