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Re: Re: [webartery] motion picture


HI Alan
its different every time. If you keep starting it
you'll also notice from its little "progress bar"
thing it goes at a different pace ( ie different
length) each time.
The actual content also is different ( admittedly, at
that pace & level of abstraction it's not that easy to
see!)
best
michael

--- Alan Sondheim <sondheim@panix.com> wrote:

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>
> Please explain generative movie?
>
> Thanks, Alan
>
> On Thu, 29 Sep 2005, Michael Szpakowski wrote:
>
> > 9Kb of generative movie:
> >
> >
>
http://www.somedancersandmusicians.com/motion_picture/index.html
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> > best
> > michael
> >
> > http://www.somedancersandmusicians.com/
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> > 'Everything is connected.' - V.I.Lenin
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> > '..and always let your unconscious be your guide.'
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motion picture


9Kb of generative movie:

http://www.somedancersandmusicians.com/motion_picture/index.html

best
michael

http://www.somedancersandmusicians.com/

'Everything is connected.' - V.I.Lenin

'..and always let your unconscious be your guide.' - J.Cricket

'Repetition, it's so fantastic, so anti-glop'- attrib. Lou Reed

DISCUSSION

Re: Re: Re: im_mobile


I'm a fan of your work Jess as you know ( and I've
enjoyed the other pieces I've seen in this series; got
a bollocking here from T Whid in fact for enthusing
about "lapdance"). It's such a fine point I'm not sure
how worth pushing it is - I suppose rather than just
burbling about how great the piece was I wanted to
state some honest reservations.
Having said that I can't *resist* one rejoinder & that
is that the Prelinger archive stuff invariably
involves me working on the material to transform it.
For me the parallel here is with the visuals in your
piece ( I think you said some of it was harvested from
the web)
The Bowie just sits there, nothing is done to it,
*although* I accept and am thinking about Curt's point
( which I think you are making as well) about the
visuals *illuminating* the sound, a kind of
commentary..(thinks).. OK ... I'm coming round to it
procedurally; back to *taste* on the actual work of
Bowie , or marmite; now *that* I do so love.
warmest wishes
michael

--- Jess Loseby <jess@rssgallery.com> wrote:

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Hi Michael,

I think bowie is a bit like marmite (either love it or
hate it) - I don't think anyone is shouting "how dare
you not like marmite...

DISCUSSION

Re: Re: Re: im_mobile


Hi Curt
fair enough - I guess we just have different tastes
here, & again I entirely take Jess's point about what
she is attempting with this series
It just feels to me like I'm being shouted at ( and I
don't care at all for Bowie which doesn't help.)
I used to teach theatre & the first assignment I used
to give students was to write & stage fully a short
autobiographical monologue, the idea being to get them
thinking practically straight away about the different
components of performance -speech, gesture, light,
design, music, sound &c.
The thing that used to really stand out was how many
students used popular music as a shortcut to semaphore
their emotional state - bunging this or that track on
& quite often doing little else.
Of course I'm not suggesting that Jess is doing
anything at all like this, just that she is not
trusting what is, in my view ( & I know you differ),
the interesting thing about this piece,her treatment
of the visuals; small, delicate,subtle.
I'm not being snotty about popular music -there's much
of it, as you know, that I love - sometimes though
it's use in pieces like this feels to me like a sort
of category error.
best
michael

--- curt cloninger <curt@lab404.com> wrote:

> Hi Michael (and Jess),
>
> I like the music a lot and wouldn't have enjoyed the
> piece nearly as much without it. I think that song
> is very strong in and of itself, and I do agree that
> it is not background music for the visuals. If
> anything, the visuals are a sort of background
> meditation or visual commentary on the music. The
> piece foregrounds the song, treating it as something
> important, something worthy of serious
> consideration, contemplation, and dialogue. In so
> doing, it recontextualizes the song from yet another
> Bowie space song and it forces us to take this
> paraticular one seriously. The song is actually
> very profound, epic, and sweeping (about death via
> detatchment). All that import is already resident
> in the song (masked by pop music connotations).
> This piece just brings it out and makes us chew on
> it.
>
> The piece makes me thing of Roeg's "The Man Who Fell
> to Earth" because both juxtapose cosmic themes with
> earthly normalcy. The Man Who Fell to Earth is
> ostensibly sci-fi, but it's got cowboy music,
> flashbacks to 1800s settlers, and a lot of normal
> mid-1970s settings. Bowie's car is a classic
> pimpmobile. Here's a favorite quote from the film
> which seems applicable to Jess's piece:
>
> "The strange thing about television is that it
> doesn't tell you everything. You see everything
> about life on earth and yet the true mysteries
> remain. Perhaps that's in the nature of television,
> just waves in space."
>
> curt
>
>
>
> Michael Szpakowski wrote:
>
> > Hi Jess
> >
> > <stand up on their own without the music
> > (although its nice of you to suggest it does:)>
> >
> > well...I *do* absolutely think it does.. I suppose
> I'm
> > just cautious ( and I take everything you say
> about
> > the purpose of the series) of the visceral power
> of
> > loud popular music ( which don't get me wrong, I
> like
> > in many contexts) rather overwhelming what seems
> to me
> > quite a delicate and intricate sensibility and
> piece
> > of work. I suppose I've just spent lots of time
> > recently thinking about & becoming more and more
> > gripped by linear, non interactive, non generative
> > sequences of images & moved and absorbed by the
> > smallest detail in these - the music feels like
> it's
> > competing for my attention in a rather unfair
> contest.
> > <I have also seen a lot of
> > your short movies in a group recently too.>
> > thanks for looking!
> > < talks about micro-
> > narratives? is that what you are moving
> towards...?>
> > I honestly don't have a plan -perhaps this is a
> > weakness - I get up in the morning and if I have
> time
> > and an idea I make a short movie, rather like
> making
> > an entry in a diary - at the moment I'm doing
> stuff
> > with found footage & -loosely- "remakes" but I'm
> not
> > interested in plowing a furrow except the bare
> fact of
> > continuing to make the sequence; content wise I
> try
> > just to do something *I'd* like to watch..
> > best
> > michael
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Re: im_mobile


Hi Jess

<stand up on their own without the music
(although its nice of you to suggest it does:)>

well...I *do* absolutely think it does.. I suppose I'm
just cautious ( and I take everything you say about
the purpose of the series) of the visceral power of
loud popular music ( which don't get me wrong, I like
in many contexts) rather overwhelming what seems to me
quite a delicate and intricate sensibility and piece
of work. I suppose I've just spent lots of time
recently thinking about & becoming more and more
gripped by linear, non interactive, non generative
sequences of images & moved and absorbed by the
smallest detail in these - the music feels like it's
competing for my attention in a rather unfair contest.
<I have also seen a lot of
your short movies in a group recently too.>
thanks for looking!
< talks about micro-
narratives? is that what you are moving towards...?>
I honestly don't have a plan -perhaps this is a
weakness - I get up in the morning and if I have time
and an idea I make a short movie, rather like making
an entry in a diary - at the moment I'm doing stuff
with found footage & -loosely- "remakes" but I'm not
interested in plowing a furrow except the bare fact of
continuing to make the sequence; content wise I try
just to do something *I'd* like to watch..
best
michael

--- Jess Loseby <jess@rssgallery.com> wrote:

> Hi Michael,
>
> Tryng to be back slowly, cheers:)
>
> Re the music - the trouble with using any music
> generally is it is bound not to be of
> everyones taste but the "without permission" series
> (that this work is from) is
> deliberately mixed to specific "popular" music.
> Without it you would only get half the
> story. In this one the story might be the
> disorientation between domestic and the "space
> boy". Who or what the space boy is up for grabs:)
>
> I always call these ones mixes rather that
> artworks because they aren't really supposed
> to stand up on their own without the music
> (although its nice of you to suggest it does:)
>
> Trying to catch up with nine months of threads on
> these lists, I have also seen a lot of
> your short movies in a group recently too. I notice
> with interest how your "moment
> stories" are developing into much sharper moments
> than the narrative/allegories that I
> would suggest that they previously had. Is it David
> Crawford that talks about mirco-
> narratives? is that what you are moving towards...?
>
> Jess.
>
>
>
>
> > Nice to have you back Jess!
> .One question though - does
> > it need the music? I think it holds up without...(
> and
> > personally I find the music, unlike the work
> itself,
> > somewhat banal)
> > warmest wishes
> > michael
> >
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