manik vauda marija manik nikola pilipovic
Since 2002
Works in United States of America

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BIO
Belgrade artists Marija Vauda and Nikola Pilipovic have been
collaborating as MANIK since 1999.Their work reflects the
march of history, sometimes literally outside their studio, and a
dialogue with the international artistic community through
organisations and events such as Rhizome and Free Manifesta. Tiija is
their first weblog piece, their previous work has been in mediums as
diverse as video, performance, happenings, email, painting and
installation.

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DISCUSSION

Cigar's just cigar


Cigar's just cigar. Always!

Trough time Ideas or Symbols take over 'reality' {[Plato] (which is the sam=
e in eternal return, but let's not complicate word for word is word, but ne=
on word is neon word.etc)}.Man invented time because he need to named reali=
ty. But who invented reality? Myth about 'possibility to speak' (R.Barthes)=
origin from ruling class and it's in function of preserve control. Like ev=
erything else that must be under our careful examination. Result's interest=
ing in any case. For example Noam Chomsky http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noam=
_Chomsky

Trough his generative grammars try to get valid interpretation of "today w=
orld", but look miracle! His discovery's that cigar IS cigar provoke number=
of neurosis. Because now is necessary to try with obvious fact instead sub=
conciousnes projections (J.Koons, paraphrase:"We should be real and objecti=
ve. Subconscious is not important now.")

Fact that Missis Laura support smoking cigar in that light doesn't mean tha=
t she must have something to doo with phallus symbol. Not even in her subco=
nsiousnes.

Rhizome_Raw IS important not because of "art'. It's important because from =
time to time somebody said something different, some voices and meanings fr=
om other spaces, from other intentions reach to our mind trough Raw. Not of=
ten, but.

MANIK

PS:B.B-Man with cigar.
http://www.mulon.de/goetter/goetter_brecht/goetter_brecht.htm=

DISCUSSION

Re: RHIZOME_RAW: Another Announcement on Raw


----- Original Message -----
From: "manik" <manik@sbb.co.yu>
To: "M. River" <mriver102@yahoo.com>; <list@rhizome.org>
Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2007 9:43 PM
Subject: Re: RHIZOME_RAW: Another Announcement on Raw

> With the earthquakes, which will come, I will not let my Virginia go out
> hopefully by bitterest. I, Berthold Brecht, into the bitumen cities strike
> from the black forests in my mother …
>
> (Bei den Erdbeben, die kommen werden, werde ich hoffentlich meine Virginia
> nicht ausgehen lassen durch Bitterkeit. Ich, Bertolt Brecht, in die
> Asphaltstadte verschlagen aus den schwarzen Waldern in meiner Mutter in
> fruher Zeit.)
>
> MTAA is good example how indifference [(in indifferent world, in
> indifferent country(US),in indifferent city(NYC)]supported from
> indifferent art establishment could make ‘name’…Which is
> kewl,blase,decadent…superior…empty,stupid,corect measurement of one world
> in collapse.
>
> Who could resist and try to avoid they charm?
>
> MANIK
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "M. River" <mriver102@yahoo.com>
> To: <list@rhizome.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2007 6:40 PM
> Subject: RHIZOME_RAW: Another Announcement on Raw
>
>
>> For immediate release
>>
>> Who: M.River (aka Michael Sarff) of MTAA and Tinjail.com
>>
>> What: Announces his ambivalence to the “What’s Up With Rhizome Raw These
>> Days Thread?”
>>
>> Where: New York City, Rhizome Raw, and the Interweb.
>>
>> When: Right now, 2007
>>
>> Pull quote: “Yeah, I know, Right”
>>
>> Statement:
>> “Interesting work is being made right now using the net as a location and
>> or source material for art. The conversation around this work is no
>> longer
>> focused (if it ever was) on Rhizome Raw. We planned the decentralization
>> of power in the art world and now this has come back to us. The
>> conversation of net art and digital art in general has spread. This is
>> fine. How Raw acts as a ponit in this conversation is now the project.
>> But
>> yeah, relax. It will be alright. Let's have a cigar.”
>> +
>> -> post: list@rhizome.org
>> -> questions: info@rhizome.org
>> -> subscribe/unsubscribe: http://rhizome.org/preferences/subscribe.rhiz
>> -> give: http://rhizome.org/support
>> +
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DISCUSSION

Re: RHIZOME_RAW: Another Announcement on Raw


> With the earthquakes, which will come, I will not let my Virginia go out
> hopefully by bitterest. I, Berthold Brecht, etc...

den Erdbeben, die kommen werden, werde ich hoffentlich meine Virginia
> nicht ausgehen lassen durch Bitterkeit. Ich, Bertolt Brecht, in die
> Asphaltstadte verschlagen aus den schwarzen Waldern in meiner Mutter in
> fruher Zeit.)
>
> MTAA is good example how indifference [(in indifferent world, in
> indifferent country(US),in indifferent city(NYC)]supported from
> indifferent art establishment could make ‘name’…Which is
> kewl,blase,decadent…superior…empty,stupid,corect measurement of one world
> in collapse.
>
> Who could resist and try to avoid this charm?

MANIK
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "M. River" <mriver102@yahoo.com>
> To: <list@rhizome.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2007 6:40 PM
> Subject: RHIZOME_RAW: Another Announcement on Raw
>
>
>> For immediate release
>>
>> Who: M.River (aka Michael Sarff) of MTAA and Tinjail.com
>>
>> What: Announces his ambivalence to the “What’s Up With Rhizome Raw These
>> Days Thread?”
>>
>> Where: New York City, Rhizome Raw, and the Interweb.
>>
>> When: Right now, 2007
>>
>> Pull quote: “Yeah, I know, Right”
>>
>> Statement:
>> “Interesting work is being made right now using the net as a location and
>> or source material for art. The conversation around this work is no
>> longer
>> focused (if it ever was) on Rhizome Raw. We planned the decentralization
>> of power in the art world and now this has come back to us. The
>> conversation of net art and digital art in general has spread. This is
>> fine. How Raw acts as a ponit in this conversation is now the project.
>> But
>> yeah, relax. It will be alright. Let's have a cigar.”
>> +
>> -> post: list@rhizome.org
>> -> questions: info@rhizome.org
>> -> subscribe/unsubscribe: http://rhizome.org/preferences/subscribe.rhiz
>> -> give: http://rhizome.org/support
>> +
>> Subscribers to Rhizome are subject to the terms set out in the
>> Membership Agreement available online at http://rhizome.org/info/29.php
>>
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DISCUSSION

Re: RHIZOME_RAW: Another Announcement on Raw


With the earthquakes, which will come, I will not let my Virginia go out
hopefully by bitterest. I, Berthold Brecht, into the bitumen cities strike
from the black forests in my mother …

(Bei den Erdbeben, die kommen werden, werde ich hoffentlich meine Virginia
nicht ausgehen lassen durch Bitterkeit. Ich, Bertolt Brecht, in die
Asphaltstadte verschlagen aus den schwarzen Waldern in meiner Mutter in
fruher Zeit.)

MTAA is good example how indifference [(in indifferent world, in indifferent
country(US),in indifferent city(NYC)]supported from indifferent art
establishment could make ‘name’…Which is
kewl,blase,decadent…superior…empty,stupid,corect measurement of one world in
collapse.

Who could resist and try to avoid they charm?

MANIK

----- Original Message -----
From: "M. River" <mriver102@yahoo.com>
To: <list@rhizome.org>
Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2007 6:40 PM
Subject: RHIZOME_RAW: Another Announcement on Raw

> For immediate release
>
> Who: M.River (aka Michael Sarff) of MTAA and Tinjail.com
>
> What: Announces his ambivalence to the “What’s Up With Rhizome Raw These
> Days Thread?”
>
> Where: New York City, Rhizome Raw, and the Interweb.
>
> When: Right now, 2007
>
> Pull quote: “Yeah, I know, Right”
>
> Statement:
> “Interesting work is being made right now using the net as a location and
> or source material for art. The conversation around this work is no longer
> focused (if it ever was) on Rhizome Raw. We planned the decentralization
> of power in the art world and now this has come back to us. The
> conversation of net art and digital art in general has spread. This is
> fine. How Raw acts as a ponit in this conversation is now the project. But
> yeah, relax. It will be alright. Let's have a cigar.”
> +
> -> post: list@rhizome.org
> -> questions: info@rhizome.org
> -> subscribe/unsubscribe: http://rhizome.org/preferences/subscribe.rhiz
> -> give: http://rhizome.org/support
> +
> Subscribers to Rhizome are subject to the terms set out in the
> Membership Agreement available online at http://rhizome.org/info/29.php
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DISCUSSION

Fw: Re: RHIZOME_RAW: Where is the Rhizome?


Hi Max,

(IDEA OF)Tree in [post]structural way of imagination follow spatial type of
visualizing mind(thinking)which could be explained as 'hyerarhical'.That
mean tree couldn't be 'rhizomatic' because in structure its repeat vertical,
or "pyramid "type of imagination(it's not wrong or right, it's just
fact).Vertical imagination mean, in short,base,or root(people) and
administration, leader(treetop).parallels in social structure is
dictatorship and vertical distribution of power(faschism,comunism or
neoliberal/corporative capitalism("West democracy").

Other way supposes dispersion from one point (imagined root) and endless
number of germinate. This is rhizomatic way. You couldn't direct when, how
much, on which place and with how strong intensity grown of some idea is
going to erupt as brand new and equal (with other) worst or better.

That could be anarchy as last level of democracy ('Society of 'Anonymous
strangers') or 'retro distributions of power'-or, horizontal distribution of
power (prehistory tribe with their distribution of social income and
classification of social influence).

That's why we could see image of some swamp plant on (for example) front
page of Rhizome org.We doubt that any of recent Rhizome org. stuff have
knowledge about that. We wish we are wrong.

MANIK hope that, at least, with his observation could help to recognize
problem of 'rhizomatic' on more complex way.

MANIK

PS:We are sure Curt don't mind we answer on your mail.At least all of us try
to understand what's going on here.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Max Herman" <maxnmherman@hotmail.com>
To: <list@rhizome.org>
Sent: Monday, September 03, 2007 10:40 PM
Subject: Re: Re: RHIZOME_RAW: Where is the Rhizome?

>
> Hi Curt,
>
> I noticed in this text by Dreher I didn't think he talked about Guattari.
> Did he?
>
> In any case, I looked up Guattari and found out some interesting things.
>
> First off, his main book was called "1000 Plateaus" where each section was
> dated to represent a time. This reminded me frightfully of my own
> composition of "Genius 2000: a New Network." You may find it impossible
> to believe but I never read 1000 Plateaus and only found out about its
> format today. Oh well. I also never knew that Pascal said "ineffable
> union" as the main idea of life either. But that's also not believable to
> hear me say that.
>
> Anyhow, I noticed that Guattari wanted to counter the "rhizome"
> composition or form to the "arborescent" i.e. tree-like I would guess.
>
> I've also used the image of the tree in my ideas for a while, such as
> "Political Aesthetics." I think the tree aspect of aesthetics is pretty
> good and important however so I'm curious why Guattari didn't like it.
>
> Moreover, Guattari's final Plateau is the "noosphere," which is Teilhard
> de Chardin, who P.B. Medawar is very against, and I cited Medawar in
> Political Aesthetics also.
>
> Maybe it's relevant that computers use a tree structure more so than a
> rhizome structure? Or, sometimes they do? Maybe history goes back and
> forth, favoring a tree sometimes or a rhizome at other times but neither
> one is evil per se.
>
>
>
>>From: curt cloninger <curt@lab404.com>
>>Reply-To: curt cloninger <curt@lab404.com>
>>To: list@rhizome.org
>>Subject: Re: Re: RHIZOME_RAW: Where is the Rhizome?
>>Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2007 23:41:31 -0400
>>
>>I think one way to make a listserv dangerous is by using it to make actual
>>art rather than as a para-art promotional platform. This is why posts by
>>NN, kandinsky42, mez, Dirk Vekemans, Max Herman, manik, and others have
>>been poet[h]ically appealing to me. They presume that something is
>>happening on the list itself right now, rather than using the list to
>>dialogue about something happening somewhere else.
>>
>>Here is a perspicacious essay on conceptual software art by Thomas Dreher,
>>translated from German:
>>http://iasl.uni-muenchen.de/links/NAKSe.html
>>
>>Here are the accompanying illustrations in pdf form:
>>http://iasl.uni-muenchen.de/links/NAKSe.pdf (11 Mb)
>>
>>There amongst examples by Cage, George Brecht, Lewitt, and Debord is a
>>piece I posted to RAW in 2005. Dreher's online essay links to my actual
>>rhizome post, which now takes you to a page saying that the post is
>>archived and you can no longer view it unless you pay to become a member.
>>
>>http://lyricwiki.org/The_White_Stripes:Little_Cream_Soda ,
>>Curt
>>
>>+++++++
>>
>>pall wrote:
>>
>>That's a great analogy. I definitely think people should look into
>>making Rhizome "dangerous" again.
>>+
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