manik vauda marija manik nikola pilipovic
Since 2002
Works in United States of America

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BIO
Belgrade artists Marija Vauda and Nikola Pilipovic have been
collaborating as MANIK since 1999.Their work reflects the
march of history, sometimes literally outside their studio, and a
dialogue with the international artistic community through
organisations and events such as Rhizome and Free Manifesta. Tiija is
their first weblog piece, their previous work has been in mediums as
diverse as video, performance, happenings, email, painting and
installation.

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DISCUSSION

Re: Proof that Death is a Dirty Liar even at ageFortySeven


Nationalism?No,Max it's Vasilij Kandinski,performer&language maker.He is my
Guru(you know).
----- Original Message -----
From: "-IID42 Kandinskij @27+" <death@zaphod.terminal.org>
To: "manik" <manik@ptt.yu>
Cc: "Max Herman" <maxnmherman@hotmail.com>; <list@rhizome.org>
Sent: Sunday, September 08, 2002 2:28 AM
Subject: Re: RHIZOME_RAW: Proof that Death is a Dirty Liar even at
ageFortySeven

> On Sat, 7 Sep 2002, manik wrote:
>
> > Congratulation!You speek English.Wellcome in world of stupidity.
>
> Spare us your idiotic nationalism.
> Your own language is just about as degenerated, if not more
> as English is.
>
>
>
>

DISCUSSION

Re: The universe has a flat geometry science says


YESSS...You are definitely The Genius.Your words are medicine for all
poor&rich,for black&white.Oh,yes Max continue.Do that for humanity.
----- Original Message -----
From: "-IID42 Kandinskij @27+" <death@zaphod.terminal.org>
To: <eu-gene@generative.net>
Cc: <list@rhizome.org>
Sent: Sunday, September 08, 2002 4:21 AM
Subject: Re: RHIZOME_RAW: The universe has a flat geometry science says

> On Sat, 7 Sep 2002, Max Herman wrote:
>
> > Man I wish. That dude almost broke my back.
>
> What back? You're spineless.
>
> But then again like most current human beings you fancy the mentioning
> of 'warrior' as an identification with your lower animal impulses
> to murder. A warrior is not a butcher, although there are plenty of
> butchers who pose around as such.
>
> Now as for wars:
>
> The human being was created as a 'warrior' so that it masters itself
> and its lower nature in awareness of its environment. When you fail
> to do that, and you fail to teach this properly, you will have idiotic
> mischanelling of energies which will result in wars, yes. Yes,
> and humans do mischannel those energies in daily interaction,
> and damage each other. No, you can't 'escape' it by pretending
> it's not there or buying yourself a pacifict ideology.
>
> But you prefer to build these holy-saint-savior icons for yourselves
> and righteously proceed to destroy. Changing the world.
> Making it a better place. Here the dog, and here the dog peeing.
>
> And by the way, Max--disrespecting your 'perceived' enemy
> and condescension towards said, is little but disrespect for yourself
> and condescension towards yourself.
>
> It's even worse that you appropriate a 'master' pose dealing with others
> when you don't even the guts to face yourself--but then that's your
> typical white (american, canadian, east or west european) pose
> these days. Humanity--the masters. You will 'change' the world.
> I can't imagine it ever occurs to you that 'the world' is not you,
> and will smack you much harder than you can imagine. But you
> will continue to look for scapegoats among humans, instead of
> assuming self-responsibility, because it's always someone else's
> fault.
>
> The rich, the poor. The East, the West. Males. Females. THEM.
> Non-slovenians. English speakers. The real dunces. People whom
> you've never met (and I don't mean that speaking via e-mail is not
> enough). The ones who 'don't listen' because they don't
> follow your crap--because the exhibited motivation to 'listen'
> is not to listen impartially and without prejudice to everything,
> but to listen to the language noise inside your heads continuously.
> And your pathetic posing of communication--which is little but
> using language to manipulate and control others--and I mean that
> in far more general terms--and to attempt to beat the NOISE
> inside your head into the inside of somebody else's head--hence you love
> 'discussions'--a language war draped over with a nice, pretty
> pacifist banner of 'intellectualism' or 'art' 'science' or 'civility'
> and is little more than an invitation to bend over and swallow your
> propaganda with a smile--NO THANKS.
>
> Your pathetic please for listening are not in order to
> see huams learn to LISTEN, but in order to have them
> listen TO YOU--ie, hunting for their attention.
>
> Nevermind that inside you're vacant and empty and you
> have very little to say, and due to excessive obsession
> with verbiage in this culture and disindetification with
> your bodies, instead of having proper bodily functions,
> you channel the most incogruous IMBECILITIES in verbal
> form--par example, psychosis, stress, diseases,
> and you dump them on each other haplessly. Pathetic
> verbal masturbation with no end and no satisfaction.
>
> Nevermind a complete LACK of familiarity the functionality of
> words and language, a general distinction between oral and written
> words, and among other things that words act as emotional carriers, and
> 99% of the time you're not saying anything, but simply shooting
> emotional 'arrows' at the person you speak to. It's revolting.
>
> You're not communicating because you have nothing to communicate.
>
> The only thing you do is shuffle cardboard 'symbols' and
> lexical symbols around with your brains in 'clever' 'witty'
> and 'innovative' ways. But the brain is simply a tool,
> and there's nobody inside the house USING the tool.
>
> You hunt each other like fucking animals, abusing each other,
> 'fucking with each other's heads (and that includes the
> psychopathy passed on as education in general)', abusing
> each other emotionally, and pushing every button you can
> (im just figuring out what makes ya tick man) and attempt to
> pass this murderous behavior as 'witty' 'clever' or 'ironic'.
>
> But if I mention the word warrior or Iaido--lo! I_ am the
> one who is the problem, ne? Pathetic and revolting.
>
> But how many of you know what a warrior is, besides
> the crap that's fed in your head by propaganda
> that 'warriors are butchers' and murderers
> by a bunch of incredulous power hungry apes?
>
> Don't you dare work on yourselves, that'd be
> unpacifist. And when the 'revolution' comes,
> your attention will be hunted and hooked again,
> and you will be turned into murderous automatons
> just like you have been so many times through
> history. Nevermind that the 'revolution' is
> ongoing.
>
>
> Rallying under any_ flags has always been an invitation
> for murder, and all revolutions are little but popularly
> sanctioned bloodshed, murder, and butchery.
>
> And it'll always and forever be 'someone else's fault'.
>
> Wake up babies.
>
> The only enemy is the one who looks out at you from the mirror.
>
> And when you talk to mailing lists, this is who you're talking to
> in most cases, most of the time.
>
> You have no access to the 'outside' hence you can't 'communicate'.
>
>
> `, . ` `k a r e i' ? ' D42
>
> + If the reader will keep me company I shall be glad.
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DISCUSSION

Re: Proof that Death is a Dirty Liar even at ageFortySeven


There's no such thing Max.Bamby is oposit of all bodys.He liwes in your
imagination.You,nasty,nasty litle words maker.
----- Original Message -----
From: "-IID42 Kandinskij @27+" <death@zaphod.terminal.org>
To: "manik" <manik@ptt.yu>
Cc: "Max Herman" <maxnmherman@hotmail.com>; <list@rhizome.org>
Sent: Sunday, September 08, 2002 2:24 AM
Subject: Re: RHIZOME_RAW: Proof that Death is a Dirty Liar even at
ageFortySeven

> On Sat, 7 Sep 2002, manik wrote:
>
> > PUSI KURAC!
>
> Amazing. Feel invulnerable.
>
> `, . ` `k a r e i' ? ' D42
>
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DISCUSSION

Re: Any thoughts on this Death?


Fluently English!Is that what you want?
----- Original Message -----
From: "-IID42 Kandinskij @27+" <death@zaphod.terminal.org>
To: "Max Herman" <maxnmherman@hotmail.com>
Cc: <list@rhizome.org>
Sent: Saturday, September 07, 2002 12:29 PM
Subject: Re: RHIZOME_RAW: Any thoughts on this Death?

> On Sat, 7 Sep 2002, Max Herman wrote:
>
> > Death, you have to answer the question, what do you think about it?
>
> I don't 'have' to answer the question.
>
> > You are just lying if you say you have no thoughts on it.
>
> No, I am not. I have no thoughts whatsoever.
>
> > A coward avoiding the question.
>
> Not at all. I simply have no thoughts.
>
>
> > Look at the url. Your egoless mind sees absolutely nothing?
>
> What my mind sees is for me to know. I am not obliged to tell you what
> it is. I'm not even obliged to convert it to thoughts.
>
> > Do you think the url is good or bad?
>
> I have no thoughts on the matter.
>
> > Go and watch the Nader video.
>
> No.
>
> > Your ricketty tinny consciousness sees nothing?
>
> My consciousness is neither ricketty, nor tinny.
> You're being a pathetic bully.
>
> > I think you confuse loveless stagnation
>
> Babe, that'd be you. I am hardly loveless,
> and hardly stagnant.
>
> > and cowardly self-justification with enlightenment.
>
> My dear. You just described yourself.
> Baby, you're not authority on enlightement.
> You're--again--a perfect example of a dictatorial ape,
> as it emerges in an atmosphere of a lack of actual
> valid spiritual connection.
>
>
> > I will be finding many more questions for you.
>
> Good for you.
>
> > You of course are too cowardly to answer.
>
> I don't owe you any answers. Cowardice hasn't got anything to do for
> you. And since you're making references towards the Q & A which I do,
> those were intended ina way which is clearly over your 'head'.
>
> > You are a dirty, sleazy, Baker-roshi pigfucker.
>
> You're speaking about yourself, Max, love.
>
> > Did you already know that serial music was nazi code? I bet you didn't.
>
> Um, that was an urban legend.
>
> > Also, what do you think of
www.geocities.com/genius-2000/SFMOMA82700.html?
>
> I have no thoughts.
>
> > What do you think of albalux.com/g2k/pv? Also, what do you think of
> > genius2000.net?
>
> Nothing.
>
> > Also, do provide a list of the wonderful masters that you think are
capable
> > of changing the world, what they are doing to achieve this, and be very
> > specific.
>
> No intentions--you're not that deserving.
>
> > You also said it was important to have a "welding of man and machine,"
>
> No, I didn't. I made a statement that if there is to be a non-damaging
> symbiotic relationship between current technology and humans, it is to
> occurr in the US. I didn't say it is a goal, nor did I use the term
> *welding of man and machine*.
>
> > which is a quite crapola sentiment or goal.
>
> It isn't. It's perfectly valid, but I will not tell you why.
>
> > You also said the USA is the only country
>
> No, I said that they are most favorably capable of dealing with it.
> Which is true. Like it or not.
>
> > who can achieve this because Europe is "weak."
>
> Europe is weak. wake up.
>
> > I think you feel insignificant
>
> I'm sure you *think*. You don't know how to think.
> I feel perfectly fine, and no I don't suffer from your
> self-pity.
>
> > and your assistance is repulsive to me.
>
> But of course.
>
> > Therefore I am going to tumble you.
>
> No, you aren't. You're going to talk crap,
> and act like a bully. You'll likely even label that as some sort
> of revolutionary taunting-strategy in your brain.
>
>
>
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DISCUSSION

Re: Any thoughts on this Death?


Pathetic idiot!
----- Original Message -----
From: "-IID42 Kandinskij @27+" <death@zaphod.terminal.org>
To: "Max Herman" <maxnmherman@hotmail.com>
Cc: <list@rhizome.org>
Sent: Saturday, September 07, 2002 12:53 PM
Subject: Re: RHIZOME_RAW: Any thoughts on this Death?

> On Sat, 7 Sep 2002, Max Herman wrote:
>
> > You sound just like a dirty kulak or degenerate mobster.
>
> No, I don't. And either are only characters you've read about,
> and never met.
>
> > Here is you:
>
> No, that isn't me, and hasn't got anything to do with me, Max.
> Nor are you qualified to make such judgements.
>
> > Oh man you have no illusions do you.
>
> No I do not.
>
> > Perhaps your Buddhism is not really Buddhism.
>
> I have no 'my Buddhism*. Buddhism is Buddhism.
> It's not my preferred mythological construct, but I understand it.
>
> > In fact I would venture that you are wound tighter and are more
> > arrogant than the hacks you say are everywhere.
>
> The hacks are_ everywhere. And you are one of them.
> And no, I'm extremely relaxed.
>
> > You are useless.
>
> That would be you. I_ am not useless.
>
> > Your comments were extremely weak and lame however.
>
> No, they weren't. They were precise and accurate.
>
> > You spelled "dissolution" wrong.
>
> I didn't. You're picking on typos.
>
> > I think you are frustrated that there aren't any more good teachers like
the one you had.
>
> I am not frustrated over anything, Max.
>
> > And you truly must realize this is why you are a dead ender.
>
> No, Max. In fact, I've clearly stated that these teacher structures
> are dissolved for a reason, and that this dissolution is necessary.
> And unlike you, I do understand why it was, and why it is no longer
> relevant.
>
> > You probably like Zhirinovsky,
>
> I don't like nor dislike. Not familiar with the personage.
>
> > and think that all your Russian boilerplate
>
> I have no russian Boilerplate.
>
> >(orchestration for dummies like 1812) is really great and underrated.
>
> The strict lord of Death bids them dance.
> Anyone who knew anything about anything.
>
> > Your understanding of development is truly Czarist and paltry.
>
> No, it isn't. And like most hacks, you're using cultural
> background to degrade and manipulate. Bravo.
>
> >> The last person to call me a control freak
>
> You are a control freak, Max.
>
> > was a vain, lying nymphomaniac.
>
> And I am not. You're still a control freak.
>
> > I am ranking you with her now.
>
> Yes, I'm sure you feel the need to lump and degrade people.
> It makes you 'feel better' and your ego expand.
>
> > You seem to find the USA's strength in its weapons and money.
>
> No, I don't. Nor have I ever stated that. The opposite, I've clarified
> that the US's strength is the population, as well as cultural
> structures, the loose grasp of genetic and cultural condition
> on the people involved. Avoid attempting to put words in my mouth I've
> never said, baby. And go peddle your idiological opportunist
> *America sucks* attitude elsewhere. It's cheap, stupid, and
> unintelligent.
>
> > Enjoy a hard return slap from me to you, a vestigial analyst.
>
> You'd like to do that, won't you? What a pity you can't even get close.
>
> > I don't have any of the ways, or the one way? Which is it? You are a
gross
> > and unpleasant being like Rasputin.
>
> Sorry baby. I'm nothing like Rasputin. Not that you even begin what
> Rasputin was.
>
> > Cockroach wine.
>
> Cheap sloganish attitude.
>
> > Do not ask me to treat you as friendly again.
>
> I've never asked you to be friendly. I don't care for your friendship.
> Good grief, you're self-important.
>
> > Your truths are of the lowest order.
>
> Sorry--quite the reverse. Nor are you a qualified judge of
> the order of Truths.
>
> So, why don't you froth a bit more?
>
> `, . ` `k a r e i' ? ' D42
>
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