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BIO
Belgrade artists Marija Vauda and Nikola Pilipovic have been
collaborating as MANIK since 1999.Their work reflects the
march of history, sometimes literally outside their studio, and a
dialogue with the international artistic community through
organisations and events such as Rhizome and Free Manifesta. Tiija is
their first weblog piece, their previous work has been in mediums as
diverse as video, performance, happenings, email, painting and
installation.
collaborating as MANIK since 1999.Their work reflects the
march of history, sometimes literally outside their studio, and a
dialogue with the international artistic community through
organisations and events such as Rhizome and Free Manifesta. Tiija is
their first weblog piece, their previous work has been in mediums as
diverse as video, performance, happenings, email, painting and
installation.
Re: I second that notion (Stop the hate, spreadthelove)
Re: RHIZOME_RAW: I second that notion (Stop the hate, spread thelove)Lee,we=
ather is nice in Belgrade...today.But there's also "time",time is bad.I won=
der all day how came that we talking about "revolution"on rhizom?That's mee=
n Rroocceffeller(or whoever)de facto is sponsor of that world event.Bythewa=
y,I found rhizom org.on Internet in Deleuze-Guattari pages.I was curious.So=
meone on Rhizom ask that few days ago.That's the answer.Idea of rhizom is i=
dea of unespectable/imposible/distorsive/spasmatic/shicophrenic conection.I=
t considered that kind of a-logical,non-planed relation in new created worl=
d of ,so caled,term capitalism.Of course D&G expect kind of revolution as r=
esult of wild mind.Like the other French intelectuals,unforunetly,they wron=
g.Why?Because we are,i meen people generaly,dont exist as a political subje=
ct.I was suprise when you sugest me to see U.N site.They are decoration for=
American destruction(remember bombing Serbia without any protest from U.N)=
.OK,digresion!Next war is already-made.All we need is to sit in front of TV=
.and stering.UTOPIA survive.That's most importand now.Yes,all of us should =
find all posible definition in ourselves,meanwile,as I see,same time ewerio=
ne should considered local situation and put it on Rhizome org.Nice materia=
l for analysis.Ideas,not information is curent stuf.Indifference ,pure indi=
fference is IN.This term exist in english from XV century(taken from new la=
tin),term work was invented in XVIII.Indifference tuk a long trip:from Gree=
c phylosopher Phyrro(founder of scepticism,3-th century before Isus),Sextus=
Empiricus(writer of "Phyrros attitude",V c.n.a),Mavars in Spain who transl=
ate ancient Greec philosophy and give that to Western Europe,St.Avgustin,Fr=
ench philosopher from XVIII c.,Nietsche,Duchamp...But all of that was activ=
e statement,kind of actionism,thay were alive...I'm not afraid of war,I'm a=
fraid of this NEW indifference.Cold,pragmatic,i-moral,full of empty phrases=
,destructive...I'm tired now.
----- Original Message -----
From: Lee Wells
To: manik ; Joao Pedro ; list@rhizome.org
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2002 12:52 AM
Subject: Re: RHIZOME_RAW: I second that notion (Stop the hate, spreadthel=
ove)
Manik
Here are a couple good places to start. How can these theories be applied=
towards a new ideology. What are the foundations already in place that can=
be modified to apply to a new international movement (art/political/etc)
http://www.un.org
http://www.nothingness.org/
http://www.critical-art.net/
http://orpheus.ucsd.edu/speccoll/visfront/vizindex.html
http://www.earth-today.com/
I can only understand in part how our understandings of Revolution differ=
and what went on in Belgrade and the rest of the region you live in. I ask=
questions to myself about location and what is my part in all of this, an =
American artist living in New York City.
As a US Army veteran of the Gulf War. As an Earth First Activist, a Husba=
nd.
I think we all must define our locations within ourselves, Where do we st=
and, where are we flexable.
I would like to think about this some more and get back to you.
Hows the weather in Belgrade today. It was pretty nice here in NYC. I thi=
nk people on the streets are a bit nervous with 911 coming up in a couple d=
ays. I pray nothing happens again.
Talk soon
Cheers
Lee
on 9/9/02 5:31 PM, manik at manik@ptt.yu wrote:
Hi Lee,Pedro,
I'm not so glad that you "agree".Insted I realy expect something alse.W=
hat is problem?You agree with what?First of all is to make conversation cle=
ar as it posible."Revolution"!Where?On net.?In art generaly,world/words,soc=
iaty,economy...What power do we need to make that word understabile?What's =
our resource,or where can we find them?What is object/subject of our atenti=
on?I live in very hard place(Belgrade,Serbia)and so caled "revolution"two y=
ears ago was joke.But war and bombing was'n.There's many levels of understa=
bile "reality".I dont know.For begining,I sugest something interesting:"Ant=
i-tecnologies of Resistance"from Alexander Brener&Barbara Schurz-
http://subsol.c3.hu/subsol_2/contributors/brenertext.html
Sent: Monday, September 09, 2002 7:54 PM
Subject: Re: RHIZOME_RAW: I second that notion (Stop the hate, spread=
thelove)
Manik
I totally agree
Cheers
Lee
on 9/9/02 8:44 AM, manik at manik@ptt.yu wrote:
That's we want:to show endles stupidity of ad infinitum ego trips.R=
EVOLUTION is key word.But,we wonder how to aproach to this term "revolution=
"(in generl way),without make playground?Also,we stadied about posibiliti t=
o "make revolution".Tricky thing(see R.Barthes, for example).In MANIK-s cas=
e chat with Kandiskij was sucesfully way to make clear important issue.This=
person was kind of triger for reaction like yours,and,posibly somebody als=
e.So,we dont hate,actualy I like hisreric&fluxfull people like karei,but he=
/she is wery artistic(it's nice,on some twisted way).If somebody answer to =
this atempt to make posible dialogue about revolution(whatewer it is),we ar=
e goin to be carefuly listeners.
Best wishies
MANIK
----- Original Message -----
From: Lee Wells <mailto:leewells@bb19.net>
To: Joao Pedro <mailto:oliveirapereira1@sapo.pt> ; list@rhizom=
e.org
Sent: Monday, September 09, 2002 5:05 AM
Subject: RHIZOME_RAW: I second that notion (Stop the hate, spread=
the love)
Hello all
I do wonder why artists have such a hard time getting along with =
each other.
Please put your egos to rest and lets all try to be constructive =
towards each other.
Critique dont insult. For the most part this list is great but I =
really hate having to delete most of the messages due to childish rants and=
raves. I think we are above the level of an aol teen chat room.
I hope the others that have been sitting on the rhizome fringes w=
ill come forth and let the kids know enough is enough. We've got a revoluti=
on to plan.
The time was now, now its then!
Cheers
Lee
on 9/8/02 5:19 PM, Joao Pedro at oliveirapereira1@sapo.pt wrote:
----- Original Message -----
From: Joao Pedro <mailto:oliveirapereira1@sapo.pt>
To: list@rhizome.org
Cc: Oliveira Pereira <mailto:oliveirapereira1@sapo.pt>
Sent: Sunday, September 08, 2002 10:06 PM
Subject: RHIZOME RAW: affirmation against reaction
Some people seems haven't nothing better to do than insulting=
each other, in a negative reaction, with a segregatives sentences or with =
the famous "no", the terrible "no" than i reject in absolute!
You know one thing? This expression of reaction, make me laug=
h, with a Dionysus joy, the affirmation of live and i said: be positive, ma=
king things, don't insulting, don't answer to another with the fascist "no"!
Joao Pedro
oliveirapereira1@sapo.pt
http://oliveirapereira1.no.sapo.pt
ather is nice in Belgrade...today.But there's also "time",time is bad.I won=
der all day how came that we talking about "revolution"on rhizom?That's mee=
n Rroocceffeller(or whoever)de facto is sponsor of that world event.Bythewa=
y,I found rhizom org.on Internet in Deleuze-Guattari pages.I was curious.So=
meone on Rhizom ask that few days ago.That's the answer.Idea of rhizom is i=
dea of unespectable/imposible/distorsive/spasmatic/shicophrenic conection.I=
t considered that kind of a-logical,non-planed relation in new created worl=
d of ,so caled,term capitalism.Of course D&G expect kind of revolution as r=
esult of wild mind.Like the other French intelectuals,unforunetly,they wron=
g.Why?Because we are,i meen people generaly,dont exist as a political subje=
ct.I was suprise when you sugest me to see U.N site.They are decoration for=
American destruction(remember bombing Serbia without any protest from U.N)=
.OK,digresion!Next war is already-made.All we need is to sit in front of TV=
.and stering.UTOPIA survive.That's most importand now.Yes,all of us should =
find all posible definition in ourselves,meanwile,as I see,same time ewerio=
ne should considered local situation and put it on Rhizome org.Nice materia=
l for analysis.Ideas,not information is curent stuf.Indifference ,pure indi=
fference is IN.This term exist in english from XV century(taken from new la=
tin),term work was invented in XVIII.Indifference tuk a long trip:from Gree=
c phylosopher Phyrro(founder of scepticism,3-th century before Isus),Sextus=
Empiricus(writer of "Phyrros attitude",V c.n.a),Mavars in Spain who transl=
ate ancient Greec philosophy and give that to Western Europe,St.Avgustin,Fr=
ench philosopher from XVIII c.,Nietsche,Duchamp...But all of that was activ=
e statement,kind of actionism,thay were alive...I'm not afraid of war,I'm a=
fraid of this NEW indifference.Cold,pragmatic,i-moral,full of empty phrases=
,destructive...I'm tired now.
----- Original Message -----
From: Lee Wells
To: manik ; Joao Pedro ; list@rhizome.org
Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2002 12:52 AM
Subject: Re: RHIZOME_RAW: I second that notion (Stop the hate, spreadthel=
ove)
Manik
Here are a couple good places to start. How can these theories be applied=
towards a new ideology. What are the foundations already in place that can=
be modified to apply to a new international movement (art/political/etc)
http://www.un.org
http://www.nothingness.org/
http://www.critical-art.net/
http://orpheus.ucsd.edu/speccoll/visfront/vizindex.html
http://www.earth-today.com/
I can only understand in part how our understandings of Revolution differ=
and what went on in Belgrade and the rest of the region you live in. I ask=
questions to myself about location and what is my part in all of this, an =
American artist living in New York City.
As a US Army veteran of the Gulf War. As an Earth First Activist, a Husba=
nd.
I think we all must define our locations within ourselves, Where do we st=
and, where are we flexable.
I would like to think about this some more and get back to you.
Hows the weather in Belgrade today. It was pretty nice here in NYC. I thi=
nk people on the streets are a bit nervous with 911 coming up in a couple d=
ays. I pray nothing happens again.
Talk soon
Cheers
Lee
on 9/9/02 5:31 PM, manik at manik@ptt.yu wrote:
Hi Lee,Pedro,
I'm not so glad that you "agree".Insted I realy expect something alse.W=
hat is problem?You agree with what?First of all is to make conversation cle=
ar as it posible."Revolution"!Where?On net.?In art generaly,world/words,soc=
iaty,economy...What power do we need to make that word understabile?What's =
our resource,or where can we find them?What is object/subject of our atenti=
on?I live in very hard place(Belgrade,Serbia)and so caled "revolution"two y=
ears ago was joke.But war and bombing was'n.There's many levels of understa=
bile "reality".I dont know.For begining,I sugest something interesting:"Ant=
i-tecnologies of Resistance"from Alexander Brener&Barbara Schurz-
http://subsol.c3.hu/subsol_2/contributors/brenertext.html
Sent: Monday, September 09, 2002 7:54 PM
Subject: Re: RHIZOME_RAW: I second that notion (Stop the hate, spread=
thelove)
Manik
I totally agree
Cheers
Lee
on 9/9/02 8:44 AM, manik at manik@ptt.yu wrote:
That's we want:to show endles stupidity of ad infinitum ego trips.R=
EVOLUTION is key word.But,we wonder how to aproach to this term "revolution=
"(in generl way),without make playground?Also,we stadied about posibiliti t=
o "make revolution".Tricky thing(see R.Barthes, for example).In MANIK-s cas=
e chat with Kandiskij was sucesfully way to make clear important issue.This=
person was kind of triger for reaction like yours,and,posibly somebody als=
e.So,we dont hate,actualy I like hisreric&fluxfull people like karei,but he=
/she is wery artistic(it's nice,on some twisted way).If somebody answer to =
this atempt to make posible dialogue about revolution(whatewer it is),we ar=
e goin to be carefuly listeners.
Best wishies
MANIK
----- Original Message -----
From: Lee Wells <mailto:leewells@bb19.net>
To: Joao Pedro <mailto:oliveirapereira1@sapo.pt> ; list@rhizom=
e.org
Sent: Monday, September 09, 2002 5:05 AM
Subject: RHIZOME_RAW: I second that notion (Stop the hate, spread=
the love)
Hello all
I do wonder why artists have such a hard time getting along with =
each other.
Please put your egos to rest and lets all try to be constructive =
towards each other.
Critique dont insult. For the most part this list is great but I =
really hate having to delete most of the messages due to childish rants and=
raves. I think we are above the level of an aol teen chat room.
I hope the others that have been sitting on the rhizome fringes w=
ill come forth and let the kids know enough is enough. We've got a revoluti=
on to plan.
The time was now, now its then!
Cheers
Lee
on 9/8/02 5:19 PM, Joao Pedro at oliveirapereira1@sapo.pt wrote:
----- Original Message -----
From: Joao Pedro <mailto:oliveirapereira1@sapo.pt>
To: list@rhizome.org
Cc: Oliveira Pereira <mailto:oliveirapereira1@sapo.pt>
Sent: Sunday, September 08, 2002 10:06 PM
Subject: RHIZOME RAW: affirmation against reaction
Some people seems haven't nothing better to do than insulting=
each other, in a negative reaction, with a segregatives sentences or with =
the famous "no", the terrible "no" than i reject in absolute!
You know one thing? This expression of reaction, make me laug=
h, with a Dionysus joy, the affirmation of live and i said: be positive, ma=
king things, don't insulting, don't answer to another with the fascist "no"!
Joao Pedro
oliveirapereira1@sapo.pt
http://oliveirapereira1.no.sapo.pt
Re: I second that notion (Stop the hate, spread the love)
I second that notion (Stop the hate, spread the love)That's we want:to show=
endles stupidity of ad infinitum ego trips.REVOLUTION is key word.But,we w=
onder how to aproach to this term "revolution"(in generl way),without make =
playground?Also,we stadied about posibiliti to "make revolution".Tricky thi=
ng(see R.Barthes, for example).In MANIK-s case chat with Kandiskij was suce=
sfully way to make clear important issue.This person was kind of triger for=
reaction like yours,and,posibly somebody alse.So,we dont hate,actualy I li=
ke hisreric&fluxfull people like karei,but he/she is wery artistic(it's nic=
e,on some twisted way).If somebody answer to this atempt to make posible di=
alogue about revolution(whatewer it is),we are goin to be carefuly listener=
s.
Best wishies
MANIK
----- Original Message -----
From: Lee Wells
To: Joao Pedro ; list@rhizome.org
Sent: Monday, September 09, 2002 5:05 AM
Subject: RHIZOME_RAW: I second that notion (Stop the hate, spread the lov=
e)
Hello all
I do wonder why artists have such a hard time getting along with each oth=
er.
Please put your egos to rest and lets all try to be constructive towards =
each other.
Critique dont insult. For the most part this list is great but I really h=
ate having to delete most of the messages due to childish rants and raves. =
I think we are above the level of an aol teen chat room.
I hope the others that have been sitting on the rhizome fringes will come=
forth and let the kids know enough is enough. We've got a revolution to pl=
an.
The time was now, now its then!
Cheers
Lee
on 9/8/02 5:19 PM, Joao Pedro at oliveirapereira1@sapo.pt wrote:
----- Original Message -----
From: Joao Pedro <mailto:oliveirapereira1@sapo.pt>
To: list@rhizome.org
Cc: Oliveira Pereira <mailto:oliveirapereira1@sapo.pt>
Sent: Sunday, September 08, 2002 10:06 PM
Subject: RHIZOME RAW: affirmation against reaction
Some people seems haven't nothing better to do than insulting each =
other, in a negative reaction, with a segregatives sentences or with the fa=
mous "no", the terrible "no" than i reject in absolute!
You know one thing? This expression of reaction, make me laugh, wit=
h a Dionysus joy, the affirmation of live and i said: be positive, making t=
hings, don't insulting, don't answer to another with the fascist "no"!
Joao Pedro
oliveirapereira1@sapo.pt
http://oliveirapereira1.no.sapo.pt
endles stupidity of ad infinitum ego trips.REVOLUTION is key word.But,we w=
onder how to aproach to this term "revolution"(in generl way),without make =
playground?Also,we stadied about posibiliti to "make revolution".Tricky thi=
ng(see R.Barthes, for example).In MANIK-s case chat with Kandiskij was suce=
sfully way to make clear important issue.This person was kind of triger for=
reaction like yours,and,posibly somebody alse.So,we dont hate,actualy I li=
ke hisreric&fluxfull people like karei,but he/she is wery artistic(it's nic=
e,on some twisted way).If somebody answer to this atempt to make posible di=
alogue about revolution(whatewer it is),we are goin to be carefuly listener=
s.
Best wishies
MANIK
----- Original Message -----
From: Lee Wells
To: Joao Pedro ; list@rhizome.org
Sent: Monday, September 09, 2002 5:05 AM
Subject: RHIZOME_RAW: I second that notion (Stop the hate, spread the lov=
e)
Hello all
I do wonder why artists have such a hard time getting along with each oth=
er.
Please put your egos to rest and lets all try to be constructive towards =
each other.
Critique dont insult. For the most part this list is great but I really h=
ate having to delete most of the messages due to childish rants and raves. =
I think we are above the level of an aol teen chat room.
I hope the others that have been sitting on the rhizome fringes will come=
forth and let the kids know enough is enough. We've got a revolution to pl=
an.
The time was now, now its then!
Cheers
Lee
on 9/8/02 5:19 PM, Joao Pedro at oliveirapereira1@sapo.pt wrote:
----- Original Message -----
From: Joao Pedro <mailto:oliveirapereira1@sapo.pt>
To: list@rhizome.org
Cc: Oliveira Pereira <mailto:oliveirapereira1@sapo.pt>
Sent: Sunday, September 08, 2002 10:06 PM
Subject: RHIZOME RAW: affirmation against reaction
Some people seems haven't nothing better to do than insulting each =
other, in a negative reaction, with a segregatives sentences or with the fa=
mous "no", the terrible "no" than i reject in absolute!
You know one thing? This expression of reaction, make me laugh, wit=
h a Dionysus joy, the affirmation of live and i said: be positive, making t=
hings, don't insulting, don't answer to another with the fascist "no"!
Joao Pedro
oliveirapereira1@sapo.pt
http://oliveirapereira1.no.sapo.pt
Re: I second that notion (Stop the hate, spread thelove)
Re: RHIZOME_RAW: I second that notion (Stop the hate, spread the love)Hi Le=
e,Pedro,
I'm not so glad that you "agree".Insted I realy expect something alse.What =
is problem?You agree with what?First of all is to make conversation clear a=
s it posible."Revolution"!Where?On net.?In art generaly,world/words,sociaty=
,economy...What power do we need to make that word understabile?What's our =
resource,or where can we find them?What is object/subject of our atention?I=
live in very hard place(Belgrade,Serbia)and so caled "revolution"two years=
ago was joke.But war and bombing was'n.There's many levels of understabile=
"reality".I dont know.For begining,I sugest something interesting:"Anti-te=
cnologies of Resistance"from Alexander Brener&Barbara Schurz-
http://subsol.c3.hu/subsol_2/contributors/brenertext.html
Sent: Monday, September 09, 2002 7:54 PM
Subject: Re: RHIZOME_RAW: I second that notion (Stop the hate, spread the=
love)
Manik
I totally agree
Cheers
Lee
on 9/9/02 8:44 AM, manik at manik@ptt.yu wrote:
That's we want:to show endles stupidity of ad infinitum ego trips.REVOL=
UTION is key word.But,we wonder how to aproach to this term "revolution"(in=
generl way),without make playground?Also,we stadied about posibiliti to "m=
ake revolution".Tricky thing(see R.Barthes, for example).In MANIK-s case ch=
at with Kandiskij was sucesfully way to make clear important issue.This per=
son was kind of triger for reaction like yours,and,posibly somebody alse.So=
,we dont hate,actualy I like hisreric&fluxfull people like karei,but he/she=
is wery artistic(it's nice,on some twisted way).If somebody answer to this=
atempt to make posible dialogue about revolution(whatewer it is),we are go=
in to be carefuly listeners.
Best wishies
MANIK
----- Original Message -----
From: Lee Wells <mailto:leewells@bb19.net>
To: Joao Pedro <mailto:oliveirapereira1@sapo.pt> ; list@rhizome.or=
g
Sent: Monday, September 09, 2002 5:05 AM
Subject: RHIZOME_RAW: I second that notion (Stop the hate, spread the=
love)
Hello all
I do wonder why artists have such a hard time getting along with each=
other.
Please put your egos to rest and lets all try to be constructive towa=
rds each other.
Critique dont insult. For the most part this list is great but I real=
ly hate having to delete most of the messages due to childish rants and rav=
es. I think we are above the level of an aol teen chat room.
I hope the others that have been sitting on the rhizome fringes will =
come forth and let the kids know enough is enough. We've got a revolution t=
o plan.
The time was now, now its then!
Cheers
Lee
on 9/8/02 5:19 PM, Joao Pedro at oliveirapereira1@sapo.pt wrote:
----- Original Message -----
From: Joao Pedro <mailto:oliveirapereira1@sapo.pt>
To: list@rhizome.org
Cc: Oliveira Pereira <mailto:oliveirapereira1@sapo.pt>
Sent: Sunday, September 08, 2002 10:06 PM
Subject: RHIZOME RAW: affirmation against reaction
Some people seems haven't nothing better to do than insulting ea=
ch other, in a negative reaction, with a segregatives sentences or with the=
famous "no", the terrible "no" than i reject in absolute!
You know one thing? This expression of reaction, make me laugh, =
with a Dionysus joy, the affirmation of live and i said: be positive, makin=
g things, don't insulting, don't answer to another with the fascist "no"!
Joao Pedro
oliveirapereira1@sapo.pt
http://oliveirapereira1.no.sapo.pt
e,Pedro,
I'm not so glad that you "agree".Insted I realy expect something alse.What =
is problem?You agree with what?First of all is to make conversation clear a=
s it posible."Revolution"!Where?On net.?In art generaly,world/words,sociaty=
,economy...What power do we need to make that word understabile?What's our =
resource,or where can we find them?What is object/subject of our atention?I=
live in very hard place(Belgrade,Serbia)and so caled "revolution"two years=
ago was joke.But war and bombing was'n.There's many levels of understabile=
"reality".I dont know.For begining,I sugest something interesting:"Anti-te=
cnologies of Resistance"from Alexander Brener&Barbara Schurz-
http://subsol.c3.hu/subsol_2/contributors/brenertext.html
Sent: Monday, September 09, 2002 7:54 PM
Subject: Re: RHIZOME_RAW: I second that notion (Stop the hate, spread the=
love)
Manik
I totally agree
Cheers
Lee
on 9/9/02 8:44 AM, manik at manik@ptt.yu wrote:
That's we want:to show endles stupidity of ad infinitum ego trips.REVOL=
UTION is key word.But,we wonder how to aproach to this term "revolution"(in=
generl way),without make playground?Also,we stadied about posibiliti to "m=
ake revolution".Tricky thing(see R.Barthes, for example).In MANIK-s case ch=
at with Kandiskij was sucesfully way to make clear important issue.This per=
son was kind of triger for reaction like yours,and,posibly somebody alse.So=
,we dont hate,actualy I like hisreric&fluxfull people like karei,but he/she=
is wery artistic(it's nice,on some twisted way).If somebody answer to this=
atempt to make posible dialogue about revolution(whatewer it is),we are go=
in to be carefuly listeners.
Best wishies
MANIK
----- Original Message -----
From: Lee Wells <mailto:leewells@bb19.net>
To: Joao Pedro <mailto:oliveirapereira1@sapo.pt> ; list@rhizome.or=
g
Sent: Monday, September 09, 2002 5:05 AM
Subject: RHIZOME_RAW: I second that notion (Stop the hate, spread the=
love)
Hello all
I do wonder why artists have such a hard time getting along with each=
other.
Please put your egos to rest and lets all try to be constructive towa=
rds each other.
Critique dont insult. For the most part this list is great but I real=
ly hate having to delete most of the messages due to childish rants and rav=
es. I think we are above the level of an aol teen chat room.
I hope the others that have been sitting on the rhizome fringes will =
come forth and let the kids know enough is enough. We've got a revolution t=
o plan.
The time was now, now its then!
Cheers
Lee
on 9/8/02 5:19 PM, Joao Pedro at oliveirapereira1@sapo.pt wrote:
----- Original Message -----
From: Joao Pedro <mailto:oliveirapereira1@sapo.pt>
To: list@rhizome.org
Cc: Oliveira Pereira <mailto:oliveirapereira1@sapo.pt>
Sent: Sunday, September 08, 2002 10:06 PM
Subject: RHIZOME RAW: affirmation against reaction
Some people seems haven't nothing better to do than insulting ea=
ch other, in a negative reaction, with a segregatives sentences or with the=
famous "no", the terrible "no" than i reject in absolute!
You know one thing? This expression of reaction, make me laugh, =
with a Dionysus joy, the affirmation of live and i said: be positive, makin=
g things, don't insulting, don't answer to another with the fascist "no"!
Joao Pedro
oliveirapereira1@sapo.pt
http://oliveirapereira1.no.sapo.pt
Re: RAW_WAR
MANIK
----- Original Message -----
From: "Pet Name" <muserna@muserna.org>
To: "manik" <manik@ptt.yu>; "Lee Wells" <leewells@bb19.net>; "Joao Pedro"=
<oliveirapereira1@sapo.pt>; <list@rhizome.org>
Sent: Monday, September 09, 2002 10:29 PM
Subject: RAW_WAR
> What I want is who ever put that fluorescent green BGcolor on this thread=
to
> disable it, stop forwarding the HTML. thxs. ;) Damn green is blinding in
> this snake hole!
>
> * * * * * Anywho * * * * *
>
> We have several options for battles online.
>
> OPTION 1
> - - - - -
> We can take it to these legendary newsgroups:
> nntp://alt.alien.vampire.flonk.flonk.flonk
> nntp://alt.flame
>
>
> OPTION 2
> - - - - -
> Or Informera Style, a WWF style live 48 hr exhaustive match:
> http://www.infomera.net
> http://www.museotamayo.org/infomera
>
>
> OPTION 3
> - - - - -
> Create a new list on Rhizome, call it RAW_WAR
> and have everyone post away!!
>
> * * * * * * * * * * *
>
>
> Check this too, battle of the newsgroup biggies:
> "Two of the most outspoken members of the alt.rap and rec.music.hip-hop
> Usenet newsgroups have decided to go against each other track for track. =
You
> can decide the winner, by downloading and listening to the mp3s below, and
> making your decision. You can also leave love letters and hatemail in the
> convenient comments book underneath the voting poll... go nuts..."
> -http://www.altrap.com/fvc.html
>
>
>
>
> -muserna
> ______
> ,/' __ `.
> (O /O "Cut off the head of a snake
> | / | and it will grow another"
> (o__o)/ // `.
> V( V/_//-. -Welcome to the 21st Century world of
> ) `-' -, Genetic Mutations!!!
> / `.-`.mUseRNA
>
>
> Collect my playing card!
> http://www.museotamayo.org/inmerso/infomera/playercards/muserna.htm
> <http://www.museotamayo.org/inmerso/infomera/playercards/muserna.htm>
>
>
> on 9/9/02 8:44 AM, manik manik@ptt.yu ecrit :
>
> > I second that notion (Stop the hate, spread the love)That's we want:to =
show
> > endles stupidity of ad infinitum ego trips.REVOLUTION is key word.But,we
> > wonder how to aproach to this term "revolution"(in generl way),without =
make
> > playground?Also,we stadied about posibiliti to "make revolution".Tricky
> > thing(see R.Barthes, for example).In MANIK-s case chat with Kandiskij w=
as
> > sucesfully way to make clear important issue.This person was kind of tr=
iger
> > for reaction like yours,and,posibly somebody alse.So,we dont hate,actua=
ly I
> > like hisreric&fluxfull people like karei,but he/she is wery artistic(it=
's
> > nice,on some twisted way).If somebody answer to this atempt to make pos=
ible
> > dialogue about revolution(whatewer it is),we are goin to be carefuly
> > listeners.
> > Best wishies
> > MANIK
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Lee Wells
> > To: Joao Pedro ; list@rhizome.org
> > Sent: Monday, September 09, 2002 5:05 AM
> > Subject: RHIZOME_RAW: I second that notion (Stop the hate, spread the l=
ove)
> >
> >
> > Hello all
> > I do wonder why artists have such a hard time getting along with each o=
ther.
> > Please put your egos to rest and lets all try to be constructive toward=
s each
> > other.
> > Critique dont insult. For the most part this list is great but I really=
hate
> > having to delete most of the messages due to childish rants and raves. =
I think
> > we are above the level of an aol teen chat room.
> >
> > I hope the others that have been sitting on the rhizome fringes will co=
me
> > forth and let the kids know enough is enough. We've got a revolution to=
plan.
> >
> > The time was now, now its then!
> > Cheers
> > Lee
> >
> > on 9/8/02 5:19 PM, Joao Pedro at oliveirapereira1@sapo.pt wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Joao Pedro <mailto:oliveirapereira1@sapo.pt>
> > To: list@rhizome.org
> > Cc: Oliveira Pereira <mailto:oliveirapereira1@sapo.pt>
> > Sent: Sunday, September 08, 2002 10:06 PM
> > Subject: RHIZOME RAW: affirmation against reaction
> >
> > Some people seems haven't nothing better to do than insulting each othe=
r, in a
> > negative reaction, with a segregatives sentences or with the famous "no=
", the
> > terrible "no" than i reject in absolute!
> > You know one thing? This expression of reaction, make me laugh, with a
> > Dionysus joy, the affirmation of live and i said: be positive, making t=
hings,
> > don't insulting, don't answer to another with the fascist "no"!
> >
> > Joao Pedro
> > oliveirapereira1@sapo.pt
> > http://oliveirapereira1.no.sapo.pt
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
----- Original Message -----
From: "Pet Name" <muserna@muserna.org>
To: "manik" <manik@ptt.yu>; "Lee Wells" <leewells@bb19.net>; "Joao Pedro"=
<oliveirapereira1@sapo.pt>; <list@rhizome.org>
Sent: Monday, September 09, 2002 10:29 PM
Subject: RAW_WAR
> What I want is who ever put that fluorescent green BGcolor on this thread=
to
> disable it, stop forwarding the HTML. thxs. ;) Damn green is blinding in
> this snake hole!
>
> * * * * * Anywho * * * * *
>
> We have several options for battles online.
>
> OPTION 1
> - - - - -
> We can take it to these legendary newsgroups:
> nntp://alt.alien.vampire.flonk.flonk.flonk
> nntp://alt.flame
>
>
> OPTION 2
> - - - - -
> Or Informera Style, a WWF style live 48 hr exhaustive match:
> http://www.infomera.net
> http://www.museotamayo.org/infomera
>
>
> OPTION 3
> - - - - -
> Create a new list on Rhizome, call it RAW_WAR
> and have everyone post away!!
>
> * * * * * * * * * * *
>
>
> Check this too, battle of the newsgroup biggies:
> "Two of the most outspoken members of the alt.rap and rec.music.hip-hop
> Usenet newsgroups have decided to go against each other track for track. =
You
> can decide the winner, by downloading and listening to the mp3s below, and
> making your decision. You can also leave love letters and hatemail in the
> convenient comments book underneath the voting poll... go nuts..."
> -http://www.altrap.com/fvc.html
>
>
>
>
> -muserna
> ______
> ,/' __ `.
> (O /O "Cut off the head of a snake
> | / | and it will grow another"
> (o__o)/ // `.
> V( V/_//-. -Welcome to the 21st Century world of
> ) `-' -, Genetic Mutations!!!
> / `.-`.mUseRNA
>
>
> Collect my playing card!
> http://www.museotamayo.org/inmerso/infomera/playercards/muserna.htm
> <http://www.museotamayo.org/inmerso/infomera/playercards/muserna.htm>
>
>
> on 9/9/02 8:44 AM, manik manik@ptt.yu ecrit :
>
> > I second that notion (Stop the hate, spread the love)That's we want:to =
show
> > endles stupidity of ad infinitum ego trips.REVOLUTION is key word.But,we
> > wonder how to aproach to this term "revolution"(in generl way),without =
make
> > playground?Also,we stadied about posibiliti to "make revolution".Tricky
> > thing(see R.Barthes, for example).In MANIK-s case chat with Kandiskij w=
as
> > sucesfully way to make clear important issue.This person was kind of tr=
iger
> > for reaction like yours,and,posibly somebody alse.So,we dont hate,actua=
ly I
> > like hisreric&fluxfull people like karei,but he/she is wery artistic(it=
's
> > nice,on some twisted way).If somebody answer to this atempt to make pos=
ible
> > dialogue about revolution(whatewer it is),we are goin to be carefuly
> > listeners.
> > Best wishies
> > MANIK
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Lee Wells
> > To: Joao Pedro ; list@rhizome.org
> > Sent: Monday, September 09, 2002 5:05 AM
> > Subject: RHIZOME_RAW: I second that notion (Stop the hate, spread the l=
ove)
> >
> >
> > Hello all
> > I do wonder why artists have such a hard time getting along with each o=
ther.
> > Please put your egos to rest and lets all try to be constructive toward=
s each
> > other.
> > Critique dont insult. For the most part this list is great but I really=
hate
> > having to delete most of the messages due to childish rants and raves. =
I think
> > we are above the level of an aol teen chat room.
> >
> > I hope the others that have been sitting on the rhizome fringes will co=
me
> > forth and let the kids know enough is enough. We've got a revolution to=
plan.
> >
> > The time was now, now its then!
> > Cheers
> > Lee
> >
> > on 9/8/02 5:19 PM, Joao Pedro at oliveirapereira1@sapo.pt wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Joao Pedro <mailto:oliveirapereira1@sapo.pt>
> > To: list@rhizome.org
> > Cc: Oliveira Pereira <mailto:oliveirapereira1@sapo.pt>
> > Sent: Sunday, September 08, 2002 10:06 PM
> > Subject: RHIZOME RAW: affirmation against reaction
> >
> > Some people seems haven't nothing better to do than insulting each othe=
r, in a
> > negative reaction, with a segregatives sentences or with the famous "no=
", the
> > terrible "no" than i reject in absolute!
> > You know one thing? This expression of reaction, make me laugh, with a
> > Dionysus joy, the affirmation of live and i said: be positive, making t=
hings,
> > don't insulting, don't answer to another with the fascist "no"!
> >
> > Joao Pedro
> > oliveirapereira1@sapo.pt
> > http://oliveirapereira1.no.sapo.pt
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
Re: Any thoughts on this Death?
Yes,I read your post.With fingers on delete.
----- Original Message -----
From: "-IID42 Kandinskij @27+" <death@zaphod.terminal.org>
To: "manik" <manik@ptt.yu>
Cc: "Max Herman" <maxnmherman@hotmail.com>; <list@rhizome.org>
Sent: Sunday, September 08, 2002 2:12 AM
Subject: Re: RHIZOME_RAW: Any thoughts on this Death?
> On Sat, 7 Sep 2002, manik wrote:
>
> > Fluently English!
>
> That must be it. I guess you really read my posts.
>
> Now won't you start on how I'm a capitalist English-enforcing-nazi?
>
> It'll look nice to my illiterate-rich-NVKD-weaponsbuilding-Russian-
> mafia-uniform.
>
> > Is that what you want?
>
> I think I stated clearly that I don't 'want' anything.
> On numerous occasions.
>
> `, . ` `k a r e i' ? ' D42
>
>
>
----- Original Message -----
From: "-IID42 Kandinskij @27+" <death@zaphod.terminal.org>
To: "manik" <manik@ptt.yu>
Cc: "Max Herman" <maxnmherman@hotmail.com>; <list@rhizome.org>
Sent: Sunday, September 08, 2002 2:12 AM
Subject: Re: RHIZOME_RAW: Any thoughts on this Death?
> On Sat, 7 Sep 2002, manik wrote:
>
> > Fluently English!
>
> That must be it. I guess you really read my posts.
>
> Now won't you start on how I'm a capitalist English-enforcing-nazi?
>
> It'll look nice to my illiterate-rich-NVKD-weaponsbuilding-Russian-
> mafia-uniform.
>
> > Is that what you want?
>
> I think I stated clearly that I don't 'want' anything.
> On numerous occasions.
>
> `, . ` `k a r e i' ? ' D42
>
>
>