manik vauda marija manik nikola pilipovic
Since 2002
Works in United States of America

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BIO
Belgrade artists Marija Vauda and Nikola Pilipovic have been
collaborating as MANIK since 1999.Their work reflects the
march of history, sometimes literally outside their studio, and a
dialogue with the international artistic community through
organisations and events such as Rhizome and Free Manifesta. Tiija is
their first weblog piece, their previous work has been in mediums as
diverse as video, performance, happenings, email, painting and
installation.

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DISCUSSION

Myth II-2


We never said that is your work.
We know your work.
But,this work is nice.That's important.Is'n it?
You choice is good.Other sites are far from this one:http://www.lostwonder.=
org/guides/ExcerptGuide10.htm
Mention alchemy is not prolegomena for mediavel fashion.But that kind of We=
ltanschaung is precious like childhood (with all mystery and faschination).
We are much more projected in future."Two steps ahead is suitable,but two i=
s destruction."(E.Canetti)
Lost in time.
MANIK

DISCUSSION

Myth II-1


http://www.lostwonder.org/guides/ExcerptGuide10.htm

Hi Curt,
Very,very nice work.Without links,names,CV-is,about us,...and other usual e=
quipment.Discreet retro design(popular science magazine late XIX century,ch=
ill with underground comic style),serious and mysterious,superposition in s=
tructure...naive and extremely clean.Also there's humor,but far enough to b=
e obvious and boring.
Allow me to add some direction for beginners?OK
Whatever you think about stuff like this,there's no chance to go thru it wi=
thout several years intensive attention and serious study and practicing ta=
rot or some close discipline.
Thank you
MANIK

DISCUSSION

Myth II


13./"...Purpose of myth is to stop the world;myth suggest and show universa=
l economy which ones and forever decree hierarchy of possessi=
on."(R.Barthes:Myth today)

14./"History support this divine tyranny,history opposite in the direction =
of myth;that's why we talk about "philosophy"of history and that's the rea=
son Benjamin talk about"new historical epoch"(ein neues geschichticher Zeit=
alter)which come after leading role of myth,after breaking magic circle of =
mythological state arrangement,after breaking Stadtsgewalt,violence or stat=
e authority."(J.Derrida:Force de loi:Fondament mystique de l'autorite)

15./Ser M.Jager can told us something about meritocracy in art of entertain=
ment,but he canceled concert in Belgrade(autumn 2003).His sershit doesn't f=
ill safe in Serbia.
Politically correct decision.As a living myth Ser Jager is in function of M=
ega Myth(State&Ideology).

16./What possibly Dyske can say about myth considered tiny example of socia=
l body("fine art")?After all his forensic skill ended with story about Uncl=
e.

17./That's nothing.I've seen man without hand.

18./Salesman is last in hierarchy,on surface.Much deeper and much more impo=
rtant are processes of arbitration,valuation and recognition(art).Result of=
necesserity and order in some ideological system is mainstream.Aesthetic i=
s in most of case direct service to mainstream in art/market.

19./Refusing to be part of mainstream means falling.But after fall you can'=
t go anywhere.That's good place for start.But it's very dangerous when drea=
m become bloody flesh.

20./"There's no End,and it's very dangerous to invent one."(E.Canetti)

MANIK

DISCUSSION

The Myth of Meritocracy in Fine Arts


1./Is there any consensus about"world of art"?So far this is A.Danto's fict=
ion.

2./"Myth is speech."(R.Barthes:Mythologies)

3./Can we describe something as"art"(object,happening,action...)but not arb=
itrary,like false,or ignorant witness?There's no crime without body.So,wher=
e's the body("art")?Posteriority,assert Duchamp, is highest judge for art(i=
st) and only in posteriority something become "art".Are we in posteriority
And where's the point from which we can discus about art?I can see and said=
"Yes,that is"art"!"But what about that?Fact that I can recognize"art"is ir=
relevant.Culture exist only in social environment.Artist lives in his inten=
tions,also in society,and "art"could be only intentions tight connected wit=
h Other(people).
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4./Capitalism define him self thru terms(so called"terms capitalism"),liter=
ally we have deal with mega myth.Infrastructure of that mega myth include I=
nstitution,among other Art Institutions.That is pragmatic reason to claim =
that Art exist."CIA art" during fifties/sixties (abstract expressionism) wa=
s very important ideological article infiltrated from U.S.A in Europe.Spect=
acular market crash of this "art"production in that time was the first sign=
of essential incompatibility in relation art-money-ideology.

5./Aleksandar Brener make $ sign on Malevich's picture in Steedeliyk Museum=
in Amsterdam.Damage was 400 000$(!?!).Is that marketing,sabotage,subversio=
n, crime,happening,desperate wish to became famous..."art"?Or something els=
e? Brener talk about techne instead art(see M.Heidegger;Vortrage und Aufsat=
ze,Greek etymology is tehvn) That is area which signify production,and,in =
same time,sublimation-poiesis.To simplify -Socrates was consistent in his t=
echne(making sense,or philosophy,poison and death),Brener wasn't. His actio=
n exist like hyper fiction.To cut this part;many artist was on Brener's sid=
e,instead to be happy to see Brener in prison.That was chance to see on glo=
bal level(Brener is world "famous"artist) art-action incorporated in recent=
market value system thru punishing,that mean confirmation of "art"subversi=
ve potential .Mega myth swallow every attempt to see hero in full name and =
size."I am Artist"said Brener"My action was pure art,and you can't put me i=
n prison".Why anyone of us didn't make half million dollar damage?Just try,=
and say that's art....System leave Brener free because he was potentially d=
angerous.That's the role of low(superposition logic) in recent West ideolog=
ical system-to protect The Myth.This time"Ecce homo"wasn't Jesus...Just som=
e "artist".

6./Transgression(subversion,dangerous or revolutionary potential)doesn't ex=
isted in recent "art"streaming.Mega Project of Modernism/Postmodernism are =
finished.Paradoxaly-expansion of technology need renaissance spirit.Pre-mo=
dernism include crafts,skills,alchemy(cyber paranoiac projection of particu=
larly and superficial knowledge about many details,which lied to amateuris=
m)."Artist"is surrounded by number of difficulties,to survive he need to be=
malted with Mega Myth rules.Or he can make decision to stay on periphery, =
in dangerous places without rules,low,court,wild in every moment,corrupted,=
humble and poor,completely depend of foreign donation.Without market at all=
,especially "art"market.Uninhabited places(WERVERFUNG,J.Butler)

7./Democracy is fundament,"Conditio sine qua non"in every academic discussi=
on/discourse.Very blurry term considered Greek democracy;adult male citizen=
are voice in that myth about early democracy.Slave,woman... vere out of an=
y politic decision.Segregation,racism,fascism are other part of that social=
distribution(of power).Superposition logic(ultra-micro matter prion in the=
ir spin are not up/down,connect/disconnect,in/out,they are both function of=
it in same time)lid us to conclusion about immanent fascistic arrangement =
of recent West society.That's Nietzsche's"eternal return",or dialectic.Lets=
put together Olympic game and Olympic game for handicap person,let's put i=
n same basketball club(Lakers for example) paraplegic and"normal"person.Is =
result so important?Yes,it is.Thirty points of some ignorant is more impor=
tant than human right to be man amount the other man .This thirty point mak=
e in crow strange exaltation,they project them self in insignificent skill =
and abstract number as result of this game(every game is competition,every =
competition is kind of war)."World is in permanent war"(M.Foucoult:Il faut =
defendre la societe).

8./Dyske said that he live god.MANIK said that he live bad.Some "higher ins=
tance" could said that both of us have luck because we are alive.Or opposit=
e.
Wall in Warsaw ghetto was prisons wall,also wall in Berlin.Now, wall which =
surrounding Palestinian habitat is kind of artifact,it could be Crisco's wo=
rk.Eucharist of low.pure essence of creativity.This is,after all,appearance=
of Batailles vision(G.Bataille:La part maudite),but in contra light,perver=
sion of Mega Myth.

9./After all ART exist.How came?Wasn't it under suspicion term,almost crimi=
nogenyc?Is that some uncosecvence in MANIK's speech.

10./Sound of snowing(R.Myers)

11./That is ART.

12./MANIK

DISCUSSION

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