manik vauda marija manik nikola pilipovic
Since 2002
Works in United States of America

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BIO
Belgrade artists Marija Vauda and Nikola Pilipovic have been
collaborating as MANIK since 1999.Their work reflects the
march of history, sometimes literally outside their studio, and a
dialogue with the international artistic community through
organisations and events such as Rhizome and Free Manifesta. Tiija is
their first weblog piece, their previous work has been in mediums as
diverse as video, performance, happenings, email, painting and
installation.

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RHIZOME_RAW: Re: Re: Re: Re: dot.com implosion killed net art?


The impotent questions

With all this crap if you're into conceptual art discussion of things
getting 'killed'...things dying, dead, crashing, busted, taken over...I'm
beginning to get scared other artists,
curators, gallerists, etc etc. . This art world surely is a dangerous
place.Video never died, it merely became assimilated into canon.

But seriously... is still active in what is happening now?

Would be interesting if a also makes these ideological demands correlation
did exist. Thesis/Essay anyone? History and cannons, and institutions.
Everyones hands at home where as ten years ago you still needed access to an
Avid, Media 100, SGI machines that, unless rich or in school made it a
the 1990's HTML and Flash toolsets were/are fairly limited. We live in a
world of meta-meta-tools. Tools creating ...
But seriously... is still active in what is happening now?
Conforming to toolsets that allow loud as everyone remembers: ART! Why? I
feel that what you are really looking for.What their desk had to offer?
Remember puttingsome degree economic value I am not so worried about and
perceived aesthetic value.
terminal-browser-based net art into galleries on possessing contexts that
work to inform this contemporary creativity.I too disagree with such a call.
It's here every day. p2p, rss, flickr, myspace, google ads, multi player,
remote viewing, blog, vlog, blah, blah, blah. monitors.
Most people I don't think could engage with it very well. People who leave
their desk and enter a gallery want something different .Thus, as mentioned
by others here, gallery-net-art-whatchamacallit has evolved.
Net.art,different genres and fusions.
Genres pop up every day, or screen art or desk art or cubicle art.Sorry to
be so silent - have been working on a very large (132 pp.) among other
things. I understand the frustration of being.

What ever happened to that?
Yes - I understand the frustration of being caught in a bonsai trap.
But seriously... is still active in what is happening now?

DISCUSSION

Shush!


Eric wrote:
but what killed video art?
Eric

MANIK wrote:
Don't be so direct Eric.
Nobody killed nobody at all.
Shush!

DISCUSSION

large Intelligent


Patrick Lichty wrote:
Hello, all,

Sorry to be so silent - have been working on a very large Intelligent Agent
(132 pp.) among other things.

MANIK wrote:
Don't be sorry.
Where's your knee man song?
Cheers

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RHIZOME_RAW: dot.com implosion killed net art?


Our meditations about interlaced,influence and connections between state in
society and it's reflection on "Art Computing"so unmistakable ignored on
Rhizome_Raw that we've finally came closer to trap/mistake we made in our
own praxis.If we talk about difficulty to see and accept something
obvious/close/near(that hurt!)how could we ask exactly the same from other
people.Other words:Arno Becker and parallel with Nazi and contemporary West
art (with special turn on"Art Computing")was wrong,same way it was wrong to
transfer whole world guilt on Eskimo and Amazonian tribes.Now we have proof
of their innocent and we could kill some children(today three years old girl
from Lebanon good train and indoctrinate could endanger American interest
on 'East'.)
What's our point?Our point's that if you couldn't,or if you refuse to
'take'our opinion about things(you are so high that our'words'hardly reach
even close to you,and if we are lucky it happen that's just mumble of
something alien,dangerous and threaten for you?But what about "Freedom of
speech"?Isn't it same time right to be listen and visible?We're free to
scream in prison America(that mean your responsibility is undoubted)make of
our,and many other countries around the world,so we suppose that's only
voice you expect to hear from,outthere-nowhere.Oh,yes,you have some employee
philosopher(Zizek for example),or artist(Cosic for example),mainly from
small countries anxious to reach West by short way.That's why Zizek take(it
was few years ago hundreds thousand of $,to "criticize"American politics,but
not so hard,it's like sado-mazo game,not snuff...).We don't want to waste
our precious time on other one.
So,Soros(George or Georgy)make ""our"" art scene in Serbia with his money
and our 'people',same as in many country in region.It'(or should we said
'he')is American product,and your responsibility for people like Soros is
undoubted.You could say what's wrong with donation for art?Nothing except
that it wasn't 'art',it's always ideology,and influence on main strategic
processes in some country.Soros,now,have concession on biggest cable net in
Serbia.And there's some money even for you-undoubted.Same as you drive with
stolen oil, my money's in your pocket(Twid know that very well).So,lets open
cart:Rhizome.org loose essence and basic idea of rhizome in(D&G)sense,which
mean that everywhere,in every place could growth something
big,small,extraordinary or average,but it can growth and our reason for
being on Rhiozome.org is that fact,this trace of freedom.
Now Rhizome.org is one of instrument of American hegemony more open than
ever.Manager of org.Lauren Cornel in her interview mentioned only two names
from Europe,which is proof that she have mission to destroy idea of
Rhizome in America,or she's just (politically) naive...We doubt in second
option.
Delleuse&Guattari idea is not something untouchable and sent.actually it's
good to discus about basic thing in their philosophy,but let us from other
countries be at lest fair treatment.Rhizome.org is big and it's
infrastructure is good and strong enough to hold out artist and other people
from all around the world.Rhizome.org don't need to be one more toy in
bloody hand of American administration.
MANIK

DISCUSSION

Re:root(foot)


----- Original Message -----
From: "manik" <manik@sbb.co.yu>
To: <list@rhizome.org>; "marc.garrett" <marc.garrett@furtherfield.org>
Sent: Sunday, July 30, 2006 10:46 PM

> marc wrote:
> Perhaps we are - we need to watch out for the pruning shears, that aim
> to prune net art (and media art) into a more cosy bonsai, centralized
> plant...
>
> " The art of growing dwarfed, ornamentally shaped trees or shrubs in
> small shallow pots or trays."
> http://www.answers.com/bonsai&rg
>
> marc
>
> When I was teacher one of my student was in extremely anti-bonsai mood.
> She mentioned every day how she hate bonsai,but she couldn't explained
why.
> I couldn't find any term under 'bonsaiphobia'on wiki,or google,so this
case
> remain one bizarre thing in my life.
> I see what you mean by this 'metaphor',but this(our)world must be very
> small, almost invisible to accept whole creative potential and
> ethic/aesthetic
> which is still left .In this space relations bonsai tree could be whole
> universe.Also Chinese traditional method of squeeze foot was,also,
> following this logic art of woman foot shape.It was very painful-this
> bonsaied foot.Maybe I can see
> root(foot)of my student obsession.
> MANIK
>
>
>