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BIO
Belgrade artists Marija Vauda and Nikola Pilipovic have been
collaborating as MANIK since 1999.Their work reflects the
march of history, sometimes literally outside their studio, and a
dialogue with the international artistic community through
organisations and events such as Rhizome and Free Manifesta. Tiija is
their first weblog piece, their previous work has been in mediums as
diverse as video, performance, happenings, email, painting and
installation.
collaborating as MANIK since 1999.Their work reflects the
march of history, sometimes literally outside their studio, and a
dialogue with the international artistic community through
organisations and events such as Rhizome and Free Manifesta. Tiija is
their first weblog piece, their previous work has been in mediums as
diverse as video, performance, happenings, email, painting and
installation.
hell for beginners
Dearest friend,
I'm very scare because I'm not sure that you are nice people.I'm using
PC,because I'm paraplegic,and that's only entertainment for me.Now I'm
scare.Maybe is to dangerous to make any deal with Hell?I want to go to
paradise,and I want to be sure that this submission could not influence on
that.I believe in God,church,and My only ambition was to taste something new
and unusual.Please,take me back to heaven.Don't let me down now!My life is
wary difficult because I hawed decubitis,you know my body don't smell
fine.Please,tell Mr.Robot to unsubscribe me,and please don't tell my parents
about that.
Yours(I don't know should I tell you my name?)
I'm very scare because I'm not sure that you are nice people.I'm using
PC,because I'm paraplegic,and that's only entertainment for me.Now I'm
scare.Maybe is to dangerous to make any deal with Hell?I want to go to
paradise,and I want to be sure that this submission could not influence on
that.I believe in God,church,and My only ambition was to taste something new
and unusual.Please,take me back to heaven.Don't let me down now!My life is
wary difficult because I hawed decubitis,you know my body don't smell
fine.Please,tell Mr.Robot to unsubscribe me,and please don't tell my parents
about that.
Yours(I don't know should I tell you my name?)
Re: Re: Re: attempting to share net.art with friends & family
Well,it's god to see both sides.You are not my anemy,and my article prove
that.You are just small,egoistic diletant,who is so pathethic that is
frigting to public all my article.You have to deserve to be my anemy,litle
shit.Your miserable covered behind phrase like "live in United States"make
me seek.I expect honest people to read my article vithout prejudice.
MANIK
----- Original Message -----
From: "Eduardo Navas" <eduardo@navasse.net>
To: "manik" <manik@ptt.yu>
Cc: <list@rhizome.org>
Sent: Monday, July 14, 2003 6:26 AM
Subject: Re: RHIZOME_RAW: Re: Re: attempting to share net.art with friends &
family
> > Peace,what else?Thread is that you don't understand MANIK's high defined
> > opinion about your issue.On the other side you expect understanding from
> > people without any knowledge about cultural context,environment for
> > structuralize specific area which we called art(ancient Greek called
that
> > tecne,and MANIK prefer that word).Also,we are not in court,we talking
> > free,hyperbolic,parabolic,metaphoric...etc.
> <--snip-->
>
> "Peace" is a way of saying "good bye," other people might use "best" or
> "sincerely."
>
> I am not sure what happened here? We were part of a thread dealing with
> sharing net-art with family and friends and this one turned into a
pointing
> game.
>
> Throughout the thread I was "otherized" by you. Now, I have become a
> metaphorical enemy of yours simply because I live in the United States.
> And, since you probably read my biography on Rhizome, or did a search on
> google, you realize that I may know a thing or two and expect me to prove
to
> you that I am worthy of your attention?
>
> In the first place, my writing should have been sufficient. I honestly
have
> really enjoyed the thread, and feel really bad that it ends this way. You
> have completely personalized my comments, and this only leads to arbitrary
> attacks with no productive outcome. Everyone who has contributed to this
> thread was merely trying to understand the complex issues behind sharing
net
> art with friends and families. And now this has been thrown out the
window
> and turned into a competition of who knows more. Well, I can tell you
that
> I know nothing, and I mean that in the most platonic sense.
>
> This is no longer discourse, it is an open attack on an imposed position
> that you constructed around me and that I am not interested in feeding.
I
> am done with this discussion. But since you previously called me an
amateur,
> I will leave you with this quote, which proves that I would be an amateur
> any day:
>
> "The intellectual today ought to be an amateur, someone who considers that
> to be a thinking and concerned member of a society one is entitled to
raise
> moral issues at the heart of even the most technical and professionalized
> activity as it involves one's country, its power, its mode of interacting
> with its citizens as well as with other societies. [...] instead of doing
> what one is supposed to do one can ask why one does it, who benefits from
> it, how can it reconnect with a personal project and original thoughts."
> -- Edward Said from Representations of the Intellectual. pp. 82-83
>
> It is with such respect that I now leave you.
>
> Good bye,
>
> Eduardo Navas
> http://www.navasse.net
> http://www.netartreview.net
>
>
>
>
that.You are just small,egoistic diletant,who is so pathethic that is
frigting to public all my article.You have to deserve to be my anemy,litle
shit.Your miserable covered behind phrase like "live in United States"make
me seek.I expect honest people to read my article vithout prejudice.
MANIK
----- Original Message -----
From: "Eduardo Navas" <eduardo@navasse.net>
To: "manik" <manik@ptt.yu>
Cc: <list@rhizome.org>
Sent: Monday, July 14, 2003 6:26 AM
Subject: Re: RHIZOME_RAW: Re: Re: attempting to share net.art with friends &
family
> > Peace,what else?Thread is that you don't understand MANIK's high defined
> > opinion about your issue.On the other side you expect understanding from
> > people without any knowledge about cultural context,environment for
> > structuralize specific area which we called art(ancient Greek called
that
> > tecne,and MANIK prefer that word).Also,we are not in court,we talking
> > free,hyperbolic,parabolic,metaphoric...etc.
> <--snip-->
>
> "Peace" is a way of saying "good bye," other people might use "best" or
> "sincerely."
>
> I am not sure what happened here? We were part of a thread dealing with
> sharing net-art with family and friends and this one turned into a
pointing
> game.
>
> Throughout the thread I was "otherized" by you. Now, I have become a
> metaphorical enemy of yours simply because I live in the United States.
> And, since you probably read my biography on Rhizome, or did a search on
> google, you realize that I may know a thing or two and expect me to prove
to
> you that I am worthy of your attention?
>
> In the first place, my writing should have been sufficient. I honestly
have
> really enjoyed the thread, and feel really bad that it ends this way. You
> have completely personalized my comments, and this only leads to arbitrary
> attacks with no productive outcome. Everyone who has contributed to this
> thread was merely trying to understand the complex issues behind sharing
net
> art with friends and families. And now this has been thrown out the
window
> and turned into a competition of who knows more. Well, I can tell you
that
> I know nothing, and I mean that in the most platonic sense.
>
> This is no longer discourse, it is an open attack on an imposed position
> that you constructed around me and that I am not interested in feeding.
I
> am done with this discussion. But since you previously called me an
amateur,
> I will leave you with this quote, which proves that I would be an amateur
> any day:
>
> "The intellectual today ought to be an amateur, someone who considers that
> to be a thinking and concerned member of a society one is entitled to
raise
> moral issues at the heart of even the most technical and professionalized
> activity as it involves one's country, its power, its mode of interacting
> with its citizens as well as with other societies. [...] instead of doing
> what one is supposed to do one can ask why one does it, who benefits from
> it, how can it reconnect with a personal project and original thoughts."
> -- Edward Said from Representations of the Intellectual. pp. 82-83
>
> It is with such respect that I now leave you.
>
> Good bye,
>
> Eduardo Navas
> http://www.navasse.net
> http://www.netartreview.net
>
>
>
>
Fw: RHIZOME_RAW: Re: Re: attempting to share net.art with friends & family
----- Original Message -----
From: "manik" <manik@ptt.yu>
To: "Eduardo Navas" <eduardo@navasse.net>
Sent: Saturday, June 14, 2003 6:21 AM
Subject: Re: RHIZOME_RAW: Re: Re: attempting to share net.art with friends &
family
> Peace,what else?Thread is that you don't understand MANIK's high defined
> opinion about your issue.On the other side you expect understanding from
> people without any knowledge about cultural context,environment for
> structuralize specific area which we called art(ancient Greek called that
> tecne,and MANIK prefer that word).Also,we are not in court,we talking
> free,hyperbolic,parabolic,metaphoric...etc.MANIK is not pupil in low
school
> to be constantly close to fact,thread,or corpus delicti.She's able to make
> spiral ways to make her conclusion.After all it's bit seed to talk about
> family stuff,as well educated man you've read Deleuze&Guattary book Anti
> Edip,so it's not necessary to remind our audience about family
> psychopathology.So MANIK can not let you down.In area of amateur he's
going
> to be patient and expend you every her word(MANIK is mixture between two
> sexes,two person,schizophrenically projection of modern existent).How to
> explained art to death rabbit?Well known Beuys work.As you know Subjects
> liberation begin with understanding and rejection seek and,basically
> destructive family relationship.D&G idea is that we must see basically
idea
> of parents;in their"death wish"child is third angle of family
> triangle.Parents kill their child,that's their main idea.So,America as a
Big
> Daddy kill his child.Can you give me proper answer;if America want to be
> Main Subject,how came that she destroy people(you
> know,Serbs,Iraqi...etc).Isn't it bit perverse?But America is not
> Subject,that's Habermas stupid idea.America is something "in front of
> Subject"something that make really Subject to be seen in blur,like shadow
in
> bush.Main Subject is so called Term Capitalism with his
> structure:globalization,unipolarity,new economic order(drastic different
> between poor and rich),enormous corporation and also enormous power in
hand
> of few hundred people...That's 37 degree in Belgrade.As you know energy is
> constant and every destabilization make chain reaction.Earth
> shake,meteorologically disaster.Everybody who ask you considered your
> art"How much money can you made with that?"actually ask are you ready to
be
> part of their world,do you support their value system.Techne mean to
produce
> sense,highest level of techne is produce beauty.Beauty is most subversive
> essence which mankind could produce.So,they actually ask you"Are you
> dangerous to make something out of exchanging,something without equivalent
> in our world?"Because you are artist,your answer is YES,and you became
their
> enemy.That's the price.Amateurs newer take risk to say YES to techne.I
hope
> your answer makes you worth of MANIK's precious time.
> Best wishes
> MArijaNIKola
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Eduardo Navas" <eduardo@navasse.net>
> To: "manik" <manik@ptt.yu>
> Sent: Monday, July 14, 2003 12:27 AM
> Subject: Re: RHIZOME_RAW: Re: Re: attempting to share net.art with friends
&
> family
>
>
> >
> >
> > > Dear Eduardo,
> > > Temperature in Belgrade today was 37 Celsius degree.Sans meteorology
> > existed
> > > in our town(125 years),it is highest temperature in June.MANIK is
filthy
> > and
> > > rough player,he is not someone who produce question,he ecstatically
> > > destroying borders of uniformed and common sense oppininion.America
with
> > > "power atomic' bomb produce sufficed of energy on planet and slowly
> > destroy
> > > Earth.
> >
> > What does this have to do with the thread? I think we may be getting
> > distracted here...
> >
> > MANIK's role is to make stabile and idyllic situation in "world of
> > > art"(whatever it that means).Unfortunately painting is not
> > example,painting
> > > is symptom.Francesco Bonami,selector of 50-th Venetian biennial 2003
> > loudly
> > > and enthusiastic pronounce "return of painting".Isn't it exactly what
> > > A.B.Oliva do in early 80-th with transavangarda?Of course you don't
know
> > > that.It seems to me that you are to young to remember those
> > thinks.But,it's
> > > not excuse for your ignorance.Read,learn,...why all that books
> > > existed?
> >
> > Some assumptions are made here. How do you know what books I have read
or
> > not read? Have you been to my personal library? Again, we are
deviating
> > from the original thread of discussing why it is hard to explain the
> purpose
> > of net art to friends and family.
> >
> > >So,your marxistic background and methodology show you that MANIK is
> > > relict of postmodern state of mind from later 20th Century?
> >
> > A Marxist methodology was used for the discussion, but I do not abide to
a
> > specific methodology. And when I mentioned postmodernism it was to
> > contextualize your premise in a way that made sense to me. Nietzsche is
> > great. I have tackled his ideas a number of times.
> >
> > >Net.art have
> > > status as any art form on the world.Venetian biennial 2001 was full of
> > > net.artist.Same thing was in Manifesta in Frankfurt 2002(MANIK was
there
> > > with work"Luxurious").Quantity became quality,than we hawed something
> > > "new".MANIK is OTHER for everybody who try to established any kind of
> > > ART.
> >
> > I agree with this, but again, the discussion is about friends and family
> who
> > may not be part of the art world. Of course net art is having a great
> > amount of attention around the world, but it is still happening at an
> > academic and research based institutions. the word net-art is not part
of
> a
> > global vernacular.
> >
> > >Lisa Sabater make nice meal for you.You should be grateful
> > > for that.
> >
> > I think I did a decent job in responding to Lisa's eloquent comment.
> >
> > >MANIK think that you must learn a lot.Also MANIK is tired of
> > > extremely low level on Rhizome.He's seek and tired to learn amateur
how
> to
> > > make firs steps in wide field of cultural life which we called art.Is
> > there
> > > any better list?Obviously beginners is to strong stuff for poor
> > rhizomers.No
> > > more free lessons!
> > > MANIK
> >
> > Well, I am glad you think of me as an amateur, it gives me hope for
> > improvement. And it is too bad that you do not wish to share your
> > knowledge. I guess this ends this thread.
> >
> > Oh, well.
> >
> > Peace,
> >
> > Eduardo Navas
> > http://www.navasse.net
> > http://www.netartreview.net
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
From: "manik" <manik@ptt.yu>
To: "Eduardo Navas" <eduardo@navasse.net>
Sent: Saturday, June 14, 2003 6:21 AM
Subject: Re: RHIZOME_RAW: Re: Re: attempting to share net.art with friends &
family
> Peace,what else?Thread is that you don't understand MANIK's high defined
> opinion about your issue.On the other side you expect understanding from
> people without any knowledge about cultural context,environment for
> structuralize specific area which we called art(ancient Greek called that
> tecne,and MANIK prefer that word).Also,we are not in court,we talking
> free,hyperbolic,parabolic,metaphoric...etc.MANIK is not pupil in low
school
> to be constantly close to fact,thread,or corpus delicti.She's able to make
> spiral ways to make her conclusion.After all it's bit seed to talk about
> family stuff,as well educated man you've read Deleuze&Guattary book Anti
> Edip,so it's not necessary to remind our audience about family
> psychopathology.So MANIK can not let you down.In area of amateur he's
going
> to be patient and expend you every her word(MANIK is mixture between two
> sexes,two person,schizophrenically projection of modern existent).How to
> explained art to death rabbit?Well known Beuys work.As you know Subjects
> liberation begin with understanding and rejection seek and,basically
> destructive family relationship.D&G idea is that we must see basically
idea
> of parents;in their"death wish"child is third angle of family
> triangle.Parents kill their child,that's their main idea.So,America as a
Big
> Daddy kill his child.Can you give me proper answer;if America want to be
> Main Subject,how came that she destroy people(you
> know,Serbs,Iraqi...etc).Isn't it bit perverse?But America is not
> Subject,that's Habermas stupid idea.America is something "in front of
> Subject"something that make really Subject to be seen in blur,like shadow
in
> bush.Main Subject is so called Term Capitalism with his
> structure:globalization,unipolarity,new economic order(drastic different
> between poor and rich),enormous corporation and also enormous power in
hand
> of few hundred people...That's 37 degree in Belgrade.As you know energy is
> constant and every destabilization make chain reaction.Earth
> shake,meteorologically disaster.Everybody who ask you considered your
> art"How much money can you made with that?"actually ask are you ready to
be
> part of their world,do you support their value system.Techne mean to
produce
> sense,highest level of techne is produce beauty.Beauty is most subversive
> essence which mankind could produce.So,they actually ask you"Are you
> dangerous to make something out of exchanging,something without equivalent
> in our world?"Because you are artist,your answer is YES,and you became
their
> enemy.That's the price.Amateurs newer take risk to say YES to techne.I
hope
> your answer makes you worth of MANIK's precious time.
> Best wishes
> MArijaNIKola
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Eduardo Navas" <eduardo@navasse.net>
> To: "manik" <manik@ptt.yu>
> Sent: Monday, July 14, 2003 12:27 AM
> Subject: Re: RHIZOME_RAW: Re: Re: attempting to share net.art with friends
&
> family
>
>
> >
> >
> > > Dear Eduardo,
> > > Temperature in Belgrade today was 37 Celsius degree.Sans meteorology
> > existed
> > > in our town(125 years),it is highest temperature in June.MANIK is
filthy
> > and
> > > rough player,he is not someone who produce question,he ecstatically
> > > destroying borders of uniformed and common sense oppininion.America
with
> > > "power atomic' bomb produce sufficed of energy on planet and slowly
> > destroy
> > > Earth.
> >
> > What does this have to do with the thread? I think we may be getting
> > distracted here...
> >
> > MANIK's role is to make stabile and idyllic situation in "world of
> > > art"(whatever it that means).Unfortunately painting is not
> > example,painting
> > > is symptom.Francesco Bonami,selector of 50-th Venetian biennial 2003
> > loudly
> > > and enthusiastic pronounce "return of painting".Isn't it exactly what
> > > A.B.Oliva do in early 80-th with transavangarda?Of course you don't
know
> > > that.It seems to me that you are to young to remember those
> > thinks.But,it's
> > > not excuse for your ignorance.Read,learn,...why all that books
> > > existed?
> >
> > Some assumptions are made here. How do you know what books I have read
or
> > not read? Have you been to my personal library? Again, we are
deviating
> > from the original thread of discussing why it is hard to explain the
> purpose
> > of net art to friends and family.
> >
> > >So,your marxistic background and methodology show you that MANIK is
> > > relict of postmodern state of mind from later 20th Century?
> >
> > A Marxist methodology was used for the discussion, but I do not abide to
a
> > specific methodology. And when I mentioned postmodernism it was to
> > contextualize your premise in a way that made sense to me. Nietzsche is
> > great. I have tackled his ideas a number of times.
> >
> > >Net.art have
> > > status as any art form on the world.Venetian biennial 2001 was full of
> > > net.artist.Same thing was in Manifesta in Frankfurt 2002(MANIK was
there
> > > with work"Luxurious").Quantity became quality,than we hawed something
> > > "new".MANIK is OTHER for everybody who try to established any kind of
> > > ART.
> >
> > I agree with this, but again, the discussion is about friends and family
> who
> > may not be part of the art world. Of course net art is having a great
> > amount of attention around the world, but it is still happening at an
> > academic and research based institutions. the word net-art is not part
of
> a
> > global vernacular.
> >
> > >Lisa Sabater make nice meal for you.You should be grateful
> > > for that.
> >
> > I think I did a decent job in responding to Lisa's eloquent comment.
> >
> > >MANIK think that you must learn a lot.Also MANIK is tired of
> > > extremely low level on Rhizome.He's seek and tired to learn amateur
how
> to
> > > make firs steps in wide field of cultural life which we called art.Is
> > there
> > > any better list?Obviously beginners is to strong stuff for poor
> > rhizomers.No
> > > more free lessons!
> > > MANIK
> >
> > Well, I am glad you think of me as an amateur, it gives me hope for
> > improvement. And it is too bad that you do not wish to share your
> > knowledge. I guess this ends this thread.
> >
> > Oh, well.
> >
> > Peace,
> >
> > Eduardo Navas
> > http://www.navasse.net
> > http://www.netartreview.net
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
Re: Re: Re: attempting to share net.art with friends & family
Dear Eduardo,
Temperature in Belgrade today was 37 Celsius degree.Sans meteorology existed
in our town(125 years),it is highest temperature in June.MANIK is filthy and
rough player,he is not someone who produce question,he ecstatically
destroying borders of uniformed and common sense oppininion.America with
"power atomic' bomb produce sufficed of energy on planet and slowly destroy
Earth.MANIK's role is to make stabile and idyllic situation in "world of
art"(whatever it that means).Unfortunately painting is not example,painting
is symptom.Francesco Bonami,selector of 50-th Venetian biennial 2003 loudly
and enthusiastic pronounce "return of painting".Isn't it exactly what
A.B.Oliva do in early 80-th with transavangarda?Of course you don't know
that.It seems to me that you are to young to remember those thinks.But,it's
not excuse for your ignorance.Read,learn,...why all that books
existed?So,your marxistic background and methodology show you that MANIK is
relict of postmodern state of mind from later 20th Century?Net.art have
status as any art form on the world.Venetian biennial 2001 was full of
net.artist.Same thing was in Manifesta in Frankfurt 2002(MANIK was there
with work"Luxurious").Quantity became quality,than we hawed something
"new".MANIK is OTHER for everybody who try to established any kind of
ART.There's nothing "new" in post historical epoch.All we have is different
form of transgression,witch is best way to make turbo capital
alive(seeR.Kraus for instance,with her articles about minimal art).After
ecstatic inauguration net.technology in world of art,it seems to me that we
could expect also ecstatic art market,with art
object(sculpture,painting,drawing...etc),after that net.art again...That's
eternal return.Lisa Sabater make nice meal for you.You should be grateful
for that.MANIK think that you must learn a lot.Also MANIK is tired of
extremely low level on Rhizome.He's seek and tired to learn amateur how to
make firs steps in wide field of cultural life which we called art.Is there
any better list?Obviously beginners is to strong stuff for poor rhizomers.No
more free lessons!
MANIK
From: "Eduardo Navas" <eduardo@navasse.net>
To: "manik" <manik@ptt.yu>
Cc: <list@rhizome.org>
Sent: Friday, June 13, 2003 7:47 PM
Subject: Re: RHIZOME_RAW: Re: Re: attempting to share net.art with friends &
family
> >My
> > message,if we can considered that as a message is that in eternal return
> > people trying again and again to find answers.Art is not answer.Destiny
is
> > more closer,but someone who think about him self as an artist replaced
> > destiny with art.That's the reason you cry for some justice,for
lucrative
> > painting instead net.art,which is same think.Small community are one of
> ways
> > to make life comfortable.Isn't it old,and in same time brand new idea?
>
> I see your point on the constant questioning. I think the realization of
> this eventually led to what some people labeled as postmodern in the later
> 20th Century. However, I am not crying for justice, I was only adopting a
> Marxist methodology to entertain why it might be hard for most people to
see
> a point in net art. Painting was only used as an example because it is a
> common form related with artists in the community at large.
>
> > About homosematics,what people answer on some question we can discus
after
> > you wrote something about what SERBS answer when you ask them"What do
you
> > do?"
> > MANIK
>
> Of course this is always different for communities around the world. We
> should keep in mind that the role of the artist does have a very different
> connotation in the United States than in Latin America, Europe, Australia,
> etc. Answer the question "What do you do?"can be quite an experience, no?
>
> Best,
>
> Eduardo Navas
>
>
>
Temperature in Belgrade today was 37 Celsius degree.Sans meteorology existed
in our town(125 years),it is highest temperature in June.MANIK is filthy and
rough player,he is not someone who produce question,he ecstatically
destroying borders of uniformed and common sense oppininion.America with
"power atomic' bomb produce sufficed of energy on planet and slowly destroy
Earth.MANIK's role is to make stabile and idyllic situation in "world of
art"(whatever it that means).Unfortunately painting is not example,painting
is symptom.Francesco Bonami,selector of 50-th Venetian biennial 2003 loudly
and enthusiastic pronounce "return of painting".Isn't it exactly what
A.B.Oliva do in early 80-th with transavangarda?Of course you don't know
that.It seems to me that you are to young to remember those thinks.But,it's
not excuse for your ignorance.Read,learn,...why all that books
existed?So,your marxistic background and methodology show you that MANIK is
relict of postmodern state of mind from later 20th Century?Net.art have
status as any art form on the world.Venetian biennial 2001 was full of
net.artist.Same thing was in Manifesta in Frankfurt 2002(MANIK was there
with work"Luxurious").Quantity became quality,than we hawed something
"new".MANIK is OTHER for everybody who try to established any kind of
ART.There's nothing "new" in post historical epoch.All we have is different
form of transgression,witch is best way to make turbo capital
alive(seeR.Kraus for instance,with her articles about minimal art).After
ecstatic inauguration net.technology in world of art,it seems to me that we
could expect also ecstatic art market,with art
object(sculpture,painting,drawing...etc),after that net.art again...That's
eternal return.Lisa Sabater make nice meal for you.You should be grateful
for that.MANIK think that you must learn a lot.Also MANIK is tired of
extremely low level on Rhizome.He's seek and tired to learn amateur how to
make firs steps in wide field of cultural life which we called art.Is there
any better list?Obviously beginners is to strong stuff for poor rhizomers.No
more free lessons!
MANIK
From: "Eduardo Navas" <eduardo@navasse.net>
To: "manik" <manik@ptt.yu>
Cc: <list@rhizome.org>
Sent: Friday, June 13, 2003 7:47 PM
Subject: Re: RHIZOME_RAW: Re: Re: attempting to share net.art with friends &
family
> >My
> > message,if we can considered that as a message is that in eternal return
> > people trying again and again to find answers.Art is not answer.Destiny
is
> > more closer,but someone who think about him self as an artist replaced
> > destiny with art.That's the reason you cry for some justice,for
lucrative
> > painting instead net.art,which is same think.Small community are one of
> ways
> > to make life comfortable.Isn't it old,and in same time brand new idea?
>
> I see your point on the constant questioning. I think the realization of
> this eventually led to what some people labeled as postmodern in the later
> 20th Century. However, I am not crying for justice, I was only adopting a
> Marxist methodology to entertain why it might be hard for most people to
see
> a point in net art. Painting was only used as an example because it is a
> common form related with artists in the community at large.
>
> > About homosematics,what people answer on some question we can discus
after
> > you wrote something about what SERBS answer when you ask them"What do
you
> > do?"
> > MANIK
>
> Of course this is always different for communities around the world. We
> should keep in mind that the role of the artist does have a very different
> connotation in the United States than in Latin America, Europe, Australia,
> etc. Answer the question "What do you do?"can be quite an experience, no?
>
> Best,
>
> Eduardo Navas
>
>
>