Re: I have a theory = max herman is UGLY
YOU UGLY
okay ya ummm ya .... sounds like ya like you are ummm ya
Nmherman@aol.com wrote:In a message dated 8/13/2002 8:01:45 PM Central Daylight Time, info@furtherfield.org writes:
There's a dinosaur in the Whitehouse who is blindly threatening humanity
with extinction...
Jarod Lanier needs to hear about G2K, is all I'm saying. Yes we are going extinct, or maybe, or already did. Baudrillard would say that all of this "has already happened for us."
So I cry to water the trees.
I look like a cross between Moby and the singer for the Strokes, i.e., ugly!
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okay ya ummm ya .... sounds like ya like you are ummm ya
Nmherman@aol.com wrote:In a message dated 8/13/2002 8:01:45 PM Central Daylight Time, info@furtherfield.org writes:
There's a dinosaur in the Whitehouse who is blindly threatening humanity
with extinction...
Jarod Lanier needs to hear about G2K, is all I'm saying. Yes we are going extinct, or maybe, or already did. Baudrillard would say that all of this "has already happened for us."
So I cry to water the trees.
I look like a cross between Moby and the singer for the Strokes, i.e., ugly!
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Re: PLUMBER
not minimalist as period - but as just less trouble less material like proto-materialism horns and ants oh my
manik wrote:
Why?I dont know WHY?There's so many secret in art.What's minimalistic?Ask ant and elephant.There's wery important point to considered question about minimalism-end of the rhinocerus horn.
Cordialy
MANIK
Our online exhibitions:
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manik wrote:
Why?I dont know WHY?There's so many secret in art.What's minimalistic?Ask ant and elephant.There's wery important point to considered question about minimalism-end of the rhinocerus horn.
Cordialy
MANIK
Our online exhibitions:
FreeBiennial curated by Sal Randolf
http://www.freewords.org/biennial/artist/vegetable.html
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Re: PLUMBER
i stopped listing on rhizome today you will be the last mail i respond to: i think you are miss understanding what i am saying i siad not as min-period but as in proto-materialism why performance ie all the world is a stage it just seems like to much effort and why instillation i mean well VR is more interesting. no need to respond back i think you have some interesting ideas be well good bye natalie good bye to everyone else too
manik wrote:Hello Natalie,Minimal art is post painting and post sculptural mowement(NYC,60-is)...Term"minimal art"pronounce analitic aesthetic R.Wolfhime...etc.Oh my!Doo your homework.I was trying to make visibile phaenomena of minimal stile .No more free lesons.MANIK----- Original Message ----- From: natalie myers To: list@rhizome.org Sent: Friday, August 02, 2002 4:22 PMSubject: Re: RHIZOME\_RAW: PLUMBER
not minimalist as period - but as just less trouble less material like proto-materialism horns and ants oh my
manik wrote:
Why?I dont know WHY?There's so many secret in art.What's minimalistic?Ask ant and elephant.There's wery important point to considered question about minimalism-end of the rhinocerus horn.
Cordialy
MANIK
Our online exhibitions:
FreeBiennial curated by Sal Randolf
http://www.freewords.org/biennial/artist/vegetable.html
'Mirror at the Botton
manik wrote:Hello Natalie,Minimal art is post painting and post sculptural mowement(NYC,60-is)...Term"minimal art"pronounce analitic aesthetic R.Wolfhime...etc.Oh my!Doo your homework.I was trying to make visibile phaenomena of minimal stile .No more free lesons.MANIK----- Original Message ----- From: natalie myers To: list@rhizome.org Sent: Friday, August 02, 2002 4:22 PMSubject: Re: RHIZOME\_RAW: PLUMBER
not minimalist as period - but as just less trouble less material like proto-materialism horns and ants oh my
manik wrote:
Why?I dont know WHY?There's so many secret in art.What's minimalistic?Ask ant and elephant.There's wery important point to considered question about minimalism-end of the rhinocerus horn.
Cordialy
MANIK
Our online exhibitions:
FreeBiennial curated by Sal Randolf
http://www.freewords.org/biennial/artist/vegetable.html
'Mirror at the Botton
Re: PLUMBER
interesting but why instillation or performance can this not be something more minimalistic why so much trouble? and has it been done? it says -would- who are you and where do you come from and why?.............
manik wrote:
4. Milieu (Ambience)
manik wrote:
4. Milieu (Ambience)
Re: america
i am embarrassed to be human- earnest hemmingway
jill dicknose wrote:
I would be dishonest if I said I didn't hate the American government. I
do hate it, so really, so deeply and, yes, so rightly.
America is the tormentor of my people. It is to me, as a Palestinian,
what Nazi Germany was to the Jews. America is the all-powerful devil
that spreads oppression and death in my neighborhood. How can I not hate
this "great Satan," the evil empire? Does anyone expect people to love
their tormentors?
America has been, and continues to be, the sponsor, enabler, protector,
and justifier of my people's misery for the last fifty years.
America is the author of 53 years of suffering, death, bereavement,
occupation, oppression, homelessness, and victimization.
America is the usurper of my people's right to human rights, democracy,
civil liberties, development, and dignified life.
America is the abettor and financier of Israeli occupation, apartheid,
repression, terror, and territorial aggrandizement.all at my people's
expense.
America is the protector, maintainer, sustainer and guarantor of
despotism, dictatorship, dynastic fiefdoms, and brutal autocracies,
theocracies, oligarchies, and monarchies.
America is the evil power that denies my people their "freedoms and
democracy."
America is the tyrant, global dictatorship that robs hundreds of
millions of Arabs and Muslims of their right to freely elect their
governments and rulers because corporate America dreads the outcome of
democracy in the Muslim world.
America treats me and my people as "children of a lesser God."
In fact, in the final analysis, America offers me one of two choices:
Either I submissively accept perpetual enslavement and oppression or
become an Osama bin Laden. Honestly, there is not a third choice, if
there is one let us see it.
I'm not exaggerating at all, as I know that the distance between being
tormented by America's oppressive hegemony and being converted or
mesmerized into bin-Ladenism is shorter and smaller than many would
think, including the so-called experts in Washington.
In fact, I dare say that the first inevitably leads to the second in a
straightforward cause-effect relationship.
So, please America, don't make me an Osama bin Laden.
I don't want to be one. I hate to kill innocent people, for, in our
religion, killing an innocent human-being consigns the killer straight
to hell. And I don't want to go to hell.
But I don't want to stay in America's hell, either.
In short, it is virtually impossible for me, as indeed is the case for
most Palestinians, Arabs, or Muslims, not to hate America so much.
For me, in order not to hate America, I would have to be imbecile,
bereft of dignity, or without senses and feelings. completely numb.
Only infra-humans and quasi-beasts wouldn't hate their evil tormentors
and grave-diggers. And America is the Palestinian people's ultimate
tormentor and grave-digger, as well as the oppressor and killer of
millions around the world.
In fact, finding an Arab in these days that doesn't hate America would
be like searching for a Jew who is infatuated with Hitler's Germany. Are
there Jews who adore the Nazis?
Are there still Arabs and Muslims who identify with the indirect, but no
less-real, perpetrator of the massacres of Qana, Sabra and Shatilla, and
now Beit Rima. Maybe there still are some, but I'm sure they soon will
disappear. I know that a wealthy Saudi Emir recently made some
sycophantic remarks about being "an ally of America." However, it is
extremely unlikely that he didn't mean what he said. It would be
scandalous if he did, indeed.
I know that "hate" is evil, at least a passive evil. And I, personally,
really strive not to allow my deep hate for the American government and
its murderous policies be transformed from the static form to the
dynamic form.
However, others, who may even hate America more than I do, will not be
able to exercise as much self-control, as much suppression of their
grievances, and as much "wisdom." But Static hate is ultimately a frozen
rage, awaiting the moment of explosion.
I know hate can be blind and deadly. But, I also know that oppression,
as the Holy Qura'n clearly states, is worse than murder. Doesn't Islam's
holy Book declare that "wal-fitnatu Ashaddu minal-qatl?"
Hence, I try, even strive, to make my hate for America, as rational as
possible, as constructive as possible, even as human as possible. This
is not because America deserves to be treated humanely.
The exterminators of 1.5 million Iraqi children, for the purpose of
punishing one man, would never deserve to be treated well, or respected.
They are despicable mass murders of the Hitler's ilk.
I try to control my hate, because my goal is to live in love and peace,
not to hate and be hated by others.
My goal is to be free, free from Israel's US-sponsored and US-funded
oppression and occupation.
I want to be free from apartheid. What is wrong or objectionable about
wanting to be free from apartheid? I want to be free from suffering
which transcends reality.
I want to be free from a life of roadblocks, checkpoints, detention
camps, closed-military zones, "targeted killing," land-confiscation,
home-demolition, and, yes, daily massacres.
I also want to be free from hate, even hate for America. But I know too
well that I can't be free from the effect until I am free from the
cause, and the cause is America's greed, rapacity and hegemony.
All we want is to be left alone and allowed to live a normal life and
exercise our God-given rights and freedoms. like other human beings. Is
this asking for too much?
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jill dicknose wrote:
I would be dishonest if I said I didn't hate the American government. I
do hate it, so really, so deeply and, yes, so rightly.
America is the tormentor of my people. It is to me, as a Palestinian,
what Nazi Germany was to the Jews. America is the all-powerful devil
that spreads oppression and death in my neighborhood. How can I not hate
this "great Satan," the evil empire? Does anyone expect people to love
their tormentors?
America has been, and continues to be, the sponsor, enabler, protector,
and justifier of my people's misery for the last fifty years.
America is the author of 53 years of suffering, death, bereavement,
occupation, oppression, homelessness, and victimization.
America is the usurper of my people's right to human rights, democracy,
civil liberties, development, and dignified life.
America is the abettor and financier of Israeli occupation, apartheid,
repression, terror, and territorial aggrandizement.all at my people's
expense.
America is the protector, maintainer, sustainer and guarantor of
despotism, dictatorship, dynastic fiefdoms, and brutal autocracies,
theocracies, oligarchies, and monarchies.
America is the evil power that denies my people their "freedoms and
democracy."
America is the tyrant, global dictatorship that robs hundreds of
millions of Arabs and Muslims of their right to freely elect their
governments and rulers because corporate America dreads the outcome of
democracy in the Muslim world.
America treats me and my people as "children of a lesser God."
In fact, in the final analysis, America offers me one of two choices:
Either I submissively accept perpetual enslavement and oppression or
become an Osama bin Laden. Honestly, there is not a third choice, if
there is one let us see it.
I'm not exaggerating at all, as I know that the distance between being
tormented by America's oppressive hegemony and being converted or
mesmerized into bin-Ladenism is shorter and smaller than many would
think, including the so-called experts in Washington.
In fact, I dare say that the first inevitably leads to the second in a
straightforward cause-effect relationship.
So, please America, don't make me an Osama bin Laden.
I don't want to be one. I hate to kill innocent people, for, in our
religion, killing an innocent human-being consigns the killer straight
to hell. And I don't want to go to hell.
But I don't want to stay in America's hell, either.
In short, it is virtually impossible for me, as indeed is the case for
most Palestinians, Arabs, or Muslims, not to hate America so much.
For me, in order not to hate America, I would have to be imbecile,
bereft of dignity, or without senses and feelings. completely numb.
Only infra-humans and quasi-beasts wouldn't hate their evil tormentors
and grave-diggers. And America is the Palestinian people's ultimate
tormentor and grave-digger, as well as the oppressor and killer of
millions around the world.
In fact, finding an Arab in these days that doesn't hate America would
be like searching for a Jew who is infatuated with Hitler's Germany. Are
there Jews who adore the Nazis?
Are there still Arabs and Muslims who identify with the indirect, but no
less-real, perpetrator of the massacres of Qana, Sabra and Shatilla, and
now Beit Rima. Maybe there still are some, but I'm sure they soon will
disappear. I know that a wealthy Saudi Emir recently made some
sycophantic remarks about being "an ally of America." However, it is
extremely unlikely that he didn't mean what he said. It would be
scandalous if he did, indeed.
I know that "hate" is evil, at least a passive evil. And I, personally,
really strive not to allow my deep hate for the American government and
its murderous policies be transformed from the static form to the
dynamic form.
However, others, who may even hate America more than I do, will not be
able to exercise as much self-control, as much suppression of their
grievances, and as much "wisdom." But Static hate is ultimately a frozen
rage, awaiting the moment of explosion.
I know hate can be blind and deadly. But, I also know that oppression,
as the Holy Qura'n clearly states, is worse than murder. Doesn't Islam's
holy Book declare that "wal-fitnatu Ashaddu minal-qatl?"
Hence, I try, even strive, to make my hate for America, as rational as
possible, as constructive as possible, even as human as possible. This
is not because America deserves to be treated humanely.
The exterminators of 1.5 million Iraqi children, for the purpose of
punishing one man, would never deserve to be treated well, or respected.
They are despicable mass murders of the Hitler's ilk.
I try to control my hate, because my goal is to live in love and peace,
not to hate and be hated by others.
My goal is to be free, free from Israel's US-sponsored and US-funded
oppression and occupation.
I want to be free from apartheid. What is wrong or objectionable about
wanting to be free from apartheid? I want to be free from suffering
which transcends reality.
I want to be free from a life of roadblocks, checkpoints, detention
camps, closed-military zones, "targeted killing," land-confiscation,
home-demolition, and, yes, daily massacres.
I also want to be free from hate, even hate for America. But I know too
well that I can't be free from the effect until I am free from the
cause, and the cause is America's greed, rapacity and hegemony.
All we want is to be left alone and allowed to live a normal life and
exercise our God-given rights and freedoms. like other human beings. Is
this asking for too much?
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