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Marc Garrett is co-director and co-founder, with artist Ruth Catlow of the Internet arts collectives and communities – Furtherfield.org, Furthernoise.org, Netbehaviour.org, also co-founder and co-curator/director of the gallery space formerly known as 'HTTP Gallery' now called the Furtherfield Gallery in London (Finsbury Park), UK. Co-curating various contemporary Media Arts exhibitions, projects nationally and internationally. Co-editor of 'Artists Re:Thinking Games' with Ruth Catlow and Corrado Morgana 2010. Hosted Furtherfield's critically acclaimed weekly broadcast on UK's Resonance FM Radio, a series of hour long live interviews with people working at the edge of contemporary practices in art, technology & social change. Currently doing an Art history Phd at the University of London, Birkbeck College.
Net artist, media artist, curator, writer, street artist, activist, educationalist and musician. Emerging in the late 80′s from the streets exploring creativity via agit-art tactics. Using unofficial, experimental platforms such as the streets, pirate radio such as the locally popular ‘Savage Yet Tender’ alternative broadcasting 1980′s group, net broadcasts, BBS systems, performance, intervention, events, pamphlets, warehouses and gallery spaces. In the early nineties, was co-sysop (systems operator) with Heath Bunting on Cybercafe BBS with Irational.org.
Our mission is to co-create extraordinary art that connects with contemporary audiences providing innovative, engaging and inclusive digital and physical spaces for appreciating and participating in practices in art, technology and social change. As well as finding alternative ways around already dominating hegemonies, thus claiming for ourselves and our peer networks a culturally aware and critical dialogue beyond traditional hierarchical behaviours. Influenced by situationist theory, fluxus, free and open source culture, and processes of self-education and peer learning, in an art, activist and community context.
Net artist, media artist, curator, writer, street artist, activist, educationalist and musician. Emerging in the late 80′s from the streets exploring creativity via agit-art tactics. Using unofficial, experimental platforms such as the streets, pirate radio such as the locally popular ‘Savage Yet Tender’ alternative broadcasting 1980′s group, net broadcasts, BBS systems, performance, intervention, events, pamphlets, warehouses and gallery spaces. In the early nineties, was co-sysop (systems operator) with Heath Bunting on Cybercafe BBS with Irational.org.
Our mission is to co-create extraordinary art that connects with contemporary audiences providing innovative, engaging and inclusive digital and physical spaces for appreciating and participating in practices in art, technology and social change. As well as finding alternative ways around already dominating hegemonies, thus claiming for ourselves and our peer networks a culturally aware and critical dialogue beyond traditional hierarchical behaviours. Influenced by situationist theory, fluxus, free and open source culture, and processes of self-education and peer learning, in an art, activist and community context.
Re: Spears warns against piracy
None of your business - you bitter & twisted sap.
> On Thu, 26 Sep 2002, furtherfield wrote:
>
> > Not anymore, I used to be
>
> Oh right. When was that?
>
> > - keep up with the times.
>
> No, thanks baby. Keeping up with the times
> is mechanical drivel I don't engage in.
> Keep marching tho.
>
>
> On Thu, 26 Sep 2002, furtherfield wrote:
>
> > Not anymore, I used to be
>
> Oh right. When was that?
>
> > - keep up with the times.
>
> No, thanks baby. Keeping up with the times
> is mechanical drivel I don't engage in.
> Keep marching tho.
>
>
Re: Rhizome's Book Club
Hi Eryk,
By coincidence or (micro) collective subconscious connexion - I was listeni=
ng to Stravinsky's Oedipus Rex, opera-oratorio last night; in between burst=
s of Beck, Tubeway Army and some current, local Asian music from London.
I have not been involved recently in various lists such as Rhizome due to a=
big move of living and work space recently. Thankfully, it has freed me up=
to rediscover various music and a valuable chance to reread certain books =
that have been inspirational, enjoyable, disheartening, mind numbing and of=
course thought provoking. Although I usually read a lot anyway, it has bee=
n a time of reevaluation of life matters and shifting of personal beliefs a=
nd non beliefs and the in betweens ones, which usually tend to be more inte=
resting and in the long run, of value. The subject matter of what I have be=
en reading of late has suddenly changed and caused the reopening of vaults =
ion relation to past reading materials.
I tend to read about three books at a time (not all at once of course), and=
they usually have some form of thread connecting them. The thread itself c=
ould be of my own making or a link that has occurred from picking up one b=
ook, or to do with an externally related idea, incidental/information or in=
terest. For me, books are on par to the freedom of music, whether it be dec=
laring one's discovery via the use of a combination of sounds or the amalga=
mation of words; it can be independent, street wise or actively culturally =
aware.
What kept me relatively sane as a young angst ridden, angry dysfunctional t=
eenager (still am one) when bunking off school was the Essex library in Sou=
thend On Sea, a small town about 4o miles outside London. I found out that =
I could find out about all kinds of things in relation civilization and soc=
ial movements world wide as well as local information. I learnt more about =
the world and what it had to offer at the library than at the school I was =
unfortunately trapped in by social conditioning. I was not designed or brou=
ght up to read but decided to anyway, then I realized that I and many of my=
friends were being kept in the dark. I am always interested in why people =
read books, because a lot of people are scared of the intimacy and the dire=
ctness of the power of the written word, for it can challenge ones presumpt=
ions. Especially due to its non interactiveness, its one way, you read and =
take in the content. Not forgetting 'Word Bombs', words with an explosive n=
ature. http://www.altx.com/wordbombs/cadigan.html
One of the books that got me going and kept my imagination fuelled (when I =
was about 13) were books such as 'The Golden Bough' by Sir George Frazer. h=
ttp://www.sacred-texts.com/pag/frazer/ At that time I was in no way able to=
get the full the (undertow) of subtle gist of what was being communicated =
via its text but got the main drift and enjoyed experiencing that magical s=
ense of wonder. This got me interested in various publications by Robert Gr=
aves, such as 'Mythology' which was like reading a fantastical soap opera b=
ut involving Gods and Goddesses and thousands of characters, explorative me=
taphors explaining life and all its untouchable non reasoning. Then I read=
'I, CLAUDIUS', sheesh - times haven't changed much, also a damn good toile=
t read infusing balance for such oracular readings. http://www.kirjasto.sci=
.fi/rgraves.htm
Other books I read around that time were '1984' by George Orwell. And an am=
azing comical book about robots taking over the world and trying to maintai=
n a balanced world yet going all wrong by an author of whom I have forgotte=
n. I began reading various books on politics such as the 'Konstradt Uprisin=
g' and various conspiracies between different factions of that time by diff=
erent writers, plus 'The Spanish Civil War', http://www.geocities.com/Capit=
olHill/9820/.
More recently I have been reading a book by Donah Zohar 'The Quantum Self' =
which is mind blowingly fascinating. Explaining how reality emerges from th=
e quantum world of elementary particles and probability waves. http://www.o=
pengroup.com/pvbooks/074/0747502714.shtml
One of the great things about moving is that you can rediscover records aga=
in that you have not played for a while, and that record was 'lick my Decal=
s off baby' Captain Beefheart. The book I found was 'The Pleasure of Findin=
g Things Out' by Richard P. Feynman. http://www.sykes.easynet.co.uk/pofto.h=
tml 'From his ruminations on science in our culture and descriptions of the=
fantastic properties of quantum physics to his personal recollections of b=
oyhood'. For me, this is addictive reading. I can appreciate and emphasise =
with this conscious and acknowledged shift between the personal, then strai=
ght into to subjects such as physics and nuclear fusion. I have always beli=
eved that science is subjective via humanistic reason; and IQ quoting by gr=
oups such as MENSA are an institutional white elephant, leaving out valid e=
quations such as emotional intelligence and everyday common sense. The meas=
uring of IQ is of course is just as subjective as choosing whether to have =
sugar or jam with your porridge. What I find so inspiring about Richard P. =
Feynman is that he advocates exploring as an everyday activity in life, whi=
ch is definately where my intentions have lied since I was a young snip. So=
exploration, does not have to reside alone in books but also in the way yo=
u live, reinvent one's imposed eugenic code and become your own master.
And yes I am a sucker for James Hillman. For anyone who wants to get into H=
illman gently (not in the literal sense of course - scuze the double whammy=
), I'd recommend 'Blue Fire'. Unlike that idiot Robert Bly, this dude knows=
what he's going on about. He is a Post Jungian, exploring humanity via pol=
ytheistic imaginings, and archetypal references via our use of image from w=
ithin. I got into J.Hillman from when I used to work in homeless hostels, h=
e seemed to be able to explain certain feelings I had around working with b=
roken males. I myself of course was broken and that was why I was working w=
ith males and many were dying from living on the streets. The work I did wa=
s a high stress factor, plus I myself had issues around the hatred of the m=
ale due to the experience of having two crap fathers who were prone to beat=
ing up the whole family. Thus we were under siege all of the time by males =
imposing their own failure of self respect on others, and whilst beating us=
they were really beating themselves. I see a lot of similarities with desp=
ots/dictators and males who pick on others all of the time to decoy themsel=
ves from dealing with their own dysfunction, choosing not to explore the re=
alistic possibilities, potential of personal enlightenment reevaluation. Wo=
rking with vulnerable males has taught me a lot about myself as well as lit=
tle bit of what makes a man tick. http://www.mythosandlogos.com/Hillman.html
a bit of my writings as a ref to the above - sorry ;-)
http://www.dido.uk.net/mgarrett/mg2.htm
http://www.furtherfield.org/mgarrett/mgw/docs/sadism.htm
http://www.furtherfield.org/mgarrett/mgw/docs/killing_by_numbers.htm
http://www.furtherfield.org/mgarrett/mob/windowindex.htm
Another classic as far as I'm concerned is 'beneath the Underground' by Bob=
Black. I've read this book so many times now, it's almost as crinkly as my=
dead grannies ass. A man after my own heart - he gets straight to the nub =
and then crushes delusory movements and ideoligies as though he is merely m=
unching on ready salted crisps (Americans call them potato chips). He holds=
back on the snide backward hatred bantor, and yet possesses enough emotion=
al self respect and self understanding to thoughtfully think about his subj=
ect with a punk, Oscar Wildian zest, which is always a joy to experience wh=
en reading his works. http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe==
UTF-8&q=beneath+the+underground+bob
Then there's Allan Kapprow's 'The Blurring of Art and Life'. A truly inspir=
ational dude who has taken it upon himself to change the world in a way tha=
t can only be viewed as a genuine gesture against the tide of nihilist comp=
liance that still holds creative freedom in chains via institutional protoc=
ol. (Reading about Kaprow's original Happenings in these essays, we realize=
that we don't really remember them, only the millions of knock-offs they i=
nspired. The price of success was Diana Ross chirping that love was "A Happ=
ening," and the New Republic headlining "Bobby Kennedy Is a Happening." Kap=
row disappeared beneath the hype.)
http://128.138.144.71/abr/leonard.html
I've also been keen on reading the works of Bedri Bayakam. His most well kn=
own work is 'monkey's Right to Paint, and the Post-Duchamp Crisis'. Fightin=
g for the right of non-Western artists. His compassion to find a place for =
creative individuals/groups/outsiders of the art world guantlet has earned =
my respect. Not because I am myself a non-Western individual, I am not but =
because of my original very working class background and fucked up family b=
ackground, and that my de-education was imposed and exiled me from getting =
freely involved with art college learning, so I had to find my own route. B=
edri has done much the same in his own way, finding his own way of creating=
a valid platform to inspire those who are not of the circle=jerk sect of=
art arena isolationism. http://www.bedribaykam.com/
And how can one forget Kathy Acker- 'Blood and Guts in High School (1978)',=
which chronicles the life of Janey Smith, a name that translates as "Kathy=
Acker" in her native planet's tongue. Janey's mother dies when she's one. =
Her abusive father abandons her at ten. She travels from the Yucatan to New=
York where she's kidnapped and sold into white slavery, then gets cancer. =
Disgusted, her white master forsakes her. She journeys to the Middle East, =
wanders into the desert, and dies. In the afterlife, she searches for a boo=
k of human transformations, longing to leave behind her alligator shape and=
become a bird. http://www.cafezeitgeist.com/queen.html
Kathy Acker gave me faith in my own writing, I was encouraged by her honest=
emotion. She made emotion visceral as opposed to lilly liberal, using it a=
s an intelligent and playful tool writing so many up front and revelatory b=
ooks.
Another book that I have unearthed is 'Killing For Culture', an illustrated=
history of death film from mondo to snuff. http://www.uncut.dk/UNCUT/anmel=
delser/killingforculture.html NUFF SAID...
Thanx for that Eryk - I enjoyed that, much respect from marc
>
>
>
> So much anger lurking at the midnight to two am hours. Maybe y'all would=
> get along if you made some hot cocoa [marshmallows a must] and curled up=
> with a good book by whatever heat source you can generate [aside from a=
> computer monitor.] Crank up some stravinsky if you like. Then, we can
> all come back refreshed in the morning after a shower and breakfast and=
> discuss the books we have read over a cup of OJ.
>
> Anyone want to handle this one:
> http://www.netstoreusa.com/tabooks/156/1566761131.shtml
>
> Actually, I just picked up a copy of "Edisons Eve: A Magical History of=
> the Quest for Mechanical Life" and have found it to be quite enjoyable.=
> Its focus is mainly on the idea of androids pre-dating the computer, and=
> the history of hoaxes and realized accomplishments from as early as 1797=
> [as far as I am into the book, when a robot that played the flute had
> actually been created and verified.]
>
> I would be glad to relate any information of relevance to the list as it=
> grows uncovered, but I was curious if anyone else has any information to=
> relay that is based on what they have read in a book. For some reason,
> "book learnin" has been taking a bad rap on this list, as if all of us
> are supposed to spontaneously generate concepts and ideas constantly.
>
> I like books! Who is with me?
>
> -e.
>
>
>
>
>
> Max Herman wrote:
>
> >
> >
> >
> > Erah, um, KK wrote "this society" which he said before doesn't exist.=
> > So he's chokin on the spinters like HAL and Rollerball, and if he
> > thinks Madonna has real power but G2K don't, well he's nuttier'n a
> > chiffarobe.
> >
> > He's irate, shootin chaffy, but you know me I dig that, and him too,
> > he's a corker, a snapperoo, little critter.
> >
> > Your gal ain't doodly squat,
> >
> > Herm
> >
> > ++
> >
> >
> >> From: "-IID42 Kandinskij @27+" <death@zaphod.terminal.org>
> >> Reply-To: "-IID42 Kandinskij @27+" <death@zaphod.terminal.org>
> >> To: Wally Keeler <poetburo@sympatico.ca>
> >> CC: Max Herman <maxnmherman@hotmail.com>, <joyeria@walrus.com>, =
> >> <list@rhizome.org>
> >> Subject: Re: RHIZOME_RAW: get your agitprop on...
> >> Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 19:26:00 -0700 (PDT)
> >>
> >> On Tue, 24 Sep 2002, Wally Keeler wrote:
> >>
> >> > Gee, and once you regarded me as a murderous ape.
> >>
> >> The sheep ARE the murderous apes, you idiot.
> >> The impulse to murder is that of an un-evolved, idiotic baa.
> >> Like you.
> >>
> >> Xo.
> >>
> >>
> >> + the assholes playground
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> >> +
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> >> Membership Agreement available online at http://rhizome.org/info/29.php
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > _________________________________________________________________
> > Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com
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>
>
By coincidence or (micro) collective subconscious connexion - I was listeni=
ng to Stravinsky's Oedipus Rex, opera-oratorio last night; in between burst=
s of Beck, Tubeway Army and some current, local Asian music from London.
I have not been involved recently in various lists such as Rhizome due to a=
big move of living and work space recently. Thankfully, it has freed me up=
to rediscover various music and a valuable chance to reread certain books =
that have been inspirational, enjoyable, disheartening, mind numbing and of=
course thought provoking. Although I usually read a lot anyway, it has bee=
n a time of reevaluation of life matters and shifting of personal beliefs a=
nd non beliefs and the in betweens ones, which usually tend to be more inte=
resting and in the long run, of value. The subject matter of what I have be=
en reading of late has suddenly changed and caused the reopening of vaults =
ion relation to past reading materials.
I tend to read about three books at a time (not all at once of course), and=
they usually have some form of thread connecting them. The thread itself c=
ould be of my own making or a link that has occurred from picking up one b=
ook, or to do with an externally related idea, incidental/information or in=
terest. For me, books are on par to the freedom of music, whether it be dec=
laring one's discovery via the use of a combination of sounds or the amalga=
mation of words; it can be independent, street wise or actively culturally =
aware.
What kept me relatively sane as a young angst ridden, angry dysfunctional t=
eenager (still am one) when bunking off school was the Essex library in Sou=
thend On Sea, a small town about 4o miles outside London. I found out that =
I could find out about all kinds of things in relation civilization and soc=
ial movements world wide as well as local information. I learnt more about =
the world and what it had to offer at the library than at the school I was =
unfortunately trapped in by social conditioning. I was not designed or brou=
ght up to read but decided to anyway, then I realized that I and many of my=
friends were being kept in the dark. I am always interested in why people =
read books, because a lot of people are scared of the intimacy and the dire=
ctness of the power of the written word, for it can challenge ones presumpt=
ions. Especially due to its non interactiveness, its one way, you read and =
take in the content. Not forgetting 'Word Bombs', words with an explosive n=
ature. http://www.altx.com/wordbombs/cadigan.html
One of the books that got me going and kept my imagination fuelled (when I =
was about 13) were books such as 'The Golden Bough' by Sir George Frazer. h=
ttp://www.sacred-texts.com/pag/frazer/ At that time I was in no way able to=
get the full the (undertow) of subtle gist of what was being communicated =
via its text but got the main drift and enjoyed experiencing that magical s=
ense of wonder. This got me interested in various publications by Robert Gr=
aves, such as 'Mythology' which was like reading a fantastical soap opera b=
ut involving Gods and Goddesses and thousands of characters, explorative me=
taphors explaining life and all its untouchable non reasoning. Then I read=
'I, CLAUDIUS', sheesh - times haven't changed much, also a damn good toile=
t read infusing balance for such oracular readings. http://www.kirjasto.sci=
.fi/rgraves.htm
Other books I read around that time were '1984' by George Orwell. And an am=
azing comical book about robots taking over the world and trying to maintai=
n a balanced world yet going all wrong by an author of whom I have forgotte=
n. I began reading various books on politics such as the 'Konstradt Uprisin=
g' and various conspiracies between different factions of that time by diff=
erent writers, plus 'The Spanish Civil War', http://www.geocities.com/Capit=
olHill/9820/.
More recently I have been reading a book by Donah Zohar 'The Quantum Self' =
which is mind blowingly fascinating. Explaining how reality emerges from th=
e quantum world of elementary particles and probability waves. http://www.o=
pengroup.com/pvbooks/074/0747502714.shtml
One of the great things about moving is that you can rediscover records aga=
in that you have not played for a while, and that record was 'lick my Decal=
s off baby' Captain Beefheart. The book I found was 'The Pleasure of Findin=
g Things Out' by Richard P. Feynman. http://www.sykes.easynet.co.uk/pofto.h=
tml 'From his ruminations on science in our culture and descriptions of the=
fantastic properties of quantum physics to his personal recollections of b=
oyhood'. For me, this is addictive reading. I can appreciate and emphasise =
with this conscious and acknowledged shift between the personal, then strai=
ght into to subjects such as physics and nuclear fusion. I have always beli=
eved that science is subjective via humanistic reason; and IQ quoting by gr=
oups such as MENSA are an institutional white elephant, leaving out valid e=
quations such as emotional intelligence and everyday common sense. The meas=
uring of IQ is of course is just as subjective as choosing whether to have =
sugar or jam with your porridge. What I find so inspiring about Richard P. =
Feynman is that he advocates exploring as an everyday activity in life, whi=
ch is definately where my intentions have lied since I was a young snip. So=
exploration, does not have to reside alone in books but also in the way yo=
u live, reinvent one's imposed eugenic code and become your own master.
And yes I am a sucker for James Hillman. For anyone who wants to get into H=
illman gently (not in the literal sense of course - scuze the double whammy=
), I'd recommend 'Blue Fire'. Unlike that idiot Robert Bly, this dude knows=
what he's going on about. He is a Post Jungian, exploring humanity via pol=
ytheistic imaginings, and archetypal references via our use of image from w=
ithin. I got into J.Hillman from when I used to work in homeless hostels, h=
e seemed to be able to explain certain feelings I had around working with b=
roken males. I myself of course was broken and that was why I was working w=
ith males and many were dying from living on the streets. The work I did wa=
s a high stress factor, plus I myself had issues around the hatred of the m=
ale due to the experience of having two crap fathers who were prone to beat=
ing up the whole family. Thus we were under siege all of the time by males =
imposing their own failure of self respect on others, and whilst beating us=
they were really beating themselves. I see a lot of similarities with desp=
ots/dictators and males who pick on others all of the time to decoy themsel=
ves from dealing with their own dysfunction, choosing not to explore the re=
alistic possibilities, potential of personal enlightenment reevaluation. Wo=
rking with vulnerable males has taught me a lot about myself as well as lit=
tle bit of what makes a man tick. http://www.mythosandlogos.com/Hillman.html
a bit of my writings as a ref to the above - sorry ;-)
http://www.dido.uk.net/mgarrett/mg2.htm
http://www.furtherfield.org/mgarrett/mgw/docs/sadism.htm
http://www.furtherfield.org/mgarrett/mgw/docs/killing_by_numbers.htm
http://www.furtherfield.org/mgarrett/mob/windowindex.htm
Another classic as far as I'm concerned is 'beneath the Underground' by Bob=
Black. I've read this book so many times now, it's almost as crinkly as my=
dead grannies ass. A man after my own heart - he gets straight to the nub =
and then crushes delusory movements and ideoligies as though he is merely m=
unching on ready salted crisps (Americans call them potato chips). He holds=
back on the snide backward hatred bantor, and yet possesses enough emotion=
al self respect and self understanding to thoughtfully think about his subj=
ect with a punk, Oscar Wildian zest, which is always a joy to experience wh=
en reading his works. http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe==
UTF-8&q=beneath+the+underground+bob
Then there's Allan Kapprow's 'The Blurring of Art and Life'. A truly inspir=
ational dude who has taken it upon himself to change the world in a way tha=
t can only be viewed as a genuine gesture against the tide of nihilist comp=
liance that still holds creative freedom in chains via institutional protoc=
ol. (Reading about Kaprow's original Happenings in these essays, we realize=
that we don't really remember them, only the millions of knock-offs they i=
nspired. The price of success was Diana Ross chirping that love was "A Happ=
ening," and the New Republic headlining "Bobby Kennedy Is a Happening." Kap=
row disappeared beneath the hype.)
http://128.138.144.71/abr/leonard.html
I've also been keen on reading the works of Bedri Bayakam. His most well kn=
own work is 'monkey's Right to Paint, and the Post-Duchamp Crisis'. Fightin=
g for the right of non-Western artists. His compassion to find a place for =
creative individuals/groups/outsiders of the art world guantlet has earned =
my respect. Not because I am myself a non-Western individual, I am not but =
because of my original very working class background and fucked up family b=
ackground, and that my de-education was imposed and exiled me from getting =
freely involved with art college learning, so I had to find my own route. B=
edri has done much the same in his own way, finding his own way of creating=
a valid platform to inspire those who are not of the circle=jerk sect of=
art arena isolationism. http://www.bedribaykam.com/
And how can one forget Kathy Acker- 'Blood and Guts in High School (1978)',=
which chronicles the life of Janey Smith, a name that translates as "Kathy=
Acker" in her native planet's tongue. Janey's mother dies when she's one. =
Her abusive father abandons her at ten. She travels from the Yucatan to New=
York where she's kidnapped and sold into white slavery, then gets cancer. =
Disgusted, her white master forsakes her. She journeys to the Middle East, =
wanders into the desert, and dies. In the afterlife, she searches for a boo=
k of human transformations, longing to leave behind her alligator shape and=
become a bird. http://www.cafezeitgeist.com/queen.html
Kathy Acker gave me faith in my own writing, I was encouraged by her honest=
emotion. She made emotion visceral as opposed to lilly liberal, using it a=
s an intelligent and playful tool writing so many up front and revelatory b=
ooks.
Another book that I have unearthed is 'Killing For Culture', an illustrated=
history of death film from mondo to snuff. http://www.uncut.dk/UNCUT/anmel=
delser/killingforculture.html NUFF SAID...
Thanx for that Eryk - I enjoyed that, much respect from marc
>
>
>
> So much anger lurking at the midnight to two am hours. Maybe y'all would=
> get along if you made some hot cocoa [marshmallows a must] and curled up=
> with a good book by whatever heat source you can generate [aside from a=
> computer monitor.] Crank up some stravinsky if you like. Then, we can
> all come back refreshed in the morning after a shower and breakfast and=
> discuss the books we have read over a cup of OJ.
>
> Anyone want to handle this one:
> http://www.netstoreusa.com/tabooks/156/1566761131.shtml
>
> Actually, I just picked up a copy of "Edisons Eve: A Magical History of=
> the Quest for Mechanical Life" and have found it to be quite enjoyable.=
> Its focus is mainly on the idea of androids pre-dating the computer, and=
> the history of hoaxes and realized accomplishments from as early as 1797=
> [as far as I am into the book, when a robot that played the flute had
> actually been created and verified.]
>
> I would be glad to relate any information of relevance to the list as it=
> grows uncovered, but I was curious if anyone else has any information to=
> relay that is based on what they have read in a book. For some reason,
> "book learnin" has been taking a bad rap on this list, as if all of us
> are supposed to spontaneously generate concepts and ideas constantly.
>
> I like books! Who is with me?
>
> -e.
>
>
>
>
>
> Max Herman wrote:
>
> >
> >
> >
> > Erah, um, KK wrote "this society" which he said before doesn't exist.=
> > So he's chokin on the spinters like HAL and Rollerball, and if he
> > thinks Madonna has real power but G2K don't, well he's nuttier'n a
> > chiffarobe.
> >
> > He's irate, shootin chaffy, but you know me I dig that, and him too,
> > he's a corker, a snapperoo, little critter.
> >
> > Your gal ain't doodly squat,
> >
> > Herm
> >
> > ++
> >
> >
> >> From: "-IID42 Kandinskij @27+" <death@zaphod.terminal.org>
> >> Reply-To: "-IID42 Kandinskij @27+" <death@zaphod.terminal.org>
> >> To: Wally Keeler <poetburo@sympatico.ca>
> >> CC: Max Herman <maxnmherman@hotmail.com>, <joyeria@walrus.com>, =
> >> <list@rhizome.org>
> >> Subject: Re: RHIZOME_RAW: get your agitprop on...
> >> Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 19:26:00 -0700 (PDT)
> >>
> >> On Tue, 24 Sep 2002, Wally Keeler wrote:
> >>
> >> > Gee, and once you regarded me as a murderous ape.
> >>
> >> The sheep ARE the murderous apes, you idiot.
> >> The impulse to murder is that of an un-evolved, idiotic baa.
> >> Like you.
> >>
> >> Xo.
> >>
> >>
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> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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Re: Rhizome's Book Club
Hi Patrick,
Just did a search to find out more about it - mm, when I've got some spare
cash I'll get it.
http://www.sitedish.com/imho/fict/murakam2.html
marc
> I just reread Murakami's 'Wind-Up Bird Chronicles'. Really surreal book.
>
> Want a 'dead' website? find my old web.raex.com/~voyd
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Mark River" <mriver102@yahoo.com>
> To: <list@rhizome.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, September 25, 2002 9:27 AM
> Subject: Re: RHIZOME_RAW: Rhizome's Book Club
>
>
> > I'm reading Pamela Lee's "Object to Be Destroyed: The
> > Work of Gordon Matta-Clark", that t.whid gave to me
> > for my birthday on Sunday.
> >
> > Rough idea to add to the Update series:
> > (mattaclarkupdate)
> >
> > 1. Find and acquire abandoned web site (any leads on
> > this from Rhizomers would be cool)
> >
> > 2. Remove segments of source code
> >
> > 3. Find some code that will refresh the page so that
> > it flips back and forth between the old page and the
> > new "cut" page.
> >
> > 4. Somehow, in the hole that will be created between
> > sites, insert unrealted content.
> >
> > Oh, and for fun I'm reading some PK Dick.
> >
> >
> >
> > <twhid@mteww.com> wrote:
> > > i'm reading "The Way We Live Now" by Trollope
> > > (victorian writer) and
> > > I've just finished "Life On The Mississippi" (kinda
> > > boring) and
> > > "Huck. Finn"(totally flooring) by Twain. I read on
> > > the train
> > > generally. This is the first time in a long time
> > > that i've found time
> > > to read fiction.
> > >
> > > Of course these are all ebooks on my pda (can't go
> > > all the way back
> > > to analog ;-)
> > >
> > > >> I like books! Who is with me?
> > > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > <twhid>
> > > http://www.mteww.com
> > > </twhid>
> > > + the assholes playground
> > > -> post: list@rhizome.org
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> > > Membership Agreement available online at
> > http://rhizome.org/info/29.php
> >
> >
> > =====
> > http://mteww.com
> > http://tinjail.com
> >
> > __________________________________________________
> > Do you Yahoo!?
> > New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo!
> > http://sbc.yahoo.com
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>
Just did a search to find out more about it - mm, when I've got some spare
cash I'll get it.
http://www.sitedish.com/imho/fict/murakam2.html
marc
> I just reread Murakami's 'Wind-Up Bird Chronicles'. Really surreal book.
>
> Want a 'dead' website? find my old web.raex.com/~voyd
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Mark River" <mriver102@yahoo.com>
> To: <list@rhizome.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, September 25, 2002 9:27 AM
> Subject: Re: RHIZOME_RAW: Rhizome's Book Club
>
>
> > I'm reading Pamela Lee's "Object to Be Destroyed: The
> > Work of Gordon Matta-Clark", that t.whid gave to me
> > for my birthday on Sunday.
> >
> > Rough idea to add to the Update series:
> > (mattaclarkupdate)
> >
> > 1. Find and acquire abandoned web site (any leads on
> > this from Rhizomers would be cool)
> >
> > 2. Remove segments of source code
> >
> > 3. Find some code that will refresh the page so that
> > it flips back and forth between the old page and the
> > new "cut" page.
> >
> > 4. Somehow, in the hole that will be created between
> > sites, insert unrealted content.
> >
> > Oh, and for fun I'm reading some PK Dick.
> >
> >
> >
> > <twhid@mteww.com> wrote:
> > > i'm reading "The Way We Live Now" by Trollope
> > > (victorian writer) and
> > > I've just finished "Life On The Mississippi" (kinda
> > > boring) and
> > > "Huck. Finn"(totally flooring) by Twain. I read on
> > > the train
> > > generally. This is the first time in a long time
> > > that i've found time
> > > to read fiction.
> > >
> > > Of course these are all ebooks on my pda (can't go
> > > all the way back
> > > to analog ;-)
> > >
> > > >> I like books! Who is with me?
> > > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > <twhid>
> > > http://www.mteww.com
> > > </twhid>
> > > + the assholes playground
> > > -> post: list@rhizome.org
> > > -> questions: info@rhizome.org
> > > -> subscribe/unsubscribe:
> > > http://rhizome.org/preferences/subscribe.rhiz
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> > > +
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> > > out in the
> > > Membership Agreement available online at
> > http://rhizome.org/info/29.php
> >
> >
> > =====
> > http://mteww.com
> > http://tinjail.com
> >
> > __________________________________________________
> > Do you Yahoo!?
> > New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo!
> > http://sbc.yahoo.com
> > + Barbarians at the XOR-gate
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> >
>
>
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>
Re: Rhizome's Book Club
Hi Ivan,
Can I borrow it?
marc;-)
>
>
> > Spent the last few months working my way through all
> > that's translated of Primo Levi (staggering writer,
> > staggering human being) )
>
> I've always wanted to say this, so I will seize my chance.
> Primo Levi's 'If this is a Man' comes (in the UK, anyway) as a double
volume
> with 'The Truce'. If this is a Man is a staggering work, leaves you
gasping.
> But, The Truce, readable and gripping as it is, is a book of jolly japes
and
> hard times on the road back home. I could not believe that Levi wrote it,
> really. And I could not believe that the publishers could bind it with If
> this is a Man.
>
> Phew. Said it.
>
> I love books also.
>
> Ivan
>
> + Barbarians at the XOR-gate
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>
Can I borrow it?
marc;-)
>
>
> > Spent the last few months working my way through all
> > that's translated of Primo Levi (staggering writer,
> > staggering human being) )
>
> I've always wanted to say this, so I will seize my chance.
> Primo Levi's 'If this is a Man' comes (in the UK, anyway) as a double
volume
> with 'The Truce'. If this is a Man is a staggering work, leaves you
gasping.
> But, The Truce, readable and gripping as it is, is a book of jolly japes
and
> hard times on the road back home. I could not believe that Levi wrote it,
> really. And I could not believe that the publishers could bind it with If
> this is a Man.
>
> Phew. Said it.
>
> I love books also.
>
> Ivan
>
> + Barbarians at the XOR-gate
> -> post: list@rhizome.org
> -> questions: info@rhizome.org
> -> subscribe/unsubscribe: http://rhizome.org/preferences/subscribe.rhiz
> -> give: http://rhizome.org/support
> +
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>
>
Re: RE: RHIZOME_RAW: not Sooo sorry,
Ace!
Thanx Clement - brilliant. Love it...especially 'Dog Mama'.
marc
> dear Ana,
>
> of course it would be more simple to kill the egg in the hen, or to never
> let the magic bean grow up to the sky.
> but, who would find the golden treasure then ?
> Believe me, if cash flow follows trash flows, thus pavu.com's plining
> technology will assure you the best value in upgrade.
> Flame floods and spams are the natural catastrophes of the mailing lists,
> and you can't hide from an stormquaker by reading THE hazebook with
> sunglasses.
>
> of course, if Wonder Woman is not the solution you expected to get ride of
> these stallonic stickists, i may suggest soft therapy.
>
> you believe in sychotherapy but don't trust the doctor ?
> Sing the trashmails and make new friends for free.
> http://ctgr.free.fr/ctgr-chante/index.html
> -/ don't trash your trash mails, sing it ! /-
> btw,
> "Grow up people and insult each other privately, please."
> is a very good title for a flame song.
>
> with all my love,
>
> OG
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "ana l. valdes" <agora@algonet.se>
> To: "-IID42 Kandinskij @27+" <death@zaphod.terminal.org>
> Cc: "Doug Lewis" <dlewis@wag.mb.ca>; <sbrockbank@krokodile.co.uk>;
> <list@rhizome.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, September 25, 2002 8:36 AM
> Subject: Re: RHIZOME_RAW: RE: RHIZOME_RAW: not Sooo sorry,
>
>
> >
> > If someone is a pathetic twit or a imbecile frog or other, I don't care.
> Why
> > discharge in a public list all these childish invectives? Grow up people
> and
> > insult each other privately, please.
> > Ana
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > "-IID42 Kandinskij @27+" wrote:
> >
> > > > From: sbrockbank@krokodile.co.uk [SMTP:sbrockbank@krokodile.co.uk]
> > >
> > > > the question is why people writing on the Rhizome list continue to
> function
> > > > in this way. Are the new mediums supposed to be different or not? Is
> this
> > > > list really that different from the phantasmagoria of hollywood and
> the
> > > > associated media? Or are the new media just a continuation of the
> > > > reactionary phantasies of the wired contingent?
> > > >
> > > > regards
> > > > steve
> > >
> > > I'll give you one very easy answer--they don't.
> > > You have an idiotic function you've set up in your brain,
> > > one that makes you feel you're 'superior' and 'have americans
> > > figured out'--and you will keep attempting to enforce that fraudule=
nt
> > > stereotype on them until you die. And you will, so perceptively
> > > continue to pose--but why dont they stop acting that way?
> > >
> > > THEY NEVER STARTED TO BEGIN WITH; YOU PATHETIC TWIT!
> > >
> > > Love.
> > >
> > > Ditz.
> > >
> >
> > "-IID42 Kandinskij @27+" wrote:
> >
> > > > From: sbrockbank@krokodile.co.uk [SMTP:sbrockbank@krokodile.co.uk]
> > >
> > > > the question is why people writing on the Rhizome list continue to
> function
> > > > in this way. Are the new mediums supposed to be different or not? Is
> this
> > > > list really that different from the phantasmagoria of hollywood and
> the
> > > > associated media? Or are the new media just a continuation of the
> > > > reactionary phantasies of the wired contingent?
> > > >
> > > > regards
> > > > steve
> > >
> > > I'll give you one very easy answer--they don't.
> > > You have an idiotic function you've set up in your brain,
> > > one that makes you feel you're 'superior' and 'have americans
> > > figured out'--and you will keep attempting to enforce that fraudule=
nt
> > > stereotype on them until you die. And you will, so perceptively
> > > continue to pose--but why dont they stop acting that way?
> > >
> > > THEY NEVER STARTED TO BEGIN WITH; YOU PATHETIC TWIT!
> > >
> > > Love.
> > >
> > > Ditz.
> > >
> > > + the assholes playground
> > > -> post: list@rhizome.org
> > > -> questions: info@rhizome.org
> > > -> subscribe/unsubscribe: http://rhizome.org/preferences/subscribe.rh=
iz
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> > > +
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> > > Membership Agreement available online at http://rhizome.org/info/29.p=
hp
> >
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>
Thanx Clement - brilliant. Love it...especially 'Dog Mama'.
marc
> dear Ana,
>
> of course it would be more simple to kill the egg in the hen, or to never
> let the magic bean grow up to the sky.
> but, who would find the golden treasure then ?
> Believe me, if cash flow follows trash flows, thus pavu.com's plining
> technology will assure you the best value in upgrade.
> Flame floods and spams are the natural catastrophes of the mailing lists,
> and you can't hide from an stormquaker by reading THE hazebook with
> sunglasses.
>
> of course, if Wonder Woman is not the solution you expected to get ride of
> these stallonic stickists, i may suggest soft therapy.
>
> you believe in sychotherapy but don't trust the doctor ?
> Sing the trashmails and make new friends for free.
> http://ctgr.free.fr/ctgr-chante/index.html
> -/ don't trash your trash mails, sing it ! /-
> btw,
> "Grow up people and insult each other privately, please."
> is a very good title for a flame song.
>
> with all my love,
>
> OG
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "ana l. valdes" <agora@algonet.se>
> To: "-IID42 Kandinskij @27+" <death@zaphod.terminal.org>
> Cc: "Doug Lewis" <dlewis@wag.mb.ca>; <sbrockbank@krokodile.co.uk>;
> <list@rhizome.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, September 25, 2002 8:36 AM
> Subject: Re: RHIZOME_RAW: RE: RHIZOME_RAW: not Sooo sorry,
>
>
> >
> > If someone is a pathetic twit or a imbecile frog or other, I don't care.
> Why
> > discharge in a public list all these childish invectives? Grow up people
> and
> > insult each other privately, please.
> > Ana
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > "-IID42 Kandinskij @27+" wrote:
> >
> > > > From: sbrockbank@krokodile.co.uk [SMTP:sbrockbank@krokodile.co.uk]
> > >
> > > > the question is why people writing on the Rhizome list continue to
> function
> > > > in this way. Are the new mediums supposed to be different or not? Is
> this
> > > > list really that different from the phantasmagoria of hollywood and
> the
> > > > associated media? Or are the new media just a continuation of the
> > > > reactionary phantasies of the wired contingent?
> > > >
> > > > regards
> > > > steve
> > >
> > > I'll give you one very easy answer--they don't.
> > > You have an idiotic function you've set up in your brain,
> > > one that makes you feel you're 'superior' and 'have americans
> > > figured out'--and you will keep attempting to enforce that fraudule=
nt
> > > stereotype on them until you die. And you will, so perceptively
> > > continue to pose--but why dont they stop acting that way?
> > >
> > > THEY NEVER STARTED TO BEGIN WITH; YOU PATHETIC TWIT!
> > >
> > > Love.
> > >
> > > Ditz.
> > >
> >
> > "-IID42 Kandinskij @27+" wrote:
> >
> > > > From: sbrockbank@krokodile.co.uk [SMTP:sbrockbank@krokodile.co.uk]
> > >
> > > > the question is why people writing on the Rhizome list continue to
> function
> > > > in this way. Are the new mediums supposed to be different or not? Is
> this
> > > > list really that different from the phantasmagoria of hollywood and
> the
> > > > associated media? Or are the new media just a continuation of the
> > > > reactionary phantasies of the wired contingent?
> > > >
> > > > regards
> > > > steve
> > >
> > > I'll give you one very easy answer--they don't.
> > > You have an idiotic function you've set up in your brain,
> > > one that makes you feel you're 'superior' and 'have americans
> > > figured out'--and you will keep attempting to enforce that fraudule=
nt
> > > stereotype on them until you die. And you will, so perceptively
> > > continue to pose--but why dont they stop acting that way?
> > >
> > > THEY NEVER STARTED TO BEGIN WITH; YOU PATHETIC TWIT!
> > >
> > > Love.
> > >
> > > Ditz.
> > >
> > > + the assholes playground
> > > -> post: list@rhizome.org
> > > -> questions: info@rhizome.org
> > > -> subscribe/unsubscribe: http://rhizome.org/preferences/subscribe.rh=
iz
> > > -> give: http://rhizome.org/support
> > > +
> > > Subscribers to Rhizome are subject to the terms set out in the
> > > Membership Agreement available online at http://rhizome.org/info/29.p=
hp
> >
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> >
>
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