Michael Szpakowski
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Works in Harlow United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland

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Re: Re: Re: setting up the punch line


I hadn't intended to contribute to tis discussion ,
partly because, as so often with Curt's pieces, I had
the strange sensation of half formed words being taken
right out of my mouth and then articulated better than
I could hope to, but something slightly tangential
intrigued me, which bears on the arts/crafts question:
<It's often so that the difference between great art
and mediocre art is
in the finishing and polishing.>
Now is this true ?.. I accept the qualifier "often so"
but what interests me is how quite often figures in
the fine arts tradition are relatively *uninterested*
in finish, in polish ..and I'm thinking specifically
here of a great Degas piece in the National Gallery
London swathes of which are manifestly unfinished.
( and this is by no means a unique example)
Now of course the commodification of such pieces means
that work that was not finished ( and not felt to be
finished by the artist) can now find itself displayed
but it seems to me part of the practice of many
interesting artists (especially but not exclusively in
drawing) to focus on something beyond surface finish.
There's also many centuries of tradition in Japan of
an aesthetic that actually prioritizes sketchiness,
impermanence, lack of finish.
I entirely accept Curt's contention that we can and
should learn from the craftsperson -I've been involved
in making a number very short films recently and have
been keeping more than one eye open for techniques in
TV advertisments, which in many ( but profoundly
limited) ways offer a master class in the genre, but I
do feel that to some extent the art/craft divided is
typified by the fact that the fine artist sometimes
looks beyond finish not only without detriment but to
the positive benefit of what they produce.
To speculate as to why -the craftsperson is always
embedded in some sort of economic relationship
-producing for the market , or the feudal lord, or the
church or whatever.
The artist (although her products, once made, move
into the world of commerce) not primarliy so.
Milton wrote "Paradise Lost", said Marx, not for money
but because it was *in his nature*. I think here we
see the shamanistic roots of art very clearly - the
fact that the finest work arises out of some very deep
need in the depths of the human psyche.
best
michael

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Re: The Sky: new e-book at PI


Looks great Lewis! I always enjoy your individual
poems posted here and elsewhere but a cursory glance
at this makes the *accumulation* look very inviting.
Looking forward to reading it all at leisure.
michael
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pentimenti


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best,
michael

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two movies


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http://www.somedancersandmusicians.com/Some_QuickTime_Movies/day_and_night_in_the_garden.mov

"heart" has music, "day and night" is silent.

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orpheus.mov


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sound essential

Spanish & English text by Ivan Monroy-Lopez

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