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BIO
Belgrade artists Marija Vauda and Nikola Pilipovic have been
collaborating as MANIK since 1999.Their work reflects the
march of history, sometimes literally outside their studio, and a
dialogue with the international artistic community through
organisations and events such as Rhizome and Free Manifesta. Tiija is
their first weblog piece, their previous work has been in mediums as
diverse as video, performance, happenings, email, painting and
installation.
collaborating as MANIK since 1999.Their work reflects the
march of history, sometimes literally outside their studio, and a
dialogue with the international artistic community through
organisations and events such as Rhizome and Free Manifesta. Tiija is
their first weblog piece, their previous work has been in mediums as
diverse as video, performance, happenings, email, painting and
installation.
Re: schizoanalizys for beginners
MANIK'S pitiful direct to confirmed bachelor Miklos The Simpatico Boy:
No,no Mikly,I seed no! Milky The Boy,ones again NO!
First- Foucault is not God,he's more than that,he's The Man who
make some sense for historyc structure of world in my pathetic,romantic,pra=
emodernistic mash of brain.He carry some order in to chaos (which I'm goi=
ng to try to do with you in this short letter,but you know I'm"artist",pain=
ter,and I paint great acryl on canvases|160X240cm|"All painting are acryl o=
n canvas",you remember?
I will be always grateful to this bold man for this delicate operation.In m=
y age friends leave fast and this process is particularly cruel without old=
friend from books.One of them is M.Foucault.At least he teach me in his gr=
eat books how to appreciate thorough knowledge.
I've wrote next(at least,I remember them for sure):
"Birth of the Clinic", "The Order of Things","The Archaeology of Knowledge"
" Discipline and Punish","The History of Sexuality",and one book with his p=
ublic lecture from
"College de France,1977:Il FAUT DEFENDRE LA SOCIETE(I don't speak French,li=
ke English,
after all ,that's why I put capital letters on last title.But,it's not so b=
ad,I mean all those
book.Of course I've forgot most details.
For example,"The Archaeology of Knowledge"was particularly different for me=
to read...
Let's get to "subject":you find Foucault(further F.)"...projecting
unconscious personal issue such as a real or
imagined fear of discourse?" Where did you get this stupid idea?In fact tha=
t he
see more than obvious social processes which are reflected in language/disc=
ourse.F.said nice:"
In every society the production of discourse is
at once controlled, selected, organized and
redistributed according to a certain number of
procedures, whose role is to avert its powers and
dangers, to cope with chance events, to evade its
ponderous, awesome materiality."
Where to hell you see there at least trace of *unconscious*?
He's clear like spring,that's why you make this overturn;
cleans filthy&vice versa.When is something very close
you see that hard,in blur,instead to move away,you pick
nose and scribble crazy thing about F.unconscious!:-/
And what's wrong with milk?Drug ans smoking and alcohol are bad not milk,
of course in reasonable quantity.And what's problem with next(could you
explained that with your own words)?
"Don't you think Foucault was " Yes danger is
present in all matters but the real meaning of
discourse is surely not to evade itself?"( Simply Mikly ...)
Cheers
MANIK
Mikly's letter to some French Dirk:
>Dirk wrote:
>
>Deleuze, the philosopher, has been known to make some serious
>mistakes.
Foucaul is another deity but then we read a quote like below...
In every society the production of discourse is
at once controlled, selected, organized and
redistributed according to a certain number of
procedures, whose role is to avert its powers and
dangers, to cope with chance events, to evade its
ponderous, awesome materiality.
Y-YMichel Foucault, The Archeology of Knowledge
I personally thought the production of discourse
is managed principally to administer the social
structure? To make sure the guy goes to work to
make the nuts that fit the bolts that run the
pump that milks the cow whose milk will be in the
store in a few days so that children will grow up
healthy?
In Foucault's text I see the following words as a
smokecreeen; "the production of discourse is at
once controlled, selected, organized and
redistributed". This could be shortened to
"manage" yet it's eloborately structure to
distract full attention from his following
statement,projecting
unconscious personal issue such as a real or
imagined fear of discourse?
that discourse is managed "to evade its dangers,
ponderous, awesome materiality".
Don't you think Foucault was " Yes danger is
present in all matters but the real meaning of
discourse is surely not to evade itself?
Miklos
No,no Mikly,I seed no! Milky The Boy,ones again NO!
First- Foucault is not God,he's more than that,he's The Man who
make some sense for historyc structure of world in my pathetic,romantic,pra=
emodernistic mash of brain.He carry some order in to chaos (which I'm goi=
ng to try to do with you in this short letter,but you know I'm"artist",pain=
ter,and I paint great acryl on canvases|160X240cm|"All painting are acryl o=
n canvas",you remember?
I will be always grateful to this bold man for this delicate operation.In m=
y age friends leave fast and this process is particularly cruel without old=
friend from books.One of them is M.Foucault.At least he teach me in his gr=
eat books how to appreciate thorough knowledge.
I've wrote next(at least,I remember them for sure):
"Birth of the Clinic", "The Order of Things","The Archaeology of Knowledge"
" Discipline and Punish","The History of Sexuality",and one book with his p=
ublic lecture from
"College de France,1977:Il FAUT DEFENDRE LA SOCIETE(I don't speak French,li=
ke English,
after all ,that's why I put capital letters on last title.But,it's not so b=
ad,I mean all those
book.Of course I've forgot most details.
For example,"The Archaeology of Knowledge"was particularly different for me=
to read...
Let's get to "subject":you find Foucault(further F.)"...projecting
unconscious personal issue such as a real or
imagined fear of discourse?" Where did you get this stupid idea?In fact tha=
t he
see more than obvious social processes which are reflected in language/disc=
ourse.F.said nice:"
In every society the production of discourse is
at once controlled, selected, organized and
redistributed according to a certain number of
procedures, whose role is to avert its powers and
dangers, to cope with chance events, to evade its
ponderous, awesome materiality."
Where to hell you see there at least trace of *unconscious*?
He's clear like spring,that's why you make this overturn;
cleans filthy&vice versa.When is something very close
you see that hard,in blur,instead to move away,you pick
nose and scribble crazy thing about F.unconscious!:-/
And what's wrong with milk?Drug ans smoking and alcohol are bad not milk,
of course in reasonable quantity.And what's problem with next(could you
explained that with your own words)?
"Don't you think Foucault was " Yes danger is
present in all matters but the real meaning of
discourse is surely not to evade itself?"( Simply Mikly ...)
Cheers
MANIK
Mikly's letter to some French Dirk:
>Dirk wrote:
>
>Deleuze, the philosopher, has been known to make some serious
>mistakes.
Foucaul is another deity but then we read a quote like below...
In every society the production of discourse is
at once controlled, selected, organized and
redistributed according to a certain number of
procedures, whose role is to avert its powers and
dangers, to cope with chance events, to evade its
ponderous, awesome materiality.
Y-YMichel Foucault, The Archeology of Knowledge
I personally thought the production of discourse
is managed principally to administer the social
structure? To make sure the guy goes to work to
make the nuts that fit the bolts that run the
pump that milks the cow whose milk will be in the
store in a few days so that children will grow up
healthy?
In Foucault's text I see the following words as a
smokecreeen; "the production of discourse is at
once controlled, selected, organized and
redistributed". This could be shortened to
"manage" yet it's eloborately structure to
distract full attention from his following
statement,projecting
unconscious personal issue such as a real or
imagined fear of discourse?
that discourse is managed "to evade its dangers,
ponderous, awesome materiality".
Don't you think Foucault was " Yes danger is
present in all matters but the real meaning of
discourse is surely not to evade itself?
Miklos
schizoanalizys
Dirk wrote:
Deleuze, the philosopher, has been known to make some serious
mistakes.
MANIK'S eloquent improvisation:
Did Deleuze work along or with Guattari in time of those "serious mistakes"?
What was the nature of those mistakes?Something from natural sciences?Or so=
mething which belong to social sciences?If you said for him"philosopher",t=
hat suggest he make mistake in philosophy?No?
Psychoanalysis?Math? Which of his book contend those mistake? Accidentally I
have all books of D&G.If you think on their fight against
classic approach to psychoanalysis(for example in "L'Anti-Edipe),their open=
and flexible thinking about
this not-so-well-define branch of science(if it is science at all),their po=
etic
and free definitions,often on the edge between logic as a school discipline=
,and
logic of "art,schizophrenia and prophecy"(D&G),you could find all their opus
was huge mistake.
Of course,I don't have to know nothing about atom to get hurt from atomic b=
omb
(by the way; we were honored with powered uranium bomb here in Serbia during
NATO bombing at 666I,but I know nothing about those weapon,question what ca=
n you do even if you know everything about atomic bomb when fallow on your =
head-what are you going to do wit Deleuse "serious mistake"?).Fact that peo=
ple actually
haven't seen vampire doesn't make strong influence on garlic value on world=
market.You should wrote comments on Deleuse mistake,that's how Jewish trad=
ition,IMO make names and opuses:Spinoza,Marx,Canneti...etc.You talk,dog shi=
t,what's the different?
I'm not sure how to express that,maybe as your psychosis,this too big bite
you just chew taking heavy load of arrogance on your weak shoulders by ment=
ioned Deleuse.
This list already have experience with semi educated obsessive maniac&MANIK=
,and I find that's
positive.Why not?Nobody's untouchable?But there's one problem which interes=
ted me last few days:If you find
Marx theory about "surplus of value"wrong,is that mean that capitalist actu=
ally doesn't take workers money?
Last Deleuse's book"CinemaI-L'Image-Movement"(in book on Serbian language,p=
age 249,free translate by MANIK):
"...Mental image doesn't have to be created from interlaced of one kind of =
relation,it must create
new substance."(Gilles Deluze)
Cheers
MANIK
PS:I became your big fan.Latin&math&other stuff,education,dude,cool,not Dut=
chman,yeah!
,
Deleuze, the philosopher, has been known to make some serious
mistakes.
MANIK'S eloquent improvisation:
Did Deleuze work along or with Guattari in time of those "serious mistakes"?
What was the nature of those mistakes?Something from natural sciences?Or so=
mething which belong to social sciences?If you said for him"philosopher",t=
hat suggest he make mistake in philosophy?No?
Psychoanalysis?Math? Which of his book contend those mistake? Accidentally I
have all books of D&G.If you think on their fight against
classic approach to psychoanalysis(for example in "L'Anti-Edipe),their open=
and flexible thinking about
this not-so-well-define branch of science(if it is science at all),their po=
etic
and free definitions,often on the edge between logic as a school discipline=
,and
logic of "art,schizophrenia and prophecy"(D&G),you could find all their opus
was huge mistake.
Of course,I don't have to know nothing about atom to get hurt from atomic b=
omb
(by the way; we were honored with powered uranium bomb here in Serbia during
NATO bombing at 666I,but I know nothing about those weapon,question what ca=
n you do even if you know everything about atomic bomb when fallow on your =
head-what are you going to do wit Deleuse "serious mistake"?).Fact that peo=
ple actually
haven't seen vampire doesn't make strong influence on garlic value on world=
market.You should wrote comments on Deleuse mistake,that's how Jewish trad=
ition,IMO make names and opuses:Spinoza,Marx,Canneti...etc.You talk,dog shi=
t,what's the different?
I'm not sure how to express that,maybe as your psychosis,this too big bite
you just chew taking heavy load of arrogance on your weak shoulders by ment=
ioned Deleuse.
This list already have experience with semi educated obsessive maniac&MANIK=
,and I find that's
positive.Why not?Nobody's untouchable?But there's one problem which interes=
ted me last few days:If you find
Marx theory about "surplus of value"wrong,is that mean that capitalist actu=
ally doesn't take workers money?
Last Deleuse's book"CinemaI-L'Image-Movement"(in book on Serbian language,p=
age 249,free translate by MANIK):
"...Mental image doesn't have to be created from interlaced of one kind of =
relation,it must create
new substance."(Gilles Deluze)
Cheers
MANIK
PS:I became your big fan.Latin&math&other stuff,education,dude,cool,not Dut=
chman,yeah!
,
COSMETIC(marc.garrett@furtherfield.org)
>I thought that I was the foam in your beer...
>marc
You could be foam in somebody's urine in best case.
MANIK
>marc
You could be foam in somebody's urine in best case.
MANIK
Fw: RHIZOME_RAW: Fw: hell's cold
----- Original Message -----
From: manik
To: dirk vekemans
Sent: Friday, January 13, 2006 3:49 PM
Subject: Re: RHIZOME_RAW: Fw: hell's cold
Dirk wrote:
>sure, i mentioned your name 'cause you reacted rather noisily to my little=
announcement (the ussr thing).
We don't remember history of "our relationship"-blank,sorry ...
Dirk:
>That's how social interaction on these lists works. No need to deconstruct=
the way you brush your teeth each time you >brush your teeth (if you are i=
n the habit of brushing your teeth)
No Big Boy,I don't brush my teeth:Eagle came every morning and clean my jaw=
,eating live flesh.
Dirk:
>i mentioned your name on my blog too (http://nkdee.blogspot.com) because i=
kinda like some of your work, so there'll >be another 14 or so individuals=
on the planet who will know about it next week.
There's two kind of perverted man:one who work in silent(dangerous one),and=
second who talk around about his virtue,actualy he's one who hates,boring =
incomplete change of man(you are one of those).
Of course you've put MANIK'S works on your blog,that's question of quality,=
not about your comlex.
MANIK welcoming 14
individuals you enlighten with our blog.
Vaya con Dios.
chill out sister, people are dying out there
dv
From: manik
To: dirk vekemans
Sent: Friday, January 13, 2006 3:49 PM
Subject: Re: RHIZOME_RAW: Fw: hell's cold
Dirk wrote:
>sure, i mentioned your name 'cause you reacted rather noisily to my little=
announcement (the ussr thing).
We don't remember history of "our relationship"-blank,sorry ...
Dirk:
>That's how social interaction on these lists works. No need to deconstruct=
the way you brush your teeth each time you >brush your teeth (if you are i=
n the habit of brushing your teeth)
No Big Boy,I don't brush my teeth:Eagle came every morning and clean my jaw=
,eating live flesh.
Dirk:
>i mentioned your name on my blog too (http://nkdee.blogspot.com) because i=
kinda like some of your work, so there'll >be another 14 or so individuals=
on the planet who will know about it next week.
There's two kind of perverted man:one who work in silent(dangerous one),and=
second who talk around about his virtue,actualy he's one who hates,boring =
incomplete change of man(you are one of those).
Of course you've put MANIK'S works on your blog,that's question of quality,=
not about your comlex.
MANIK welcoming 14
individuals you enlighten with our blog.
Vaya con Dios.
chill out sister, people are dying out there
dv
Fw: hell's cold
----- Original Message -----
From: manik
To: list@rhizome.org Dirk Vekemans
Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2006 11:29 PM
Subject: hell's cold
Hi Dirk,
You've mentioned my name in one sentence,I find that interesting as
introduction in wide consideration relationship between random-deliberate,
predictable-unpredictable...I find art history-aesthetic-philosophy could =
be good for
reflection about those things,or for polemic at least.Those disciplines are=
equal important as programming(for example).
I'm not "programming artist"or"software artist",my personal interest for Rh=
izome_Raw list writing's to define
clean message:we are different people and our "role"in this time we live to=
gether
on this planet is to understand that this difference is not reason for into=
lerance,...on the contrary.
Cheers
MANIK
PS:
Fact that Mondrian belong to Dutchman is not reason for you to be so upset.
I also mentioned Americans in that mail,and so far they're happy with that.
Apologies, MANIK from hell, i was out all day and perhaps it's because i'm
too tired but much as i feel obliged to anwer when addressed, i find it near
impossible to respond to your remarks in a meaningful way now: you start
from mistaking my sigh of incompetence to deal with a concept for a
definition of a word, and continue in a random fashion of pre-emptive
strikes to nail my male but against an imagenary wall, it seems. My next
mail in this thread kinda contradicts everything here, no? Anyway, i'm not
from the Netherlands, so there's no need to drag those fine people into this
and if you'd care to take a look at what i try to do, you might agree i'm
not after any kind of total control.
How is hell these days anyway? i kinda miss the heat, sometimes.
dv
_____
Van: owner-list@rhizome.org [mailto:owner-list@rhizome.org] Namens manik
Verzonden: donderdag 12 januari 2006 3:41
Aan: list@rhizome.org
Onderwerp: RE: RHIZOME_RAW: draw-something
Hi Dirk,
This is MANIK from hell.
Let's get to work:for you randomness mean same as a concept("For me
randomness, the concept, ...)
This is interesting idea and I dare to see rot of it could be in Dutchman's
fight for fertility land,fight against nature(fait against randomness of
see, the concept of other entity,God maybe.)American Pioneer have some of
that madness but they were cruel murder if is necessary,and of curse God was
good/necessary for pardon of sins)."So help me God!",they said and kill some
Iraqi child,or Indian,it doesn't matter.
Man have to established full control,he's uber alles,he rule over nature-in
this moment this represent retro-modernistic concept with element of
fascism(genetic control and modular stile of space/mind strategic
organization),fancy,inn,mostly in design,and fashion,in
"modular"architecture etc...Significant historical example were Mondrian's
neoplasticism,and Le Corbusier buildings.But even in Mondrians work was
element of randomness,intentionally provoke suspense(Bugi-Vugi serial from
NYC,40-this,...to much randomness,to many blots).
I think that you wish people-machine who work perfect until they stop.One's
for ever,The End!(?)Plastic doll who you could bore when became nasty?
My humble experience with mechanism who investigate random/rule-tarot,and
similar discipline are para-scientist,worthless and extremely personal as an
experience and they're in strange co-relation with J.Koons
statement(paraphrase):"We have to be objective and reduce influence of
subconsiousnes."Which mean that we can see our self's in every sense of this
word(future,destiny,...)but what's the purpose?If you are afraid of concept
act like they doesn't existed.If you hate randomness there's no Superman
anymore(he broke his neck and die)to save us.It looks to me that we must
live with legs spread between random and predictable.See explanation of
card"Chariot",and legend about Medusa,Orpheus&Eurydice,emotions?:)
Cheers
MANIK
For me randomness, the concept, is a nightmare, it's quicksand, it is the
one thing i can think of that's worse then (pick any random worst horror).
The day Superman solves random we'll all go to heaven (yes, even you manik).
Try it: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Random
They (we) can't even get the wikipedia article straightened out.
dv
> -----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
> Van: owner-list@rhizome.org [mailto:owner-list@rhizome.org]
> Namens Pall Thayer
> Verzonden: woensdag 11 januari 2006 15:55
> Aan: Rob Myers
> CC: Rhizome Raw list
> Onderwerp: Re: RHIZOME_RAW: draw-something
>
> Hi Rob,
> I was looking at this and find it interesting. Thanks for
> sharing the code with us. There are a couple of questions
> that come to mind. I'd like to know if you have any plans of
> making the lines more "pencil"- like by creating a more
> expressive line. I feel this is an issue that has been
> largely overlooked by people working with automated drawing
> processes. They tend to look really flat and dead because of it.
> AARON, for instance, suffers from a severe case of flatness
> that could be easily cured by some simple, maybe even random,
> variation in line thickness and length. There's an
> interesting project called Freestyle that's working on this
> (among other things) at http://
> freestyle.sourceforge.net/index.php (source available).
>
> Also, I noticed this on your blog:
> "The shapes are random. The colours are random. At worst I'm
> showing one in every three of these images.
>
> Randomness gives good results far more often than it should.
> Is it the heuristics I'm coding in, or is aesthetics really random?
>
> Time to start adding rules."
>
> I think it has to do with the range of data. Random is going
> to use the whole range of data equally whereas something like
> weather is going to be concentrated in predictable area's of
> the full range.
> Personally, I think it's really interesting to see what
> happens with different types of data. If you experiment with
> different data sources, I think you'll find that they each
> have their own significant character which could in turn be
> interesting to mix together.
>
> Pall
>
> On 10.1.2006, at 18:56, Rob Myers wrote:
>
> > I have been working on my program draw-something.
> >
> > There's a Flash version (made with MTASC):
> >
> > http://draw-something.robmyers.org/
> >
> > And the Lisp version now makes multiple figures and
> coloured figures:
> >
> > http://www.robmyers.org/weblog/2006/01/11/purely-random-colour/
> > http://www.robmyers.org/weblog/2006/01/08/draw-something-drawing/
> > http://www.robmyers.org/weblog/2006/01/08/a-change-of-algorithm-for-
> > draw-something/
> >
> > Source for all versions available from sourceforge CVS
> along with some
> > recent release bundles:
> >
> > http:://rob-art.sourceforge.net/
> >
> > - Rob.
> > +
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> >
>
>
>
> --
> Pall Thayer
> p_thay@alcor.concordia.ca
> http://www.this.is/pallit
>
>
>
>
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From: manik
To: list@rhizome.org Dirk Vekemans
Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2006 11:29 PM
Subject: hell's cold
Hi Dirk,
You've mentioned my name in one sentence,I find that interesting as
introduction in wide consideration relationship between random-deliberate,
predictable-unpredictable...I find art history-aesthetic-philosophy could =
be good for
reflection about those things,or for polemic at least.Those disciplines are=
equal important as programming(for example).
I'm not "programming artist"or"software artist",my personal interest for Rh=
izome_Raw list writing's to define
clean message:we are different people and our "role"in this time we live to=
gether
on this planet is to understand that this difference is not reason for into=
lerance,...on the contrary.
Cheers
MANIK
PS:
Fact that Mondrian belong to Dutchman is not reason for you to be so upset.
I also mentioned Americans in that mail,and so far they're happy with that.
Apologies, MANIK from hell, i was out all day and perhaps it's because i'm
too tired but much as i feel obliged to anwer when addressed, i find it near
impossible to respond to your remarks in a meaningful way now: you start
from mistaking my sigh of incompetence to deal with a concept for a
definition of a word, and continue in a random fashion of pre-emptive
strikes to nail my male but against an imagenary wall, it seems. My next
mail in this thread kinda contradicts everything here, no? Anyway, i'm not
from the Netherlands, so there's no need to drag those fine people into this
and if you'd care to take a look at what i try to do, you might agree i'm
not after any kind of total control.
How is hell these days anyway? i kinda miss the heat, sometimes.
dv
_____
Van: owner-list@rhizome.org [mailto:owner-list@rhizome.org] Namens manik
Verzonden: donderdag 12 januari 2006 3:41
Aan: list@rhizome.org
Onderwerp: RE: RHIZOME_RAW: draw-something
Hi Dirk,
This is MANIK from hell.
Let's get to work:for you randomness mean same as a concept("For me
randomness, the concept, ...)
This is interesting idea and I dare to see rot of it could be in Dutchman's
fight for fertility land,fight against nature(fait against randomness of
see, the concept of other entity,God maybe.)American Pioneer have some of
that madness but they were cruel murder if is necessary,and of curse God was
good/necessary for pardon of sins)."So help me God!",they said and kill some
Iraqi child,or Indian,it doesn't matter.
Man have to established full control,he's uber alles,he rule over nature-in
this moment this represent retro-modernistic concept with element of
fascism(genetic control and modular stile of space/mind strategic
organization),fancy,inn,mostly in design,and fashion,in
"modular"architecture etc...Significant historical example were Mondrian's
neoplasticism,and Le Corbusier buildings.But even in Mondrians work was
element of randomness,intentionally provoke suspense(Bugi-Vugi serial from
NYC,40-this,...to much randomness,to many blots).
I think that you wish people-machine who work perfect until they stop.One's
for ever,The End!(?)Plastic doll who you could bore when became nasty?
My humble experience with mechanism who investigate random/rule-tarot,and
similar discipline are para-scientist,worthless and extremely personal as an
experience and they're in strange co-relation with J.Koons
statement(paraphrase):"We have to be objective and reduce influence of
subconsiousnes."Which mean that we can see our self's in every sense of this
word(future,destiny,...)but what's the purpose?If you are afraid of concept
act like they doesn't existed.If you hate randomness there's no Superman
anymore(he broke his neck and die)to save us.It looks to me that we must
live with legs spread between random and predictable.See explanation of
card"Chariot",and legend about Medusa,Orpheus&Eurydice,emotions?:)
Cheers
MANIK
For me randomness, the concept, is a nightmare, it's quicksand, it is the
one thing i can think of that's worse then (pick any random worst horror).
The day Superman solves random we'll all go to heaven (yes, even you manik).
Try it: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Random
They (we) can't even get the wikipedia article straightened out.
dv
> -----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
> Van: owner-list@rhizome.org [mailto:owner-list@rhizome.org]
> Namens Pall Thayer
> Verzonden: woensdag 11 januari 2006 15:55
> Aan: Rob Myers
> CC: Rhizome Raw list
> Onderwerp: Re: RHIZOME_RAW: draw-something
>
> Hi Rob,
> I was looking at this and find it interesting. Thanks for
> sharing the code with us. There are a couple of questions
> that come to mind. I'd like to know if you have any plans of
> making the lines more "pencil"- like by creating a more
> expressive line. I feel this is an issue that has been
> largely overlooked by people working with automated drawing
> processes. They tend to look really flat and dead because of it.
> AARON, for instance, suffers from a severe case of flatness
> that could be easily cured by some simple, maybe even random,
> variation in line thickness and length. There's an
> interesting project called Freestyle that's working on this
> (among other things) at http://
> freestyle.sourceforge.net/index.php (source available).
>
> Also, I noticed this on your blog:
> "The shapes are random. The colours are random. At worst I'm
> showing one in every three of these images.
>
> Randomness gives good results far more often than it should.
> Is it the heuristics I'm coding in, or is aesthetics really random?
>
> Time to start adding rules."
>
> I think it has to do with the range of data. Random is going
> to use the whole range of data equally whereas something like
> weather is going to be concentrated in predictable area's of
> the full range.
> Personally, I think it's really interesting to see what
> happens with different types of data. If you experiment with
> different data sources, I think you'll find that they each
> have their own significant character which could in turn be
> interesting to mix together.
>
> Pall
>
> On 10.1.2006, at 18:56, Rob Myers wrote:
>
> > I have been working on my program draw-something.
> >
> > There's a Flash version (made with MTASC):
> >
> > http://draw-something.robmyers.org/
> >
> > And the Lisp version now makes multiple figures and
> coloured figures:
> >
> > http://www.robmyers.org/weblog/2006/01/11/purely-random-colour/
> > http://www.robmyers.org/weblog/2006/01/08/draw-something-drawing/
> > http://www.robmyers.org/weblog/2006/01/08/a-change-of-algorithm-for-
> > draw-something/
> >
> > Source for all versions available from sourceforge CVS
> along with some
> > recent release bundles:
> >
> > http:://rob-art.sourceforge.net/
> >
> > - Rob.
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