Michael Szpakowski
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Re: Re: The Myth of Meritocracy in Fine Arts


Dyske
of course in a very banal and totally uninteresting
way you are right.
Right, in the same way as I remember being paralyzed
for a week as a twelve year old by an early brush with
Descartes and the idea that all my senses might be
systematically lying to me.
But I moved on -and I'm frankly surprised that you, as
a declared admirer of that most concrete and
sophisticated of thinkers Wittgenstein, should not
have moved on too.
Of course "in the long run we're all dead" and if you
really insist on it you can play the relativism card
until all human endeavour appears meaningless and you
can just keep upping that relativism ante until all is
dust but, as Curt said and said well, does it actually
get us anywhere?
The point for me is that human beings are *meaning
making creatures*.
Even to use your "market" standard involves a social
and historical notion of money.
The moment you think *concretely* about the question
of artistic merit the social and historical dimension
appears: does your yardstick apply to Vermeer?
-ok..just possibly now.. - to Shakespeare?- absolutely
not. To JS Bach -absolutely not. To cave painting?
Of course there aren't objective litmus tests of
artistic value but what there is is an ongoing many
voiced dialogue within human society between people as
consumers of art and the works of art( but this is to
put it too simply- the social nature of human beings
means that this dialogue permeates the consciousness
of even those who do not know the original works -how
often do we, unknowingly perhaps, quote Shakespeare or
the Bible or Koran?)and this leaves an objective, an
actual, trail of books and performances and buildings
and newspaper articles, in fact it to some extent
*structures* our society.
That's why its so difficult to judge now whether a
work will have lasting value( and by lasting I mean
centuries, maybe in some cases thousands of years..I
make no bigger claim ..unlike Curt for me there's no
eternity) -but we can say that Bach, Virgil,
Shakespeare, Dante have established a *claim* to
humanity's attention which is certainly not led by
your rather facile market test.
I entirely endorse those here who more eloquently than
I have accused you of providing a fig leaf for some
really rather unpleasant forces within our society.
Actually I know for a fact I don't make art to make
money -I can tell you that by checking my bank
account..but I still keep on doing it.I really rather
resent the implication that this is what lies behind
my, and others activities.
I hate to be so fierce.. you know I regard you as a
friend, but when you came to dinner the other week I
cooked you a meal because I know I like you, that
you're congenial company. Is that totally relative and
meaningless? Would I feel the same way about having
George W round the house? Would it be the same thing?
I think not.
best
michael

--- Dyske Suematsu <dyske@dyske.com> wrote:
> Hi Curt,
>
> 'I believe in right and wrong. Am I right or am I
> wrong?

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best
michael

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Extracted verbatim from a call for work I saw
recently, ( the contct is zampa di leone
zampa@various-euro.com if you'd like to submit):

It's very heavy situation in culture and activism!
strong metaglobalmovement is happening all around
planet!
political criticism is like waste of shit!
we can find together answers and solutions!

This people call for open call!!!!
this people are the last artist!!!
this people are new romantics!!!
and anarchists!!!

they are making internal streaming!
they are inside netart context!
they are bosses of wireless network communites!
they like theory and hypertext!
they are the owners from open source rights!
they are left, left oriented!!
......
and they like small children!!!!!

Ah -if only more calls were like that.
best
michael

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Re: almost gibberish


Hello Eryk!
best
michael
--- Eryk Salvaggio <eryk@maine.rr.com> wrote:
>
> What is a Lev Manovich?
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Jess Loseby
> To: Michael Szpakowski ; list@rhizome.org
> Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2004 4:36 PM
> Subject: Re: RHIZOME_RAW: almost gibberish
>
>
> Hi Michael,
> somebody has just be overdosing on manovich
> again....
> see:
> The Poetics of Augmented Space: Learning from
> Prada ' Lev Manovich (2002)
> (http://www.manovich.net in the articles section)
>
>
> which contains a piece of writing sub headed
> 'White Cube versus Black Box'
> I think it might have been published on rhizome
> too at the time.
>
>
> not that anyone is allowing their curatorial
> agendas to be influenced too heavily on manovich's
> writing.
> no. surely not.
>
>
> jess.
>
>
>
>
> Date sent: Sun, 1 Feb 2004
> 11:57:45 -0800 (PST)
> From: Michael Szpakowski
> <szpako@yahoo.com>
> Subject: RHIZOME_RAW: almost
> gibberish
> To: rhizome
> <list@rhizome.org>
> Send reply to: Michael Szpakowski
> <szpako@yahoo.com>
>
>
> > Re the discussion on commission/competition
> specs a
> > couple of weeks back, even making allowances for
> the
> > fact that this is translated from another
> language,
> > this is the sort of thing that completely does
> my head
> > in.
> >>
> > <black box_>
> > Assertion, perception, illusion. black box and
> white
> > cube c
> o
> /^ rssgallery.com
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DISCUSSION

Re: almost gibberish


Influenced" is kind Jess.
Whatever you think of Manovich he's consistent
thoughtful and coherent which is more than you can say
for his epigones.
But you're right about the methodology - not willing
to make the effort to have an original thought we lift
a bit of half or quarter digested Manovich ( or
Derrida, or Lyotard or Lacan or...) that sounds kinda
cool, and attach it willy nilly to our
project..ensuring instant cred with the art
fashionistas.
Pass me the sick bag!
best
michael

--- Jess Loseby <jess@rssgallery.com> wrote:
> i'll try that again - really did come out gibberish
> for some reason >-*
> ----
>
> Hi Michael,
> somebody has just be overdosing on manovich
> again....
> see:
> The Poetics of Augmented Space: Learning from Prada
> ' Lev Manovich
> (2002) (http://www.manovich.net in the articles
> section)
>
> which contains a piece of writing sub headed 'White
> Cube versus Black
> Box'
> I think it might have been published on rhizome too
> at the time.
>
> not that anyone is allowing their curatorial agendas
> to be influenced too
> heavily on manovich's writing.
> no. surely not.
>
> jess. o
> /^ rssgallery.com
> ][
>
>
>
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