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ARTBASE (7)

1 year performance video (aka samHsiehUpdate)
onKawaraUpdate (v2)
Simple Net Art Diagram
TIME!
To Be Listened To…
vieweratstar67@yahoo.com (the 3mb annexation)
Website Unseen
PORTFOLIO (3)

Five Small Videos About Interruption Or Disappearing
Rhizome Reception [part 1]
whereas T.Whid wonders about art in relation to 2bl2
BIO

Artists M. River and T. Whid formed MTAA in 1996 and soon after began to explore the internet, video, software and sculpture as mediums for their conceptually-based art. The duo’s exhibition history includes group shows and screenings at The New Museum of Contemporary Art, Postmasters Gallery and Artists Space, all in New York City, and at The Getty Research Institute in Los Angeles. In "New Media Art" (Taschen, 2006), authors Mark Tribe and Reena Jana describe MTAA’s "One Year Performance Video (aka samHsiehUpdate)" as “a deftly transparent demonstration of new media’s ability to manipulate our perceptions of time.” The collaboration has earned grants and awards from Creative Capital, Rhizome.org, Eyebeam, New Radio & Performing Arts, Inc. and The Whitney Museum of American Art.
BLOG POSTS

Published on Tue Apr 17, 2007

## TRACEPLACESPACE

New audio by Cary Peppermint, check it out…
+++
TRACEPLACESPACE
seven audio works .mp3 - Cary Peppermint 2007

The audio works of TRACEPLACESPACE were formed loosely in response to ever-accelerating technological developments, passing time, urgent ecological issues, and remarkable events of our globally connected system in process long before but brought to the forefront since the latter part of the year 2001. The works of TRACEPLACESPACE are components of a digital, multi-media, network-infused performance of the same title.
I like to perform this work in small community venues, outdoor gatherings, art-spaces, and galleries where everyone is welcome and can sit on the floor, talk to one another, and drink green tea. However I will perform TRACEPLACESPACE approximately anywhere.

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Published on Fri Aug 18, 2006

## Filming Outside the Cinema

I have to admit that I'd not given much thought to film outside the cinema, web film or live video, or anything like that, but I've spent lots of time here hanging out with Peter Horvath and I'm impressed.
Peter makes very beautiful films for the web, and you can check them all out online. Today he showed us The Presence of Absence, which was comissioned for the Whitney Museum's Artport in 2003, and then Tenderly Yours from 2005, which "resituates the personal, casual and ambiguous approach of French new wave cinema in a net art narrative that explores love, loss and memory. The story is recited by a striking and illustrious persona, who moves through the city with her lover. Her willful independence is intoxicating, though her sense of self is ambiguous..." Gorgeous.

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Published on Sun Jun 04, 2006

## Cut Piece - Yoko Ono

Cut Piece (2006, 36.5MB, 9 min)

“Ono had first done the performance in 1964, in Japan,
and again at Carnegie Hall, in New York, in 1965.
Ono sat motionless on the stage after inviting the audience
to come up and cut away her clothing, covering her breasts
at the moment of unbosoming.”
from Bedazzled .

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Published on Sun Jun 04, 2006

## Conglomco Media Network announces http://meta-cc.net live

Conglomco Media Network is pleased to announce the official beta release of the META[CC] video engine at http://meta-cc.net.

META[CC] seeks to create an open forum for real time discussion, commentary, and cross-refrencing of electronic news and televised media. By combining strategies employed in web-based discussion forums, blogs , tele-text subtitling, on-demand video streaming, and search engines, the open captioning format employed by META[CC] will allow users to gain multiple perspectives and resources engaging current events. The system is adaptable for use with any cable or broadcast television network.

We hope that you will take a moment from your viewing time to add the RSS feed of a blog you find noteworthy. As more information sources are supplied to META[CC], the more intelligent the system becomes. As such, the META[CC] search engine is apolitical and influenced only by the news and information sources supplied by its viewers/users. We apologize, but at this time podcasts and vlogs are not supported.

Many thanks for your interest and participation,
The META[CC] team
http://meta-cc.net

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Published on Thu Jan 26, 2006

## Open Call for Sound Works : WILD INFORMATION NETWORK

Cary Peppermint:

WILD INFORMATION NETWORK
The Department of Ecology, Art, and Technology
Open Call for Sound Works In Mp3 Format - Deadline April 1, 2006

http://www.restlessculture.net/deepwoods

If we encountered a pod-cast, or a streaming radio server in the woods, in the “natural

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RHIZOME ACTIVITIES

Discussions (875) Opportunities (2) Events (9) Jobs (1)
DISCUSSION
Posted on Wed Jul 02, 2003

## best work with Flash? [ following curt ]

twhid wrote:
I agree with most of what Curt writes here and I'm going to add-to or
disagree with small parts of it.
more below:
At 13:17 -0400 7/2/03, Curt Cloninger wrote:
>So far in this thread, Mr. Lichty seems the most perspicacious. I'm
>always amazed at the sort of patronizing,
>look-what-the-cat-dragged-in reaction that net artists have toward
>Flash. The tenor of the dialogue usually runs like, "Could this be
>art? Do you think so? Really? No! Could it be?"
++
twhid wrote:
In discussions on RAW, maybe. But one of the most talked about and
exhibited pieces of net art is Galloway's Carnivore and among the
Carnivore clients there are many Flash and Director-based pieces. I
would say there is a general acceptance of all networked and
web-based mediums here. Except for Eryk and his 6 rules of course but
he's explained his position on this numerous times and it seems like
a valid place to be coming from to me.
>
>Miltos Manetas forms the Electronic Orphanage around something as
>inconsequential as "works done in flash," and it's greeted as a
>novel movement. Even Lev Manovich gets all happy writing a piece
>about Flash paradigmatics.
++
twhid wrote:
Miltos frames his discussions so that traditional curators may be
brought into web art, he's not that interested in the net art core
which makes up Rhiz IMO.
>
>The implicit assumption that a Java applet is a more legitimate net
>art medium than an .swf file struck me as bizarre the first time I
>heard it, and it still seeems very parochial to me. One may just as
>fruitfully have begun this thread by asking, "what is the best work
>on the Web done in Java?" Pieces by golan levin, casey reas, martin
>wattenberg, and bradford paley come immediately to mind; and then
>I'd be hard-pressed to come up with more. For a NET artist, the
>question is not what the Java programming language will let you do
>in terms of creating stand-alone apps, the question is what will it
>let you do on the net? Particularly on the mac, java BROWSER
>support/implementation is much slower, glitchier, and kludgier than
>Flash plug-in support/implementation.
++
twhid wrote:
I agree with this, partly. Flash was invented for animators,
designers, etc: visual people. One would think that it would lend
itself to visual artists on the net as well. So I find the arg
strange too. But just as Java is aimed at the software INDUSTRY so
that artists need to bend over backwards to get it to work for their
ends, so Flash is aimed at the culture INDUSTRY. It's meant to create
advertisements, web sites, and (recently) 'rich media applications'.
It's tools are meant to create *slick* work. An artist sometimes
needs to bend over backwards to avoid the sheen of the Flash
aesthetic.
One thing that is misleading in the above, as of Mac OSX 10.2 and
Windows XP Java support is much better on the Mac than on Windows.
<snip>
>
>It's facile to say, "I don't like Flash art," or "I do like Flash
>art." Just like it's facile to say, "I don't like internet art," or
>"I do like internet art." Flash has its constraints, as the
>internet has its constraints, as watercolors have their constraints;
>but these constraints still allow a fairly wide berth for stylistic
>approaches and content choices.
++
twhid wrote:
I don't think you can argue with this point (culture critics could
argue i suppose, but we're artists here mostly). Those damn
watercolor paintings! they don't move and their refresh rate is
abysmal! So yeah, every medium has it's constraints. Comparing Java
to Flash is like telling someone who specializes in pencil drawings
that they should use watercolor because it has *color* and her medium
is black and white so it's obviously inferior.
What one chooses to do within the constraints of the medium chosen
for a particular piece is how we tell the good from the bad.
>
>Likewise, it's parochial to say "all Flash art looks the same."
>It's like your grandfather saying, "all that rock & roll noise
>sounds the same!" There are subtle differences within the genre of
>rock & roll that your grandfather either can't discern or doesn't
>value. I should also point out that there is an entire culture of
>Flash-prodigy experimental web designers that visit Rhizome and say,
>"all that net art crap looks the same." But our ideas of
>"legitimate" net art are more "right" than their ideas because...?
>Because Duchamp [mis-]signed a urinal 80 years ago, our predecessors
>agreed that his doing so mattered, and we assented?
++
twhid wrote:
now this is where i will really disagree. the visual has been in the
mainstream of art since at least the 80s. but you'll find more
conceptual art in net art, i agree. why is this? it's because it
suits the medium. the original conceptual artists thought of their
work as *information art*. they reduced their practice down to simply
passing information from artist to viewer and it was a very radical
notion for the time. Passing information between computers is the
essence of the 'Net. no wonder artists use conceptual strategies via
the net.
Artists who are interested primarily in visual aesthetics will find
the constraints of the web unbearable. A computer screen's resolution
is minuscule compared to the infinite resolution of oil paint, or
bronze, or paper, or pencils, or watercolor, etc. If visual
aesthetics are your primary concern, you would be best served by a
medium other than the computer screen. If your primary concern is
passing information to individuals, then the web makes perfect sense.
--
<twhid>
http://www.mteww.com
</twhid>

DISCUSSION
Posted on Sat Jun 28, 2003

## is google god?

interesting take on tech from the well-known NYTime's foreign affairs
dude:
from the column:
'Says Alan Cohen, a V.P. of Airespace, a new Wi-Fi provider: "If I can
operate Google, I can find anything. And with wireless, it means I will
be able to find anything, anywhere, anytime. Which is why I say that
Google, combined with Wi-Fi, is a little bit like God. God is wireless,
God is everywhere and God sees and knows everything. Throughout
history, people connected to God without wires. Now, for many questions
in the world, you ask Google, and increasingly, you can do it without
wires, too."'
overblown hyperbole?
http://nytimes.com/2003/06/29/opinion/29FRIE.html
--
<t.whid>
www.mteww.com
</t.whid>

DISCUSSION
Posted on Thu Jun 19, 2003

## "Everyone loves a mindless mob!"

E-Mail Mob Takes Manhattan
http://www.wired.com/news/culture/0,1284,59297,00.html
from the article:
"The crowd of people was participating in the Mob Project, an
e-mail-driven experiment in organizing groups of people who suddenly
materialize in public places, interact with others according to a
loose script and then dissipate just as suddenly as they appeared. "
and:
"It's hardly even an idea at all: a mob, for no reason. That's it."
guerrilla theater meets smart mobs meets the absurd. brilliant.
--
<twhid>
http://www.mteww.com
</twhid>

DISCUSSION
Posted on Sun Jun 15, 2003

## Website Unseen announcement

Regarding the Website Unseen
(http://www.mteww.com/websiteunseen/list100.html) opportunity announced
here and elsewhere back in May (for reference:
http://www.mteww.com/cgi/mtaa-rr.pl/twhid/wu_2003.html)
We're pleased to announce that Patrick Lichty will be the proud owner
of "Website Unseen #9. Images From Our Better Days In Hell (30 sec.
loop)"
Thanks to everyone who submitted an offer.
We'll be launching this website unseen on August 16, 2003.
--
<t.whid>
www.mteww.com
</t.whid>

DISCUSSION
Posted on Sun Jun 15, 2003

## Re: FW: <hopper-ex> Re: IE for the Mac no longer under development

chopping out some of quoft (quoted kruft), comments below:
On Sunday, June 15, 2003, at 03:43 PM, Jim Andrews wrote:
>>
>>
>> LOL, cooperation between Apple and Microsoft. The last time there was
>> cooperation between Apple and Microsoft, Apple took home $150 mil in
>> exchange for Apple bundling IE on every Mac sold (farewell NS...NS/AOL
>> doesn't count).
>
> I still have ns 4.78 on my pc. Because there is some work I like I
> need this browser to view,
> and also to test my work in it, as I do with NS 7.02 and IE 6.
>
>> Mac users have been saddled with a fairly standards
>> compliant, yet feature poor, slow rendering, and buggy browsing
>> experience ever since. IE Javascript and Java integration (not
>> invented at M$) seem to be purposefully hobbled in the Mac version.
>
> "purposefully hobbled"...give your head a shake. it's because the
> person dev-hours that go into
> Mac products produced on the level of a browser engineering project do
> not match the person
> dev-hours that go into a project that has 97% of the market. it is not
> economically feasible to
> put the same number of resources on each project. that is why the Mac
> has been inferior in its
> browsers.
that was his point. the code was there in Windows IE, why not port it
over? luckily we've had Mozilla so OSX has had plenty of good browsers.
IE has been the crappiest browser on OSX since OSX was released, most
of those in the know were using Camino (formerly Chimera) up until
Safari came out.
>
>> Meanwhile lazy web designers cater to M$ specific "features" that lock
>> out alternative platforms.......(gotta stop, now)
>
> who you calling lazy, jack? there are interesting DHTML features in IE
> for the PC that simply
> are not supported via, we might as meaningfully state, the lazy Mac
> developers of IE. It makes
> the same insipid lack of sense. fact is the platforms differ
> substantially in their DHTML
> support and not many of us have the opportunity to test on both
> platforms. so that even
> relatively simple commands like window.open have subtle differences in
> how they react to
> parameters and even the sizes of the openable windows. never mind
> esoteric methods such as
> innerHTML. i go where my imagination leads me, mainly. i have no
> devotion to standards in art
> or technology. art is invisible; slips past the borders.
>
>> I don't think that what Apple is doing with Safari can be compared to
>> what M$ wants to do via "browser/OS integration." In terms of it's
>> relationship to the OS, Safari is little more than a replacement for
>> the subpar M$ Mac IE implementation. Apple is saying, "Ok M$, if you
>> aren't going to provide us with a suitable browser, we'll make one
>> ourselves!"
>
> Alternatively, they perhaps both realize that the 'next step' for the
> Mac browser is
> OS-integration that MS is not positioned to accomplish for Apple. Once
> the browser becomes *not*
> a standalone installation but something *meaningfully and usefully*
> part of the OS install, you
> can see the dev initiative falls more to the core OS programmers than
> third party developers
> such as msft'ers.
>
yes but at the same time that Apple is aggressively developing it's own
standalone browser, MS is saying that they are killing ALL standalone
versions of IE! as i've repeated over and over, only the HTML-rendering
and Javascript engines will be integrated into Mac OSX, the Safari
browser is still STANDALONE! this is the *opposite* of what MS is doing
on Windows (tho it seems similar). Hope you got the hundreds of bucks
it'll take you to upgrade to Longhorn (and the hardware to run it)
because that's the only way you will EVER get meaningful new browser
tech on Windows. not to mention waiting until 2005 to get it.
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<t.whid>
www.mteww.com
</t.whid>

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