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BIO
Belgrade artists Marija Vauda and Nikola Pilipovic have been
collaborating as MANIK since 1999.Their work reflects the
march of history, sometimes literally outside their studio, and a
dialogue with the international artistic community through
organisations and events such as Rhizome and Free Manifesta. Tiija is
their first weblog piece, their previous work has been in mediums as
diverse as video, performance, happenings, email, painting and
installation.
collaborating as MANIK since 1999.Their work reflects the
march of history, sometimes literally outside their studio, and a
dialogue with the international artistic community through
organisations and events such as Rhizome and Free Manifesta. Tiija is
their first weblog piece, their previous work has been in mediums as
diverse as video, performance, happenings, email, painting and
installation.
WHERE IS THE RHIZOME?
As always MANIK goes far ahead with ideas and observations. Considered Rhiz=
ome front page: its look like many other Organizations front page. And cont=
ent's same as everywhere.Which mean no trace of something creative. Art-in =
one word.
But "first blood" was Pall's lucid analysis considered Raw.
We wonder how came so many well educated people could observe Raw as separa=
te phenomenon with its own rules, like something which existed in world far=
from any social and ethic /aesthetic fermentation(?!?)Global situation in =
World is very different sense day 'Berlin wall' fall ('89). Other words-thi=
s event mark day when fascism officially win after 44 years! Of course lead=
ing role was USA.Disintegrate of former USSR and bloody war in former Yugos=
lavia were only few consequences of this catastrophy.USA felt so strong to=
take obvious step against civilization and low norm with bombing Serbia '9=
9.NATO and filthy propaganda 'about Serbs ethnical cleaning'(it's just oppo=
site, about 200.000 Serbs was throw out from Kosovo that time and they stil=
l live in Serbia like 'internal displaced persons')was poor excuse for main=
ly USA interest in this area (Kosovo)where America install largest military=
base on the world,Bondsteel.
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/facility/camp-bondsteel.htm
Lowly?
But, meanwhile Russia with president Putin find out what's in The Bush.Suro=
unded with republic from former USSR(Georgija,Ukraine,Moldavia.etc)where U=
SA influence became very hard,Rusian decided to make 'bipolar' world. In fe=
w words: Amerika can't make bullshit all over the world anymore. For exampl=
e-USA need Kosovo for strategic control over south Euro-Asia, but now they =
are faced with serious threat.Russia have huge nuclear potential, and also =
they're pissed on American sense they humiliate them in '99 bombing Kosovo.=
President Gorbachov was blackmailed idiot, Jelcin was drunk full, but now =
with Putin American have big problem. War in Iraq goes bad for America-to m=
any dead people. In America slowly but surely grow unpleasant comprehension=
about limitations and serious dangerous for they own safety. In few days w=
e could refresh our memories (9/11) and ask ourselves is there any positive=
change in the world sense this date and this happening (?)We doubt.
New constellation in world strategic (count also on China and India growing=
economic power) and possible Iran atomic bomb.That look like bad dream for=
USA? And it is. In next few month America must make a mowe.USA administrat=
ion promise independent to Shiptars from Kosovo but it won't be easy like =
in '99.Why?Because,one tiny example which is main point. We think (MANIK) t=
o endure possible new NATO bombing more than 79 days as it was last time. T=
hat mean we don't care for our life's anymore. After 17 years of isolation,=
sanction, all kind of humiliation we understand it's better to die than to=
live like slave of American anti-human rule. That also mean we have nothin=
g to loose and we (following) Baudrillard's words could be very dangerous i=
n any sense of this word. America live in overrate Myth of value of life, o=
n the other side this "life "mean American life, not other people life, whi=
ch mean it's all pure rascism.Baudrillard said (paraphrase):"Live in desac=
ralised country(USA)mean that their idea of life have no support in any ot=
her area of spiritual sphere. Idea of sacrifice in Muslim religion show all=
vulnerable of American tiny "ideology"."
What are you going to doo with your precious lifes? Intercontinental missil=
e doesn't care for distance.We believe it's time to live your unconscious a=
nd start to prepare for new big war.Or to change your ideology.That'l be ha=
rd? And that's why you should think about war.
Now, when we became conscience about this unhappy and ugly world, about inj=
ustice which goes far over possibility to call mercy for people who commit =
them (no mercy) about what we could talk on Raw.
That's The Reason Rhizome_Raw's empty, pathetic, and full of nonsense calls=
for submissions.
It could be some tiny chance to talk about dangerous which came so fast and=
inexorability.
First you must forget art and ephemeral thing. In time of dangerous Muses a=
re quiet.
MANIK
ome front page: its look like many other Organizations front page. And cont=
ent's same as everywhere.Which mean no trace of something creative. Art-in =
one word.
But "first blood" was Pall's lucid analysis considered Raw.
We wonder how came so many well educated people could observe Raw as separa=
te phenomenon with its own rules, like something which existed in world far=
from any social and ethic /aesthetic fermentation(?!?)Global situation in =
World is very different sense day 'Berlin wall' fall ('89). Other words-thi=
s event mark day when fascism officially win after 44 years! Of course lead=
ing role was USA.Disintegrate of former USSR and bloody war in former Yugos=
lavia were only few consequences of this catastrophy.USA felt so strong to=
take obvious step against civilization and low norm with bombing Serbia '9=
9.NATO and filthy propaganda 'about Serbs ethnical cleaning'(it's just oppo=
site, about 200.000 Serbs was throw out from Kosovo that time and they stil=
l live in Serbia like 'internal displaced persons')was poor excuse for main=
ly USA interest in this area (Kosovo)where America install largest military=
base on the world,Bondsteel.
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/facility/camp-bondsteel.htm
Lowly?
But, meanwhile Russia with president Putin find out what's in The Bush.Suro=
unded with republic from former USSR(Georgija,Ukraine,Moldavia.etc)where U=
SA influence became very hard,Rusian decided to make 'bipolar' world. In fe=
w words: Amerika can't make bullshit all over the world anymore. For exampl=
e-USA need Kosovo for strategic control over south Euro-Asia, but now they =
are faced with serious threat.Russia have huge nuclear potential, and also =
they're pissed on American sense they humiliate them in '99 bombing Kosovo.=
President Gorbachov was blackmailed idiot, Jelcin was drunk full, but now =
with Putin American have big problem. War in Iraq goes bad for America-to m=
any dead people. In America slowly but surely grow unpleasant comprehension=
about limitations and serious dangerous for they own safety. In few days w=
e could refresh our memories (9/11) and ask ourselves is there any positive=
change in the world sense this date and this happening (?)We doubt.
New constellation in world strategic (count also on China and India growing=
economic power) and possible Iran atomic bomb.That look like bad dream for=
USA? And it is. In next few month America must make a mowe.USA administrat=
ion promise independent to Shiptars from Kosovo but it won't be easy like =
in '99.Why?Because,one tiny example which is main point. We think (MANIK) t=
o endure possible new NATO bombing more than 79 days as it was last time. T=
hat mean we don't care for our life's anymore. After 17 years of isolation,=
sanction, all kind of humiliation we understand it's better to die than to=
live like slave of American anti-human rule. That also mean we have nothin=
g to loose and we (following) Baudrillard's words could be very dangerous i=
n any sense of this word. America live in overrate Myth of value of life, o=
n the other side this "life "mean American life, not other people life, whi=
ch mean it's all pure rascism.Baudrillard said (paraphrase):"Live in desac=
ralised country(USA)mean that their idea of life have no support in any ot=
her area of spiritual sphere. Idea of sacrifice in Muslim religion show all=
vulnerable of American tiny "ideology"."
What are you going to doo with your precious lifes? Intercontinental missil=
e doesn't care for distance.We believe it's time to live your unconscious a=
nd start to prepare for new big war.Or to change your ideology.That'l be ha=
rd? And that's why you should think about war.
Now, when we became conscience about this unhappy and ugly world, about inj=
ustice which goes far over possibility to call mercy for people who commit =
them (no mercy) about what we could talk on Raw.
That's The Reason Rhizome_Raw's empty, pathetic, and full of nonsense calls=
for submissions.
It could be some tiny chance to talk about dangerous which came so fast and=
inexorability.
First you must forget art and ephemeral thing. In time of dangerous Muses a=
re quiet.
MANIK
Fw: RHIZOME_RAW: dates and essence
MANIK
MANIK,SEPTEMBER 2,2007.
----- Original Message -----
From: "manik" <manik@sbb.co.yu>
To: <list@rhizome.org>
Sent: Monday, July 31, 2006 12:07 PM
Subject: RHIZOME_RAW: dot.com implosion killed net art?
> Our meditations about interlaced,influence and connections between state
> in
> society and it's reflection on "Art Computing"so unmistakable ignored on
> Rhizome_Raw that we've finally came closer to trap/mistake we made in our
> own praxis.If we talk about difficulty to see and accept something
> obvious/close/near(that hurt!)how could we ask exactly the same from other
> people.Other words:Arno Becker and parallel with Nazi and contemporary
> West
> art (with special turn on"Art Computing")was wrong,same way it was wrong
> to
> transfer whole world guilt on Eskimo and Amazonian tribes.Now we have
> proof
> of their innocent and we could kill some children(today three years old
> girl
> from Lebanon good train and indoctrinate could endanger American interest
> on 'East'.)
> What's our point?Our point's that if you couldn't,or if you refuse to
> 'take'our opinion about things(you are so high that our'words'hardly reach
> even close to you,and if we are lucky it happen that's just mumble of
> something alien,dangerous and threaten for you?But what about "Freedom of
> speech"?Isn't it same time right to be listen and visible?We're free to
> scream in prison America(that mean your responsibility is undoubted)make
> of
> our,and many other countries around the world,so we suppose that's only
> voice you expect to hear from,outthere-nowhere.Oh,yes,you have some
> employee
> philosopher(Zizek for example),or artist(Cosic for example),mainly from
> small countries anxious to reach West by short way.That's why Zizek
> take(it
> was few years ago hundreds thousand of $,to "criticize"American
> politics,but
> not so hard,it's like sado-mazo game,not snuff...).We don't want to waste
> our precious time on other one.
> So,Soros(George or Georgy)make ""our"" art scene in Serbia with his money
> and our 'people',same as in many country in region.It'(or should we said
> 'he')is American product,and your responsibility for people like Soros is
> undoubted.You could say what's wrong with donation for art?Nothing except
> that it wasn't 'art',it's always ideology,and influence on main strategic
> processes in some country.Soros,now,have concession on biggest cable net
> in
> Serbia.And there's some money even for you-undoubted.Same as you drive
> with
> stolen oil, my money's in your pocket(Twid know that very well).So,lets
> open
> cart:Rhizome.org loose essence and basic idea of rhizome
> in(D&G)sense,which
> mean that everywhere,in every place could growth something
> big,small,extraordinary or average,but it can growth and our reason for
> being on Rhizome.org is that fact,this trace of freedom.
> Now Rhizome.org is one of instrument of American hegemony more open than
> ever.Manager of org.Lauren Cornel in her interview mentioned only two
> names
> from Europe,which is proof that she have mission to destroy idea of
> Rhizome in America,or she's just (politically) naive...We doubt in second
> option.
> Delleuse&Guattari idea is not something untouchable and sent.actually it's
> good to discus about basic thing in their philosophy,but let us from other
> countries be at lest fair treatment.Rhizome.org is big and it's
> infrastructure is good and strong enough to hold out artist and other
> people
> from all around the world.Rhizome.org don't need to be one more toy in
> bloody hand of American administration.
> MANIK
>
>
>
>
>
>
> +
> -> post: list@rhizome.org
> -> questions: info@rhizome.org
> -> subscribe/unsubscribe: http://rhizome.org/preferences/subscribe.rhiz
> -> give: http://rhizome.org/support
> +
> Subscribers to Rhizome are subject to the terms set out in the
> Membership Agreement available online at http://rhizome.org/info/29.php
>
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MANIK,SEPTEMBER 2,2007.
----- Original Message -----
From: "manik" <manik@sbb.co.yu>
To: <list@rhizome.org>
Sent: Monday, July 31, 2006 12:07 PM
Subject: RHIZOME_RAW: dot.com implosion killed net art?
> Our meditations about interlaced,influence and connections between state
> in
> society and it's reflection on "Art Computing"so unmistakable ignored on
> Rhizome_Raw that we've finally came closer to trap/mistake we made in our
> own praxis.If we talk about difficulty to see and accept something
> obvious/close/near(that hurt!)how could we ask exactly the same from other
> people.Other words:Arno Becker and parallel with Nazi and contemporary
> West
> art (with special turn on"Art Computing")was wrong,same way it was wrong
> to
> transfer whole world guilt on Eskimo and Amazonian tribes.Now we have
> proof
> of their innocent and we could kill some children(today three years old
> girl
> from Lebanon good train and indoctrinate could endanger American interest
> on 'East'.)
> What's our point?Our point's that if you couldn't,or if you refuse to
> 'take'our opinion about things(you are so high that our'words'hardly reach
> even close to you,and if we are lucky it happen that's just mumble of
> something alien,dangerous and threaten for you?But what about "Freedom of
> speech"?Isn't it same time right to be listen and visible?We're free to
> scream in prison America(that mean your responsibility is undoubted)make
> of
> our,and many other countries around the world,so we suppose that's only
> voice you expect to hear from,outthere-nowhere.Oh,yes,you have some
> employee
> philosopher(Zizek for example),or artist(Cosic for example),mainly from
> small countries anxious to reach West by short way.That's why Zizek
> take(it
> was few years ago hundreds thousand of $,to "criticize"American
> politics,but
> not so hard,it's like sado-mazo game,not snuff...).We don't want to waste
> our precious time on other one.
> So,Soros(George or Georgy)make ""our"" art scene in Serbia with his money
> and our 'people',same as in many country in region.It'(or should we said
> 'he')is American product,and your responsibility for people like Soros is
> undoubted.You could say what's wrong with donation for art?Nothing except
> that it wasn't 'art',it's always ideology,and influence on main strategic
> processes in some country.Soros,now,have concession on biggest cable net
> in
> Serbia.And there's some money even for you-undoubted.Same as you drive
> with
> stolen oil, my money's in your pocket(Twid know that very well).So,lets
> open
> cart:Rhizome.org loose essence and basic idea of rhizome
> in(D&G)sense,which
> mean that everywhere,in every place could growth something
> big,small,extraordinary or average,but it can growth and our reason for
> being on Rhizome.org is that fact,this trace of freedom.
> Now Rhizome.org is one of instrument of American hegemony more open than
> ever.Manager of org.Lauren Cornel in her interview mentioned only two
> names
> from Europe,which is proof that she have mission to destroy idea of
> Rhizome in America,or she's just (politically) naive...We doubt in second
> option.
> Delleuse&Guattari idea is not something untouchable and sent.actually it's
> good to discus about basic thing in their philosophy,but let us from other
> countries be at lest fair treatment.Rhizome.org is big and it's
> infrastructure is good and strong enough to hold out artist and other
> people
> from all around the world.Rhizome.org don't need to be one more toy in
> bloody hand of American administration.
> MANIK
>
>
>
>
>
>
> +
> -> post: list@rhizome.org
> -> questions: info@rhizome.org
> -> subscribe/unsubscribe: http://rhizome.org/preferences/subscribe.rhiz
> -> give: http://rhizome.org/support
> +
> Subscribers to Rhizome are subject to the terms set out in the
> Membership Agreement available online at http://rhizome.org/info/29.php
>
> __________ NOD32 2425 (20070727) Information __________
>
> This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system.
> http://www.eset.com
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2007.
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PAY US TO BE Y=
OUR ENEMY
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05.
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2007.
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Fw: RHIZOME_RAW: art macht frei/kunss machst frei
----- Original Message -----
From: "DREAM MY DREAM" <bonzo@signifikat.de>
To: <THING-frankfurt@yahoogroups.de>
Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2007 4:01 PM
Subject: RHIZOME_RAW: KUNSS MACHST FREI - HEILST BUERGELS AST DOCCA12
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RHIZOME_RAW: KUNSS MACHST FREI - HEILST BUERGELS AST DOCCA12
From: manik
To: list@rhizome.org
Sent: Friday, March 21, 2003 8:43 PM
Subject: RHIZOME_RAW: art in america for beginners II
art macht frei
MANIK,AVGUST 2007.
From: "DREAM MY DREAM" <bonzo@signifikat.de>
To: <THING-frankfurt@yahoogroups.de>
Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2007 4:01 PM
Subject: RHIZOME_RAW: KUNSS MACHST FREI - HEILST BUERGELS AST DOCCA12
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RHIZOME_RAW: KUNSS MACHST FREI - HEILST BUERGELS AST DOCCA12
From: manik
To: list@rhizome.org
Sent: Friday, March 21, 2003 8:43 PM
Subject: RHIZOME_RAW: art in america for beginners II
art macht frei
MANIK,AVGUST 2007.