manik vauda marija manik nikola pilipovic
Since 2002
Works in United States of America

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BIO
Belgrade artists Marija Vauda and Nikola Pilipovic have been
collaborating as MANIK since 1999.Their work reflects the
march of history, sometimes literally outside their studio, and a
dialogue with the international artistic community through
organisations and events such as Rhizome and Free Manifesta. Tiija is
their first weblog piece, their previous work has been in mediums as
diverse as video, performance, happenings, email, painting and
installation.

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DISCUSSION

KASPAR HAUSER&isabelle dinoire


Curt wrote:
>Hi all,

>I just read the thread and then watched the video. We don't have a televi=
sion and I don't read the news. Without the >backstory, my only story is t=
he video itself and your responses. Some observations from this perspectiv=
e:

We have rare opportunity to fell sublimate( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Su=
blimation_%28psychology%29 )and totally
cool testimony,almost like Kaspar Hauser's (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/K=
aspar_Hauser).It's like somebody said:"This what I'm going to tell you have=
irrefutable essence,closest to "truth" than everything else. It's closest=
to origin( http://dvblog.org/isabelle-dinoire )because of simple fact:my p=
erception's out of any context-innocent in some kind of silence caused by s=
hortage of information from any other media.Fact that my approach to this w=
ork still have some primordial,almost immanent phenomenon distance(because =
it's not under any media influence)imply that my testify and observation ha=
ve maximal value,it's kind of axiom..."He come with the rain and bring us e=
nlightenment.Curt-Ideal eyewitness.

1.
>People denounce the media as spectacle, yet many who responded have obviou=
sly been moved by a heroic media >narrative. Having no backstory, having s=
een/read no media narrative, having only surmised a synopsis of the story v=
ia >this thread, abe's piece seems neither horrifying, inhumane, nor distur=
bing. I was steeled for the worst, and I almost >didn't watch it (like Jas=
on V.A., my local life is plenty beset by evil without having to import it)=
. I kept waiting to be >disturbed, and it never happened. You saw or read=
something evocative in the media coverage that moved you, >something beyo=
nd the basic synopsis of the story. Did you see the "reality" of the event=
? Really?

I haven't seen "reality"of the event.Really.Have you,or any of you ever s=
een reality of any event?What's reality of event:visual side(what about bli=
nd people?),energy you feel in immediate presence,your reflexion about same=
one,your life&body experience... whole complexity
mean to see something,and I understand your distance from"reality"(under=
line by quotation marks),but I just can't believe that you could leave word=
event,in same constellation without those quotation marks.Is that mean tha=
t "reality"have nothing to do with events,by the definition,(and vice versa=
)and if somebody said that he/she have seen reality you consistent doubt in=
material side of this "reality".So,reality without event is metaphysics.My=
question is:"Have you ever seen metaphysics?"And when,or if you said :"Th=
is is metaphysics."what you mean by that.For example;I doubt you see realit=
y of the event of bombing big city like Belgrade in 666I,and consequence's =
that this event never happened.But you do read some article(thread)written =
by some "Marisa",and you slowly fold up puzzle compose by fragments,doubtfu=
l ideological testify...And you became one more indoctrinate man. =
=
=
Now I can't remember for sure the name of man who,(it could be possible =
Liottard?)who deduce one paradigmatic axiom(paraphrase):"Fascist conc.-lage=
r existing because for fascist was impossible to kill whole camp inmate,whi=
ch mean to kill "reality"(all witnesses)of event:place and occurrence,kill=
ers and victims.Interesting hiding,or better *retract*of ruling discourse i=
n "Main Subject"(term for U.S.A by J.Habermas).I hardly wait to see Spike L=
ee's documentary about reality of event in New Orleans after Katrina.I beli=
ef he's one of few people in America who doesn't afraid to see reality of e=
vent.Fact that you have no TV,and that you don't read newspaper doesn't tak=
e of responsibility from you.Your escapism in metaphysics couldn't develop =
discourse of wish,or hiding,it doesn't matter(in Lacanian key-your wish cou=
ldn't immediately became object of your wish,between you and objectificatio=
n of your phantasm is mediator."Other" and only trough this"Other"you could=
create your wish became thing(object).But,I(what me and other discuss when=
This "I"appear)not in a good mood to let you create your wish.I became dis=
turbance instead conductor between you and your phantasm(phantom of your wi=
sh).First obstacle's fact that you haven't seen other side;you've seen only=
smoke from crematorium chimney,and you are happy because fact that somebod=
y,down,there make cookies don't disturb you at all.Really?

>To simply become aware of the spectacle is to enter into a dangerous relat=
ionship with it, because mere awareness of >the spectacle doesn't ward it o=
ff. If anything, it gives you a false sense of immunization that sucks you=
into an even >deeper symbiotic relationship with the spectacle. Why did D=
ebord remain in Paris? Why are most of you still in New >York, Los Angeles=
, and London? "Could you just not bear to look? You get no commercials."

It's not up to you to pick as girl of marriageable age nature of your rela=
tionship with spectacle(I suppose this is another expression for event,or m=
edia...).Unclear ness part of text...

2.
>The compassion and empathy expressed by those who object to abe's piece is=
touching and brave.

Way you put words together in this sentence(syntax)is slimy-not irony,not d=
isown...Bad and ugly.

>The rote (dare I say "ethical") obligation to follow up such expressions o=
f empathy with a disclaimer that ethics and >truth are subjective chills mu=
ch of the original warmth. Quibbling over the nuanced differences between =
truth and reality >in this context is like arguing loudly at someone's fune=
ral over whether black or grey expresses a more appropriate >sense of mourn=
ing.

Your escapism doesn't have nothing with people who can fell deep and uncond=
itional empathy with Isabelle Dinoire .
Maybe she's stoned bitch so much fill with narcotics that she*deserve*what'=
s happened to her,but it's not up to you,educated man,professor and teacher=
to discuss about whole complex case with pathetic example about grey and b=
lack funeral suit.
I think you fill thing in word,and in America particularly goes bad that so=
on is going to be very dangerous.
Instead to face with threat which is always two-way:inside you and outside,=
you prattle loudly as child lost in woods "to drive away fear".I think I kn=
ow you enough to warn you friendly(if you fill other way you're wrong)that =
this what you've written here is convincing worse sense I read your texts.
Best wishes
MANIK

DISCUSSION

RESIGNATION


Hi all,
Subject Isabelle Dinoire appear on Rhizome_Raw at February 7, 2006 and,as u=
sual,last about two and half day.
In working out of this subject take part 16 people:
abe linkoln <abe@linkoln.net>, Michael Szpakowski
<szpako@yahoo.com>, Marisa Olson <marisa@rhizome.org>, aabrahams
<aabrahams@bram.org>, Pall Thayer <p_thay@alcor.concordia.ca>, Ryan
Griffis <ryan.griffis@gmail.com>, marc <marc.garrett@furtherfield.org>,
Dirk Vekemans <dv@vilt.net>, manik <manik@ptt.yu>, Lee Wells
<lee@leewells.org>, Jim Andrews <jim@vispo.com>, jo@turbulence.org, Eric
Dymond <dymond@idirect.ca>, Myron Turner <myron_turner@shaw.ca>, op
<t@panda-man.info>, Nad <nad@daytar.de>
Date: Feb 7-9, 2006
Subject: isabelle dinoire

Twenty one E-mails on Rhizome_Raw was under title"isabelle dinoire",
6-7 replica was connected with main subject,but under different title(to av=
oid mix-up and confuse
because part of them related on interpersonal relationship and specific obs=
ervation,not strictly connected with main subject).
That mean *isabelle dinoire*more or less was in about 30 mail.
On RHIZOME DIGEST:http://www.rhizome.org/thread.rhiz?thread 225&page==
1 , 02.10.06 *thread* we have next arrangement-
Marisa Olson 13 supplements(two times with photo!),she put same(her)text se=
veral time on Digest!
Michael Sprakowsky 5supplements,Annie Abrahams 3 supplements,and Pal Thayle=
r&Ryan Griffis each with 1.That's 23 supplements and 5 people.
Now I wonder how came that one subject could be such "schizophrenic":
divided on Rhizome_Raw on 16 people&30supplements he became on Digest thre=
ad something
between 5 people&23 supplements.More than 50% of this supplements/space fro=
m Digest thread
belong to Marisa Olson.Material for RHIZOME DIGEST is compressed and arrang=
e to be accessible
to somebody who want to work through some subject fast and complete.So,subj=
ect"isabelle dinoire"
going to be studied in the first place as Marisa Olson,(Editor & Curator Rh=
izome.org)improvisation,vision and
friendly defense attorney of handicraft product of abe linkoln.
Big part of MANIK'S life pass in former Yugoslavia,socialist republic with =
one party(communist),symbol of leveling
and censorship.For us westerner democracy was hope that crushed ethic&moral=
supposition don't need be necessity lost in obstinacy of people on "party =
position".In short,we thought,in our naivete/inexperience that bad ethic&=
moral depend and originate from communist ideology,and that abuse of those =
resources come as an result of wrong socio-political constellation.Marisa O=
lson originate from country who teach whole world about virtue and honesty(=
frequently by bombs).
MANIK don't care for questionable characters(MarisaOlson),especially from =
another country(inspice demagoguery about globalize,human right under USA l=
eadership etc).Our motif to uncover this person(Marisa) is basic:art scene =
in Belgrade is under American influence(George Soros lackey),and we are out=
cast here from every distribution of goods and art support.Rhizome is by th=
e definition something which incline to anarchy(pure form of democracy)and =
that could be last place to tell our story about eternal human corruptive,g=
reed and abuse of public position.
In four years we cooperate with Rhizome org,Marisa Olson is the first case =
of almost astounding usurpation of position and,in same time,almost total s=
corn of members of organization she work for.That's why we fell unpleasant =
and demand changing of her engagement in Rhizome org.

Sincerely
MANIK
Marija Vauda&Nikola Pilipovic-MANIK
Bulevar Despota Stefana 74/6
11000 Belgrade
Serbia
tel.(011)2764 152
mob.063 8641050
to

scorn

DISCUSSION

NEW MANIK'S WORK


10,FEBRUARY___MANIK_______2006_____________)_

NEW MANIK'S WORK ON SEEcult.
http://seecult.org/v-web/b2/index.php?cat=7

DISCUSSION

GOOD BROTHER MICKEY


Michael wrote:
>I had a long debate here awhile back, somewhat
>acrimonious I recall, with Manik, about their use of
>the racist term "shiptar" for Albanians.

I really don't know how to tell you that-
they call them self shiptar.To make our conversation short:
My unpleasant
energies could be absorb
in mature man manner(for example Ryan,he
know that serious talk could be much better
than a lot crap you passionate arrange.Your bad energies and turn over
the facts entertain me a lot and I hardly restrain to be rude with you. =

Anyway,your art's out of your unhealthy obsession with racism which
make me upset on other way,I'm bit worry
for your mental health.
I think you need rest for your poor nerve.
Best wishes and fast recovery.
Sincerely
MANIk

DISCUSSION

some mockery


Ryan wrote:
>this is interesting MANIK, thanks for the provocations...
We do our best to make your life better,even some mockery are there.See?

It's to late here and I'm sure that only beginnings and ends are important.

>the ASCII hyperlinked dogs are great
We are not sure,its few hundred Kb?
One of them told me few days ago that his only
wish is to earn money without working.
Maybe they going to make kind of new media
"history"and audience is going to believe that just like you did,but that a=
ll remind me on early problems
with photography,it's just something out of those
self-confident,little bit puberty boastful people and their material's
still couldn't support basically pleasant intention.
They take them self seriously,that always take to much time
and became boring.
Asco o is much better.In few years they are going to be completely
sublime.
Cheers
MANIK