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BIO
Belgrade artists Marija Vauda and Nikola Pilipovic have been
collaborating as MANIK since 1999.Their work reflects the
march of history, sometimes literally outside their studio, and a
dialogue with the international artistic community through
organisations and events such as Rhizome and Free Manifesta. Tiija is
their first weblog piece, their previous work has been in mediums as
diverse as video, performance, happenings, email, painting and
installation.
collaborating as MANIK since 1999.Their work reflects the
march of history, sometimes literally outside their studio, and a
dialogue with the international artistic community through
organisations and events such as Rhizome and Free Manifesta. Tiija is
their first weblog piece, their previous work has been in mediums as
diverse as video, performance, happenings, email, painting and
installation.
Re: Re: net art?
NYET ART(Rusian transla=
tion for net art-nyet mean NO.)But that's second thing we want to say.(Cons=
idered my self this year things goes better,you know: eat almost every day=
,people finally LOVE Serbs because of Tesla's 150 years and that's why they=
going to give part of Serbia-Kosovo with few hundred monastery,churches,=
and other object to... I've forgot whom...oh,yes people too,but who care fo=
r them,they're write off,Peter Handke was there,on Kosovo few days ago(for =
two week).We don't know-maybe he can tell with his word what's going on the=
re.Oh,yes sometime we watch TV.My God!I don't know is that correct to talki=
ng about war without pointed who's quilt(like it was in Serbia case,falsene=
ss construction,we seen that earlier in film with Dustin Hofman and Bob DeN=
iro,and vice verse,one slut Onanpure was there with extended phallus in her=
filthy hand hand(total two),and she mix up lie and oral satisfaction,but..=
.Oh yes I remember now "DEARTISATION",mean nothing,not even oposit of derat=
isation,but we find that word properly for our case,I've try to find dearti=
sation on Google -nothing,nada,nichevo...We also like this Salvatore's nice=
thought about event description and reportages,but nobody believe me,they =
think it's propaganda,half of people from Rhizome isn't here anymore,I've s=
een their name on big exhibition,everyone's doing better then us,I believe =
it's because we are quilt backwards,in year or two even II word war is goin=
g to be (like first)caused by Serbs(some Hitlerovich...)Oh,yes,Guattary,yes=
,yes !He's good like bread,clever man,-no money in nyet art,we believe that=
there's no money for certain people,because of certain reason.Yes,friends=
hit,and think like that,first time we published our sentence on Rhizome,it =
was hundred years ago we were so happy.Sans than we have about 1000 works o=
n rhizome,everybody say to us how nice,god,deep(like asshole)are they and n=
othing.Other people goes further but we stay,This moron Abe Lincoln wrote s=
omething like:"You are happy that you are even on rizome.!"Oh,baby you are =
happy you are live,you could tie shoelace...etc.
Love you...
your here forever
MANIK
Hi Salvatore,
"post-media" was invented quite a while ago, i believe. i think it's a
guattari term? anyway, check out http://aleph-arts.org/epm/eng , for
instance, which has been and gone, but discusses "post-media". Or do you
mean post-post-media?
In the "Webs" section of that site, they say
"Without Rhizome, there would be no 'international net.art community', or=
if
there were, it wouldn't have the same form as it does. Rhizome is the pl=
ace
where 'everybody' gets informed and communicates the results of their
creative practices on the Internet -and logically it is also the place wh=
ere
everybody goes to find out what's happening. Thanks to this, the form th=
at
the net.art community has adopted looks, at least here, like a 'community=
of
media producers' -that is, like one where the audience and the collective=
of
'broadcasters' tend to coincide. If that is indeed the case, it is due
above all to the experience of these kinds of lists, which incite their
audience to online participation."
To me, an 'international net.art community' does indeed need some net art.
ja
http://vispo.com
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-list@rhizome.org [mailto:owner-list@rhizome.org]On Behalf Of
> Salvatore Iaconesi
> Sent: July 23, 2006 4:29 AM
> To: list@rhizome.org
> Subject: RHIZOME_RAW: Re: net art?
>
>
> There is this thing.. post-media...
>
> With the death of interaction-design critique is looking for "the
> next thing to sell". So they are inventing post-media.
>
> It is a wonderful theory that effectively creates from scratch
> "something" that can be shown and sold in galleries and events.
>
> Take the various disciplines of digital arts (be them network,
> software, generative.. whatever), apply post-medianism to them,
> and here you go: something materialized in the physical world,
> ready to be given a price tag, and sold.
>
> "We make money, not art", ok. But is the focus changing direction?
>
> The artist "was" dead. And it was a good thing.
>
> Apart from that: welcome to all the event descriptions and
> reportages ( even mine :) ); i read them all. They are
> interesting and show that there is activity and thought, and a
> will to break the barriers running between who's connected and who's no=
t.
>
> s
tion for net art-nyet mean NO.)But that's second thing we want to say.(Cons=
idered my self this year things goes better,you know: eat almost every day=
,people finally LOVE Serbs because of Tesla's 150 years and that's why they=
going to give part of Serbia-Kosovo with few hundred monastery,churches,=
and other object to... I've forgot whom...oh,yes people too,but who care fo=
r them,they're write off,Peter Handke was there,on Kosovo few days ago(for =
two week).We don't know-maybe he can tell with his word what's going on the=
re.Oh,yes sometime we watch TV.My God!I don't know is that correct to talki=
ng about war without pointed who's quilt(like it was in Serbia case,falsene=
ss construction,we seen that earlier in film with Dustin Hofman and Bob DeN=
iro,and vice verse,one slut Onanpure was there with extended phallus in her=
filthy hand hand(total two),and she mix up lie and oral satisfaction,but..=
.Oh yes I remember now "DEARTISATION",mean nothing,not even oposit of derat=
isation,but we find that word properly for our case,I've try to find dearti=
sation on Google -nothing,nada,nichevo...We also like this Salvatore's nice=
thought about event description and reportages,but nobody believe me,they =
think it's propaganda,half of people from Rhizome isn't here anymore,I've s=
een their name on big exhibition,everyone's doing better then us,I believe =
it's because we are quilt backwards,in year or two even II word war is goin=
g to be (like first)caused by Serbs(some Hitlerovich...)Oh,yes,Guattary,yes=
,yes !He's good like bread,clever man,-no money in nyet art,we believe that=
there's no money for certain people,because of certain reason.Yes,friends=
hit,and think like that,first time we published our sentence on Rhizome,it =
was hundred years ago we were so happy.Sans than we have about 1000 works o=
n rhizome,everybody say to us how nice,god,deep(like asshole)are they and n=
othing.Other people goes further but we stay,This moron Abe Lincoln wrote s=
omething like:"You are happy that you are even on rizome.!"Oh,baby you are =
happy you are live,you could tie shoelace...etc.
Love you...
your here forever
MANIK
Hi Salvatore,
"post-media" was invented quite a while ago, i believe. i think it's a
guattari term? anyway, check out http://aleph-arts.org/epm/eng , for
instance, which has been and gone, but discusses "post-media". Or do you
mean post-post-media?
In the "Webs" section of that site, they say
"Without Rhizome, there would be no 'international net.art community', or=
if
there were, it wouldn't have the same form as it does. Rhizome is the pl=
ace
where 'everybody' gets informed and communicates the results of their
creative practices on the Internet -and logically it is also the place wh=
ere
everybody goes to find out what's happening. Thanks to this, the form th=
at
the net.art community has adopted looks, at least here, like a 'community=
of
media producers' -that is, like one where the audience and the collective=
of
'broadcasters' tend to coincide. If that is indeed the case, it is due
above all to the experience of these kinds of lists, which incite their
audience to online participation."
To me, an 'international net.art community' does indeed need some net art.
ja
http://vispo.com
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-list@rhizome.org [mailto:owner-list@rhizome.org]On Behalf Of
> Salvatore Iaconesi
> Sent: July 23, 2006 4:29 AM
> To: list@rhizome.org
> Subject: RHIZOME_RAW: Re: net art?
>
>
> There is this thing.. post-media...
>
> With the death of interaction-design critique is looking for "the
> next thing to sell". So they are inventing post-media.
>
> It is a wonderful theory that effectively creates from scratch
> "something" that can be shown and sold in galleries and events.
>
> Take the various disciplines of digital arts (be them network,
> software, generative.. whatever), apply post-medianism to them,
> and here you go: something materialized in the physical world,
> ready to be given a price tag, and sold.
>
> "We make money, not art", ok. But is the focus changing direction?
>
> The artist "was" dead. And it was a good thing.
>
> Apart from that: welcome to all the event descriptions and
> reportages ( even mine :) ); i read them all. They are
> interesting and show that there is activity and thought, and a
> will to break the barriers running between who's connected and who's no=
t.
>
> s
nice and lowely
OK.Patrick,we've seen what you wrote...and nothing!?!Everything's there, and
is already finished.
Maybe we made some mistake,but we cant see where.
We hope you'll find where's the problem ,and our cooperation's going to be
nice and lowly as it is.
MANIK
MANIK,
You can use this page to update your email address:
http://rhizome.org/preferences/
If you've already tried and it hasn't worked properly, then I will
need to look into the error. If you have registered two accounts,
then I will need to merge the accounts and that will take a little
bit of time.
Cheers,
Patrick
--
Patrick May
Director of Technology
Rhizome.org
phone: (212) 219-1288 x202
AIM: cyclochew
+ + +
On Jul 6, 2006, at 8:29 PM, manik wrote:
> Hi,
> Will you be kind to answer on our question about OUR NEW
> address&Rhizome
> _Raw?
> Or we must put this on superior level?
> MANIK
is already finished.
Maybe we made some mistake,but we cant see where.
We hope you'll find where's the problem ,and our cooperation's going to be
nice and lowly as it is.
MANIK
MANIK,
You can use this page to update your email address:
http://rhizome.org/preferences/
If you've already tried and it hasn't worked properly, then I will
need to look into the error. If you have registered two accounts,
then I will need to merge the accounts and that will take a little
bit of time.
Cheers,
Patrick
--
Patrick May
Director of Technology
Rhizome.org
phone: (212) 219-1288 x202
AIM: cyclochew
+ + +
On Jul 6, 2006, at 8:29 PM, manik wrote:
> Hi,
> Will you be kind to answer on our question about OUR NEW
> address&Rhizome
> _Raw?
> Or we must put this on superior level?
> MANIK
Fw: RHIZOME_RAW: Re: net art?
----- Original Message -----
From: manik
To: list@rhizome.org
Sent: Sunday, July 23, 2006 8:45 PM
Subject: RE: RHIZOME_RAW: Re: net art?
NYET ART(Rusian translati=
on for net art-nyet mean NO.)But that's second thing we wont to say.(Consid=
ered my self this year things goes better,you know eat almost every day,pe=
ople finally LOVE Serbs because of Tesla and that's why they going to give =
part of our Serbia-Kosovo with few hundred our monastery churches,and othe=
r object to i forgot whom...oh,yes people too,but who care for them,they're=
write off,Peter Handke was there,on Kosovo few days ago(for two week).We d=
on't know-maybe he can tell with his word what's going on there.Oh,yes some=
time we watch TV.My God!I don't know is that correct to talking about war w=
ithout pointed who's quilt(like it was in Serbia case,falseness constructio=
n,we seen that earlier in film withDustin Hofman and Bob DeNiro,and vice ve=
rse,one slut Onanpure was there with extended phallus in her filthy hand ha=
nd(total two),and she mix up lie and oral satisfaction,but...Oh yes I remem=
ber now "DEARTISATION",mean nothing,I've try on Google -nothing,nada,nichev=
o...We also like this Salvatore's nice thought about event description and =
reportages,but nobody believe me,they think it's propaganda,half of people =
from Rhizome isn't here anymore,I seen their name on big exhibition,everyon=
e's better then us,I believe it's because we are quilt backwards,in year or=
two even II word war is going to be (like first)caused by Serbs(some Hitle=
rovich...)Oh,yes,Guattary,yes,yes !He's good like bread,clever man,-no mone=
y in nyet art,we believe that there's no money for certain people,because o=
f certain reason.Yes,friendshit,and think like that,first time we publishe=
d our sentence on Rhizome,it was hundred years ago we were so happy.Sans th=
an we have about 1000 works on rhizome,everybody say to us how nice,god,dee=
p(like asshole)are they and nothing.Other people goes further but we stay,T=
his moron Abe Lincoln wrote something like:"You are happy that you are even=
on frizome.!Oh,baby you are happy you are live,you could tie shoelace...et=
c.
Love you specially all
your here forever
MANIK
Hi Salvatore,
"post-media" was invented quite a while ago, i believe. i think it's a
guattari term? anyway, check out http://aleph-arts.org/epm/eng , for
instance, which has been and gone, but discusses "post-media". Or do you
mean post-post-media?
In the "Webs" section of that site, they say
"Without Rhizome, there would be no 'international net.art community', or if
there were, it wouldn't have the same form as it does. Rhizome is the place
where 'everybody' gets informed and communicates the results of their
creative practices on the Internet -and logically it is also the place where
everybody goes to find out what's happening. Thanks to this, the form that
the net.art community has adopted looks, at least here, like a 'community of
media producers' -that is, like one where the audience and the collective of
'broadcasters' tend to coincide. If that is indeed the case, it is due
above all to the experience of these kinds of lists, which incite their
audience to online participation."
To me, an 'international net.art community' does indeed need some net art.
ja
http://vispo.com
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-list@rhizome.org [mailto:owner-list@rhizome.org]On Behalf Of
> Salvatore Iaconesi
> Sent: July 23, 2006 4:29 AM
> To: list@rhizome.org
> Subject: RHIZOME_RAW: Re: net art?
>
>
> There is this thing.. post-media...
>
> With the death of interaction-design critique is looking for "the
> next thing to sell". So they are inventing post-media.
>
> It is a wonderful theory that effectively creates from scratch
> "something" that can be shown and sold in galleries and events.
>
> Take the various disciplines of digital arts (be them network,
> software, generative.. whatever), apply post-medianism to them,
> and here you go: something materialized in the physical world,
> ready to be given a price tag, and sold.
>
> "We make money, not art", ok. But is the focus changing direction?
>
> The artist "was" dead. And it was a good thing.
>
> Apart from that: welcome to all the event descriptions and
> reportages ( even mine :) ); i read them all. They are
> interesting and show that there is activity and thought, and a
> will to break the barriers running between who's connected and who's not.
>
> s
From: manik
To: list@rhizome.org
Sent: Sunday, July 23, 2006 8:45 PM
Subject: RE: RHIZOME_RAW: Re: net art?
NYET ART(Rusian translati=
on for net art-nyet mean NO.)But that's second thing we wont to say.(Consid=
ered my self this year things goes better,you know eat almost every day,pe=
ople finally LOVE Serbs because of Tesla and that's why they going to give =
part of our Serbia-Kosovo with few hundred our monastery churches,and othe=
r object to i forgot whom...oh,yes people too,but who care for them,they're=
write off,Peter Handke was there,on Kosovo few days ago(for two week).We d=
on't know-maybe he can tell with his word what's going on there.Oh,yes some=
time we watch TV.My God!I don't know is that correct to talking about war w=
ithout pointed who's quilt(like it was in Serbia case,falseness constructio=
n,we seen that earlier in film withDustin Hofman and Bob DeNiro,and vice ve=
rse,one slut Onanpure was there with extended phallus in her filthy hand ha=
nd(total two),and she mix up lie and oral satisfaction,but...Oh yes I remem=
ber now "DEARTISATION",mean nothing,I've try on Google -nothing,nada,nichev=
o...We also like this Salvatore's nice thought about event description and =
reportages,but nobody believe me,they think it's propaganda,half of people =
from Rhizome isn't here anymore,I seen their name on big exhibition,everyon=
e's better then us,I believe it's because we are quilt backwards,in year or=
two even II word war is going to be (like first)caused by Serbs(some Hitle=
rovich...)Oh,yes,Guattary,yes,yes !He's good like bread,clever man,-no mone=
y in nyet art,we believe that there's no money for certain people,because o=
f certain reason.Yes,friendshit,and think like that,first time we publishe=
d our sentence on Rhizome,it was hundred years ago we were so happy.Sans th=
an we have about 1000 works on rhizome,everybody say to us how nice,god,dee=
p(like asshole)are they and nothing.Other people goes further but we stay,T=
his moron Abe Lincoln wrote something like:"You are happy that you are even=
on frizome.!Oh,baby you are happy you are live,you could tie shoelace...et=
c.
Love you specially all
your here forever
MANIK
Hi Salvatore,
"post-media" was invented quite a while ago, i believe. i think it's a
guattari term? anyway, check out http://aleph-arts.org/epm/eng , for
instance, which has been and gone, but discusses "post-media". Or do you
mean post-post-media?
In the "Webs" section of that site, they say
"Without Rhizome, there would be no 'international net.art community', or if
there were, it wouldn't have the same form as it does. Rhizome is the place
where 'everybody' gets informed and communicates the results of their
creative practices on the Internet -and logically it is also the place where
everybody goes to find out what's happening. Thanks to this, the form that
the net.art community has adopted looks, at least here, like a 'community of
media producers' -that is, like one where the audience and the collective of
'broadcasters' tend to coincide. If that is indeed the case, it is due
above all to the experience of these kinds of lists, which incite their
audience to online participation."
To me, an 'international net.art community' does indeed need some net art.
ja
http://vispo.com
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-list@rhizome.org [mailto:owner-list@rhizome.org]On Behalf Of
> Salvatore Iaconesi
> Sent: July 23, 2006 4:29 AM
> To: list@rhizome.org
> Subject: RHIZOME_RAW: Re: net art?
>
>
> There is this thing.. post-media...
>
> With the death of interaction-design critique is looking for "the
> next thing to sell". So they are inventing post-media.
>
> It is a wonderful theory that effectively creates from scratch
> "something" that can be shown and sold in galleries and events.
>
> Take the various disciplines of digital arts (be them network,
> software, generative.. whatever), apply post-medianism to them,
> and here you go: something materialized in the physical world,
> ready to be given a price tag, and sold.
>
> "We make money, not art", ok. But is the focus changing direction?
>
> The artist "was" dead. And it was a good thing.
>
> Apart from that: welcome to all the event descriptions and
> reportages ( even mine :) ); i read them all. They are
> interesting and show that there is activity and thought, and a
> will to break the barriers running between who's connected and who's not.
>
> s