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BIO
Artists M. River and T. Whid formed MTAA in 1996 and soon after began to explore the internet, video, software and sculpture as mediums for their conceptually-based art. The duo’s exhibition history includes group shows and screenings at The New Museum of Contemporary Art, Postmasters Gallery and Artists Space, all in New York City, and at The Getty Research Institute in Los Angeles. In "New Media Art" (Taschen, 2006), authors Mark Tribe and Reena Jana describe MTAA’s "One Year Performance Video (aka samHsiehUpdate)" as “a deftly transparent demonstration of new media’s ability to manipulate our perceptions of time.” The collaboration has earned grants and awards from Creative Capital, Rhizome.org, Eyebeam, New Radio & Performing Arts, Inc. and The Whitney Museum of American Art.
TRACEPLACESPACE
New audio by Cary Peppermint, check it out…
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TRACEPLACESPACE
seven audio works .mp3 - Cary Peppermint 2007
The audio works of TRACEPLACESPACE were formed loosely in response to ever-accelerating technological developments, passing time, urgent ecological issues, and remarkable events of our globally connected system in process long before but brought to the forefront since the latter part of the year 2001. The works of TRACEPLACESPACE are components of a digital, multi-media, network-infused performance of the same title.
I like to perform this work in small community venues, outdoor gatherings, art-spaces, and galleries where everyone is welcome and can sit on the floor, talk to one another, and drink green tea. However I will perform TRACEPLACESPACE approximately anywhere.
Filming Outside the Cinema
I have to admit that I'd not given much thought to film outside the cinema, web film or live video, or anything like that, but I've spent lots of time here hanging out with Peter Horvath and I'm impressed.
Peter makes very beautiful films for the web, and you can check them all out online. Today he showed us The Presence of Absence, which was comissioned for the Whitney Museum's Artport in 2003, and then Tenderly Yours from 2005, which "resituates the personal, casual and ambiguous approach of French new wave cinema in a net art narrative that explores love, loss and memory. The story is recited by a striking and illustrious persona, who moves through the city with her lover. Her willful independence is intoxicating, though her sense of self is ambiguous..." Gorgeous.
Cut Piece - Yoko Ono
Cut Piece (2006, 36.5MB, 9 min)
“Ono had first done the performance in 1964, in Japan,
and again at Carnegie Hall, in New York, in 1965.
Ono sat motionless on the stage after inviting the audience
to come up and cut away her clothing, covering her breasts
at the moment of unbosoming.”
from Bedazzled .
Conglomco Media Network announces http://meta-cc.net live
Conglomco Media Network is pleased to announce the official beta release of the META[CC] video engine at http://meta-cc.net.
META[CC] seeks to create an open forum for real time discussion, commentary, and cross-refrencing of electronic news and televised media. By combining strategies employed in web-based discussion forums, blogs , tele-text subtitling, on-demand video streaming, and search engines, the open captioning format employed by META[CC] will allow users to gain multiple perspectives and resources engaging current events. The system is adaptable for use with any cable or broadcast television network.
We hope that you will take a moment from your viewing time to add the RSS feed of a blog you find noteworthy. As more information sources are supplied to META[CC], the more intelligent the system becomes. As such, the META[CC] search engine is apolitical and influenced only by the news and information sources supplied by its viewers/users. We apologize, but at this time podcasts and vlogs are not supported.
Many thanks for your interest and participation,
The META[CC] team
http://meta-cc.net
Open Call for Sound Works : WILD INFORMATION NETWORK
Cary Peppermint:
WILD INFORMATION NETWORK
The Department of Ecology, Art, and Technology
Open Call for Sound Works In Mp3 Format - Deadline April 1, 2006
http://www.restlessculture.net/deepwoods
If we encountered a pod-cast, or a streaming radio server in the woods, in the “natural
Re: soliciting thoughts on guidelines for rhizome raw
re: guidelines, top of head:
this would be a very tricky thing to implement, especially so soon
after the subscriber fee. (btw, howzit goin'? can rhizome admin share
any of the numbers?)
first, i'll make one suggestion regarding folks who can't afford the
fee. i think it would be great if rhizome could start a specific fund
that people could contribute to which could be used for folks that
can't afford the fee. i would put half my yearly donation into such a
fund. (of course there could be serious admin problems with this.
first i don't think anyone from the USA, Western Europe, or most of
Asia should be eligible. someone would have to judge the charity
cases, which may be a fairly large clerical task. and there is always
the argument that if someone has a computer and is interested in art
and connects to the internet they could prolly find the five bucks.)
as far as guidelines are concerned, i don't think any subject should
be banned. if we're talking about art and new media then almost any
subject could be of use to artists.
spam bombs should be banned all together. (they already are i suppose)
interventions should be acceptable. (this one is tricky, someone
could be very abusive and call it an 'art intervention')
people should be urged to be respectful when they have differences of
opinion. (i know, i know, i've broken that one myself)
constructive comments should be rewarded somehow.. whatever happened
to the karma system? maybe you could tie the karma system into the
fee? if one's a real asshole and gets bad karma his fee may be 500
bucks but if people enjoy one's posts and one gets good karma the
subscriber fee would be 50 cents?
if you could get the threaded posts working with karma on the web
site then some of the problems would go away as people who didn't
want to experience RAW could read the site where the trolls would be
modded off the page (theoretically).
if someone is serially abusive (covering days and weeks) and seems to
be dominating the discussion, tilting it to a very negative tone,
then the address should be banned. this is a subjective call, perhaps
you can put these questions to a vote.
there could be a system (perhaps simply an email address) to which
people could complain about serial abuse. there would be guidelines
on how to report the abuse; you must include posts to prove your
case. then a moderator would investigate the allegation and make a
decision or put it up to a vote. if someone repeatedly reports
someone who isn't abusive then the address of the person making false
reports is banned.
that's all i got for now.
>
>> hey all -- this post from t.whid is from two weeks
>> ago, originally stemming
>> from a discussion of artbase criterion. I am stuck
>> on it -- I wonder what
>> people think about having an acceptable use policy
>> for raw... broad
>> guidelines that protect an "inclusive"
>> environment... not sure what the
>> right frameworks or terms shoud be here. what do raw
>> folks think about this?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > At 1:25 -0500 1/15/03, Mark Tribe wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> > there is plenty of exclusiveness in the art world.
>> i have always
>> > tried to make rhizome an exception, to keep it
>> open. that's why we
>> > have not bowed to pressure to moderate raw. that's
>> why our
>> > commissioning program is based on a call for
>> proposals (most
>> > commissioning programs are invitational).
>> >
>>
>> t.whid replied:
>>
>>
>> > hey mark,
>> >
>> > moderation and inclusiveness are not antagonistic.
>> you may include
>> > anyone who plays fairly by agreed on rules. RAW
>> has no acceptable use
>> > policy, that's the problem. so anyone may use it
>> and abuse it (and
>> > it's members) however they wish. as long as you
>> keep this imo flawed
>> > policy RAW won't reach it's full potential.
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</twhid>
this would be a very tricky thing to implement, especially so soon
after the subscriber fee. (btw, howzit goin'? can rhizome admin share
any of the numbers?)
first, i'll make one suggestion regarding folks who can't afford the
fee. i think it would be great if rhizome could start a specific fund
that people could contribute to which could be used for folks that
can't afford the fee. i would put half my yearly donation into such a
fund. (of course there could be serious admin problems with this.
first i don't think anyone from the USA, Western Europe, or most of
Asia should be eligible. someone would have to judge the charity
cases, which may be a fairly large clerical task. and there is always
the argument that if someone has a computer and is interested in art
and connects to the internet they could prolly find the five bucks.)
as far as guidelines are concerned, i don't think any subject should
be banned. if we're talking about art and new media then almost any
subject could be of use to artists.
spam bombs should be banned all together. (they already are i suppose)
interventions should be acceptable. (this one is tricky, someone
could be very abusive and call it an 'art intervention')
people should be urged to be respectful when they have differences of
opinion. (i know, i know, i've broken that one myself)
constructive comments should be rewarded somehow.. whatever happened
to the karma system? maybe you could tie the karma system into the
fee? if one's a real asshole and gets bad karma his fee may be 500
bucks but if people enjoy one's posts and one gets good karma the
subscriber fee would be 50 cents?
if you could get the threaded posts working with karma on the web
site then some of the problems would go away as people who didn't
want to experience RAW could read the site where the trolls would be
modded off the page (theoretically).
if someone is serially abusive (covering days and weeks) and seems to
be dominating the discussion, tilting it to a very negative tone,
then the address should be banned. this is a subjective call, perhaps
you can put these questions to a vote.
there could be a system (perhaps simply an email address) to which
people could complain about serial abuse. there would be guidelines
on how to report the abuse; you must include posts to prove your
case. then a moderator would investigate the allegation and make a
decision or put it up to a vote. if someone repeatedly reports
someone who isn't abusive then the address of the person making false
reports is banned.
that's all i got for now.
>
>> hey all -- this post from t.whid is from two weeks
>> ago, originally stemming
>> from a discussion of artbase criterion. I am stuck
>> on it -- I wonder what
>> people think about having an acceptable use policy
>> for raw... broad
>> guidelines that protect an "inclusive"
>> environment... not sure what the
>> right frameworks or terms shoud be here. what do raw
>> folks think about this?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > At 1:25 -0500 1/15/03, Mark Tribe wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> > there is plenty of exclusiveness in the art world.
>> i have always
>> > tried to make rhizome an exception, to keep it
>> open. that's why we
>> > have not bowed to pressure to moderate raw. that's
>> why our
>> > commissioning program is based on a call for
>> proposals (most
>> > commissioning programs are invitational).
>> >
>>
>> t.whid replied:
>>
>>
>> > hey mark,
>> >
>> > moderation and inclusiveness are not antagonistic.
>> you may include
>> > anyone who plays fairly by agreed on rules. RAW
>> has no acceptable use
>> > policy, that's the problem. so anyone may use it
>> and abuse it (and
>> > it's members) however they wish. as long as you
>> keep this imo flawed
>> > policy RAW won't reach it's full potential.
--
<twhid>
http://www.mteww.com
</twhid>
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>
>I am trying to get a project together focusing on younger internet
>and new media artists.
>
>Are there any new media artists under the age of 25 on this list, or
>does anyone on this list know of any such artists? If you are, or
>know of anyone I should talk to, please email me at
>eryk@maine.rr.com [and hopefully relatively soon- I don't need a
>resume or anything, just an email saying hello, some contact
>information and that you are interested, maybe a link or a short
>introduction. If you just know someone you'd like to recommend to
>me, just send a link, thier name, and an email address if you have
>it handy.] If someone could forward this to rhizome and any other
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>
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>
>
>I am trying to get a project together focusing on younger internet
>and new media artists.
>
>Are there any new media artists under the age of 25 on this list, or
>does anyone on this list know of any such artists? If you are, or
>know of anyone I should talk to, please email me at
>eryk@maine.rr.com [and hopefully relatively soon- I don't need a
>resume or anything, just an email saying hello, some contact
>information and that you are interested, maybe a link or a short
>introduction. If you just know someone you'd like to recommend to
>me, just send a link, thier name, and an email address if you have
>it handy.] If someone could forward this to rhizome and any other
>interested lists, I would appreciate it.
>
>Thanks,
>-eryk salvaggio
>eryk@maine.rr.com
>
>
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Re: ---important---------RE: RHIZOME_RAW: Your role in stopping the war against Iraq
i was going to to stay out of this but there has been much discomfort
among the war protestors on the 'leadership' of the demonstrations.
see this: http://archive.salon.com/politics/feature/2002/10/16/protest/
i was at that rally described in the url above and the level of the
speakers was indeed ridiculous. most of the speakers looked like
saturday night live satires.
the organization 'international answer' (see this:
http://www.internationalanswer.org/) which snagged the permits for
all the demos in washington dc thus far wouldn't let the rabbi
michael lerner (founder of tikkun magazine http://www.tikkun.org)
speak at the latest dc rally as he doesn't fit the rest of their
agenda.
the biggest problem with the antiwar movement thus far has been the
dubious leaders and antiquated politics of some of the speakers.
>Vijay -I guess you've been going to the wrong
>demonstrations since the ones I 've been on have been
>fantastic multiracial, crossgenerational affairs full
>of people who know a good deal more about the history
>of the Gulf and British and American imperialism there
>than the cynical lies put out by our "leaders".
>best
>Michael
>--- Vijay Pattisapu <disco@junglist.com> wrote:
>> Dyske or people in his stance are not being smug.
>>
>> The anti-war demonstrations I've been attending have
>> been painful to be a part of. Idiotic potheads,
>> insecure charlatans, and just bored kids in general
>> were the kind of speakers and audience at each one.
>> We just stand there and listen to drivel even worse
>> than our politicians are putting out--nobody knows
>> what the fuck they're talking about, and it seems
>> that, subconsciously, because they already have a
>> conviction, they don't care to know more, or, God
>> forbid, listen to the other side's arguments.
>>
>> They hear that loaded ***word*** "WAR" and lift up
>> their posterboards.
>>
>> The on-campus debates here have been worthless, to
>> say the least. Neither side has any kind of
>> knowledge of the situation at hand, historical
>> knowledge of the situation, patience for clear
>> cohesive thought, or even respect enough for the
>> other side to speak. The campuswide debate resulted
>> in nothing more than a handful of fistfights. Those
>> 500,000 don't get anything out of us American idiots
>> kicking the shit out of each other, do they?
>>
>> The protesters that I have seen have done nothing
>> but empty out another word-- "DEMONSTRATION." I saw
>> nothing but a demonstration of incompetence and
>> teenage rebellion.
>>
>> Now I am just another one of those bored kids who
>> goes to these charades. Because I have nothing else
>> to do.
>>
>> Please, everyone, give Dyske the respect enough to
>> analyze his arguments enough to give due response
>> towards something constructive, as he has touched
>> upon important issues that us bored kids have not
>> been able to articulate.
>>
>>
>> The worst thing you can do to a movement is assume
>> that everyone onboard is in for the right reasons.
>>
>>
>> -Vijay
>>
>>
>> >Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 15:22:14 -0800 (PST)
>> > Michael Szpakowski <szpako@yahoo.com> RE:
>> RHIZOME_RAW: Your role in stopping the war against
>> IraqReply-To: Michael Szpakowski <szpako@yahoo.com>
>> >
>> >
>> ><Let me clarify my position on the war before I go
>> on
>> > (in order to avoid any
>> > confusions). I'm neither for nor against it. I
>> > understand both sides of the
>> > arguments and they both make sense to me,>
>> >well! you clarified your postion, we've avoided any
>> >confusion - great - that must be a relief to the
>> >parents of the 500,000 kids that have died because
>> of
>> >sanctions, and the thousands of young soldiers who
>> >will die, or to those who will fall under the
>> category
>> >of 'collateral damage'.
>> > What your apparently sophisticated arguments hide
>> is
>> >a contempt for any sort of real engagement with
>> life ,
>> >which inevitably means taking moral postions and
>> which
>> >inevitably means trying to establish the truth of
>> >things which you dismiss so loftily.
>> >You know - rather Wally Keeler, who at least is
>> >passionate and cares, than your smug abstentionism.
>> >
>> >=====
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among the war protestors on the 'leadership' of the demonstrations.
see this: http://archive.salon.com/politics/feature/2002/10/16/protest/
i was at that rally described in the url above and the level of the
speakers was indeed ridiculous. most of the speakers looked like
saturday night live satires.
the organization 'international answer' (see this:
http://www.internationalanswer.org/) which snagged the permits for
all the demos in washington dc thus far wouldn't let the rabbi
michael lerner (founder of tikkun magazine http://www.tikkun.org)
speak at the latest dc rally as he doesn't fit the rest of their
agenda.
the biggest problem with the antiwar movement thus far has been the
dubious leaders and antiquated politics of some of the speakers.
>Vijay -I guess you've been going to the wrong
>demonstrations since the ones I 've been on have been
>fantastic multiracial, crossgenerational affairs full
>of people who know a good deal more about the history
>of the Gulf and British and American imperialism there
>than the cynical lies put out by our "leaders".
>best
>Michael
>--- Vijay Pattisapu <disco@junglist.com> wrote:
>> Dyske or people in his stance are not being smug.
>>
>> The anti-war demonstrations I've been attending have
>> been painful to be a part of. Idiotic potheads,
>> insecure charlatans, and just bored kids in general
>> were the kind of speakers and audience at each one.
>> We just stand there and listen to drivel even worse
>> than our politicians are putting out--nobody knows
>> what the fuck they're talking about, and it seems
>> that, subconsciously, because they already have a
>> conviction, they don't care to know more, or, God
>> forbid, listen to the other side's arguments.
>>
>> They hear that loaded ***word*** "WAR" and lift up
>> their posterboards.
>>
>> The on-campus debates here have been worthless, to
>> say the least. Neither side has any kind of
>> knowledge of the situation at hand, historical
>> knowledge of the situation, patience for clear
>> cohesive thought, or even respect enough for the
>> other side to speak. The campuswide debate resulted
>> in nothing more than a handful of fistfights. Those
>> 500,000 don't get anything out of us American idiots
>> kicking the shit out of each other, do they?
>>
>> The protesters that I have seen have done nothing
>> but empty out another word-- "DEMONSTRATION." I saw
>> nothing but a demonstration of incompetence and
>> teenage rebellion.
>>
>> Now I am just another one of those bored kids who
>> goes to these charades. Because I have nothing else
>> to do.
>>
>> Please, everyone, give Dyske the respect enough to
>> analyze his arguments enough to give due response
>> towards something constructive, as he has touched
>> upon important issues that us bored kids have not
>> been able to articulate.
>>
>>
>> The worst thing you can do to a movement is assume
>> that everyone onboard is in for the right reasons.
>>
>>
>> -Vijay
>>
>>
>> >Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 15:22:14 -0800 (PST)
>> > Michael Szpakowski <szpako@yahoo.com> RE:
>> RHIZOME_RAW: Your role in stopping the war against
>> IraqReply-To: Michael Szpakowski <szpako@yahoo.com>
>> >
>> >
>> ><Let me clarify my position on the war before I go
>> on
>> > (in order to avoid any
>> > confusions). I'm neither for nor against it. I
>> > understand both sides of the
>> > arguments and they both make sense to me,>
>> >well! you clarified your postion, we've avoided any
>> >confusion - great - that must be a relief to the
>> >parents of the 500,000 kids that have died because
>> of
>> >sanctions, and the thousands of young soldiers who
>> >will die, or to those who will fall under the
>> category
>> >of 'collateral damage'.
>> > What your apparently sophisticated arguments hide
>> is
>> >a contempt for any sort of real engagement with
>> life ,
>> >which inevitably means taking moral postions and
>> which
>> >inevitably means trying to establish the truth of
>> >things which you dismiss so loftily.
>> >You know - rather Wally Keeler, who at least is
>> >passionate and cares, than your smug abstentionism.
>> >
>> >=====
>> >http://www.somedancersandmusicians.com/
>> >
>> >__________________________________________________
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Fwd: <nettime> Free accessable copy Rhizome's Artbase now online
interesting...
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Re: [thingist] don't deny me -- you'll be sorry
At 9:06 -0800 1/28/03, { brad brace } wrote:
>Isn't it ridiculous how artists continue to reinvent their
>institutional misery and abuse?
>
>/:b
brad,
you have yet to make a decent argument for whatever your alternative
system may be.
perhaps you should lead by example. you aren't starting any
grassroots networks to support artists. you simply use the net as a
delivery system for your old media photographs.
you carp on the slavery of the institution but offer no alternatives
or even anecdotes of how much nicer it may be to live without our
chains. how does it work?
i'm not saying that rhizome or the thing or sfmoma or any other
institution is nirvana for artists, but you offer no alternative
except: use the network. ok, now millions of people have the ability
to see my work. but, unfortunately, 98% of those people hate
contemporary art and could give a damn.
rhizome has helped me quite a bit over my short career by giving me
access to a network of people are interested in contemporary arts,
inviting me to speak in public forums of interested people (and
paying), introducing me to a community of individuals who have helped
me technically, aesthetically, and intellectually in growing my work.
how has rhizome lead to your misery? how have they abused you?
i'm sure you are against the idea of a professional artist. you
probably subscribe to the notion that artists should function as they
do in small-scale societies: hobbyists. i reject that idea totally.
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>Isn't it ridiculous how artists continue to reinvent their
>institutional misery and abuse?
>
>/:b
brad,
you have yet to make a decent argument for whatever your alternative
system may be.
perhaps you should lead by example. you aren't starting any
grassroots networks to support artists. you simply use the net as a
delivery system for your old media photographs.
you carp on the slavery of the institution but offer no alternatives
or even anecdotes of how much nicer it may be to live without our
chains. how does it work?
i'm not saying that rhizome or the thing or sfmoma or any other
institution is nirvana for artists, but you offer no alternative
except: use the network. ok, now millions of people have the ability
to see my work. but, unfortunately, 98% of those people hate
contemporary art and could give a damn.
rhizome has helped me quite a bit over my short career by giving me
access to a network of people are interested in contemporary arts,
inviting me to speak in public forums of interested people (and
paying), introducing me to a community of individuals who have helped
me technically, aesthetically, and intellectually in growing my work.
how has rhizome lead to your misery? how have they abused you?
i'm sure you are against the idea of a professional artist. you
probably subscribe to the notion that artists should function as they
do in small-scale societies: hobbyists. i reject that idea totally.
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