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Re: If I'm already drowning in banality, why do I need more of it (N.C. Mountain Fair)


That sequence is utterly wonderful, Curt.
best
michael
--- Curt Cloninger <curt@lab404.com> wrote:
> http://www.lab404.com/plotfracture/sop/
>
> _
>
>
> >Ivan
> >I think that although here you do deploy Curt's
> quote
> >quite effectively against him, there is a third
> >alternative which is neither irony nor banality and
> >that is that none of us who make work do it
> entirely
> >with our conscious minds and that all sorts of
> weird
> >and wonderful stuff makes its way in there
> eventually
> >at some remove.
> >In a way your web cam pieces,Ivan, are about
> >transforming the banal into the extraordinary.
> >I seem to have spent my entire life so far raising
> >kids, with concomitant restrictions on my freedom
> of
> >movement and other activities , so for a five year
> >period in the not too distant past I hardly went
> >anywhere except to shop, feed ducks and see Disney
> >films.
> >Equally since my mother's death last year I've
> become
> >quite gripped by bits of paper that surface in my
> >Dad's house -letters from the Methodist Church my
> Mum
> >went to, shopping lists, utter trivia.
> >At some point and in some way I think this
> experience
> >surfaces in the things I make and what I do
> >*consciously* want is to be neither ironic or
> >sentimental about it.
> >Now you could reply with justification that this is
> >fair enough, but that I don't post extracts from
> the
> >Harlow Citizen small ads on Rhizome.
> >True - but the above leads me to understand why
> >without a particle of irony, or feeling that it is
> >banal, or without some horrible "tell us the good
> news
> >about real folk" feeling, the offending article
> >represents a bit of found art which I personally
> found
> >more engaging than at least some of the posts which
> >find their way onto the list purporting to be
> 'about'
> >art.
> >Lenin wrote a thing once which is both blindingly
> >obvious and profound -"Everything is connected"
> >I think this is true and that artists should be
> able
> >to extract a wider meaning from even the most
> marginal
> >and insignificant thing.
> >best
> >michael
> >
> >--- Ivan Pope <ivan@ivanpope.com> wrote:
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Curt Cloninger" <curt@lab404.com>
> > > Subject: Re: RHIZOME_RAW: N.C. Mountain State
> Fair
> > > to Celebrate 10th
> > > Birthday in 2003
> > >
> > >
> > > > "You have not studied Joyce or Baudelaire yet,
> or
> > > you would have no
> > > > problems in understanding my procedure. I
> have no
> > > theories whatever
> > > > about anything. I make observations by way of
> > > discovering contours,
> > > > lines of force, and pressures. I satirize at
> all
> > > times, and my
> > > > hyperboles are as nothing compared to the
> events
> > > to which they refer."
> > > >
> > > > - Marshall Mathers McLuhan
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
>
>http://k10k.net/wulffmorgenthaler/large/370_carpet_covers_hal.gif
> > > >
> > > From: "Curt Cloninger" <curt@lab404.com>
> > > Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2003 10:24 PM
> > > Subject: RHIZOME_RAW: towards a more ambient art
> > >
> > > > Not that everything has to be Tolstoy. But
> when
> > > so few things even
> > > > attempt to be Tolstoy and so many things are
> > > content to be Bazooka
> > > > Joe Bubble Gum Cartoons, it gets kind of
> boring
> > > for ye olde art
> > > > patron. The Cliff's Notes artist would say,
> "I'm
> > > just echoing the
> > > > meaninglessness and frivolity of our
> post-modern
> > > culture." Well why
> > > > on earth would you want to do that? If I'm
> > > already drowning in
> > > > banality, why do I need more of it?
> > >
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DISCUSSION

Re: Re: N.C. Mountain State Fair to Celebrate 10th Birthday in 2003


<zip code
nonsense>
Unlike British postal codes in which the numbers and
letters are arranged in an altogether more attractive
and satisfying fashion.
Little Englandism - alive and kicking within our own
august arts council!
michael
--- john hartley <john.hartley@artscouncil.org.uk>
wrote:
> I'm sorry Curt,
> but I resent this.
> don't really care that this has nothing to do with
> net art, the net or art. Sure, it's really important
> and healthy that a community should try and grow
> through sharing broad interests and social,
> easy-going stuff. But where the hell is NC? I've
> never heard of NC is that somewhere in america
> (giant trucks are mentioned)? I have gathered that I
> am obliged to learn some trivia like
in order to make sense of the mass media
> that the US dominates. But the Rhizome community
> should have more egalitarian ambitions because of
> our use of the WORLD wide web. After all, I wouldn't
> invite you to local east london social events
> without making clear very early in the message that
> they were in London and that London was in England.
> Remember there are three W's.
>
> I do hope you enjoy your party in NC.
>
> curt cloninger wrote:
>
> >
>
http://www.ncagr.com/markets/fairs/mtnfair/sitemap.htm
> >
>
http://www.ncagr.com/markets/fairs/mtnfair/images/spongebob.jpg
> >
> > N.C. Mountain State Fair to Celebrate 10th
> Birthday in 2003
> >
> > FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
> > WEDNESDAY, JUNE 25, 2003
> >
> > CONTACT: Bill Edmondson, Manager
> > (828) 687-1414 x201
> >
> > FLETCHER-The 10th edition of the N.C. Mountain
> State Fair will run
> > Sept. 5-14 at the Western N.C. Ag Center in
> Fletcher, and plans are
> > shaping up for a record-breaking fair. A
> combination of great food,
> > rides, entertainment and more await fairgoers
> coming to the annual
> > event.
> >
> > "We have a good mix of new entertainment plus all
> the favorites we've
> > come to love during the first nine years of the
> fair," says manager
> > Bill Edmondson. "Folks will find all their
> favorite foods, rides,
> > exhibits and livestock, and we've added even more
> for 2003. We'll
> > feature two nights of monster truck racing, have
> lumberjacks
> > performing daily and we've brought back the
> popular Mooternity Ward."
> >
> > Competition categories are increased for 2003,
> with even more prize
> > money available. More than $78,000 in premium
> money was paid out in
> > 2002, the highest amount ever.
> >
> > Entertainment in the McGough Arena will include
> the monster trucks,
> > the Mountain State Fair Clogging Championship, two
> days of gospel
> > singing competition and premium concerts by Avalon
> with opening act
> > Everyday Sunday, Ty Herndon and John Anderson.
> >
> > Musical entertainment will be available on the
> fairgrounds each day
> > at the Mountain Music Festival, the gospel stage
> and on the
> > hospitality stage. Special musical guests will be
> the U.S. Navy
> > Country Current Band performing on the first
> weekend.
> >
> > Ticket prices remain $5 for adults, $2 for seniors
> and children 6-12,
> > and kids five and under get in free. Discounted
> advance ticket sales
> > will begin August 4 at area Ingles Stores, at the
> WNC Farmers' Market
> > and the WNC Ag Center.
> >
> > Tickets may also be purchased in advance at the
> fair website
> > www.mountainfair.org. Half price ride tickets can
> also be purchased
> > at the same locations prior to the start of the
> fair. A complete
> > daily schedule of the 10th N.C. Mountain State
> Fair is also available
> > at the website, or call (828) 687-1414.
> >
> > The WNC Ag Center is located in Fletcher, NC, at
> exit 9 from
> > Interstate 26. This is the Asheville Airport exit,
> and is about
> > halfway between Asheville and Hendersonville.
> >
> >
>
http://www.ncagr.com/markets/fairs/mtnfair/sitemap.htm
> >
>
http://www.ncagr.com/markets/fairs/mtnfair/images/spongebob.jpg
> >
> > _
> > _
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Re: If I'm already drowning in banality, why do I need more of it (N.C. Mountain Fair)


Ivan
I think that although here you do deploy Curt's quote
quite effectively against him, there is a third
alternative which is neither irony nor banality and
that is that none of us who make work do it entirely
with our conscious minds and that all sorts of weird
and wonderful stuff makes its way in there eventually
at some remove.
In a way your web cam pieces,Ivan, are about
transforming the banal into the extraordinary.
I seem to have spent my entire life so far raising
kids, with concomitant restrictions on my freedom of
movement and other activities , so for a five year
period in the not too distant past I hardly went
anywhere except to shop, feed ducks and see Disney
films.
Equally since my mother's death last year I've become
quite gripped by bits of paper that surface in my
Dad's house -letters from the Methodist Church my Mum
went to, shopping lists, utter trivia.
At some point and in some way I think this experience
surfaces in the things I make and what I do
*consciously* want is to be neither ironic or
sentimental about it.
Now you could reply with justification that this is
fair enough, but that I don't post extracts from the
Harlow Citizen small ads on Rhizome.
True - but the above leads me to understand why
without a particle of irony, or feeling that it is
banal, or without some horrible "tell us the good news
about real folk" feeling, the offending article
represents a bit of found art which I personally found
more engaging than at least some of the posts which
find their way onto the list purporting to be 'about'
art.
Lenin wrote a thing once which is both blindingly
obvious and profound -"Everything is connected"
I think this is true and that artists should be able
to extract a wider meaning from even the most marginal
and insignificant thing.
best
michael

--- Ivan Pope <ivan@ivanpope.com> wrote:
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Curt Cloninger" <curt@lab404.com>
> Subject: Re: RHIZOME_RAW: N.C. Mountain State Fair
> to Celebrate 10th
> Birthday in 2003
>
>
> > "You have not studied Joyce or Baudelaire yet, or
> you would have no
> > problems in understanding my procedure. I have no
> theories whatever
> > about anything. I make observations by way of
> discovering contours,
> > lines of force, and pressures. I satirize at all
> times, and my
> > hyperboles are as nothing compared to the events
> to which they refer."
> >
> > - Marshall Mathers McLuhan
> >
> >
>
http://k10k.net/wulffmorgenthaler/large/370_carpet_covers_hal.gif
> >
> From: "Curt Cloninger" <curt@lab404.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2003 10:24 PM
> Subject: RHIZOME_RAW: towards a more ambient art
>
> > Not that everything has to be Tolstoy. But when
> so few things even
> > attempt to be Tolstoy and so many things are
> content to be Bazooka
> > Joe Bubble Gum Cartoons, it gets kind of boring
> for ye olde art
> > patron. The Cliff's Notes artist would say, "I'm
> just echoing the
> > meaninglessness and frivolity of our post-modern
> culture." Well why
> > on earth would you want to do that? If I'm
> already drowning in
> > banality, why do I need more of it?
>
> + ti esrever dna ti pilf nwod gniht ym tup
> -> post: list@rhizome.org
> -> questions: info@rhizome.org
> -> subscribe/unsubscribe:
> http://rhizome.org/preferences/subscribe.rhiz
> -> give: http://rhizome.org/support
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Re: N.C. Mountain State Fair to Celebrate 10th Birthday in 2003


Ivan,
<I am just not fucking interested>
with you grumpiness verges on art!
Did the sides of your mouth not even twitch just a
little at this:
<and we've brought back the
popular Mooternity Ward.">
and does it have to be ironic?
warmest wishes
michael

--- Ivan Pope <ivan@ivanpope.com> wrote:
> Sorry, did I miss something there? I mean, I read
> the whole release and
> looked at the pictures and everything. I considered
> irony, spoof, conceptual
> net art.
> But I just dont see it: Rhizome/North Carolina
> Mountain State Fair.
> I am just not fucking interested.
> Cheers,
> Ivan
>
> > Subject: RHIZOME_RAW: N.C. Mountain State Fair to
> Celebrate 10th Birthday in
> > 2003
> >
> >
>
http://www.ncagr.com/markets/fairs/mtnfair/sitemap.htm
> >
>
http://www.ncagr.com/markets/fairs/mtnfair/images/spongebob.jpg
> >
> > N.C. Mountain State Fair to Celebrate 10th
> Birthday in 2003
> >
> > FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
> > WEDNESDAY, JUNE 25, 2003
> >
> > CONTACT: Bill Edmondson, Manager
> > (828) 687-1414 x201
> >
> > FLETCHER-The 10th edition of the N.C. Mountain
> State Fair will run
> > Sept. 5-14 at the Western N.C. Ag Center in
> Fletcher, and plans are
> > shaping up for a record-breaking fair. A
> combination of great food,
> > rides, entertainment and more await fairgoers
> coming to the annual
> > event.
> >
> > "We have a good mix of new entertainment plus all
> the favorites we've
> > come to love during the first nine years of the
> fair," says manager
> > Bill Edmondson. "Folks will find all their
> favorite foods, rides,
> > exhibits and livestock, and we've added even more
> for 2003. We'll
> > feature two nights of monster truck racing, have
> lumberjacks
> > performing daily and we've brought back the
> popular Mooternity Ward."
> >
> > Competition categories are increased for 2003,
> with even more prize
> > money available. More than $78,000 in premium
> money was paid out in
> > 2002, the highest amount ever.
> >
> > Entertainment in the McGough Arena will include
> the monster trucks,
> > the Mountain State Fair Clogging Championship, two
> days of gospel
> > singing competition and premium concerts by Avalon
> with opening act
> > Everyday Sunday, Ty Herndon and John Anderson.
> >
> > Musical entertainment will be available on the
> fairgrounds each day
> > at the Mountain Music Festival, the gospel stage
> and on the
> > hospitality stage. Special musical guests will be
> the U.S. Navy
> > Country Current Band performing on the first
> weekend.
> >
> > Ticket prices remain $5 for adults, $2 for seniors
> and children 6-12,
> > and kids five and under get in free. Discounted
> advance ticket sales
> > will begin August 4 at area Ingles Stores, at the
> WNC Farmers' Market
> > and the WNC Ag Center.
> >
> > Tickets may also be purchased in advance at the
> fair website
> > www.mountainfair.org. Half price ride tickets can
> also be purchased
> > at the same locations prior to the start of the
> fair. A complete
> > daily schedule of the 10th N.C. Mountain State
> Fair is also available
> > at the website, or call (828) 687-1414.
> >
> > The WNC Ag Center is located in Fletcher, NC, at
> exit 9 from
> > Interstate 26. This is the Asheville Airport exit,
> and is about
> > halfway between Asheville and Hendersonville.
> >
> >
>
http://www.ncagr.com/markets/fairs/mtnfair/sitemap.htm
> >
>
http://www.ncagr.com/markets/fairs/mtnfair/images/spongebob.jpg
> >
> > _
> > _
> > + ti esrever dna ti pilf nwod gniht ym tup
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> >
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Roth and Walker the joy of the anthem of Carletta to the edible one.
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Woodland of Teratology. Does Bruce Conkle study the legend of Sasquatch?
Finally the young Salvaggio d'Eryk - a surrealista world where George Washington, a fox and a hen, a MUSE, fight in imaginary loneliness - a game.
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