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Re: ART IS ILLUSTRATION


What exactly is NOT a socially constructed idea? All ideas are as such. And
move onto where???

-m

on 11/17/02 5:20 AM, furtherfield at info@furtherfield.org wrote:

It used to be..

Art is just a name...

a socially constructed idea that frames it all.

We can move on if we want to...

marc

on 11/16/02 7:26 PM, furtherfield at info@furtherfield.org wrote:

ART IS ILLUSTRATION

marc

ART IS THE ANTITHESIS OF ILLUSTRATION

mark

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RHIZOME_RAW: beuys will be beuys


Today, U.S. president George W Bush declared that his war on terror was
actually a piece of "social sculpture" intended to be seen "as stimulants
for the transformation of the idea of sculpture. . . or of art in general."
Bush went on to propose that his true goal was not the toppling of murderous
despots or even the acquisition of oil but to "provoke thoughts about what
sculpture can be and how the concept of sculpting can be extended to the
invisible materials used by everyone," such as fear, fervor, prejudice,
vengeance, hate. Bush ended his remarks with the comment that activities
related to the war on terror would never be "fixed and finished," and that
"processes [would] continue in most of them: chemical reactions,
fermentations, color changes, decay, drying up. Everything is in a state of
change." Bush then waved to the enraptured crowd and joined them in a chorus
of God Bless America, while aides passed out bullets, gas masks and anthrax
vaccines.

-m

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Re: Antoine Schmidt (France) and the entity in action


on 11/6/02 11:27 PM, Jim Andrews at jim@vispo.com wrote:

> "Avec determination" at http://www.gratin.org/as/avecdetermination is a
minimalist study of lively motion via the programmed. Depending on the mood
you catch it in, you might get quite a show.

Another fine link! JA, while I may take issue here and there with your views
of these works, your findings are always marvelous!

Re: the site "avec determination":

This is good. This is art. (Or getting close.) I am actually reminded of
Beckett, in particular his use of obsessive minimal gestures repeated ad
nauseum, and of the puppetlike status of the people doing hurtful things to
themselves without being able to stop.

There is also grace on display here, and even a curious kind of dignity in
the struggle to keep going. No matter how many times the user's mouse as
"deux ex machina" thrusts a sprite against the wall or makes him float to
the ceiling, he always manages to regroup himself and get back into the
game. There's no stress or fatigue built into the algorithm, though, so in
the end I cannot fully relate. This is more like one god pitted against
another in an infinite loop. There is no breaking down of the system, no
ultimate concession, defeat or death. (And, conversely, no ecstasy,
revelation, etc.) This would be my main critique of this work, and of these
flash-generated thingies in general. I feel too distant from the so-called
life that is happening in them, no acknowledgment of my fragile and limited
status on this earth and of the tragic needs of the flesh which will always
be with us no mater how robotized we become. Such beings may exist as
virtual entities of a sort, but not in any world that I inhabit and will
someday be leaving. Even the Greek gods had human flaws and foibles. Where
are the flaws in these dancing sticks? I do not see them. They are blind,
indomitable, perfect, and as such do not ever live because they cannot ever
die.

-m

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Re: Napier's King Kong and Durieu's Giraffe and OeilComplex


on 11/6/02 2:02 PM, Jim Andrews at jim@vispo.com wrote:

>>> What other successful 3D art pieces
>>> can you think of
>>> on the Web that involve 'living entities'?
>>
>> If you want to play with responsive wireframes with muscles, gravity etc,
>> get over to my good genius friends at Soda and try their Sodaconstructor:
>> http://www.sodaplay.com/zoo/
>
> How could I forget! I have visited there several times. Yes, it is an
> excellent site.

Why do you guys think sodaconstructor (and/or its caged byproducts) is art
at all? To me it looks like an interesting - if elementary - project in
bioengineering, but I don't get where it has any significant artistic
component to speak of.

-m

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