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BIO
Belgrade artists Marija Vauda and Nikola Pilipovic have been
collaborating as MANIK since 1999.Their work reflects the
march of history, sometimes literally outside their studio, and a
dialogue with the international artistic community through
organisations and events such as Rhizome and Free Manifesta. Tiija is
their first weblog piece, their previous work has been in mediums as
diverse as video, performance, happenings, email, painting and
installation.
collaborating as MANIK since 1999.Their work reflects the
march of history, sometimes literally outside their studio, and a
dialogue with the international artistic community through
organisations and events such as Rhizome and Free Manifesta. Tiija is
their first weblog piece, their previous work has been in mediums as
diverse as video, performance, happenings, email, painting and
installation.
Re: ANY MORE IDIOT?
>Well said Marc
Are you talk with Marc or with MANIK?
>So how do you make peace, Manik and Michael?
Jim,man!Yo!Are you really IDIOT?You put in same sentence MANIK and some
Michael?
To bad for you,we told you are at least close to our level(MANIK's)
We leave you with Marc,Michael and other IDIOTS.
Vaya con Dios.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Andrews" <jim@vispo.com>
To: <list@rhizome.org>
Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2004 2:44 PM
Subject: RE: RHIZOME_RAW: ANY MORE IDIOT?
>Well said Marc
> We should be able to do a bit better than the governments when it comes to
> war and peace. I guess it helps that the only trigger we have is the
'send'
> button.
>
> So how do you make peace, Manik and Michael? The world awaits such events
> with diminished expectations, yet hopefully.
>
> Oh, and I was wrong--Gibson was wrong--the Net is not a waste of time,
it's
> just a time of waste.
>
> ja
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-list@rhizome.org [mailto:owner-list@rhizome.org]On Behalf Of
> > marc
> > Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2004 4:57 AM
> > To: list@rhizome.org
> > Subject: Re: RHIZOME_RAW: ANY MORE IDIOT?
> >
> >
> > Hi Manik,
> >
> > Just because, as you say - you suffered and have experienced hard times,
> > does not mean that you are not an idiot. Who is not an idiot every now
> > and then?
> >
> > I have suffered also - but not the same things as you, different - but
> > this does not make me better or even more inforemd than others.
> >
> > To not bother question whether one is an idiot occassionally - is surely
> > close to being idiotic its self?
> >
> > So from one idiot to another - let's move beyond where we all are now,
> > stuck in isolation from each other...
> >
> > You are not my enemy.
> >
> > marc
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > +
> > -> post: list@rhizome.org
> > -> questions: info@rhizome.org
> > -> subscribe/unsubscribe: http://rhizome.org/preferences/subscribe.rhiz
> > -> give: http://rhizome.org/support
> > -> visit: on Fridays the Rhizome.org web site is open to non-members
> > +
> > Subscribers to Rhizome are subject to the terms set out in the
> > Membership Agreement available online at http://rhizome.org/info/29.php
> >
>
>
> +
> -> post: list@rhizome.org
> -> questions: info@rhizome.org
> -> subscribe/unsubscribe: http://rhizome.org/preferences/subscribe.rhiz
> -> give: http://rhizome.org/support
> -> visit: on Fridays the Rhizome.org web site is open to non-members
> +
> Subscribers to Rhizome are subject to the terms set out in the
> Membership Agreement available online at http://rhizome.org/info/29.php
>
Are you talk with Marc or with MANIK?
>So how do you make peace, Manik and Michael?
Jim,man!Yo!Are you really IDIOT?You put in same sentence MANIK and some
Michael?
To bad for you,we told you are at least close to our level(MANIK's)
We leave you with Marc,Michael and other IDIOTS.
Vaya con Dios.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Andrews" <jim@vispo.com>
To: <list@rhizome.org>
Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2004 2:44 PM
Subject: RE: RHIZOME_RAW: ANY MORE IDIOT?
>Well said Marc
> We should be able to do a bit better than the governments when it comes to
> war and peace. I guess it helps that the only trigger we have is the
'send'
> button.
>
> So how do you make peace, Manik and Michael? The world awaits such events
> with diminished expectations, yet hopefully.
>
> Oh, and I was wrong--Gibson was wrong--the Net is not a waste of time,
it's
> just a time of waste.
>
> ja
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-list@rhizome.org [mailto:owner-list@rhizome.org]On Behalf Of
> > marc
> > Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2004 4:57 AM
> > To: list@rhizome.org
> > Subject: Re: RHIZOME_RAW: ANY MORE IDIOT?
> >
> >
> > Hi Manik,
> >
> > Just because, as you say - you suffered and have experienced hard times,
> > does not mean that you are not an idiot. Who is not an idiot every now
> > and then?
> >
> > I have suffered also - but not the same things as you, different - but
> > this does not make me better or even more inforemd than others.
> >
> > To not bother question whether one is an idiot occassionally - is surely
> > close to being idiotic its self?
> >
> > So from one idiot to another - let's move beyond where we all are now,
> > stuck in isolation from each other...
> >
> > You are not my enemy.
> >
> > marc
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > +
> > -> post: list@rhizome.org
> > -> questions: info@rhizome.org
> > -> subscribe/unsubscribe: http://rhizome.org/preferences/subscribe.rhiz
> > -> give: http://rhizome.org/support
> > -> visit: on Fridays the Rhizome.org web site is open to non-members
> > +
> > Subscribers to Rhizome are subject to the terms set out in the
> > Membership Agreement available online at http://rhizome.org/info/29.php
> >
>
>
> +
> -> post: list@rhizome.org
> -> questions: info@rhizome.org
> -> subscribe/unsubscribe: http://rhizome.org/preferences/subscribe.rhiz
> -> give: http://rhizome.org/support
> -> visit: on Fridays the Rhizome.org web site is open to non-members
> +
> Subscribers to Rhizome are subject to the terms set out in the
> Membership Agreement available online at http://rhizome.org/info/29.php
>
Re: ANY MORE IDIOT?
> Just because, as you say - you suffered and have experienced hard times,
> does not mean that you are not an idiot.
We newer wrote "suffered".
Your first sentence is fake.
Try to be more careful,less Idiot.
We desperaterly need to be separate from people who lie in first sentence.
You are nothing to us.
MANIK
----- Original Message -----
From: "marc" <marc.garrett@furtherfield.org>
To: <list@rhizome.org>
Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2004 1:56 PM
Subject: Re: RHIZOME_RAW: ANY MORE IDIOT?
> Hi Manik,
>
> Just because, as you say - you suffered and have experienced hard times,
> does not mean that you are not an idiot. Who is not an idiot every now
> and then?
>
> I have suffered also - but not the same things as you, different - but
> this does not make me better or even more inforemd than others.
>
> To not bother question whether one is an idiot occassionally - is surely
> close to being idiotic its self?
>
> So from one idiot to another - let's move beyond where we all are now,
> stuck in isolation from each other...
>
> You are not my enemy.
>
> marc
>
>
>
>
>
> +
> -> post: list@rhizome.org
> -> questions: info@rhizome.org
> -> subscribe/unsubscribe: http://rhizome.org/preferences/subscribe.rhiz
> -> give: http://rhizome.org/support
> -> visit: on Fridays the Rhizome.org web site is open to non-members
> +
> Subscribers to Rhizome are subject to the terms set out in the
> Membership Agreement available online at http://rhizome.org/info/29.php
>
> does not mean that you are not an idiot.
We newer wrote "suffered".
Your first sentence is fake.
Try to be more careful,less Idiot.
We desperaterly need to be separate from people who lie in first sentence.
You are nothing to us.
MANIK
----- Original Message -----
From: "marc" <marc.garrett@furtherfield.org>
To: <list@rhizome.org>
Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2004 1:56 PM
Subject: Re: RHIZOME_RAW: ANY MORE IDIOT?
> Hi Manik,
>
> Just because, as you say - you suffered and have experienced hard times,
> does not mean that you are not an idiot. Who is not an idiot every now
> and then?
>
> I have suffered also - but not the same things as you, different - but
> this does not make me better or even more inforemd than others.
>
> To not bother question whether one is an idiot occassionally - is surely
> close to being idiotic its self?
>
> So from one idiot to another - let's move beyond where we all are now,
> stuck in isolation from each other...
>
> You are not my enemy.
>
> marc
>
>
>
>
>
> +
> -> post: list@rhizome.org
> -> questions: info@rhizome.org
> -> subscribe/unsubscribe: http://rhizome.org/preferences/subscribe.rhiz
> -> give: http://rhizome.org/support
> -> visit: on Fridays the Rhizome.org web site is open to non-members
> +
> Subscribers to Rhizome are subject to the terms set out in the
> Membership Agreement available online at http://rhizome.org/info/29.php
>
ANY MORE IDIOT?
Dear Idiots,
You live like chicken.Lucky you.Oh!Brand new day...What's happened yesterda=
y.(Chorus of Idiots:"We don't know!")
We hardly wait for next seed story about authors rights(of course imbecile =
you must pay;you pay rent,parking place etc.)But,you don't want to pay some=
body's ART.Why?
Meanwhile Serbs in Kosovo died.Peasant from Koln won't you like to made s=
ome new "Memorial"?(Eao de Cologne;"Look how HUMAN I am!"in front of mirror=
).
We wait for next Idiot?
After all, in this hard time that's relaxation for MANIK.
Wrote !Show your teeth!
You live like chicken.Lucky you.Oh!Brand new day...What's happened yesterda=
y.(Chorus of Idiots:"We don't know!")
We hardly wait for next seed story about authors rights(of course imbecile =
you must pay;you pay rent,parking place etc.)But,you don't want to pay some=
body's ART.Why?
Meanwhile Serbs in Kosovo died.Peasant from Koln won't you like to made s=
ome new "Memorial"?(Eao de Cologne;"Look how HUMAN I am!"in front of mirror=
).
We wait for next Idiot?
After all, in this hard time that's relaxation for MANIK.
Wrote !Show your teeth!
Re: TO IDIOTS
Hi Neil,
We don't think that you are idiot.So,thank for your mail and all the best.
After this mass in Serbia(in Belgrade is hell tonight),we'll be glad to talk
with you about all issues you mention below.
MANIK
----- Original Message -----
From: "neil jenkins" <neil@devoid.co.uk>
To: "manik" <manik@ptt.yu>; "rhizome" <list@rhizome.org>
Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2004 1:11 AM
Subject: Re: RHIZOME_RAW: TO IDIOTS
> hey manik - didn't international terrorism produce terrorism ?
> (directly from government - i'm not referring to any 'recognised'
> 'terrorist' organisations) i don't see how you can scapegoat joy's work
> in this context, it's already been re-represented (pepsi) or
> re-interpreted by quite a few people who were purely outraged by the
> censorship of a painting which drew inspiration from an original image
>
> i didnt see any replies to your email about the virtual memorial - and
> since the last bomb attack (in Mitrovica, Baghdad or Madrid depending
> on the news feed) your words have rung louder in my ears.. each hideous
> advance of war has prompted more and more of us to make work around the
> continued assault by western powers, fundamentalist religions and the
> filtered versions of the 'news', but how or where or do we publish it ?
> (by it's nature the work we have all been making here is tainted, and
> lets face it, we're all lucky enough to have modems and working
> telecoms)
>
> i've turned off my 'home' page and made protest work, through 9/11, the
> continued arrest of Daw Aung San Suu Kyi, Colin Powells speech for war
> at the UN etc etc - but how much does this do ? these are all very
> temporary in time/politic/history context but the continued 'memorial'
> idea is becoming a real problem to me; bombs stop for no-one and the
> victims are continually forgotten, second by second, minute by minute..
> no insult to Agricole for his work, but the need to continually add to
> the memorial is becoming interminable
>
> still no news on the bbc here about the Mitrovica
>
> with much respect
> neil
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, March 17, 2004, at 08:51 PM, manik wrote:
>
> > To all Rhizomers:
> > Tonight Shiptar's(Kosovo Albanians) terrorist killed Serbs in
> > Kosovo.As their Master's Americans(1999 from air) they do that like
> > beast:thousand of Shiptars killed Serbs civilian's(unarmed,without
> > international protection).Destroyed orthodox churches,Serb's houses...
> > We called all (fools) humanitarian on Rhizome to keep Joy(or whatever
> > his/her name is with his stupid and idiotic painting with his pathetic
> > glory) and pay they precious attention to next:
> > America produced terrorism!
> > Responsibility for all victims is Americans!
> > It's time to see killer ayes.
> > Killer is U.S.A!
> >
> > MADRID=KOSOVO
We don't think that you are idiot.So,thank for your mail and all the best.
After this mass in Serbia(in Belgrade is hell tonight),we'll be glad to talk
with you about all issues you mention below.
MANIK
----- Original Message -----
From: "neil jenkins" <neil@devoid.co.uk>
To: "manik" <manik@ptt.yu>; "rhizome" <list@rhizome.org>
Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2004 1:11 AM
Subject: Re: RHIZOME_RAW: TO IDIOTS
> hey manik - didn't international terrorism produce terrorism ?
> (directly from government - i'm not referring to any 'recognised'
> 'terrorist' organisations) i don't see how you can scapegoat joy's work
> in this context, it's already been re-represented (pepsi) or
> re-interpreted by quite a few people who were purely outraged by the
> censorship of a painting which drew inspiration from an original image
>
> i didnt see any replies to your email about the virtual memorial - and
> since the last bomb attack (in Mitrovica, Baghdad or Madrid depending
> on the news feed) your words have rung louder in my ears.. each hideous
> advance of war has prompted more and more of us to make work around the
> continued assault by western powers, fundamentalist religions and the
> filtered versions of the 'news', but how or where or do we publish it ?
> (by it's nature the work we have all been making here is tainted, and
> lets face it, we're all lucky enough to have modems and working
> telecoms)
>
> i've turned off my 'home' page and made protest work, through 9/11, the
> continued arrest of Daw Aung San Suu Kyi, Colin Powells speech for war
> at the UN etc etc - but how much does this do ? these are all very
> temporary in time/politic/history context but the continued 'memorial'
> idea is becoming a real problem to me; bombs stop for no-one and the
> victims are continually forgotten, second by second, minute by minute..
> no insult to Agricole for his work, but the need to continually add to
> the memorial is becoming interminable
>
> still no news on the bbc here about the Mitrovica
>
> with much respect
> neil
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, March 17, 2004, at 08:51 PM, manik wrote:
>
> > To all Rhizomers:
> > Tonight Shiptar's(Kosovo Albanians) terrorist killed Serbs in
> > Kosovo.As their Master's Americans(1999 from air) they do that like
> > beast:thousand of Shiptars killed Serbs civilian's(unarmed,without
> > international protection).Destroyed orthodox churches,Serb's houses...
> > We called all (fools) humanitarian on Rhizome to keep Joy(or whatever
> > his/her name is with his stupid and idiotic painting with his pathetic
> > glory) and pay they precious attention to next:
> > America produced terrorism!
> > Responsibility for all victims is Americans!
> > It's time to see killer ayes.
> > Killer is U.S.A!
> >
> > MADRID=KOSOVO
Re: TO IDIOTS
Wash your brain instead as.We thought that we are finished with your touchy
rhetoric.But,no!
Solve your problems with chauvinism&racism,obviously that's something deep
in your mind,not in our vocabulary(see we are generous,here,and only here
you hawed mind).
Don't torture your self,after all you not so bad gay,vain little.
That's all for you.
MANIK
Next?
PS:Read MANIK's texts again.That's MANIK's argument and statement.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael Szpakowski" <szpako@yahoo.com>
To: <list@rhizome.org>
Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2004 12:42 AM
Subject: Re: RHIZOME_RAW: TO IDIOTS
> <..And
> your stupid "SPAM" is deadly boring...Watch news,you
> insignificant piece of shit!>
> Gosh - those guys certainly can construct a cogent and
> devasting argument!
> I don't have any beef with the assertion that Serbs
> have been victims in Kossovo and other areas of former
> Yugoslavia -it's clearly true, certainly so since
> US/UK intervention, although asking us to believe that
> there was no organized, regime led persecution of the
> Kossovan Albanians under the old regime is pushing it
> just a little.
> What I object to (and manik would like us to believe
> that this is a necessary consequence of the above,
> which it isn't) is their nasty and petty national
> chauvinism and anti Albanian racism.
> I don't think racism ,of whatever form, should have
> any place on this list. How long would it be tolerated
> if African Americans or Bengalis or Jews were spoken
> of in the terms manik used in their original post?(
> which I see they have helpfully appended to their
> reply to Joseph - take a look. )
> I hope not long.
> michael
>
>
>
>
>
> > MANIK
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "trashconnection" <www@trashconnection.com>
> > To: "manik" <manik@ptt.yu>; <list@rhizome.org>
> > Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2004 10:44 PM
> > Subject: Re: RHIZOME_RAW: TO IDIOTS
> >
> >
> > > Americans and bikers are guilty of murder.
> > >
> > > m> To all Rhizomers:
> > > m> Tonight Shiptar's(Kosovo Albanians) terrorist
> > killed Serbs in Kosovo.As
> > their Master's Americans(1999 from air) they do that
> > like beast:thousand of
> > Shiptars killed Serbs civilian's(unarmed,without
> > > m> international protection).Destroyed orthodox
> > churches,Serb's houses...
> > > m> We called all (fools) humanitarian on Rhizome
> > to keep Joy(or whatever
> > his/her name is with his stupid and idiotic painting
> > with his pathetic
> > glory) and pay they precious attention to next:
> > > m> America produced terrorism!
> > > m> Responsibility for all victims is Americans!
> > > m> It's time to see killer ayes.
> > > m> Killer is U.S.A!
> > >
> > > m> MADRID=KOSOVO
rhetoric.But,no!
Solve your problems with chauvinism&racism,obviously that's something deep
in your mind,not in our vocabulary(see we are generous,here,and only here
you hawed mind).
Don't torture your self,after all you not so bad gay,vain little.
That's all for you.
MANIK
Next?
PS:Read MANIK's texts again.That's MANIK's argument and statement.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael Szpakowski" <szpako@yahoo.com>
To: <list@rhizome.org>
Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2004 12:42 AM
Subject: Re: RHIZOME_RAW: TO IDIOTS
> <..And
> your stupid "SPAM" is deadly boring...Watch news,you
> insignificant piece of shit!>
> Gosh - those guys certainly can construct a cogent and
> devasting argument!
> I don't have any beef with the assertion that Serbs
> have been victims in Kossovo and other areas of former
> Yugoslavia -it's clearly true, certainly so since
> US/UK intervention, although asking us to believe that
> there was no organized, regime led persecution of the
> Kossovan Albanians under the old regime is pushing it
> just a little.
> What I object to (and manik would like us to believe
> that this is a necessary consequence of the above,
> which it isn't) is their nasty and petty national
> chauvinism and anti Albanian racism.
> I don't think racism ,of whatever form, should have
> any place on this list. How long would it be tolerated
> if African Americans or Bengalis or Jews were spoken
> of in the terms manik used in their original post?(
> which I see they have helpfully appended to their
> reply to Joseph - take a look. )
> I hope not long.
> michael
>
>
>
>
>
> > MANIK
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "trashconnection" <www@trashconnection.com>
> > To: "manik" <manik@ptt.yu>; <list@rhizome.org>
> > Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2004 10:44 PM
> > Subject: Re: RHIZOME_RAW: TO IDIOTS
> >
> >
> > > Americans and bikers are guilty of murder.
> > >
> > > m> To all Rhizomers:
> > > m> Tonight Shiptar's(Kosovo Albanians) terrorist
> > killed Serbs in Kosovo.As
> > their Master's Americans(1999 from air) they do that
> > like beast:thousand of
> > Shiptars killed Serbs civilian's(unarmed,without
> > > m> international protection).Destroyed orthodox
> > churches,Serb's houses...
> > > m> We called all (fools) humanitarian on Rhizome
> > to keep Joy(or whatever
> > his/her name is with his stupid and idiotic painting
> > with his pathetic
> > glory) and pay they precious attention to next:
> > > m> America produced terrorism!
> > > m> Responsibility for all victims is Americans!
> > > m> It's time to see killer ayes.
> > > m> Killer is U.S.A!
> > >
> > > m> MADRID=KOSOVO