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Marc Garrett is co-director and co-founder, with artist Ruth Catlow of the Internet arts collectives and communities – Furtherfield.org, Furthernoise.org, Netbehaviour.org, also co-founder and co-curator/director of the gallery space formerly known as 'HTTP Gallery' now called the Furtherfield Gallery in London (Finsbury Park), UK. Co-curating various contemporary Media Arts exhibitions, projects nationally and internationally. Co-editor of 'Artists Re:Thinking Games' with Ruth Catlow and Corrado Morgana 2010. Hosted Furtherfield's critically acclaimed weekly broadcast on UK's Resonance FM Radio, a series of hour long live interviews with people working at the edge of contemporary practices in art, technology & social change. Currently doing an Art history Phd at the University of London, Birkbeck College.
Net artist, media artist, curator, writer, street artist, activist, educationalist and musician. Emerging in the late 80′s from the streets exploring creativity via agit-art tactics. Using unofficial, experimental platforms such as the streets, pirate radio such as the locally popular ‘Savage Yet Tender’ alternative broadcasting 1980′s group, net broadcasts, BBS systems, performance, intervention, events, pamphlets, warehouses and gallery spaces. In the early nineties, was co-sysop (systems operator) with Heath Bunting on Cybercafe BBS with Irational.org.
Our mission is to co-create extraordinary art that connects with contemporary audiences providing innovative, engaging and inclusive digital and physical spaces for appreciating and participating in practices in art, technology and social change. As well as finding alternative ways around already dominating hegemonies, thus claiming for ourselves and our peer networks a culturally aware and critical dialogue beyond traditional hierarchical behaviours. Influenced by situationist theory, fluxus, free and open source culture, and processes of self-education and peer learning, in an art, activist and community context.
Net artist, media artist, curator, writer, street artist, activist, educationalist and musician. Emerging in the late 80′s from the streets exploring creativity via agit-art tactics. Using unofficial, experimental platforms such as the streets, pirate radio such as the locally popular ‘Savage Yet Tender’ alternative broadcasting 1980′s group, net broadcasts, BBS systems, performance, intervention, events, pamphlets, warehouses and gallery spaces. In the early nineties, was co-sysop (systems operator) with Heath Bunting on Cybercafe BBS with Irational.org.
Our mission is to co-create extraordinary art that connects with contemporary audiences providing innovative, engaging and inclusive digital and physical spaces for appreciating and participating in practices in art, technology and social change. As well as finding alternative ways around already dominating hegemonies, thus claiming for ourselves and our peer networks a culturally aware and critical dialogue beyond traditional hierarchical behaviours. Influenced by situationist theory, fluxus, free and open source culture, and processes of self-education and peer learning, in an art, activist and community context.
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She cries your name
Falling from the western selves
To find yourself alone again
Wonderin' where you have been
Your lonely voice
Calls across the star lit coast
Reaching out to be seen
She cries your name
Three times again
She cries your name
How long can this love remain?
Scratch beneath the surface screen
Of what we say and what we seem
Is there truth to be seen?
She's cryin' out your name
But her scream sounds the same
How fickle fate can be
She cries your name
Three times again
She cries your name
How long can this love remain?
Birds which scream for territory
Can learn to sing euphorically
Given time that is revealed??
There's a wasteland in his soul
The burned out trees will leave you cold
Living out beside the hill
She cries your name
Three times again
She cries your name
How long can this love remain?
She cries your name
Three times again
She cries your name
How long can this love remain?
She cries your name
Twelve times again
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How long can this love remain?
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<DIV><STRONG>marc</STRONG> </DIV>
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marc
She cries your name
Falling from the western selves
To find yourself alone again
Wonderin' where you have been
Your lonely voice
Calls across the star lit coast
Reaching out to be seen
She cries your name
Three times again
She cries your name
How long can this love remain?
Scratch beneath the surface screen
Of what we say and what we seem
Is there truth to be seen?
She's cryin' out your name
But her scream sounds the same
How fickle fate can be
She cries your name
Three times again
She cries your name
How long can this love remain?
Birds which scream for territory
Can learn to sing euphorically
Given time that is revealed??
There's a wasteland in his soul
The burned out trees will leave you cold
Living out beside the hill
She cries your name
Three times again
She cries your name
How long can this love remain?
She cries your name
Three times again
She cries your name
How long can this love remain?
She cries your name
Twelve times again
She cries your name
How long can this love remain?
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very own taxes, will understand the compassion below...doubt it
though.</STRONG></DIV>
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<DIV><STRONG>marc</STRONG> </DIV>
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<DIV><A name=1d><STRONG><EM><U><FONT color=#ff8080>She cries your
name<BR></FONT></U></EM></STRONG></A><FONT face=Arial size=2><BR>Fallin=
g from
the western selves<BR>To find yourself alone again<BR>Wonderin' where you h=
ave
been<BR>Your lonely voice<BR>Calls across the star lit coast<BR>Reaching ou=
t to
be seen<BR><BR>She cries your name<BR>Three times again<BR>She cries your=
name<BR>How long can this love remain?<BR><BR>Scratch beneath the surface=
screen<BR>Of what we say and what we seem<BR>Is there truth to be seen?<BR>=
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an
be<BR><BR>She cries your name<BR>Three times again<BR>She cries your name<B=
R>How
long can this love remain?<BR><BR>Birds which scream for territory<BR>Can l=
earn
to sing euphorically<BR>Given time that is revealed??<BR>There's a wastelan=
d in
his soul<BR>The burned out trees will leave you cold<BR>Living out beside t=
he
hill<BR><BR>She cries your name<BR>Three times again<BR>She cries your
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Re: RE: Manufacturing Dissent
Hi Eryk,
Hi Marc;
I was invited to attend a protest rally in Washington DC this weekend. I've=
never been to one. But something I've noticed is that whenever I see them =
on TV, people are dressed really casually. Because I was thinking that if I=
went I would wear a suit and tie, just because every person you see at a r=
ally in dreadlocks and an anarchy tee shirt is one guy whose opinion doesn'=
t matter as far as the media and centrist americans are concerned. If we ha=
d 40,000 protesters in clean hair cuts and respectable suits getting arrest=
ed there would be greater resistance to the war, I bet you a zillion dollar=
s.
Yes, I partly agree with you but back in the years of the Poll Tax in the U=
K. There was a massive march where all sorts turned up against thatchers po=
licies at the time. I witnessed the carnage caused by the many 'Little Men'=
in their nasty gangs hitting women, children and anyone else they could fi=
nd. The Riot Police loved every moment of it (rush of power you see). They =
had obviously been briefed to cause as much pain as possible to let everyon=
e know who was the boss. In the end many marchers got fed up with being bru=
tally bashed by nasty officially 'legalized' thugs & retaliated to protect =
themselves. Causing damage to property and many of the policemen. It's such=
a shame that governments never listen to what it's people's needs are. The=
Riot at Trafalgar Square is one of those examples. When push comes to shov=
e, citizens are swiftly left to rot and what counts is maintaining the illu=
sion of democracy.
I'm not sure if you saw it at all, but I still have an image, the memory of=
a woman, she could of been termed as a normal woman (I suppose) trampled b=
y the police horses. Watching it made feel sick inside, it made me realise =
that people (citizens) are not that valuable, not important, especially one=
's who disagree with imposed non-democratic government policies, and also a=
re willing to go and declare it.
Many people were wearing suits that day also, but to be honest - you'd be c=
lumped whatever you are, whatever you are wearing if you happen to get in t=
he way at the time.
It was a strange experience for me the next day. It was as if I had just be=
en to a movie. The newspapers showed a young, masked women with a long pole=
about to strike a policeman as he was defending himself with his shield. T=
he press mentioned nothing of the ghastly things I and everyone saw. The po=
lice are still arresting anyone who exhibits photographs proving what they =
had done to many people that day. There are still many citizens in hospital=
from that day who have been crippled & brain damaged by their inhumane wra=
th. The media, the government condemned them all as anarchists. Wake up! Ho=
w many anarchist are there out there? It was a mixture of Britain's people'=
s, all united against the corrupt antics of the state.
The recent Anti-War march in London had over 400,000 people from all differ=
ent communities uniting together, trying and change something that they col=
lectively belive is wrong. And, no! It is not wrong to ask governments to s=
top killing civilians, Wally seems to feel it is. He also said that everyon=
e who went was a sheep. Which I thought was a pretty shallow thing to say, =
when there are so many dying out there and definatley much more will, and h=
e's worried about being a sheep, poor little lamb. I listened to the radio =
afterwards and watched the news to see the coverage - sure they covered it,=
but played down the figures, falsified them. And then Tony Blair gave this=
really lame speach on how he understands the feelings of the people of thi=
s nation who do not want imposed wars and more dead, just for oil, or any o=
ther lame-invented reason.
Maybe I'm cynical but the pro-war guys have a massive advantage in the publ=
ic relations department and I think it's stupid to let them have it when al=
l we have to do is tiny things like dress better, like, seriously, we do it=
for job interviews, why don't we do it when there are thousands of lives a=
t stake? Like why dress all casual for a protest if you take it seriously, =
you know? I think protesters should try their hardest to look like republi=
cans. Especially if they're going to get arrested. Imagine media coverage o=
f a guy in a suit and tie and good haircut getting arrested, as opposed to =
a picture of a shaggy haired guy with lots of beads- and that is always who=
you see getting arrested. And most people say "oh well, he's probably smok=
ing pot and doesn't have a real job" which is obviously bullshit but why gi=
ve those people any reason to take this less seriously?
Recently, earlier this year in a place called Bradford in the north of the =
UK. There was some troubles with 'The National Front', causing tensions in =
poor areas. They were stirring up racial tension against the muslims in the=
area and saying that they should be driven out of the country. They had sk=
inhead gangs beating asians up which caused some pretty outraghous riots, t=
he police of course piled in and got in trouble by accidently hitting the w=
rong 'asian-nigger', they accidentally beat up an asian labour politician. =
It was in the press briefly, then as usual the 'whitewash' happened, the mo=
re tirvial news was put on the front pages instead, dulling the issue, noth=
ing has been heard since.
Also while the march was happening in the UK against the War. The media was=
spewing out in contrast loads of crap about an x politian and his sex life=
all over the papers, this of course distrated many from the information ag=
ainst the War.
Anyway I feel like this is also relevant to our behavior towards people wit=
h pro-war stances. If we dismiss people out of hand, aren't we perpetuating=
the issues that lead to war? I mean to be truly pacifist it means more tha=
n being against the war- it's also a method of being against the war in a w=
ay that doesn't perpetuate us vs thems? I mean Wally annoys the shit out of=
me too, just like when I hearing fox news in the other room while I was fi=
xing a meal up, you know, "Fair, Accurate and Unbiased- Fox News!" and then=
the reporter literally said that President Bushes military budget increase=
he passed today would help to "Fight Evil-doers across the globe" and "kee=
p americans safe from those who would do us harm." This was the news report=
er, not like, Karl Rove. Wally strikes me the same way, "I'm open minded an=
d check my facts- see, this article on one of the most notorious right wing=
websites in the world says it's true!" But at the same time, you know, we =
discuss things from the Guardian all the time. Is that any better?
No- the Guardian is not better. What is better, is that civilians take cont=
rol for once in their lame life and declare 'honestly', any where they can,=
that they do not want people being killed for oil. If someone, a civilian =
says that they do not want to see more lives killed - what's wrong with tha=
t? Nothing, yet there ae those who feel that by expressing a human interest=
, you creating propaganda. Give me a break!
Eryk, it is not up to the media to tell us the news anymore, it ain't real.=
It is up to us to find out for ourselves and make a decision/action on wha=
t we find out. By going against the mediated haze that the boggled-eyed wes=
tern world are drowning in, and discovering for ourselves what is real or f=
alse or whatever, brings it back to us, on our own terms. Peopel are genera=
lly lazy, and leave to much to others to give them information, that as we =
both know, very often is misinformation.
Declaring how you feel about something I believe is very important, especia=
lly in these stylized, dis-empowering and mediated days. At present there i=
s a war raging between the globalisation of market forces and the inadequat=
e bombardment of (fascist style), extreme-like religions. Neither of these =
options seems able to move humanity to a place of harmonious sanctity. The =
historical push and pull effect caused by fundamentalist religion and the w=
hite man's soul 'careering', sure is not getting us anywhere useful. So we =
need to get those people who cause pain on a global scale out of their thro=
nes - they need to be toppled. They are not good for the world. So how do w=
e do that, by (like you said) in our own small ways challenging these basta=
rds with our own methods. With one's art, by writing to them by marching, c=
reating your own press and much more. Everyone who has a brain, a soul, a h=
eart and potential of empathy, we can all do their own little bit. Make it =
obvious that what is happening is wrong - rather than cowering behind the s=
tate as though it is a parent.
Is the ordinary person really too docile or uninterested to challenge all t=
his nonsensical, bombastic exploitations? Well, no, but it can seem so. In =
fact a lot of people get offended when one discusses various issues happeni=
ng in the world. As though it is bad manners or something - but excuse me, =
in my book it is bad manners to kill someone, anyone. A lot of people are n=
ot interested in what's happening out there, outside their own small little=
system. America & England are in a dangerous state of denial, if you look =
at the news, listen to Bush/Blair speeches. It seems that everyone is just =
searching for product rather than change.
My main point really is that there's tiny things we can do to have the idea=
s taken more seriously, and I feel like responsibility in our discussions f=
or what we say is important. Like you can attack Wally because he pretends =
he's fair and open minded and you can clearly blow a hole in that logic, bu=
t dismissing people and pretending it's because of spelling errors is a ris=
k I feel like people shouldn't take. Anyone who wants to prove war is bad s=
houldn't give any easy ammo to the opposition, and we shouldn't fire that a=
mmo, either.
In respect of attacking Wally, and your issues around myself supposedly tak=
ing the easy option and snapping at him. Well, the context needs to be clea=
rer here, and I am sure others (hopefully) might get my drift; that I have =
been pretty dedicated for a long time in arguing on various issues, and has=
not all been political. Anyway, it should not be termed as a political ac=
t to care for others. But recently I have grown very, very, very tired of R=
hizome and coming across these 'right-wing people' who do not give a damn a=
bout the issues discussed. They do not share their creativity with anyone, =
in fact have not shown any interest at all in anyone else's work. So why ar=
e they here?
Personally I am very interested in other people's creativity and how they c=
ome about to do what they do - I like to see people shine, it's special and=
it is important. But it seems that the list is not that important anymore,=
almost an embarassment to those upstairs. Don't get me wrong, I think that=
the Rhizome crew are a pretty kool bunch, and they have done wonders in pr=
omoting and declaring to the world the talent that resides on the Internet =
- but putting one self in the position of worrying about how the list is pe=
rcieved by the outside world is not positive. And the policy of not getting=
rid of certain individuals who actually are not interested in sharing idea=
s, rather just imposing them is wrong. Creativity should be free, not suppr=
essed by people who continiously shout people down, just for being creative.
But having said all this, I did not feel great by what I said. Sometimes yo=
u feel that some people are not interested in debating or discussing or mov=
ing on, or questioning their own assumptions/denail and all; so you just la=
sh out back at them for attacking you. I will not do this again, but I am v=
ery sure that there are many on this list who (being human) understand my f=
rustation...
thanx - marc
furtherfield wrote:
Hi Wally,Once you can spell & care little more, may be i'll have time for y=
ou...marc
From: "furtherfield" <info@furtherfield.org>
It's like another McCarthy stint..
Impoetent jingoism! Newspeak is Nospeak. You have it in spuds.
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Hi Marc;
I was invited to attend a protest rally in Washington DC this weekend. I've=
never been to one. But something I've noticed is that whenever I see them =
on TV, people are dressed really casually. Because I was thinking that if I=
went I would wear a suit and tie, just because every person you see at a r=
ally in dreadlocks and an anarchy tee shirt is one guy whose opinion doesn'=
t matter as far as the media and centrist americans are concerned. If we ha=
d 40,000 protesters in clean hair cuts and respectable suits getting arrest=
ed there would be greater resistance to the war, I bet you a zillion dollar=
s.
Yes, I partly agree with you but back in the years of the Poll Tax in the U=
K. There was a massive march where all sorts turned up against thatchers po=
licies at the time. I witnessed the carnage caused by the many 'Little Men'=
in their nasty gangs hitting women, children and anyone else they could fi=
nd. The Riot Police loved every moment of it (rush of power you see). They =
had obviously been briefed to cause as much pain as possible to let everyon=
e know who was the boss. In the end many marchers got fed up with being bru=
tally bashed by nasty officially 'legalized' thugs & retaliated to protect =
themselves. Causing damage to property and many of the policemen. It's such=
a shame that governments never listen to what it's people's needs are. The=
Riot at Trafalgar Square is one of those examples. When push comes to shov=
e, citizens are swiftly left to rot and what counts is maintaining the illu=
sion of democracy.
I'm not sure if you saw it at all, but I still have an image, the memory of=
a woman, she could of been termed as a normal woman (I suppose) trampled b=
y the police horses. Watching it made feel sick inside, it made me realise =
that people (citizens) are not that valuable, not important, especially one=
's who disagree with imposed non-democratic government policies, and also a=
re willing to go and declare it.
Many people were wearing suits that day also, but to be honest - you'd be c=
lumped whatever you are, whatever you are wearing if you happen to get in t=
he way at the time.
It was a strange experience for me the next day. It was as if I had just be=
en to a movie. The newspapers showed a young, masked women with a long pole=
about to strike a policeman as he was defending himself with his shield. T=
he press mentioned nothing of the ghastly things I and everyone saw. The po=
lice are still arresting anyone who exhibits photographs proving what they =
had done to many people that day. There are still many citizens in hospital=
from that day who have been crippled & brain damaged by their inhumane wra=
th. The media, the government condemned them all as anarchists. Wake up! Ho=
w many anarchist are there out there? It was a mixture of Britain's people'=
s, all united against the corrupt antics of the state.
The recent Anti-War march in London had over 400,000 people from all differ=
ent communities uniting together, trying and change something that they col=
lectively belive is wrong. And, no! It is not wrong to ask governments to s=
top killing civilians, Wally seems to feel it is. He also said that everyon=
e who went was a sheep. Which I thought was a pretty shallow thing to say, =
when there are so many dying out there and definatley much more will, and h=
e's worried about being a sheep, poor little lamb. I listened to the radio =
afterwards and watched the news to see the coverage - sure they covered it,=
but played down the figures, falsified them. And then Tony Blair gave this=
really lame speach on how he understands the feelings of the people of thi=
s nation who do not want imposed wars and more dead, just for oil, or any o=
ther lame-invented reason.
Maybe I'm cynical but the pro-war guys have a massive advantage in the publ=
ic relations department and I think it's stupid to let them have it when al=
l we have to do is tiny things like dress better, like, seriously, we do it=
for job interviews, why don't we do it when there are thousands of lives a=
t stake? Like why dress all casual for a protest if you take it seriously, =
you know? I think protesters should try their hardest to look like republi=
cans. Especially if they're going to get arrested. Imagine media coverage o=
f a guy in a suit and tie and good haircut getting arrested, as opposed to =
a picture of a shaggy haired guy with lots of beads- and that is always who=
you see getting arrested. And most people say "oh well, he's probably smok=
ing pot and doesn't have a real job" which is obviously bullshit but why gi=
ve those people any reason to take this less seriously?
Recently, earlier this year in a place called Bradford in the north of the =
UK. There was some troubles with 'The National Front', causing tensions in =
poor areas. They were stirring up racial tension against the muslims in the=
area and saying that they should be driven out of the country. They had sk=
inhead gangs beating asians up which caused some pretty outraghous riots, t=
he police of course piled in and got in trouble by accidently hitting the w=
rong 'asian-nigger', they accidentally beat up an asian labour politician. =
It was in the press briefly, then as usual the 'whitewash' happened, the mo=
re tirvial news was put on the front pages instead, dulling the issue, noth=
ing has been heard since.
Also while the march was happening in the UK against the War. The media was=
spewing out in contrast loads of crap about an x politian and his sex life=
all over the papers, this of course distrated many from the information ag=
ainst the War.
Anyway I feel like this is also relevant to our behavior towards people wit=
h pro-war stances. If we dismiss people out of hand, aren't we perpetuating=
the issues that lead to war? I mean to be truly pacifist it means more tha=
n being against the war- it's also a method of being against the war in a w=
ay that doesn't perpetuate us vs thems? I mean Wally annoys the shit out of=
me too, just like when I hearing fox news in the other room while I was fi=
xing a meal up, you know, "Fair, Accurate and Unbiased- Fox News!" and then=
the reporter literally said that President Bushes military budget increase=
he passed today would help to "Fight Evil-doers across the globe" and "kee=
p americans safe from those who would do us harm." This was the news report=
er, not like, Karl Rove. Wally strikes me the same way, "I'm open minded an=
d check my facts- see, this article on one of the most notorious right wing=
websites in the world says it's true!" But at the same time, you know, we =
discuss things from the Guardian all the time. Is that any better?
No- the Guardian is not better. What is better, is that civilians take cont=
rol for once in their lame life and declare 'honestly', any where they can,=
that they do not want people being killed for oil. If someone, a civilian =
says that they do not want to see more lives killed - what's wrong with tha=
t? Nothing, yet there ae those who feel that by expressing a human interest=
, you creating propaganda. Give me a break!
Eryk, it is not up to the media to tell us the news anymore, it ain't real.=
It is up to us to find out for ourselves and make a decision/action on wha=
t we find out. By going against the mediated haze that the boggled-eyed wes=
tern world are drowning in, and discovering for ourselves what is real or f=
alse or whatever, brings it back to us, on our own terms. Peopel are genera=
lly lazy, and leave to much to others to give them information, that as we =
both know, very often is misinformation.
Declaring how you feel about something I believe is very important, especia=
lly in these stylized, dis-empowering and mediated days. At present there i=
s a war raging between the globalisation of market forces and the inadequat=
e bombardment of (fascist style), extreme-like religions. Neither of these =
options seems able to move humanity to a place of harmonious sanctity. The =
historical push and pull effect caused by fundamentalist religion and the w=
hite man's soul 'careering', sure is not getting us anywhere useful. So we =
need to get those people who cause pain on a global scale out of their thro=
nes - they need to be toppled. They are not good for the world. So how do w=
e do that, by (like you said) in our own small ways challenging these basta=
rds with our own methods. With one's art, by writing to them by marching, c=
reating your own press and much more. Everyone who has a brain, a soul, a h=
eart and potential of empathy, we can all do their own little bit. Make it =
obvious that what is happening is wrong - rather than cowering behind the s=
tate as though it is a parent.
Is the ordinary person really too docile or uninterested to challenge all t=
his nonsensical, bombastic exploitations? Well, no, but it can seem so. In =
fact a lot of people get offended when one discusses various issues happeni=
ng in the world. As though it is bad manners or something - but excuse me, =
in my book it is bad manners to kill someone, anyone. A lot of people are n=
ot interested in what's happening out there, outside their own small little=
system. America & England are in a dangerous state of denial, if you look =
at the news, listen to Bush/Blair speeches. It seems that everyone is just =
searching for product rather than change.
My main point really is that there's tiny things we can do to have the idea=
s taken more seriously, and I feel like responsibility in our discussions f=
or what we say is important. Like you can attack Wally because he pretends =
he's fair and open minded and you can clearly blow a hole in that logic, bu=
t dismissing people and pretending it's because of spelling errors is a ris=
k I feel like people shouldn't take. Anyone who wants to prove war is bad s=
houldn't give any easy ammo to the opposition, and we shouldn't fire that a=
mmo, either.
In respect of attacking Wally, and your issues around myself supposedly tak=
ing the easy option and snapping at him. Well, the context needs to be clea=
rer here, and I am sure others (hopefully) might get my drift; that I have =
been pretty dedicated for a long time in arguing on various issues, and has=
not all been political. Anyway, it should not be termed as a political ac=
t to care for others. But recently I have grown very, very, very tired of R=
hizome and coming across these 'right-wing people' who do not give a damn a=
bout the issues discussed. They do not share their creativity with anyone, =
in fact have not shown any interest at all in anyone else's work. So why ar=
e they here?
Personally I am very interested in other people's creativity and how they c=
ome about to do what they do - I like to see people shine, it's special and=
it is important. But it seems that the list is not that important anymore,=
almost an embarassment to those upstairs. Don't get me wrong, I think that=
the Rhizome crew are a pretty kool bunch, and they have done wonders in pr=
omoting and declaring to the world the talent that resides on the Internet =
- but putting one self in the position of worrying about how the list is pe=
rcieved by the outside world is not positive. And the policy of not getting=
rid of certain individuals who actually are not interested in sharing idea=
s, rather just imposing them is wrong. Creativity should be free, not suppr=
essed by people who continiously shout people down, just for being creative.
But having said all this, I did not feel great by what I said. Sometimes yo=
u feel that some people are not interested in debating or discussing or mov=
ing on, or questioning their own assumptions/denail and all; so you just la=
sh out back at them for attacking you. I will not do this again, but I am v=
ery sure that there are many on this list who (being human) understand my f=
rustation...
thanx - marc
furtherfield wrote:
Hi Wally,Once you can spell & care little more, may be i'll have time for y=
ou...marc
From: "furtherfield" <info@furtherfield.org>
It's like another McCarthy stint..
Impoetent jingoism! Newspeak is Nospeak. You have it in spuds.
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n at least bothering.
For the record: I was one of those who bothered to protest at the inprisonm=
ent of Nelson Mandella and was active in benefit gigs, to fund groups who n=
eeded cash to pay for civil rights' action against South Africa's isolation=
ist & sectarian policies. And when he was released from prison and as the c=
hanges tok place, I realized that it was worth bothering. That is was the r=
ight thing to do, exploitation is wrong, killing is wrong, oppression is wr=
ong, this is obvious and i am glad that I know these type of fundemental th=
ings.
I am also very proud of those, including myself who bothered to try to help=
others in whatever way I can. May be you, yourself can do something useful=
to humanity, to maintain that cultures are not nuked by other cultures - w=
haddya reckon?
marc
I know this woman.
She's a Chechnyan.
Why have the Western peace activists never massed in front of the Russian=
embassy? Ever?
Wally
----- Original Message -----
From: furtherfield
To: list@rhizome.org
Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 4:49 PM
Subject: RHIZOME_RAW: She cries your name
May be those who deny that they are just as responsible as those who pu=
ll the trigger at a head of a another civilian's life paid by their very ow=
n taxes, will understand the compassion below...doubt it though.
marc
She cries your name
Falling from the western selves
To find yourself alone again
Wonderin' where you have been
Your lonely voice
Calls across the star lit coast
Reaching out to be seen
She cries your name
Three times again
She cries your name
How long can this love remain?
Scratch beneath the surface screen
Of what we say and what we seem
Is there truth to be seen?
She's cryin' out your name
But her scream sounds the same
How fickle fate can be
She cries your name
Three times again
She cries your name
How long can this love remain?
Birds which scream for territory
Can learn to sing euphorically
Given time that is revealed??
There's a wasteland in his soul
The burned out trees will leave you cold
Living out beside the hill
She cries your name
Three times again
She cries your name
How long can this love remain?
She cries your name
Three times again
She cries your name
How long can this love remain?
She cries your name
Twelve times again
She cries your name
How long can this love remain?
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<DIV><STRONG>I am the first to admit that one cannot do everything, but I=
believe in at least bothering. </STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG></STRONG> </DIV>
<DIV><STRONG>For the record: I was one of those who bothered to protes=
t at
the inprisonment of Nelson Mandella and was active in benefit gigs, to fund=
groups who needed cash to pay for civil rights' action against South Africa=
's
isolationist & sectarian policies. And when he was released from prison=
and
as the changes tok place, I realized that it was worth bothering. That is w=
as
the right thing to do, exploitation is wrong, killing is wrong, oppression =
is
wrong, this is obvious and i am glad that I know these type of fundemental=
things.</STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG>I am also very proud of those, including myself who bothe=
red
to try to help others in whatever way I can.</STRONG> <STRONG>May be you,=
yourself can do something useful to humanity, to maintain that cultures are=
not
nuked by other cultures - whaddya reckon?</STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG></STRONG> </DIV>
<DIV><STRONG>marc</STRONG><BR></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face="Times New Roman">I know this woman.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Times New Roman">She's a Chechnyan.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Times New Roman">Why have the Western peace activists =
never
massed in front of the Russian embassy? Ever?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Times New Roman">Wally</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>F=
rom:</B>
<A title=info@furtherfield.org
href="mailto:info@furtherfield.org">furtherfield</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=list@rhizome.org=
href="mailto:list@rhizome.org">list@rhizome.org</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, October 24, 2002=
4:49
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> RHIZOME_RAW: She cries =
your
name</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG>May be those who deny that they are just as responsib=
le as
those who pull the trigger at a head of a another civilian's life paid =
by
their very own taxes, will understand the compassion below...doubt it=
though.</STRONG></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><STRONG>marc</STRONG> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><A name=1d><STRONG><EM><U><FONT color=#ff8080>She cries your=
name<BR></FONT></U></EM></STRONG></A><FONT face=Arial size=2><BR>Fa=
lling
from the western selves<BR>To find yourself alone again<BR>Wonderin' wh=
ere
you have been<BR>Your lonely voice<BR>Calls across the star lit
coast<BR>Reaching out to be seen<BR><BR>She cries your name<BR>Three ti=
mes
again<BR>She cries your name<BR>How long can this love
remain?<BR><BR>Scratch beneath the surface screen<BR>Of what we say and=
what
we seem<BR>Is there truth to be seen?<BR>She's cryin' out your name<BR>=
But
her scream sounds the same<BR>How fickle fate can be<BR><BR>She cries y=
our
name<BR>Three times again<BR>She cries your name<BR>How long can this l=
ove
remain?<BR><BR>Birds which scream for territory<BR>Can learn to sing
euphorically<BR>Given time that is revealed??<BR>There's a wasteland in=
his
soul<BR>The burned out trees will leave you cold<BR>Living out beside t=
he
hill<BR><BR>She cries your name<BR>Three times again<BR>She cries your=
name<BR>How long can this love remain?<BR><BR>She cries your name<BR>Th=
ree
times again<BR>She cries your name<BR>How long can this love
remain?<BR><BR>She cries your name<BR>Twelve times again<BR>She cries y=
our
name<BR>How long can this love remain?<BR></FONT></DIV>
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n at least bothering.
For the record: I was one of those who bothered to protest at the inprisonm=
ent of Nelson Mandella and was active in benefit gigs, to fund groups who n=
eeded cash to pay for civil rights' action against South Africa's isolation=
ist & sectarian policies. And when he was released from prison and as the c=
hanges tok place, I realized that it was worth bothering. That is was the r=
ight thing to do, exploitation is wrong, killing is wrong, oppression is wr=
ong, this is obvious and i am glad that I know these type of fundemental th=
ings.
I am also very proud of those, including myself who bothered to try to help=
others in whatever way I can. May be you, yourself can do something useful=
to humanity, to maintain that cultures are not nuked by other cultures - w=
haddya reckon?
marc
I know this woman.
She's a Chechnyan.
Why have the Western peace activists never massed in front of the Russian=
embassy? Ever?
Wally
----- Original Message -----
From: furtherfield
To: list@rhizome.org
Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 4:49 PM
Subject: RHIZOME_RAW: She cries your name
May be those who deny that they are just as responsible as those who pu=
ll the trigger at a head of a another civilian's life paid by their very ow=
n taxes, will understand the compassion below...doubt it though.
marc
She cries your name
Falling from the western selves
To find yourself alone again
Wonderin' where you have been
Your lonely voice
Calls across the star lit coast
Reaching out to be seen
She cries your name
Three times again
She cries your name
How long can this love remain?
Scratch beneath the surface screen
Of what we say and what we seem
Is there truth to be seen?
She's cryin' out your name
But her scream sounds the same
How fickle fate can be
She cries your name
Three times again
She cries your name
How long can this love remain?
Birds which scream for territory
Can learn to sing euphorically
Given time that is revealed??
There's a wasteland in his soul
The burned out trees will leave you cold
Living out beside the hill
She cries your name
Three times again
She cries your name
How long can this love remain?
She cries your name
Three times again
She cries your name
How long can this love remain?
She cries your name
Twelve times again
She cries your name
How long can this love remain?
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<DIV><STRONG>I am the first to admit that one cannot do everything, but I=
believe in at least bothering. </STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG></STRONG> </DIV>
<DIV><STRONG>For the record: I was one of those who bothered to protes=
t at
the inprisonment of Nelson Mandella and was active in benefit gigs, to fund=
groups who needed cash to pay for civil rights' action against South Africa=
's
isolationist & sectarian policies. And when he was released from prison=
and
as the changes tok place, I realized that it was worth bothering. That is w=
as
the right thing to do, exploitation is wrong, killing is wrong, oppression =
is
wrong, this is obvious and i am glad that I know these type of fundemental=
things.</STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG>I am also very proud of those, including myself who bothe=
red
to try to help others in whatever way I can.</STRONG> <STRONG>May be you,=
yourself can do something useful to humanity, to maintain that cultures are=
not
nuked by other cultures - whaddya reckon?</STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG></STRONG> </DIV>
<DIV><STRONG>marc</STRONG><BR></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face="Times New Roman">I know this woman.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Times New Roman">She's a Chechnyan.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Times New Roman">Why have the Western peace activists =
never
massed in front of the Russian embassy? Ever?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Times New Roman">Wally</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>F=
rom:</B>
<A title=info@furtherfield.org
href="mailto:info@furtherfield.org">furtherfield</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=list@rhizome.org=
href="mailto:list@rhizome.org">list@rhizome.org</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, October 24, 2002=
4:49
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> RHIZOME_RAW: She cries =
your
name</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG>May be those who deny that they are just as responsib=
le as
those who pull the trigger at a head of a another civilian's life paid =
by
their very own taxes, will understand the compassion below...doubt it=
though.</STRONG></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><STRONG>marc</STRONG> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><A name=1d><STRONG><EM><U><FONT color=#ff8080>She cries your=
name<BR></FONT></U></EM></STRONG></A><FONT face=Arial size=2><BR>Fa=
lling
from the western selves<BR>To find yourself alone again<BR>Wonderin' wh=
ere
you have been<BR>Your lonely voice<BR>Calls across the star lit
coast<BR>Reaching out to be seen<BR><BR>She cries your name<BR>Three ti=
mes
again<BR>She cries your name<BR>How long can this love
remain?<BR><BR>Scratch beneath the surface screen<BR>Of what we say and=
what
we seem<BR>Is there truth to be seen?<BR>She's cryin' out your name<BR>=
But
her scream sounds the same<BR>How fickle fate can be<BR><BR>She cries y=
our
name<BR>Three times again<BR>She cries your name<BR>How long can this l=
ove
remain?<BR><BR>Birds which scream for territory<BR>Can learn to sing
euphorically<BR>Given time that is revealed??<BR>There's a wasteland in=
his
soul<BR>The burned out trees will leave you cold<BR>Living out beside t=
he
hill<BR><BR>She cries your name<BR>Three times again<BR>She cries your=
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Re: RE: Manufacturing Dissent
It's like another McCarthy stint..
marc
> You may recall there was considerable publicity concerning the potential
starvation of millions
> of Afghans in the absence of aide, given that the U.S. was starting an
extended bombing campaign
> there, was preventing traffic between Afghanistan and other countries at
border points, and the
> Afghan winter was about to set in.
>
> So, yes, the U.S ended up being very generous with both food and bombs.
Just how that would go
> was not clear Oct 18. Extremely unpleasant of Chomsky to assume that the
US would not care
> whether they starved. Perhaps he was thinking of the sanctions against
Iraq which have resulted
> in many thousands of people, young and old, starving to death. Or how the
Kurds were abandoned
> by the U.S to face Iraqi gas once they were no longer of use.
>
> Regardless of who is 'right' and who is 'wrong' it is usually innocent
people who end up dying
> in masses, Wally. In speaking out forcefully concerning the potential
starvation of millions of
> Afghan civilians, at a time when it was very much still a possibility, and
in placing the
> responsibility for averting this on the U.S. government, Chomsky did what
needed to be done at
> the time.
>
> He was not spearheading a "jihad against America", but attempting to do
what he could to avert
> more senseless misery and death.
>
> The article you posted, I note, was from www.frontpagemagazine.com . I
visited that site to see
> what it was like. Here are some of today's headlines from that site:
>
> "Twelve thousand professors have signed a petition urging the President
not to take the war to
> Saddam Hussein; fortunately no one is listening to professors these days."
>
> "Left-wing Fascism: An Intellectual Disorder
> By John J. Ray
> The current left owes more to Mussolini than to Marx."
>
> "They want to kill us all
> Forget the 'root causes', says Mark Steyn. The massacre in Bali was part
of the continuing
> Islamofascist war against the West, and those who ignore it are
sleepwalking to national
> suicide"
>
> Travel, Wally. Have fun. Loosen up. Be kind. Somebody buy this man a beer.
>
> ja
>
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Wally Keeler [mailto:poetburo@sympatico.ca]
> > Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2002 3:36 PM
> > To: Jim Andrews; List@Rhizome. Org
> > Subject: Manufacturing Dissent
> >
> >
> > From: "Jim Andrews" <jim@vispo.com>
> > > We all
> > > know what he has done since then. He is not so much known for his work
as
> > a Linguist now as his
> > > being a conscientious objector and critic of abuses of power,
particularly
> > in the west, and even
> > > more particularly by the United States. And it is the language of
power he
> > pays particular
> > > attention to in the media. "The manufacture of consent" being his most
> > famous description of how
> > > power industrializes discourse, how power machines consent.
> > >
> > > I bring him up because he is really an inspirational figure not only
to
> > activists around the
> > > world ...
> >
> > Noam Chomsky's Jihad Against America
> > By David Horowitz and Ronald Radosh
> > FrontPageMagazine.com | December 19, 2001
> >
> > Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War
against
> > them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort.
> > U.S. Constitution, Article III, Section 3
> >
> > ON OCTOBER 18, eleven days after U.S. military forces began America's
> > response to the monstrous September 11 attacks on the World Trade
Center,
> > Noam Chomsky explained the unfolding events to an audience of 2,000
people
> > who were gathered for a prestigious MIT lecture series. His speech was
> > called "The New War Against Terror" and has been posted on the Internet,
> > broadcast on C-Span and published as a new Chomsky broadside. Weeks
later,
> > as the fighting in Afghanistan reached its highest pitch, Chomsky
appeared
> > in Islamabad to share his views with the Muslim population of Pakistan,
that
> > nuclear and none-too-stable state.
> >
> > Coming a month after the original attacks, and a week after the United
> > States had begun its response, the speech provided a clear picture of
> > Chomsky's analytic process, his use of evidence, and the way in which
the
> > war has crystallized the agendas of Chomsky's lifelong crusade against
his
> > country.
>
>
> + new media rugby
> -> post: list@rhizome.org
> -> questions: info@rhizome.org
> -> subscribe/unsubscribe: http://rhizome.org/preferences/subscribe.rhiz
> -> give: http://rhizome.org/support
> +
> Subscribers to Rhizome are subject to the terms set out in the
> Membership Agreement available online at http://rhizome.org/info/29.php
>
marc
> You may recall there was considerable publicity concerning the potential
starvation of millions
> of Afghans in the absence of aide, given that the U.S. was starting an
extended bombing campaign
> there, was preventing traffic between Afghanistan and other countries at
border points, and the
> Afghan winter was about to set in.
>
> So, yes, the U.S ended up being very generous with both food and bombs.
Just how that would go
> was not clear Oct 18. Extremely unpleasant of Chomsky to assume that the
US would not care
> whether they starved. Perhaps he was thinking of the sanctions against
Iraq which have resulted
> in many thousands of people, young and old, starving to death. Or how the
Kurds were abandoned
> by the U.S to face Iraqi gas once they were no longer of use.
>
> Regardless of who is 'right' and who is 'wrong' it is usually innocent
people who end up dying
> in masses, Wally. In speaking out forcefully concerning the potential
starvation of millions of
> Afghan civilians, at a time when it was very much still a possibility, and
in placing the
> responsibility for averting this on the U.S. government, Chomsky did what
needed to be done at
> the time.
>
> He was not spearheading a "jihad against America", but attempting to do
what he could to avert
> more senseless misery and death.
>
> The article you posted, I note, was from www.frontpagemagazine.com . I
visited that site to see
> what it was like. Here are some of today's headlines from that site:
>
> "Twelve thousand professors have signed a petition urging the President
not to take the war to
> Saddam Hussein; fortunately no one is listening to professors these days."
>
> "Left-wing Fascism: An Intellectual Disorder
> By John J. Ray
> The current left owes more to Mussolini than to Marx."
>
> "They want to kill us all
> Forget the 'root causes', says Mark Steyn. The massacre in Bali was part
of the continuing
> Islamofascist war against the West, and those who ignore it are
sleepwalking to national
> suicide"
>
> Travel, Wally. Have fun. Loosen up. Be kind. Somebody buy this man a beer.
>
> ja
>
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Wally Keeler [mailto:poetburo@sympatico.ca]
> > Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2002 3:36 PM
> > To: Jim Andrews; List@Rhizome. Org
> > Subject: Manufacturing Dissent
> >
> >
> > From: "Jim Andrews" <jim@vispo.com>
> > > We all
> > > know what he has done since then. He is not so much known for his work
as
> > a Linguist now as his
> > > being a conscientious objector and critic of abuses of power,
particularly
> > in the west, and even
> > > more particularly by the United States. And it is the language of
power he
> > pays particular
> > > attention to in the media. "The manufacture of consent" being his most
> > famous description of how
> > > power industrializes discourse, how power machines consent.
> > >
> > > I bring him up because he is really an inspirational figure not only
to
> > activists around the
> > > world ...
> >
> > Noam Chomsky's Jihad Against America
> > By David Horowitz and Ronald Radosh
> > FrontPageMagazine.com | December 19, 2001
> >
> > Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War
against
> > them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort.
> > U.S. Constitution, Article III, Section 3
> >
> > ON OCTOBER 18, eleven days after U.S. military forces began America's
> > response to the monstrous September 11 attacks on the World Trade
Center,
> > Noam Chomsky explained the unfolding events to an audience of 2,000
people
> > who were gathered for a prestigious MIT lecture series. His speech was
> > called "The New War Against Terror" and has been posted on the Internet,
> > broadcast on C-Span and published as a new Chomsky broadside. Weeks
later,
> > as the fighting in Afghanistan reached its highest pitch, Chomsky
appeared
> > in Islamabad to share his views with the Muslim population of Pakistan,
that
> > nuclear and none-too-stable state.
> >
> > Coming a month after the original attacks, and a week after the United
> > States had begun its response, the speech provided a clear picture of
> > Chomsky's analytic process, his use of evidence, and the way in which
the
> > war has crystallized the agendas of Chomsky's lifelong crusade against
his
> > country.
>
>
> + new media rugby
> -> post: list@rhizome.org
> -> questions: info@rhizome.org
> -> subscribe/unsubscribe: http://rhizome.org/preferences/subscribe.rhiz
> -> give: http://rhizome.org/support
> +
> Subscribers to Rhizome are subject to the terms set out in the
> Membership Agreement available online at http://rhizome.org/info/29.php
>