manik vauda marija manik nikola pilipovic
Since 2002
Works in United States of America

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BIO
Belgrade artists Marija Vauda and Nikola Pilipovic have been
collaborating as MANIK since 1999.Their work reflects the
march of history, sometimes literally outside their studio, and a
dialogue with the international artistic community through
organisations and events such as Rhizome and Free Manifesta. Tiija is
their first weblog piece, their previous work has been in mediums as
diverse as video, performance, happenings, email, painting and
installation.

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Fw: shit or excrement


----- Original Message -----
From: manik
To: list@rhizome.org
Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2006 11:45 PM
Subject: shit or excrement

I like way Rhizomers ignore MANIK'S insight in current situation in 'art-wo=
rld' .They're so disinterested that we thought-there must be something ugly=
in their mind,they are afraid to talk and it could caused serious frustrat=
ion among them,and also it could be dangerous for pregnant persons,both sex=
(I'm not sexist,you see). Our observation's are result of our preoccupation=
with one of topic(LooSee)on Forum-SEECULTURA on South-East Europe culture =
portal(SEEcult.org) with sites,blogs and other mess-(http://seecult.org/for=
um/viewtopic.php?t=22).we try to arrange .
We know for long time that Western art,except Koons and Sherman,not just st=
ink,it's mummify body,and Net. or net art is just reflection of hers own am=
bition to became art(with all equipment:own history,theory...,or if you pre=
fer family incestuous situations with Fathers,Mothers,Children...but now we=
check material from all over the world and we fell duty to inform you abou=
t our discovery.That's why we talk when we talk about DEARTISATION, to give=
you information and help you if you know how to hear what we talk to you.=

Now Rhizomers talking about net.with or without .!In other words what's cor=
rect in their opinion:shit or excrement?
Alfred Hitchcock teach us lesson:it's hard to see something big and close,H=
ERE!For example it's impossible to see elephant even if he step on your foo=
t.
you just have to invoke comic,or cartoon and beginning enthusiasm regarding=
opportunity considered this ('seventh' and 'eight'...)art indicate,to see =
their place in 'art world' now.same is with nyet.art.you have orgasm with'J=
odi'histeric move all over screen(this is idiotic). modest work of Manovich=
('Soft cinema') provoke exaltation,Cosic rudimental remind on early days of=
computers make you wet(erection)?Cory Archangel with her infantilism make =
you happy,and Shulgin doing I can't describe(but I'll try):one old man drin=
k something from bottle,and screen is full of icon,how clever.NO!
This is all elefantshit and MANIK can't accept exchange testicle for kidney=
's.Be what you want with or...
oh yes;did you see Lauren's interview-nobody from abroad,only American's.T=
hat's loyalty and we appreciate that! From Europe are mentioned only Furter=
field and Shulgin.You know what's the problem:every biggest exhibition on t=
he world can't exist without at least half of American artist.What about th=
at?
Good night Lauren,give kiss to our little Abe The Boy,and don't be upset if=
you've forgot to mentioned somebody.But...yes-this with mentioned only Ame=
ricans is not rhizomatic idea at all.We are on Rhizome org.,didn't we?And y=
ou are main there,and your responsibility's to keep idea of rhizome distrib=
ution of power and information in clean state even in interview.Although yo=
u are American idea of Rhizome's more important than your nationality on pl=
ace where you are now.I suppose nobody force you to take place in Rhizome?

MANIK

DISCUSSION

shit or excrement


I like way Rhizomers ignore MANIK'S insight in current situation in 'art-wo=
rld' .They're so disinterested that we thought-there must be something ugly=
in their mind,they are afraid to talk and it could caused serious frustrat=
ion among them,and also it could be dangerous for pregnant persons,both sex=
(I'm not sexist,you see). Our observation's are result of our preoccupation=
with one of topic(LooSee)on Forum-SEECULTURA on South-East Europe culture =
portal(SEEcult.org) with sites,blogs and other mess-(http://seecult.org/for=
um/viewtopic.php?t=22).we try to arrange .
We know for long time that Western art,except Koons and Sherman,not just st=
ink,it's mummify body,and Net. or net art is just reflection of hers own am=
bition to became art(with all equipment:own history,theory...,or if you pre=
fer family incestuous situations with Fathers,Mothers,Children...but now we=
check material from all over the world and we fell duty to inform you abou=
t our discovery.That's why we talk when we talk about DEARTISATION, to give=
you information and help you if you know how to hear what we talk to you.=

Now Rhizomers talking about net.with or without .!In other words what's cor=
rect in their opinion:shit or excrement?
Alfred Hitchcock teach us lesson:it's hard to see something big and close,H=
ERE!For example it's impossible to see elephant even if he step on your foo=
t.
you just have to invoke comic,or cartoon and beginning enthusiasm regarding=
opportunity considered this ('seventh' and 'eight'...)art indicate,to see =
their place in 'art world' now.same is with nyet.art.you have orgasm with'J=
odi'histeric move all over screen(this is idiotic). modest work of Manovich=
('Soft cinema') provoke exaltation,Cosic rudimental remind on early days of=
computers make you wet(erection)?Cory Archangel with her infantilism make =
you happy,and Shulgin doing I can't describe(but I'll try):one old man drin=
k something from bottle,and screen is full of icon,how clever.NO!
This is all elefantshit and MANIK can't accept exchange testicle for kidne=
y's.Be what you want with or...
oh yes;did you see Lauren's interview-nobody from abroad,only American's.T=
hat's loyalty and we appreciate that! From Europe are mentioned only Furter=
field and Shulgin.You know what's the problem:every biggest exhibition on t=
he world can't exist without at least half of American artist.What about th=
at?
Good night Lauren,give kiss to our little Abe The Boy,and don't be upset if=
you've forgot to mentioned somebody.But...yes-this with mentioned only Ame=
ricans is not rhizomatic idea at all.We are on Rhizome org.,didn't we?And y=
ou are main there,and your responsibility's to keep idea of rhizome distrib=
ution of power and information in clean state even in interview.Although yo=
u are American idea of Rhizome's more important than your nationality on pl=
ace where you are now.I suppose nobody force you to take place in Rhizome?

MANIK

DISCUSSION

DEARTISATION


7/26/06 4:03:52 AM,toegristle <corey@toegristle.com>corey wrote:
>"nyet art"... that is pretty awesome. :)
>corey
It is a meter of fact-yes! it is awesome,but this is very meek expression
which pointed on deep crisis in west civilization,including art,of
course.It's not complete shocking(?) to remind here on long and never
(actually)finished tradition of
conoclasm( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iconoclasm ),or considered gentle
version(more personal,and pointed to psychology-Aniconism
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aniconism ).
Unfortunately this processes of dehumanization and dangerous crisis of
re-presentation of essential mental transversal in last years take bright
shape,and in universal devaluation of constitutive value which make some
'democratic'form of social system,acceptable for stultify crowd corporative
way of solve problems take inviolability place in 'world of art'.American
liberalism lean (on)destruction even idea of individualism(they replace
individual financial success with individualism as expression of ethic and
making own decision far from money,or far from control.)
We,MANIK,are happy to be together and our life could be(at least we
hope)occupied with preserve of basic ethic/aesthetic value which make us
human(it's became abusive word...recently).
Fact that we couldn't see any art around doesn't mean that there isn't
any.Just everything we've seen is boring,stupid,there're nothing original as
sensitivity in feeling of doing something we still call 'art'.
Not"Nyet art",not even 'painting or any other media couldn't bring something
immanent to man.We believe that some serious revival of rudimental(but not
religious,or fascist of course)Iconoclasm could forced some changes,or
questions,at least.
I suggest you to see some interesting mental praxis:
http://subsol.c3.hu/subsol_2/contributors3/misianotext.html
http://www.unt.edu/honors/eaglefeather/2005_Issue/Nersesova4.shtml
http://prelectur.stanford.edu/lecturers/garber/symptoms.html

MANIK

DISCUSSION

SPY(?)


We've meet young man in Sofija(Bulgaria) few years ago,peaceful,average...
He was always busy with writing something and make photography.Behind his
look of polite 'art' connoisseur,few month latter we discover his real
profession-he is spy.Who told us that?-man from Ukraine who work for their
Soros organisation.Maybe this guy,who wrote this
http://roadtrip.submarinechannel.com/content/view.jsp?first=true&itemidW26
about Prishtina,replace the other guy(who is in Indija,why not(?),and
meditate in some ashram trying to find his real essence.)Every time when
MANIK remind the public about Kosovo some shithead have some quasi easy
about the same.
Why don't you tell to public on Rhizome about Bondstil(bigest American
military base in Europe,and also that this guys share not so happy future
with other people in Kosovo who was literaly fill with powered uranium from
NATO bombers 1999,and that we espected significant growth of different kind
of cancer in next few years,and deformation in fetuses.)Good luck American
soldiers from Bondstil.I'm sure your country is going to take care for you.
MANIK

Somebody wrote.(<info@submarinechannel.com>)7/26/06 1:14:06 PM:RHIZOME_RAW:
Art After Crisis: Online documentary
Art After Crisis is a 'RoadTrip' by traveling writer Chris Keulemans. Ever
since his first visit to wartime Sarajevo, Chris has been fascinated by the
way artists reinvent their work, their city and their life after a period of
war or dictatorship. Art finds a place for traumatic and violent memories,
it mirrors the shaky present and it looks forward while others are still
paralyzed.

Art After Crisis launched in April with Chris' report from Beirut. These
past months, Chris has travelled to two Balkan cities: Prishtina and Tirana.
The travel stories, audio interviews, video shots, the photographs of his
girlfriend and co-traveler Riette Mellink are online. And of course, the new
art of the cities itself. Check out the Beirut Metro Map, the Tirana pyramid
or the new video artists of Prishtina.

http://www.submarinechannel.com/artaftercrisis

Keulemans will continue his trips through these cities: Sarajevo, Sofia,
Algiers, Jakarta, Kabul, Buenos Aires, New York, Baghdad...

DISCUSSION

RHIZOME_RAW: Re: Re: Re: Re: net art?


No,Steve OR Steven Read,I said No again you're wrong in such a way as white
f(blur)n rabbit could be wrong and I'm sure you know how they can be
wrong.Young rabbit especially,with blue eyes and Adidas sneakers on ears.Now
you could see how wrong you are because there's nothing wrong with nyet
art,or in other words 'this'come and go like winds,and other things (too) in
art are in same process,wind's everywhere in 'art'.DEARTISATION's general
process,not so tight connect with nyet art,but,being exposed to enormous
quantity of aggressive theorize this particularly branch of new media IMO
bit force own infrastructure(theory,history,aesthetic...etc)in hurry to
became part of 'oficial'art(whatever it is).But teach by experience of
photography we should be careful in define place of this specific
activity(nyet art).just I haven't seen anything in nyet art significant
enough to touch one special place in my entity.Why?There's one and only
reason-it's crisis in art(in general),that's THE DEARTISATION,something
terrible and destructive rule in world,there's no ethic,result's disappear
of aesthetic-lie's truth and vice versa,one pestilence devastate whole
world,arrogant and bloody...I'm sure you know about which country I'm
talking about.In this circumstance art could exist only in indication.Maybe
more in painting,but not necessary.There's also performance in
art,happenings,MANIK,and other phenomenon who keep some hope for
humanity.Fragile,more fragile than mighty,but it keep some hardly to
distinguish essence(not smell as you said in your uncultured 'inspiration'.
MANIK

/25/06 10:09:33 PM,Steve wrote:
It has become fashionable to bring internet/media art ideas into 'real'
spaces, integrating with nature or urban areas or galleries or mechanics or
such. These fashions come and go like the winds. This has happened with
painting too, but luckily painting always 'triumphs' and comes back strong
time and time again. Hopefully the same will be true for the
fill-in-the-blank flavor of 'new media art' which one personally digs,
net.art or otherwise. I don't think net.art is already dead, maybe it just
smells a little funny?