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BIO
Belgrade artists Marija Vauda and Nikola Pilipovic have been
collaborating as MANIK since 1999.Their work reflects the
march of history, sometimes literally outside their studio, and a
dialogue with the international artistic community through
organisations and events such as Rhizome and Free Manifesta. Tiija is
their first weblog piece, their previous work has been in mediums as
diverse as video, performance, happenings, email, painting and
installation.
collaborating as MANIK since 1999.Their work reflects the
march of history, sometimes literally outside their studio, and a
dialogue with the international artistic community through
organisations and events such as Rhizome and Free Manifesta. Tiija is
their first weblog piece, their previous work has been in mediums as
diverse as video, performance, happenings, email, painting and
installation.
Re: why so little discussion?
MACHINE SONG FOR IRON EAR
I think
but I got
I think
but I got
I'm going
What I
I really
for
I'm
and I
I've
Selected by MANIK
----- Original Message -----
From: "patrick lichty" <voyd@voyd.com>
To: "'manik'" <manik@ptt.yu>; "'ryan griffis'" <grifray@yahoo.com>
Cc: "'rhizome'" <list@rhizome.org>
Sent: Sunday, November 21, 2004 1:16 AM
Subject: RE: RHIZOME_RAW: why so little discussion?
> I think that in many cases, there hasn't been that much to discuss.
> There's been a lull in good work, or at least meaty thought on the
> subject.
> I think a new wave is coming with the consideration of the historical,
> but I got a note for a new book on the history of new media from
> 1715-1914?
>
> Ok, I'm going to get this volume, but this seems like a book that is
> constructing a historical context that may or may not be there. What I
> call a, "Tactical Reality" to validate New Media.
>
> Under my criteria, New media really has to do with electronic
> computation as one of its core components. Therefore, I really doubt
> that anyone's going to make a good argument for what we conceive as new
> media art before the 60's.
>
> Back to the discussion topic.
>
> I for one have been swamped. I'm entering academia at the moment, and I
> had no idea what demands they were going to impose. Also, I've been
> putting together ideas for larger texts, which is another matter
> entirely.
>
> And of course, IA & the Yes Men (when I have something to do for them)
> keep me hopping.
>
>
>
>
>
>
I think
but I got
I think
but I got
I'm going
What I
I really
for
I'm
and I
I've
Selected by MANIK
----- Original Message -----
From: "patrick lichty" <voyd@voyd.com>
To: "'manik'" <manik@ptt.yu>; "'ryan griffis'" <grifray@yahoo.com>
Cc: "'rhizome'" <list@rhizome.org>
Sent: Sunday, November 21, 2004 1:16 AM
Subject: RE: RHIZOME_RAW: why so little discussion?
> I think that in many cases, there hasn't been that much to discuss.
> There's been a lull in good work, or at least meaty thought on the
> subject.
> I think a new wave is coming with the consideration of the historical,
> but I got a note for a new book on the history of new media from
> 1715-1914?
>
> Ok, I'm going to get this volume, but this seems like a book that is
> constructing a historical context that may or may not be there. What I
> call a, "Tactical Reality" to validate New Media.
>
> Under my criteria, New media really has to do with electronic
> computation as one of its core components. Therefore, I really doubt
> that anyone's going to make a good argument for what we conceive as new
> media art before the 60's.
>
> Back to the discussion topic.
>
> I for one have been swamped. I'm entering academia at the moment, and I
> had no idea what demands they were going to impose. Also, I've been
> putting together ideas for larger texts, which is another matter
> entirely.
>
> And of course, IA & the Yes Men (when I have something to do for them)
> keep me hopping.
>
>
>
>
>
>
Re: why so little discussion?
I'm very interested in what you say .I think you are right.
MANIK
----- Original Message -----
From: "ryan griffis" <grifray@yahoo.com>
To: "manik" <manik@ptt.yu>
Cc: "rhizome" <list@rhizome.org>
Sent: Sunday, November 21, 2004 12:03 AM
Subject: Re: RHIZOME_RAW: why so little discussion?
>
> > ryan griffis wrote:
> >> "who could afford to
> >> stay in a cell for a year anyway?"
> >
> > Pillar Saints or Stylites. A class of ascetics, chiefly of Syria, who
> > took
> > up their abode on the top of a pillar, from which they never
> > descended. (See
> > Stylites .)
> > St.Danilo spend 50 years on pillar,St.Alimpye about
> > 30.St.Simeon....etc.
>
> Sure, if you call that "affording it." But it demands someone else to
> grow, produce and distribute food to the ascetic - they didn't live 30+
> years on birdshit. Someone else is affording it for him.
> Perhaps an analysis of the subsidization of ascetics is a useful
> comparison for artists.
> >
> > Ryan question is paradigmatic for contemporary state of mind.
> > People believe that they can compress experience.Virtual!?!
> > This "Project" with cell is fanny and sad.And hopeless...
>
> Maybe my question if paradigmatic, i don't know. But i think your
> critique assumes my use of the word "virtual" means "compressed." i'm
> certainly not speaking to any notion of experiential compression...
> maybe an expansion. It's just another form of experience to deal with
> critically, not a paradigmatic shift for me.
> An elaboration of the "fanniness," "sadness" and "hopelessness" might
> help me understand what you're reacting against, if that's of any
> concern to you.
> ryan
>
MANIK
----- Original Message -----
From: "ryan griffis" <grifray@yahoo.com>
To: "manik" <manik@ptt.yu>
Cc: "rhizome" <list@rhizome.org>
Sent: Sunday, November 21, 2004 12:03 AM
Subject: Re: RHIZOME_RAW: why so little discussion?
>
> > ryan griffis wrote:
> >> "who could afford to
> >> stay in a cell for a year anyway?"
> >
> > Pillar Saints or Stylites. A class of ascetics, chiefly of Syria, who
> > took
> > up their abode on the top of a pillar, from which they never
> > descended. (See
> > Stylites .)
> > St.Danilo spend 50 years on pillar,St.Alimpye about
> > 30.St.Simeon....etc.
>
> Sure, if you call that "affording it." But it demands someone else to
> grow, produce and distribute food to the ascetic - they didn't live 30+
> years on birdshit. Someone else is affording it for him.
> Perhaps an analysis of the subsidization of ascetics is a useful
> comparison for artists.
> >
> > Ryan question is paradigmatic for contemporary state of mind.
> > People believe that they can compress experience.Virtual!?!
> > This "Project" with cell is fanny and sad.And hopeless...
>
> Maybe my question if paradigmatic, i don't know. But i think your
> critique assumes my use of the word "virtual" means "compressed." i'm
> certainly not speaking to any notion of experiential compression...
> maybe an expansion. It's just another form of experience to deal with
> critically, not a paradigmatic shift for me.
> An elaboration of the "fanniness," "sadness" and "hopelessness" might
> help me understand what you're reacting against, if that's of any
> concern to you.
> ryan
>
Re: why so little discussion?
TWHI(D)TTERING MACHINE
sorry,I miss one letter,my apologies to Mr.President...
MANIK
----- Original Message -----
From: "manik" <manik@ptt.yu>
To: "twhid" <twhid@twhid.com>; <list@rhizome.org>
Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2004 10:47 PM
Subject: Re: RHIZOME\_RAW: why so little discussion?
> TWI(RD)TTERING MACHINE
> manik :-)
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "twhid" <twhid@twhid.com>
> To: <list@rhizome.org>
> Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2004 8:38 PM
> Subject: Re: RHIZOME\_RAW: why so little discussion?
>
>
> > I encourage everyone to keep talking about me & mriver ;-)
> >
> > Can't get enough of me & mriver? Go here:
> > http://www.digitalmediatree.com/tommoody/?29969
> >
> > I know, I know. I talk about about me & mriver a lot, but here's my
> > response to tom moody's post:
> >
> > http://www.mteww.com/mtaaRR/news/twhid/tom\_moody\_does\_1ypv.html
> >
> > I'll quote bits, then comment (read the entire post
> > (http://www.digitalmediatree.com/tommoody/?29969), I can't figure out
> > if it's positive or negative, but it's thoughtful and honest so you
> > can't ask for more than that).
> >
> > Tom Moody:
> > > Pieces that refer so specifically to known, past artworks, satirically
> > > or otherwise, are problematic
sorry,I miss one letter,my apologies to Mr.President...
MANIK
----- Original Message -----
From: "manik" <manik@ptt.yu>
To: "twhid" <twhid@twhid.com>; <list@rhizome.org>
Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2004 10:47 PM
Subject: Re: RHIZOME\_RAW: why so little discussion?
> TWI(RD)TTERING MACHINE
> manik :-)
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "twhid" <twhid@twhid.com>
> To: <list@rhizome.org>
> Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2004 8:38 PM
> Subject: Re: RHIZOME\_RAW: why so little discussion?
>
>
> > I encourage everyone to keep talking about me & mriver ;-)
> >
> > Can't get enough of me & mriver? Go here:
> > http://www.digitalmediatree.com/tommoody/?29969
> >
> > I know, I know. I talk about about me & mriver a lot, but here's my
> > response to tom moody's post:
> >
> > http://www.mteww.com/mtaaRR/news/twhid/tom\_moody\_does\_1ypv.html
> >
> > I'll quote bits, then comment (read the entire post
> > (http://www.digitalmediatree.com/tommoody/?29969), I can't figure out
> > if it's positive or negative, but it's thoughtful and honest so you
> > can't ask for more than that).
> >
> > Tom Moody:
> > > Pieces that refer so specifically to known, past artworks, satirically
> > > or otherwise, are problematic
Re: Re: why so little discussion?
I'm very interested in what you say .I think you are right.
MANIK
-------Original Message-------
From: Jim Andrews
Date: Saturday, November 20, 2004 11:22:53 PM
To: list@rhizome.org
Subject: RE: RHIZOME_RAW: Re: why so little discussion?
I've really enjoyed the work you posted to Rhizome, Manik. Please post more=
.
It's great stuff.
ja
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-> questions: info@rhizome.org
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-> give: http://rhizome.org/support
-> visit: on Fridays the Rhizome.org web site is open to non-members
+
Subscribers to Rhizome are subject to the terms set out in the
Membership Agreement available online at http://rhizome.org/info/29.php
.
MANIK
-------Original Message-------
From: Jim Andrews
Date: Saturday, November 20, 2004 11:22:53 PM
To: list@rhizome.org
Subject: RE: RHIZOME_RAW: Re: why so little discussion?
I've really enjoyed the work you posted to Rhizome, Manik. Please post more=
.
It's great stuff.
ja
+
-> post: list@rhizome.org
-> questions: info@rhizome.org
-> subscribe/unsubscribe: http://rhizome.org/preferences/subscribe.rhiz
-> give: http://rhizome.org/support
-> visit: on Fridays the Rhizome.org web site is open to non-members
+
Subscribers to Rhizome are subject to the terms set out in the
Membership Agreement available online at http://rhizome.org/info/29.php
.
Re: why so little discussion?
ryan griffis wrote:
>"who could afford to
> stay in a cell for a year anyway?"
Pillar Saints or Stylites. A class of ascetics, chiefly of Syria, who took
up their abode on the top of a pillar, from which they never descended. (See
Stylites .)
St.Danilo spend 50 years on pillar,St.Alimpye about 30.St.Simeon....etc.
Ryan question is paradigmatic for contemporary state of mind.
People believe that they can compress experience.Virtual!?!
This "Project" with cell is fanny and sad.And hopeless...
www.thebookofdays.com/months/jan/5.htm -
www.stthomasirondequoit.com/SaintsAlive/id551.htm
MANIK
> -> post: list@rhizome.org
> -> questions: info@rhizome.org
> -> subscribe/unsubscribe: http://rhizome.org/preferences/subscribe.rhiz
> -> give: http://rhizome.org/support
> -> visit: on Fridays the Rhizome.org web site is open to non-members
> +
> Subscribers to Rhizome are subject to the terms set out in the
> Membership Agreement available online at http://rhizome.org/info/29.php
>
>"who could afford to
> stay in a cell for a year anyway?"
Pillar Saints or Stylites. A class of ascetics, chiefly of Syria, who took
up their abode on the top of a pillar, from which they never descended. (See
Stylites .)
St.Danilo spend 50 years on pillar,St.Alimpye about 30.St.Simeon....etc.
Ryan question is paradigmatic for contemporary state of mind.
People believe that they can compress experience.Virtual!?!
This "Project" with cell is fanny and sad.And hopeless...
www.thebookofdays.com/months/jan/5.htm -
www.stthomasirondequoit.com/SaintsAlive/id551.htm
MANIK
> -> post: list@rhizome.org
> -> questions: info@rhizome.org
> -> subscribe/unsubscribe: http://rhizome.org/preferences/subscribe.rhiz
> -> give: http://rhizome.org/support
> -> visit: on Fridays the Rhizome.org web site is open to non-members
> +
> Subscribers to Rhizome are subject to the terms set out in the
> Membership Agreement available online at http://rhizome.org/info/29.php
>