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Mark Tribe
Since 2004
Works in New York, New York United States of America

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BIO

Mark Tribe is an artist whose work explores the intersection of media technology and politics. His photographs, installations, videos, and performances are exhibited widely, including recent solo projects at Momenta Art in New York, the San Diego Museum of Art, G-MK in Zagreb, and Los Angeles Contemporary Exhibitions. Tribe is the author of two books, The Port Huron Project: Reenactments of New Left Protest Speeches (Charta, 2010) and New Media Art (Taschen, 2006), and numerous articles. He is Chair of the MFA Fine Arts Department at School of Visual Arts in New York City. In 1996, Tribe founded Rhizome, an organization that supports the creation, presentation, preservation, and critique of emerging artistic practices that engage technology.
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DISCUSSION
Posted on Thu Jan 23, 2003

## Re: Fw: Your Rhizome.org contribution

you don't need a credit card to make a payment using paypal
setting up a european account would be a good idea. i'm not sure how to go
about it, but i will look into it.
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Joao Pedro" <oliveirapereira1@sapo.pt>
> > To: "Francis Hwang" <francis@rhizome.org>
> > Cc: "Oliveira Pereira" <oliveirapereira1@sapo.pt>
> > Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 2:37 AM
> > Subject: Re: Your Rhizome.org contribution
> >
> >
> > > Hi!
> > >
> > > My contribution was sent on a cheque in foreign currencie, also!
> > Frankly,
> > > i don't understand why rhizome during all this time, kept on silence
>about
> > > restrictions, special conditions and exceptions that existes in all
> > payments
> > > forms. The rhizomers outside EUA, that don't have credit card to making
> > her
> > > donation, on the PayPal system, like me, are in difficulty and you don't
> > > inform how can we solve the problem! I can't send from Portugal to USA,
>a
> > > money order or a value declared letter! And do you know how much cost
>the
> > > international cheque that i sent to rhizome?... I payed 15 Euros, only
>by
> > > the cheque issue! I ask again: why you didn't warn before?
> > > My opinion about this kind of troubles, it's only because you don't
> > give
> > > to rhizomers a Bank account that make possible the direct transference
>of
> > > money, from everywhere. That's the usual proceeding to make payments to
> > > cultural institutions, educational organizations and so one! Rhizome are
>a
> > > exception and for that reason, in practice, foreign members don't have
>the
> > > same access facilities than the others that lives in USA. Today, you are
> > > impose a feed contribution and more than that: you have mark out two
> > > distinct areas on the map world. The area where living rhizomers that
>have
> > > means to pay a feed, and the area of the others that don't have means to
> > do
> > > that! Of course, you don't want that kind of segregation, but in
>practice,
> > > it existes already!
> > > I don't have intention to require a credit card, only for purpose to
> > done
> > > a sporadical payment on PayPal! It's a very simple question: if you
>can't
> > > raise my cheque, believe me, in my case you don't give more 60 days to
> > solve
> > > the problem, because i asked on my Bank, on the post-offices and the
> > answer
> > > is always the same: the direct transference of the money, to a specific
> > bank
> > > account, is the usual proceeding on similar cases.
> > > If i lose contact with rhizome because of that, it would be sad, but
> > tell
> > > me, will there be another solution? Actually, i don't see none! To
>rhizome
> > > body, it's possible to live without one limb, without ten or hundred.
>So,
> > > for you, what difference does it make?...
> > >
> > > My best wishes:
> > >
> > > Joao
> > > oliveirapereira1@sapo.pt
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Francis Hwang" <francis@rhizome.org>
> > > To: "Francis Hwang" <francis@rhizome.org>
> > > Cc: "Alexis Vasilos" <alexis@rhizome.org>
> > > Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2003 7:03 PM
> > > Subject: Your Rhizome.org contribution
> > >
> > >
> > > > Hi everybody:
> > > >
> > > > We recently received some donations from Rhizomers in checks in
>foreign
> > > > currencies. Unfortunately, our bank will not accept checks written
>from
> > > > foreign banks. Your checks have not been deposited.
> > > >
> > > > Please note our donation options, as listed on our support page at
> > > > http://rhizome.org/support. We find that online credit-card payment,
> > > either
> > > > through our secure payment page or PayPal, to be the most trouble-free
> > way
> > > > of paying.
> > > >
> > > > In order to continue service, we will be extending your membership
> > > > expiration for 60 days, until March 19.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks for your support, and your patience.
> > > >
> > > > Francis Hwang
> > > > Director of Technology
> > > > Rhizome.org
> > > > 212-989-2363
> > > >
> > > > + + +
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > + ti esrever dna ti pilf nwod gniht ym tup
> > -> post: list@rhizome.org
> > -> questions: info@rhizome.org
> > -> subscribe/unsubscribe: http://rhizome.org/preferences/subscribe.rhiz
> > -> give: http://rhizome.org/support
> > +
> > Subscribers to Rhizome are subject to the terms set out in the
> > Membership Agreement available online at http://rhizome.org/info/29.php
> >
>
>+ ti esrever dna ti pilf nwod gniht ym tup
>-> post: list@rhizome.org
>-> questions: info@rhizome.org
>-> subscribe/unsubscribe: http://rhizome.org/preferences/subscribe.rhiz
>-> give: http://rhizome.org/support
>+
>Subscribers to Rhizome are subject to the terms set out in the
>Membership Agreement available online at http://rhizome.org/info/29.php

DISCUSSION
Posted on Thu Jan 23, 2003

## Re: <nettime> rhizome or <rhizome> nettime or...

At 01:10 PM 1/23/2003 +0000, Ivan Pope wrote:
>From: Are Flagan <areflagan@artpanorama.com>
>
> > PS: Did anyone even bother to mention that it's all free on Fridays? See
>you
> > at happy hour.
>
>Maybe someone could explain what it all means. What is free on Fridays?
>Access to Rhizome.org? Ability to mail to the list? Ability to submit to the
>archive? Somethings else? Some of the above? None of the above?
free fridays means free access to the site, but not the ability to post or
to subscribe to the email lists.
>Does this mean we will get a flood of emails on Friday?
no flood.
>Ivan
>
>+ ti esrever dna ti pilf nwod gniht ym tup
>-> post: list@rhizome.org
>-> questions: info@rhizome.org
>-> subscribe/unsubscribe: http://rhizome.org/preferences/subscribe.rhiz
>-> give: http://rhizome.org/support
>+
>Subscribers to Rhizome are subject to the terms set out in the
>Membership Agreement available online at http://rhizome.org/info/29.php

DISCUSSION
Posted on Sat Jan 18, 2003

## NEGOTIATIONS: call to artists, cultural workers, activists and academics

>Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2003 01:05:49 -0500
>To: "Mark Tribe" <mt@rhizome.org>
>From: Gita Hashemi <gita@ping.ca>
>Subject: please post to the list
>
>NEGOTIATIONS: call to artists, cultural workers, activists and academics
>
>Please circulate widely. Apologies for duplicates.
>
>
>+ + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +
>+ N E G O T I A T I O N S
>+ From a Piece of Land to a Land of Peace
>+ A Creative Response Initiative
>+ + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +
>
>Call to Artists, Cultural Workers, Activists and Academics
>Deadline: February 15, 2003 (postmark)
>-------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>NEGOTIATIONS is a multidisciplinary cultural event to be held in Toronto,
>Canada, between June and July 2003. We aim to create alternative public
>spaces where we can consider shared entitlement and common responsibility
>for co-existence between Palestinians and Israelis. We are currently
>seeking collaborative projects for an exhibition (may include websites),
>film/video screenings, literary readings, performances, public art and
>creative workshops.
>
>The ongoing conflict in Israel and Palestine constitutes a particularly
>dramatic example of the complex legacies of colonialism and the two World
>Wars. Beyond its tragic impact on the daily lives of Palestinians and
>Israelis in the region and in diaspora around the world, this conflict
>raises questions of global ethical significance pertaining to indigenous
>people

DISCUSSION
Posted on Sat Jan 18, 2003

## Re: One Day Left

Hi Dyske:
You raise some good points and ask some excellent questions. Forgive me if
my responses go on a bit.
At 10:33 AM 1/17/2003 -0500, Dyske Suematsu wrote:
>I don't mind paying for Rhizome, and in fact I did. But there are obvious
>(at least to me) questions that have never been answered.
>
>What's wrong with corporate sponsorship?
>
>Whitney does it, BAM does it, Guggenheim does it. And it works well for
>them. Would I be correct in guessing that Rhizome has a predominantly
>anti-big-business spirit?
I suppose I have a somewhat anti-big-business spirit, and that many if not
most Rhizome members have a similar attitude. But I don't think this
attitude has much to do with our lack of corporate support. We received
some corporate support in 1999 and 2000 from Absolut and Altoids. But those
were exceptional: the Absolut money came through a competition--Absolut
Angel--and functioned more like a grant. The Altoids sponsorship happened
when we were doing events at The Kitchen in NYC and had a lot to do with
the venue.
Other than Absolut and Altoids, our attempts to attract corporate sponsors
have been unsuccessful. I'm not sure how much of this has to do with the
slow economy and how much of it has to do with the fact that corporations
have a hard time seeing the value in sponsoring an organization like
Rhizome whose programs are mostly online. I think they would see it as a
form of online advertizing, and that market is still pretty depressed.
Corporations seem to be more interested in sponsoring established museums
(where they can put their name on the wall) and performing arts
organizations (where they can put their name in the program). They also
seem to be most comfortable with either established art forms or
established organizations. A new organization that supports a new art form
is a pretty hard sell. Because we've had more success with Foundations,
government agencies and individuals, that's where we've focused our
energies. Perhaps it is time for us to try again with corporate sponsors.
>What about the distribution of labor?
>
>It seems ironic that the organization that endorses digital technology isn't
>taking advantage of one of the greatest aspects of the Internet technology:
>de-centralization of labor. Why couldn't Rhizome be run like the way
>K10K.net is? Their site is just as ambitious as Rhizime is, and no one is
>getting paid for their contributions there, and the site is free for
>everyone. They got Adobe to pay for software and hardware. They got Media
>Temple to provide them free hosting. Beyond that, all the labor is
>voluntary. Everyone has a job. They have no office space or travel expense.
>This is possible because the labor is distributed wide enough that each
>person does not have to do much. This is one of the greatest things about
>the net. Why do you need to have one person dedicated to reviewing all the
>artwork? Why do you need to have one person dedicated to anything for that
>matter. Why couldn't you distribute?
I love K10K.net. But Rhizome.org and K10K.net are very different creatures.
K10K is a design zine, more-or-less. They are based in Denmark, I think. As
a Denmark-based web design zine, their ability to get corporate sponsorship
is pretty different from ours (both because they are about design, not art,
and because they are in Denmark). In my experience, European and
Scandinavian corporations, and even European and Scandinavian subsidiaries
of American corporations, are much more open to sponsoring new media and
online projects. Look, for example, at Ars Electronica.
I'm not going to argue that the Rhizome.org web site is more or less
ambitious than K10K. K10K is amazing. It has great content, kewl design and
a dilirously funny FAQ. But Rhizome.org has a very different range of
programs, including:
+ Four email lists (Raw, Rare, Digest and Net Art News) and their web-based
equivalents.
+ Archives of texts (TextBase) and new media art works (ArtBase) that have
been methodically indexed with keywords and other metadata--I think these
may be the largest archives of their kind in existence today. Hopefully we
will have a better search engine soon so these archive will be more
accessible. We also participate actively in CIAO, the Variable Media
Network, and other consortia and inititatives concerned with the archiving
and preservation of new media art, and are actively involved in helping to
set standards for the archiving and preservation of new media art (see our
recently published report at http://rhizome.org/artbase/report.htm). We see
this kind of advocacy, as well as a committment to preserving the work in
our archives for the long term, as important aspects of our service to the
field.
+ A new media art commissioning program in which we give money to artists
to make new work.
+ The Calendar, Opportunity Listings and Community Directory: these don't
take much effort to run now that they are set up, but we hope to improve them.
+ Face-to-face events at various venues (museums, clubs, bars, schools)
around the world.
+ Web Hosting and Online Education (both through partnerships, but these
still take time to manage).
We also have several other new programs in the works, including Grok, a
traveling arcade-style game console that will make new media art accessible
to disadvantaged youth and others at non-traditional venues around the US,
and Rhizome Latino, a Spanish-language version of Rhizome.org.
The question of operating in a more distributed manner came up during the
initial discussion around membership fees back in November. The short
answer is that I don't think it would work for us. Or rather that it could
work, but it would mean radically scalaing back both our current programs
and our ambitions for the future. We (meaning the staff and board)
seriously considered shutting down the office, laying off the staff and
going into a kind of hibernation mode in which we would keep most of the
web site going but terminated all the other programs and activities. But we
decided instead to try to keep Rhizome going in its current form so we can
continue to grow and build on what we have thus far accomplished. A
physical office and a small core staff are necessary in order to function
as a nonprofit organization supported primarily by grants and individuals,
in order to sustain a high level of professionalism in our programs and
activities, in order to serve as advocates for new media art, etc. If our
current gambit to achieve financial stability through member contributions
fails, we could always fall back to a more distributed approach.
>I'm not exactly sure what part of the site is going to be members-only, but
>depending on it, I have a feeling that the fee could potentially be fatal
>for Rhizome. It's not the amount. It is the friction of the payment
>processing that the majority of people will not go through.
Good point about the hassle factor vs. the amount.
>I always thought
>Rhizome to be a great resource for anyone who wants to learn about digital
>art, but the membership strategy will limit the audience to the insiders
>only. Rhizome, therefore, will stop functioning as a force to disseminate
>and proliferate the messages of the digital art. This will be very
>unfortunate.
Well, the home page will continue to be free, as will Net Art News. And the
whole thing will be free on Fridays.
Best,
Mark

DISCUSSION
Posted on Sat Jan 18, 2003

## Re: Re: One Day Left

At 12:30 AM 1/17/2003 -0800, m e t a wrote:
>At 9:32 AM -0500 1/15/03, Mark Tribe wrote:
>
> >
> >this isn't about profit. it is about survival. rhizome is a nonprofit
> organization. nobody is getting rich.
>
>'survival' & 'rich' are relative terms.
agreed. but when i talk about survival, i mean rhizome's survival, not my own.
>you paid yourself $47,260 in 2000
>
>alex galloway was paid $36,692 - and he is listed as a part-time employee.
>
>http://rhizome.org/info/Rhizome_2000_990.pdf
>
>
>i could live more than comfortably off of your salary, mark.
i realize that these salaries could seem high, especially to people from
places where wages and costs of living are lower. but our salaries are
actually about average for nonprofit arts organization of our size in new
york city. we could move to a cheaper location, of course, but our access
to government and foundation funding is much better in new york than it
would be elsewhere. and there are other benefits to being in new york as
well, so all in all i think it makes sense for us to stay.
> >that said, you may be right about our policy. maybe we *should* offer
> free memberships to those whose work is included in the artbase, in
> digest, etc.
>
>sorry - you *need* to offer much more than that.
>
>everyone who is actively producing the very material whereby you pay
>yourself $47,260 a year needs to be receiving a share of the wealth.
>
>this includes the regional editors, those who write reviews of festivals
>and shows and artworks, those whose writings are included in the digest...
>
>and here's a novel concept :
>
>perhaps even the artists - the ones actually producing the stuff that the
>entire rhizome community supposedly revolves around - could actually see
>some of that money.
they do, through our commissioning program.
>perhaps the money collected from the community
>could actually be put back into the community itself
>in the form of direct financial support for the artists.
last year, we gave $20,000 to five artists through our commissioning
program. this year, we hope to give more (depends on funding).
>perhaps one modest commission a month,
>or a fee for inclusion in the artbase.
>
>... instead of :
>
>rhizomes office space, - $10,176
>rhizomes travel expenses, - $8,049
>rhizomes office expense, - $8,175
>rhizomes legal fees, - $25,444
>etc.
>
>your .org has become bloated.
as others on this list can attest, our operating expenses are in fact
rather low for a nonprofit arts organization based in new york or similar city.
>you have a number of things generating considerable expense
>that are providing little or no benefit to the majority of the list members.
perhaps. you seem to have some pretty clear ideas about how an organization
like rhizome should be run. maybe you should start one yourself!
>in addition - you are asking for us to pay for them
>while providing no financial support for those generating the very content
>that IS of benefit to the majority of the list members.
>
>that is not survival, it is exploitation.
>sorry - before you receive a dime from me,
>i need to know that my money is going to be spent much more wisely
>and distributed much more fairly.
i think your expectations and assumptions are unrealistic.
> >i'd be curious to hear from others on this. feel free to email me
> directly if your membership gets suspended.
>
>cute.
>
>
>
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