Michael Szpakowski
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Re: I promise...PS


I was thinking about it some more and it occurs to me
there's a deeply *romantic* strain in the recent work
of MTAA - in the endnode piece we had the symbolic
object from nature par excellence, the tree shedding
its leaves, here inscribed with the scribblings, the
jottings, of human beings made both disposable and
pathetic (like shed leaves) but also paradoxically
enobled by that metaphor; in the new piece we have the
natural force of the heat and the fragility of human
beings under it. Both pieces, moreover, have a kind of
deep yearning associated with distance, communication
and paradox.
There's also a sense of "aura" about the concrete
objects associated with the pieces - the postcard is,
as I observed before, carefully and attractively made
and draws the eye repeatedly back to it and although
I didn't get to see the printer tree in the wood as it
were, the photos of its construction and installation
had both a quality of robustness and pathos to them.
michael

< There's a great, almost "koan" like, quality to the
thing which sets up all sorts of interesting
reverberations in the mind, plus the postcard (and
presumably the artwork) evidence a great deal of
care
and attention (craft) which reinforce the
aforementioned resonances.
The piece leaves a real and lasting dent in the
mind,
not only intellectually but affectively also.>

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Re: I promise...


I love lists and it's a great list.
Some of it I really agree with and some not, but I
feel that way about Eryk's counter list too.
What occured to me after reading Eryk's account of the
faiure of his 'conceptual' application is that maybe
there is a real cultural gap here between the UK and
the US -I suspect that the conceptual is not only not
a disadvantage here but that it's difficult to be
taken at all seriously without a nod in its direction,
given the hegemony of the YBAs, Saatchi and Serota.
On another note I got my MTAA postcard yesterday and I
think it's a really good piece.
There's a great, almost "koan" like, quality to the
thing which sets up all sorts of interesting
reverberations in the mind, plus the postcard (and
presumably the artwork) evidence a great deal of care
and attention (craft) which reinforce the
aforementioned resonances.
The piece leaves a real and lasting dent in the mind,
not only intellectually but affectively also.
best
michael

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Re: Cliche-Clash


I'm not sure how this piece illuminates anything.
To be sure Berlusconi is a right wing coporate boot
boy
but a fascist in the technical sense of the term?
(and precision *does* matter here). No.
Schroeder is a right wing social democrat and clearly
not a friend of the working class ( although he does
have the merit of having infuriated Bush )
but people like Schroeder were packed off to
concentration camps almost immediately after Hitler's
accession to power.
I'm not normally a proponent of the political
deconstruction of pieces but this seems to me to be a
piece of political work or nothing and its politics
are vague and confusing.
Fascism *is* unfortunately a threat once more and we
can't afford to be complacent but neither can we
afford to muddy the waters.
michael
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Letter of protest over the dropping of the Chapman Brothers


To the chair of the selection panel, War Artists in
Iraq.

I'm writing to protest against the dropping of Jake
and Dinos Chapman as war artists in Iraq despite the
Independent reporting there being majority support for
them on the selection panel.
It's clear that this has been done exclusively for
political reasons, especially given the government's
current attempts to intimidate the BBC and the
brothers' stated intention of protesting against the
war in their work.
Had the Chapman brothers been chosen they would simply
be reflecting the massive majority of domestic and
world opinion.
Is it only acceptable to engage war artists who are
known in advance to take an agnostic or pro war
position? -in this case the whole war artist project
is brought into disrepute.

Michael Szpakowski

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Re: what bad taste?


Absolutely, Ruth.
I'm not a great Chapman brothers fan but this is quite
clearly a bit of political censorship at the same time
as the govt tries to do an
East-Europe-before-the-wall-came-down on the Beeb (
who weren't, lets face it, exactly anti war) and as
Tony bLIAR looks daily more & more Pinnochio like .
SO.. on this one I'm a 100% with the Chapman brothers
and frankly shame on Steve McQueen if he takes the
job.
Do the selection committee have an e mail ? We should
at least send letters of protest & encourage others to
do so.
best
michael

--- ruth catlow <ruth.catlow@furtherfield.org> wrote:
> Hi Ivan
>
> re:
> their attack on McQueen is in incredibly poor taste
>
> They were selected and then vetoed which is usually
> regarded as an excuse for a
> moan.
> I share their disappointment. Though I wouldn't have
> risked being so impolite,
> in case it was misinterpreted as sour grapes ;-)
>
> I was surprised that they got as far as they did, a
> rare match of crazies-
> artists and warlords alike.
> Now I will have to imagine what the results would
> have been.
>
> cheers
>
> Ruth
>
>
>
> Ivan Pope wrote:
>
> > I am amazed that they were ever proposed in the
> first place. What state is
> > going to let two crazy mixed up artists loose as
> official War Artists.
> > At the same time, I think that their attack on
> McQueen is in incredibly poor
> > taste. So they didn't get selected, so they attack
> the artist who did.
> > Ho, hum. Storm in teacup as usual.
> > Cheers,
> > Ivan
> >
> > --
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> >
> > "Faster, faster, until the thrill of speed
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> > Hunter S. Thompson
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "ruth catlow" <ruth.catlow@furtherfield.org>
> > To: <list@rhizome.org>
> > Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2003 1:40 PM
> > Subject: RHIZOME_RAW: what bad taste?
> >
> > > The Chapman Brothers have been dropped as
> Britain's official artists in
> > > Iraq over questions of bad taste. They raise
> some very pertinent issues
> > > in this article.
> > >
> > >
>
http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/media/story.jsp?storyB2111
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East of Wind. Phillips, Gordon. A painting.
Song of the Chorrito of Lewis Lacook. It is a strange song.
Woodland of Teratology. Does Bruce Conkle study the legend of Sasquatch?
Finally the young Salvaggio d'Eryk - a surrealista world where George Washington, a fox and a hen, a MUSE, fight in imaginary loneliness - a game.
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