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BIO
Marc Garrett is co-director and co-founder, with artist Ruth Catlow of the Internet arts collectives and communities – Furtherfield.org, Furthernoise.org, Netbehaviour.org, also co-founder and co-curator/director of the gallery space formerly known as 'HTTP Gallery' now called the Furtherfield Gallery in London (Finsbury Park), UK. Co-curating various contemporary Media Arts exhibitions, projects nationally and internationally. Co-editor of 'Artists Re:Thinking Games' with Ruth Catlow and Corrado Morgana 2010. Hosted Furtherfield's critically acclaimed weekly broadcast on UK's Resonance FM Radio, a series of hour long live interviews with people working at the edge of contemporary practices in art, technology & social change. Currently doing an Art history Phd at the University of London, Birkbeck College.
Net artist, media artist, curator, writer, street artist, activist, educationalist and musician. Emerging in the late 80′s from the streets exploring creativity via agit-art tactics. Using unofficial, experimental platforms such as the streets, pirate radio such as the locally popular ‘Savage Yet Tender’ alternative broadcasting 1980′s group, net broadcasts, BBS systems, performance, intervention, events, pamphlets, warehouses and gallery spaces. In the early nineties, was co-sysop (systems operator) with Heath Bunting on Cybercafe BBS with Irational.org.
Our mission is to co-create extraordinary art that connects with contemporary audiences providing innovative, engaging and inclusive digital and physical spaces for appreciating and participating in practices in art, technology and social change. As well as finding alternative ways around already dominating hegemonies, thus claiming for ourselves and our peer networks a culturally aware and critical dialogue beyond traditional hierarchical behaviours. Influenced by situationist theory, fluxus, free and open source culture, and processes of self-education and peer learning, in an art, activist and community context.
Net artist, media artist, curator, writer, street artist, activist, educationalist and musician. Emerging in the late 80′s from the streets exploring creativity via agit-art tactics. Using unofficial, experimental platforms such as the streets, pirate radio such as the locally popular ‘Savage Yet Tender’ alternative broadcasting 1980′s group, net broadcasts, BBS systems, performance, intervention, events, pamphlets, warehouses and gallery spaces. In the early nineties, was co-sysop (systems operator) with Heath Bunting on Cybercafe BBS with Irational.org.
Our mission is to co-create extraordinary art that connects with contemporary audiences providing innovative, engaging and inclusive digital and physical spaces for appreciating and participating in practices in art, technology and social change. As well as finding alternative ways around already dominating hegemonies, thus claiming for ourselves and our peer networks a culturally aware and critical dialogue beyond traditional hierarchical behaviours. Influenced by situationist theory, fluxus, free and open source culture, and processes of self-education and peer learning, in an art, activist and community context.
Dangling on the gropesome
Keep the discussion to art
as the wind stretches
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
------------it yawns
-------------------------across broken lands
------------------------------------------------brushing over lost bodies
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
---disparate and battered
-------------------------------------------------they are blown, scattered
into a state
---------------------of timeless disposability
------------------------------------------------------------who knows how
much human body-waste
----------------------------------the wind has witnessed
as histories soul bleachers
---------------------------------------------------------------educators of
the singular
------------------------------------------------------------create yet
another bombast, carnage path
-------------------for others to unwillingly adhere to
------------------------------------------------------------this wind
-----------------------------------------------------------------------part
of the nature scene
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
-------has seen
------------------------------------------------------------too many things
------------------------------------------------------------if only it could
blow away all the pains,
------------------------------------------------------------cleanse this
shabby place
of places
------------------------------------------------------------it blows
through, above and over
------------------------------------------------------not able, unable to
change what is blown apart
-----------a crumpled psyche
--------------------------------in a world dissected by mythology, dreams
and ideals
---------------------------------------------tired inventions and
pretensions of what could be
--------------------------------and some have been too willing to be
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
what they cannot be
--------------------------------Humanity = YOU &
ME-------------------------------is a dying bird
--------------------------------us, the other birds
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
--watch...
---------------------------------------------------flapping around hovering
in the wind
---------------------------------------------------waiting to see which way
the wind will blow
others
outside
flew by
looking in
------------morals come and go
-----------------------------------yet we will never know
--------------------------------------------------------------why we waste
our time
--------------------------------------------------------------creating each
one of them
time grinds on
----------------leaving the dead behind
-mere memories
-------------------as life rushes ever onwards around it
the bombing has paused.......
--------------------------------here lies a dying woman
-----------------------------------------------------------not just a woman
but a woman who knows the wrath of insecure masculinity
she thinks......
----------------------------------------------------------------are we all
merely
headless lost creatures?
here I lie
----------one leg less
-----------------------and many dreams less
if only the tears
t----h-----a-------t which -------------------------------------------I
churn
------------------------------------------------could fill the gap blown
asunder
are we tomorrow's ghosts
-----------------------------laying down snares
---------------------------------------------------for future dead-lives?
dead is gone
-------------------------------------------------------------------lost is
not found
end is
- finish
--------------------------------------------------surely there's hope
----------------------------------------------------------once we've
realized, loss of hope
-------------------------------------------------------caught between
non-reason and hope
---------------------------------------------------------dangling on the
gropesome
-------------------------------------------------------------x mark's the
spot
-------------------------------------------------------mapped out, worn out
and the wind?
It still blows--------------------------------------------------------------
as the wind stretches
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
------------it yawns
-------------------------across broken lands
------------------------------------------------brushing over lost bodies
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
---disparate and battered
-------------------------------------------------they are blown, scattered
into a state
---------------------of timeless disposability
------------------------------------------------------------who knows how
much human body-waste
----------------------------------the wind has witnessed
as histories soul bleachers
---------------------------------------------------------------educators of
the singular
------------------------------------------------------------create yet
another bombast, carnage path
-------------------for others to unwillingly adhere to
------------------------------------------------------------this wind
-----------------------------------------------------------------------part
of the nature scene
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
-------has seen
------------------------------------------------------------too many things
------------------------------------------------------------if only it could
blow away all the pains,
------------------------------------------------------------cleanse this
shabby place
of places
------------------------------------------------------------it blows
through, above and over
------------------------------------------------------not able, unable to
change what is blown apart
-----------a crumpled psyche
--------------------------------in a world dissected by mythology, dreams
and ideals
---------------------------------------------tired inventions and
pretensions of what could be
--------------------------------and some have been too willing to be
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
what they cannot be
--------------------------------Humanity = YOU &
ME-------------------------------is a dying bird
--------------------------------us, the other birds
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
--watch...
---------------------------------------------------flapping around hovering
in the wind
---------------------------------------------------waiting to see which way
the wind will blow
others
outside
flew by
looking in
------------morals come and go
-----------------------------------yet we will never know
--------------------------------------------------------------why we waste
our time
--------------------------------------------------------------creating each
one of them
time grinds on
----------------leaving the dead behind
-mere memories
-------------------as life rushes ever onwards around it
the bombing has paused.......
--------------------------------here lies a dying woman
-----------------------------------------------------------not just a woman
but a woman who knows the wrath of insecure masculinity
she thinks......
----------------------------------------------------------------are we all
merely
headless lost creatures?
here I lie
----------one leg less
-----------------------and many dreams less
if only the tears
t----h-----a-------t which -------------------------------------------I
churn
------------------------------------------------could fill the gap blown
asunder
are we tomorrow's ghosts
-----------------------------laying down snares
---------------------------------------------------for future dead-lives?
dead is gone
-------------------------------------------------------------------lost is
not found
end is
- finish
--------------------------------------------------surely there's hope
----------------------------------------------------------once we've
realized, loss of hope
-------------------------------------------------------caught between
non-reason and hope
---------------------------------------------------------dangling on the
gropesome
-------------------------------------------------------------x mark's the
spot
-------------------------------------------------------mapped out, worn out
and the wind?
It still blows--------------------------------------------------------------
Re: Ten Million Hits
WELCOME TO THE 'OLD BOYS CLUB 'OF RHIZOME
WHERE IF YOU WANT TO DISCUSS A SUBJECT -
YOU ARE PERSONALLY ABUSED AND TREATED
BADLY BY THOSE WHO NOT CREATE THEIR
WORK. A Big THANX TO THE RHIZOME TEAM
FOR STANDING UP FOR ONE WANKER, SO THE
MANY HAVE TO SUFFER....THINGS NEED TO
CHANGE - NOW!
MARC GARRETT - FEDUP WITH RHIZOME'S
BLOKE GAMES...
> On Tue, 8 Oct 2002 dgoldsch@tampabay.rr.com wrote:
>
> > ivan, that was hillllarious. i loved the tone of your reply ...
although i am
> > sure he didn't get it.
>
> Oh right. Because I don't play along with his imbecility, 'I don't get
> it'. The new common sense-elitism.
>
> > in my opinion,
>
> Which is worth zero.
>
> > he can only see words and simple sentences
>
> Wishful derogatory projection + absolutely false.
>
> > (i don't think
> > english is not his primary language) ... which would also explain why he
> > misinterprets so much.
>
> I don't misinterpret anything luv. None of you have anactual
> understanding of what you are DOING when you are LANGUAGING.
> Besides the drivel programmed in your brains, that is.
>
> > he thinks he can destroy an idea by de-constructing individual words
>
> I think nothing of the sort. In fact, I don't think.
> Your myopic misinterpretations of what Ido are drivel.
> And your 'ideas' are little but brain-born chimeras.
>
> > its a very immature form of literary critique.
>
> Wishful derogatory projection.
> It's neither critique, nor literary, nor even anywhere within the area.
> You've gota LONG way to go before you can hear what I'm doing, luv.
>
> > his
> > reading comprehension skills are at a highschool level.
>
> Dearest--you're talking about yourself.
> 'reading comprehension'--that term only has meaning to someone whose
> head has been fucked over by a destructive educational system.
> Looks like in your particular case they run over your head
> multile times.
>
> + the Patty Winters show this morning was about Real-Life Rambos.
> -> post: list@rhizome.org
> -> questions: info@rhizome.org
> -> subscribe/unsubscribe: http://rhizome.org/preferences/subscribe.rhiz
> -> give: http://rhizome.org/support
> +
> Subscribers to Rhizome are subject to the terms set out in the
> Membership Agreement available online at http://rhizome.org/info/29.php
>
>
WHERE IF YOU WANT TO DISCUSS A SUBJECT -
YOU ARE PERSONALLY ABUSED AND TREATED
BADLY BY THOSE WHO NOT CREATE THEIR
WORK. A Big THANX TO THE RHIZOME TEAM
FOR STANDING UP FOR ONE WANKER, SO THE
MANY HAVE TO SUFFER....THINGS NEED TO
CHANGE - NOW!
MARC GARRETT - FEDUP WITH RHIZOME'S
BLOKE GAMES...
> On Tue, 8 Oct 2002 dgoldsch@tampabay.rr.com wrote:
>
> > ivan, that was hillllarious. i loved the tone of your reply ...
although i am
> > sure he didn't get it.
>
> Oh right. Because I don't play along with his imbecility, 'I don't get
> it'. The new common sense-elitism.
>
> > in my opinion,
>
> Which is worth zero.
>
> > he can only see words and simple sentences
>
> Wishful derogatory projection + absolutely false.
>
> > (i don't think
> > english is not his primary language) ... which would also explain why he
> > misinterprets so much.
>
> I don't misinterpret anything luv. None of you have anactual
> understanding of what you are DOING when you are LANGUAGING.
> Besides the drivel programmed in your brains, that is.
>
> > he thinks he can destroy an idea by de-constructing individual words
>
> I think nothing of the sort. In fact, I don't think.
> Your myopic misinterpretations of what Ido are drivel.
> And your 'ideas' are little but brain-born chimeras.
>
> > its a very immature form of literary critique.
>
> Wishful derogatory projection.
> It's neither critique, nor literary, nor even anywhere within the area.
> You've gota LONG way to go before you can hear what I'm doing, luv.
>
> > his
> > reading comprehension skills are at a highschool level.
>
> Dearest--you're talking about yourself.
> 'reading comprehension'--that term only has meaning to someone whose
> head has been fucked over by a destructive educational system.
> Looks like in your particular case they run over your head
> multile times.
>
> + the Patty Winters show this morning was about Real-Life Rambos.
> -> post: list@rhizome.org
> -> questions: info@rhizome.org
> -> subscribe/unsubscribe: http://rhizome.org/preferences/subscribe.rhiz
> -> give: http://rhizome.org/support
> +
> Subscribers to Rhizome are subject to the terms set out in the
> Membership Agreement available online at http://rhizome.org/info/29.php
>
>
Re: Ten Million Hits
Yet another knee-jerk cutout statement form the BOT...
> On Wed, 9 Oct 2002, furtherfield wrote:
>
> > WELCOME TO THE 'OLD BOYS CLUB 'OF RHIZOME
>
> Oh goodie. Yet another knee-jerk cutout.
> You don't even understand what OLD BOYS CLUB
> is--you're only pissing your energy away
> in some pseudo-rebellious pose.
>
> > WHERE IF YOU WANT TO DISCUSS A SUBJECT -
>
> Discussing a subject is an OLD BOYS CLUB trick.
>
> > YOU ARE PERSONALLY ABUSED
>
> No, none of it is PERSONAL.
> Nor are you ABUSED--you're abusing yourself.
>
> > AND TREATED BADLY
>
> You are not 'treated badly'.
> Get over your diaper-baby 'self'.
>
> > BY THOSE WHO NOT CREATE THEIR WORK.
>
> Sorry baby--I do CREATE my work, and unlike you
> I am actually capable of CREATING IT, rather than this make-do
> cut & paste masturbatory exercise you attempt to pass on as
> 'creation'.
>
> > A Big THANX TO THE RHIZOME TEAM
>
> Guilt tripping juvenilia.
>
> > FOR STANDING UP FOR ONE WANKER,
>
> Yes I think SINGULAR WANKERS who do not PRETEND to havea MOB behind
> them should be killed off.
>
> Too bad that you're talking about yourself--half-assedly taking the
> lone hero stance but pretending you're doing it for 'the good of the
> people'--please. You're a baby who cannot handle his own panties,
> and passive-aggressively attempting to dictate rhizome policies
> by screaming VICTIM and martyring yourself out--and pretending to know
> what's 'best for all''--TRULY an OLD BOYS CLUB tactic.
> That's why they distribute medals amongst themselves.
>
>
> > SO THE MANY HAVE TO SUFFER.
>
> Cry me a river, imbecile.
>
> > THINGS NEED TO CHANGE - NOW!
>
>
> Yes! WE NEED A REVOLUTION: BLOOD GUTS AND MURDER OF THAT 'ONE WANKER'.
> JUSTIFIED MURDER AND VICTIMIZATION NOW!! EVERYONE RALLY BEHIND THE GREAT
> HUMANITARIAN von FURTHERFIELD NOW!
>
> > MARC GARRETT - FEDUP WITH RHIZOME'S
> > BLOKE GAMES...
>
> The only 'bloke games' player here is you baby.
>
> Funny how you attempt to IMPOSE YOUR FRAUDULENT 'AUTHORITY'
> in sneakish ways--who? me? No.. I'm not an authority! I just
> want everyone to do what I say!
>
> All your 'piddling' 'revolutions' about authority is because
> you don't want someone to have the ability to say that you cant
> act like an imbecilic 2 yr old and then pass that on as mature and
> enlightened art.
>
> And this is the standard mechanism of pseudo-anarchistic
> 'rebellion'--keep them dense and dumb and ruled by their
> mechanical instinctual impulses. Anyone who dares
> to point out your pitiful stare with certainty must be 'daddy'
> and we all know 'daddys are bad'.
>
> Drivel.
>
> `, . ` `k a r e i' ? ' D42
>
>
> On Wed, 9 Oct 2002, furtherfield wrote:
>
> > WELCOME TO THE 'OLD BOYS CLUB 'OF RHIZOME
>
> Oh goodie. Yet another knee-jerk cutout.
> You don't even understand what OLD BOYS CLUB
> is--you're only pissing your energy away
> in some pseudo-rebellious pose.
>
> > WHERE IF YOU WANT TO DISCUSS A SUBJECT -
>
> Discussing a subject is an OLD BOYS CLUB trick.
>
> > YOU ARE PERSONALLY ABUSED
>
> No, none of it is PERSONAL.
> Nor are you ABUSED--you're abusing yourself.
>
> > AND TREATED BADLY
>
> You are not 'treated badly'.
> Get over your diaper-baby 'self'.
>
> > BY THOSE WHO NOT CREATE THEIR WORK.
>
> Sorry baby--I do CREATE my work, and unlike you
> I am actually capable of CREATING IT, rather than this make-do
> cut & paste masturbatory exercise you attempt to pass on as
> 'creation'.
>
> > A Big THANX TO THE RHIZOME TEAM
>
> Guilt tripping juvenilia.
>
> > FOR STANDING UP FOR ONE WANKER,
>
> Yes I think SINGULAR WANKERS who do not PRETEND to havea MOB behind
> them should be killed off.
>
> Too bad that you're talking about yourself--half-assedly taking the
> lone hero stance but pretending you're doing it for 'the good of the
> people'--please. You're a baby who cannot handle his own panties,
> and passive-aggressively attempting to dictate rhizome policies
> by screaming VICTIM and martyring yourself out--and pretending to know
> what's 'best for all''--TRULY an OLD BOYS CLUB tactic.
> That's why they distribute medals amongst themselves.
>
>
> > SO THE MANY HAVE TO SUFFER.
>
> Cry me a river, imbecile.
>
> > THINGS NEED TO CHANGE - NOW!
>
>
> Yes! WE NEED A REVOLUTION: BLOOD GUTS AND MURDER OF THAT 'ONE WANKER'.
> JUSTIFIED MURDER AND VICTIMIZATION NOW!! EVERYONE RALLY BEHIND THE GREAT
> HUMANITARIAN von FURTHERFIELD NOW!
>
> > MARC GARRETT - FEDUP WITH RHIZOME'S
> > BLOKE GAMES...
>
> The only 'bloke games' player here is you baby.
>
> Funny how you attempt to IMPOSE YOUR FRAUDULENT 'AUTHORITY'
> in sneakish ways--who? me? No.. I'm not an authority! I just
> want everyone to do what I say!
>
> All your 'piddling' 'revolutions' about authority is because
> you don't want someone to have the ability to say that you cant
> act like an imbecilic 2 yr old and then pass that on as mature and
> enlightened art.
>
> And this is the standard mechanism of pseudo-anarchistic
> 'rebellion'--keep them dense and dumb and ruled by their
> mechanical instinctual impulses. Anyone who dares
> to point out your pitiful stare with certainty must be 'daddy'
> and we all know 'daddys are bad'.
>
> Drivel.
>
> `, . ` `k a r e i' ? ' D42
>
>
Re: Ten Million Hits
you sound like some little boy...
> On Wed, 9 Oct 2002, marc.garrett wrote:
>
> > You're pretty hung up on this word
>
> I am not hung up on anything, least of all words.
> Your wishful derogatory projections are little but
> murderous impulses due to your inability to handle reality.
>
> > - authority -
>
> Actually the one 'hung up' about the word is you--hence you knee
> jerk evey time it's brought up.
>
> > plus you repeat many words
>
> No dearest. I don't repeat words.
> I use words as are appropriate.
> In many cases as relevant--they're the same outwardly.
>
> I suggest you try re-reading what I said.
> PARROTING is not what appears as 'repeating' to you.
>
> In your flat myopic perception of the world, no doubt
> the change of seasons brings the SAME season again, ne?
> This spring is the same as last spring. EXACTLY.
>
> > - BOT.
>
> The only one a bot here is you, luv.
> Until you deal with your shell you're not capable of perceptions
> outside of 'yourself'.
>
> Pat,pat.
>
>
>
> On Wed, 9 Oct 2002, marc.garrett wrote:
>
> > You're pretty hung up on this word
>
> I am not hung up on anything, least of all words.
> Your wishful derogatory projections are little but
> murderous impulses due to your inability to handle reality.
>
> > - authority -
>
> Actually the one 'hung up' about the word is you--hence you knee
> jerk evey time it's brought up.
>
> > plus you repeat many words
>
> No dearest. I don't repeat words.
> I use words as are appropriate.
> In many cases as relevant--they're the same outwardly.
>
> I suggest you try re-reading what I said.
> PARROTING is not what appears as 'repeating' to you.
>
> In your flat myopic perception of the world, no doubt
> the change of seasons brings the SAME season again, ne?
> This spring is the same as last spring. EXACTLY.
>
> > - BOT.
>
> The only one a bot here is you, luv.
> Until you deal with your shell you're not capable of perceptions
> outside of 'yourself'.
>
> Pat,pat.
>
>
>
Re: Ten Million Hits
Hello David,
I would just like to say that, I do have issue with this character but I
want to stay on Raw and I do not wish it to change. And if it gets a bit not
to my liking - may be I should just let it be what it is and not what I
think it should be. So if Karei is going to carry on here, may be a kind of
psychological observance would be more appropriate for me - study this
interaction. Strange & interesting times that we are all living in - and it
is possibly more important that Rhizome gets my support and not an angry
opinion. If one compares the energy and all the other stuff such as a
website/lists & commissions for artists/non artists - artbase, dedicated
crew - to the issue of what has been happening on the list here; then one
has to wake up and see the larger picture. I take back what I said, will
carry with my stuff and let what is - alone. nuffsaid...
marc
> i don't know joseph ... the guy is very violent with his words. you and
max
> may have the want to suffer his attacks but some may stop contributing to
> the list. there's your censorship. people not speaking up and engaging
in
> conversation out of fear. afraid of being verbally assaulted by an
asswipe
> with a mesiah complex.
>
> i'm not in favor of Rhizome censoring him either (i just don't read his
> posts anymore) but i do believe his abusive and violent words keep some
from
> sharing their thoughts and ideas ... and that is censorship.
>
> david goldschmidt
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Joseph Franklyn McElroy Cor[porat]e [Per]form[ance] Art[ist]"
> <joseph@electrichands.com>
> To: "furtherfield" <info@furtherfield.org>; "-IID42 Kandinskij @27+"
> <death@zaphod.terminal.org>
> Cc: <list@rhizome.org>; "Mark Tribe" <mt@rhizome.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 3:55 PM
> Subject: Re: RHIZOME_RAW: Ten Million Hits
>
>
> Quoting furtherfield <info@furtherfield.org>:
>
> > WELCOME TO THE 'OLD BOYS CLUB 'OF RHIZOME
> > WHERE IF YOU WANT TO DISCUSS A SUBJECT -
> > YOU ARE PERSONALLY ABUSED AND TREATED
> > BADLY BY THOSE WHO NOT CREATE THEIR
> > WORK. A Big THANX TO THE RHIZOME TEAM
> > FOR STANDING UP FOR ONE WANKER, SO THE
> > MANY HAVE TO SUFFER....THINGS NEED TO
> > CHANGE - NOW!
> >
> > MARC GARRETT - FEDUP WITH RHIZOME'S
> > BLOKE GAMES...
>
> Mark, I sense that he is not out to abuse people for his jollies. And if
> you
> stand back, you can see that he uses essentially the same non-flattering
> terms
> for everyone; and as such, that he is not making personal attacks. Just
> extremely blunt criticism within a pretty specific domain of language,
> consciousness, awareness, and social structure. I would not be in favor
of
> censoring him. However, perhaps there should be a starter pack for every
> Rhizomer that helps take the sting away.
>
> Anyway, that is my take on it, but I am just a farmer monkey who can
barely
> read or write, so what do I know? :)
>
> --
> Joseph Franklyn McElroy
> Cor[porat]e [Per]form[ance] Art[ist]T
> Take the survey they are all talking about...
> http://www.electrichands.com/genius2000
> Electric Hands, Inc
> 212.255.4527
> www.electrichands.com
> joseph@electrichands.com
>
>
>
>
> + the Patty Winters show this morning was about Real-Life Rambos.
> -> post: list@rhizome.org
> -> questions: info@rhizome.org
> -> subscribe/unsubscribe: http://rhizome.org/preferences/subscribe.rhiz
> -> give: http://rhizome.org/support
> +
> Subscribers to Rhizome are subject to the terms set out in the
> Membership Agreement available online at http://rhizome.org/info/29.php
>
>
>
I would just like to say that, I do have issue with this character but I
want to stay on Raw and I do not wish it to change. And if it gets a bit not
to my liking - may be I should just let it be what it is and not what I
think it should be. So if Karei is going to carry on here, may be a kind of
psychological observance would be more appropriate for me - study this
interaction. Strange & interesting times that we are all living in - and it
is possibly more important that Rhizome gets my support and not an angry
opinion. If one compares the energy and all the other stuff such as a
website/lists & commissions for artists/non artists - artbase, dedicated
crew - to the issue of what has been happening on the list here; then one
has to wake up and see the larger picture. I take back what I said, will
carry with my stuff and let what is - alone. nuffsaid...
marc
> i don't know joseph ... the guy is very violent with his words. you and
max
> may have the want to suffer his attacks but some may stop contributing to
> the list. there's your censorship. people not speaking up and engaging
in
> conversation out of fear. afraid of being verbally assaulted by an
asswipe
> with a mesiah complex.
>
> i'm not in favor of Rhizome censoring him either (i just don't read his
> posts anymore) but i do believe his abusive and violent words keep some
from
> sharing their thoughts and ideas ... and that is censorship.
>
> david goldschmidt
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Joseph Franklyn McElroy Cor[porat]e [Per]form[ance] Art[ist]"
> <joseph@electrichands.com>
> To: "furtherfield" <info@furtherfield.org>; "-IID42 Kandinskij @27+"
> <death@zaphod.terminal.org>
> Cc: <list@rhizome.org>; "Mark Tribe" <mt@rhizome.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 3:55 PM
> Subject: Re: RHIZOME_RAW: Ten Million Hits
>
>
> Quoting furtherfield <info@furtherfield.org>:
>
> > WELCOME TO THE 'OLD BOYS CLUB 'OF RHIZOME
> > WHERE IF YOU WANT TO DISCUSS A SUBJECT -
> > YOU ARE PERSONALLY ABUSED AND TREATED
> > BADLY BY THOSE WHO NOT CREATE THEIR
> > WORK. A Big THANX TO THE RHIZOME TEAM
> > FOR STANDING UP FOR ONE WANKER, SO THE
> > MANY HAVE TO SUFFER....THINGS NEED TO
> > CHANGE - NOW!
> >
> > MARC GARRETT - FEDUP WITH RHIZOME'S
> > BLOKE GAMES...
>
> Mark, I sense that he is not out to abuse people for his jollies. And if
> you
> stand back, you can see that he uses essentially the same non-flattering
> terms
> for everyone; and as such, that he is not making personal attacks. Just
> extremely blunt criticism within a pretty specific domain of language,
> consciousness, awareness, and social structure. I would not be in favor
of
> censoring him. However, perhaps there should be a starter pack for every
> Rhizomer that helps take the sting away.
>
> Anyway, that is my take on it, but I am just a farmer monkey who can
barely
> read or write, so what do I know? :)
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> + the Patty Winters show this morning was about Real-Life Rambos.
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