neil jenkins
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networked technology as a focal point for (live) creative discourse, production and events. online studio and host spaces for collaborative projects

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DISCUSSION

Re: The Unfortunate Consequence of the Anti-War Strategy


Hi Dyske,

I found your essay sad and somewhat depressing. I wonder why you
question the legitimacy of unity only before and during the war; the
disparate groups of individuals involved in the anti war campaign,
whatever their beliefs and drives, still represent a great number of
people who's voices were ignored by the bush and blair coalition.
Without these voices of dissent, the (far from unplanned) redevelopment
of Iraq under Bush's watchful eye would remain unquestioned. It is the
differing opinions of these voices that are now showing the cracks in
these plans and the diplomatic splits that will ensue. The simple fact
that no weapons of mass destruction have as yet been found throws the
whole 'legitimacy' of the war itself into question.

You dismiss the anti-war campaign as 'nothing but a PR stunt', but this
could equally be cited about the war machine itself and international
media coverage; the frenzy over whether it was legal or appropriate to
show american prisoners of war on Al-Jazirah demonstrated the hypocrisy
of some parts of the media who were perfectly happy to show images of
the al-Qaeda suspects imprisoned at the naval base in Guantanamo Bay.
There are plenty more examples of PR stunts and blunders, not least the
sight of American forces raising the stars+stripes over buildings in
Baghdad - it didn't look like liberation to me..

I have real problems with your statements that 'The war in Iraq is
over' and 'It appears that the loss of civilian life was kept small
enough for the world to accept it as reasonable'; the wounds inflicted
on the Iraqi people are deep and whilst their new found freedom is an
enormous step towards reform, it cannot justify the scale of the
Coalition bombing of Baghdad, Basra and the immense number of civilian
fatalities and injuries. It will also reveal the fractured society
which until recently was kept in line through state terror, and cannot
imagine that this is the end to the violence; i feel/fear the war is
far from over..

You say "My stance on the war was against unilateralism. I did not
particularly oppose the war itself. If the majority of the world wanted
to bomb Japan (my native country), I would not have any issues with
it." - I found this really frightening. Okay, it's a hypothetical
statement, but I have to question your use of the term 'majority of the
world'; how do we measure this 'majority' ? I don't think there is any
comparison possible here with the war on Iraq which was mounted by two
countries, against UN wishes.

I don't see the "scramble to disassociate ourselves from the rest of
the anti-war camp. We wanted unity for its impact, but now the same
impact is working against us." just as I can't see any negative effects
of the anti-war lobby; Again, the differences in opinions only serve to
question further why we are at war in the first place; raising all
relevant issues in the process. Our individual voices are all
important, and without a conduit for this we will all be ignored.

peace+respect

neil

On Monday, April 21, 2003, at 05:18 am, Dyske Suematsu wrote:

> Wrong by Association: The Unfortunate Consequence of the Anti-War
> Strategy
>
> My new essay on how the power of unity works as a double-edged sword:
>
> http://www.dyske.com/default.asp?view_idu0
>
> -Dyske
>
>
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DISCUSSION

the jukebox got stuck


+will someone kick the jukebox, keiko suzuki is still stuck on missy
elliot :)

DISCUSSION

Re: Mouchette?


would love to know what happened as well -
try as i might, i couldn't get into the web broadcast
was it archived anywhere ?

On Monday, April 21, 2003, at 05:10 pm, nicholas economos wrote:

> Ok, I went kite flying yesterday. I couldn't be in town but I am
> interested in knowing what happened at PostMasters yesterday. So, who
> staged Mouchette?
> thanks,
> nicholas
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DISCUSSION

Re: invitation to participate: your favorite four letter words


neil

:)

On Thursday, April 17, 2003, at 11:40 am, marc.garrett wrote:

> mine is 'marc'
>
>
>
>
>>
>> "Eryk" is my favorite four letter word.
>>
>> -e.
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "D. Jean Hester" <jenajunk@hotmail.com>
>> To: <list@rhizome.org>
>> Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2003 4:08 PM
>> Subject: RHIZOME_RAW: invitation to participate: your favorite four
>> letter
>> words
>>
>>
>>> Hey Rhizomers,
>>>
>>> I'd like to ask you to contribute/participate in my latest
>>> collaborative-participative-what-the-hell-is-it-ART-THANG. (FYI, I
>>> have
>>> included my bio at the end of this email.)
>>>
>>> It's SO EASY: send me a list of your favorite four letter words (as
> many
>> or
>>> as few as you want). Yeah, and remember, four letter doesn't have to
> mean
>>> f*ck, sh*t, d*mn, although those certainly are glorious four letter
> words.
>>> Hand, post, June, list, dive, chow, Oslo, poke are all perfectly
>> reasonable
>>> four letter words as well.
>>>
>>> The words will be used in a video installation planned for a
>>> music/video/art/dance-like-crazy-people event at the Hollywood
>>> Athletic
>> Club
>>> in Los Angeles for May 17. The words will be placed in a database,
>>> and
>>> reconfigured in odd random pairings based on an algorithm, along with
> odd
>>> random pairings of video footage.
>>>
>>> Thanks, and send those words in to jenajunk@hotmail.com! I need a
>>> lot
> of
>>> them...
>>>
>>> BIO: <warning: art jargon ahead>
>>> D. Jean Hester is a media artist living in Los Angeles, California,
> whose
>>> work combines programming, databases, film and video to create
> interactive
>>> pieces for both physical installations and online platforms. Hester
>> wishes
>>> to involve users as active, thinking, engaged
>>> participant-collaborators
> in
>>> the creation of art. Her work explores the nature of interactivity
>>> and
>>> audience/user participation, and what happens when a work is no
>>> longer a
>>> stand-alone authored environment with a tightly controlled
> author-defined
>>> outcome, but when the users themselves are contributing/collaborating
>>> through the use of interactivity (be it physical real-world
>>> performative
>>> actions or interaction with a database or some other program). In
>>> this
>>> scenario the artist's intention is only part of the puzzle - the art
> does
>>> not exist until it is engaged. Without a user as a contributor, it
>>> is
>> only
>>> a potentiality - not an actuality. Her work has been shown in
>>> numerous
>>> exhibits, festivals, and screenings in the United States, Canada, and
>>> Mexico, and can be seen online at www.divestudio.org.
>>>
>>> -- D. Jean Hester
>>> www.divestudio.org
>>> Interviewer: "Must an artist be a programmer to make truly original
> online
>>> art?"
>>> John Simon: "Truly original? You Modernist! Whether you make art or
>>> not,
>>> understanding programming is an amazing understanding."
>>> from "Code as Creative Writing: An Interview with John Simon"
>>>
>>>
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DISCUSSION

i wish


i wrote a wish on a tree in geneva back in 1999
and the demonstrations yesterday answered it
i'm still frightened, but i know I'm not alone

--

O Superman. O judge. O Mom and Dad. Mom and Dad.
O Superman. O judge. O Mom and Dad. Mom and Dad.
Hi. I'm not home right now. But if you want to leave a
message, just start talking at the sound of the tone.
Hello? This is your Mother. Are you there? Are you
coming home?
Hello? Is anybody home? Well, you don't know me,
but I know you.
And I've got a message to give to you.
Here come the planes.
So you better get ready. Ready to go. You can come
as you are, but pay as you go. Pay as you go.
And I said: OK. Who is this really? And the voice said:
This is the hand, the hand that takes. This is the
hand, the hand that takes.
This is the hand, the hand that takes.
Here come the planes.
They're American planes. Made in America.
Smoking or non-smoking?
And the voice said: Neither snow nor rain nor gloom
of night shall stay these couriers from the swift
completion of their appointed rounds.
'Cause when love is gone, there's always justice.
And when justive is gone, there's always force.
And when force is gone, there's always Mom. Hi Mom!
So hold me, Mom, in your long arms. So hold me,
Mom, in your long arms.
In your automatic arms. Your electronic arms.
In your arms.
So hold me, Mom, in your long arms.
Your petrochemical arms. Your military arms.
In your electronic arms.

Laurie Anderson