Michael Szpakowski
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Re: almost gibberish


Hi Rob
Thanks for the explanation.
It was really only a bit of spleen venting on my part
.. but I have to disagree with you a little ..I think
engaging with this sort of nonsense legitimises it..it
becomes ( becomes -who am I kidding -*is*) part of the
commonly accepted culture..and it's simply a
substitute for thought..I'm not sure that ironizing it
does anything either except engage with it on its own
shallow terms.
Sometimes, big things , little things , Iraq War,
cyber babble , you have to take a stand.
If it was a choice between going back to a day job &
only having the possibility of working with dreck like
this quite honestly I think I'd go back to work.
best
michael
--- Rob Myers <robmyers@mac.com> wrote:
> Then it is entirely gibberish.
>
> Hoorah! :-)
>
> OK, sorry, in plain non-Rob English:
>
> If you don't like what they're saying there are
> still constructive ways
> of engaging with it.
>
> I'm not that keen on this kind of gibberish either,
> but engaging
> constructively with it means that it can be got rid
> of or redirected.
>
> - Rob.

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Re: almost gibberish


Rob
I don't understand any of your reply.
michael
--- Rob Myers <robmyers@mac.com> wrote:
> Saucer of milk, table two!
>
> On 1 Feb 2004, at 19:57, Michael Szpakowski wrote:
>
> > Re the discussion on commission/competition specs
> a
> > couple of weeks back, even making allowances for
> the
> > fact that this is translated from another
> language,
> > this is the sort of thing that completely does my
> head
> > in.
>
> It's an amusing enough proposition, and shared
> culture often takes
> cliche as its point of departure. Anyone who wants a
> destination point
> laid out as well probably should recognise that
> there won't be anything
> non-hobbyist for them to do in art.
>
> > I find the prospect of trying to make something
> that
> > accords with this as inviting as root canal work.
> Its
> > not so much that it's complete gibberish -it isn't
> > quite. It's the monumental mind bending cliche
> ridden
> > banality of it that really hits home:
>
> So provide an alternative. Ironise it. Do a Duchamp.
> Any of these
> approaches will contribute to this
> managerial/consultancy culture of
> "free verse crossed with a video recorder
> instruction manual" (as I
> called it a decade ago) withering away.
>
> - Rob.
>
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almost gibberish


Re the discussion on commission/competition specs a
couple of weeks back, even making allowances for the
fact that this is translated from another language,
this is the sort of thing that completely does my head
in.
I find the prospect of trying to make something that
accords with this as inviting as root canal work. Its
not so much that it's complete gibberish -it isn't
quite. It's the monumental mind bending cliche ridden
banality of it that really hits home:

<black box_ something whose internal structure and
internal functioning
are
unknown or not considered to be important

white cube_ an ostensibly neutral space, wholly geared
toward the
presentation of "the artwork" and thus never
unproblematic

Assertion, perception, illusion. black box and white
cube can be
defined in
terms of the interface concept. Interfaces form
transitions and enable
communication between various systems. Contact points,
surfaces,
transmitters. Unknown factor? The interface as
translator and mediator
between medium and message. It's easy to extend the
digital analogy to
a
more general level: user and content, individual and
society, public
and
artist. What demands are thereby placed on interfaces;
how consciously
do we
deal with interfaces; how easily do we let ourselves
be manipulated by
surfaces...?

garage 04 will attempt a critical examination of the
interface
principle,
between surface and source of friction, claim and
actual function. This
applies both to interesting technical interfaces for
entering the black
box
and to the practice of placing, presenting and
producing art and the
conditions under which it is received, oriented
equally toward artists,
producers/curators and the public. Send us your
proposals for
presentations,
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DISCUSSION

New essays on somedancersandmusicians.com


Hi
there are five new essays on
somedancersandmusicians.com, to add to ones by Curt
Cloninger, Robert Roth, Carletta Joy Walker, Arnold
Sachar, Martha Deed, Millie Niss and Dyske Suematsu.
The new ones are

'Primo Levi, Linguist' by George Jochnowitz

'A Decade Without TV' by Laura Floyd

'Camera Obscurantism' by Patrick Simons

'Art & the Search for Sanity' by Suzy Nees

'Poetry

DISCUSSION

hand cranked film


hand cranked film:

http://www.somedancersandmusicians.com/film/film.html

best
michael

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