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BIO
Belgrade artists Marija Vauda and Nikola Pilipovic have been
collaborating as MANIK since 1999.Their work reflects the
march of history, sometimes literally outside their studio, and a
dialogue with the international artistic community through
organisations and events such as Rhizome and Free Manifesta. Tiija is
their first weblog piece, their previous work has been in mediums as
diverse as video, performance, happenings, email, painting and
installation.
collaborating as MANIK since 1999.Their work reflects the
march of history, sometimes literally outside their studio, and a
dialogue with the international artistic community through
organisations and events such as Rhizome and Free Manifesta. Tiija is
their first weblog piece, their previous work has been in mediums as
diverse as video, performance, happenings, email, painting and
installation.
vaya con dios
I don't know Ryan...Why don't you see what B92 have to say?Are you still id=
iot?
I avoid idiots after they show to MANIK they wicked nature:bark&bite when t=
hey are in herd.
Face to face,along, they're coward.
Considered dogs pictures is that suppose to be some joke(Herdy make a joke
He's excellent driver!)
To bad,such potential was...this Vaya con Dios.
Cheers
MANIK
2/9/06 1:51:13 AM Ryan Griffis wrote:
of Tanderberg meet Rhizome. Rhizome meet Vaya Con Dios.
http://www.dobermannreview.co.yu/kennels/Tanderberg/dog/
Vaya%20Con%20Dios%20of%20Tanderberg%202.jpg
On Feb 8, 2006, at 5:30 PM, manik wrote:
> Vaya con Dios
> MANIK
ryan griffis <grifray@yahoo.com>
Thursday, March 18, 2004 6:49 PM
RHIZOME_RAW: Re: threaded news
Thanks for the B92 link Neil.
here are some historical articles, for idiots like me who have no context o=
ther than my own experience of history (in the US) that might be interested.
http://www.fair.org/articles/memory-hole.html
http://members.tripod.com/~sarant_2/ksm.html
http://www.globalpolicy.org/security/issues/ksvindx.htm
iot?
I avoid idiots after they show to MANIK they wicked nature:bark&bite when t=
hey are in herd.
Face to face,along, they're coward.
Considered dogs pictures is that suppose to be some joke(Herdy make a joke
He's excellent driver!)
To bad,such potential was...this Vaya con Dios.
Cheers
MANIK
2/9/06 1:51:13 AM Ryan Griffis wrote:
of Tanderberg meet Rhizome. Rhizome meet Vaya Con Dios.
http://www.dobermannreview.co.yu/kennels/Tanderberg/dog/
Vaya%20Con%20Dios%20of%20Tanderberg%202.jpg
On Feb 8, 2006, at 5:30 PM, manik wrote:
> Vaya con Dios
> MANIK
ryan griffis <grifray@yahoo.com>
Thursday, March 18, 2004 6:49 PM
RHIZOME_RAW: Re: threaded news
Thanks for the B92 link Neil.
here are some historical articles, for idiots like me who have no context o=
ther than my own experience of history (in the US) that might be interested.
http://www.fair.org/articles/memory-hole.html
http://members.tripod.com/~sarant_2/ksm.html
http://www.globalpolicy.org/security/issues/ksvindx.htm
Fw: LAWYER
Hi Lauren,
We feel duty to inform you that MANIK have 760 published text and images o=
n Rhizome,two text in NAN,few longer text(essay about Chris Ashley,intervie=
w with Rob Myers,essay"Conquer of Indifference",first Serbian language essa=
y on Rhizome_Raw and first time published in general. We are proud about th=
at
MANIK"S invited to give interview(with special review on our experience on =
Rhizome org) to http://seecult.org South-Eastern Europe Culture Portal ,the=
largest on Balkan,and also to create forum(something like Rhizome_Raw).Tha=
t mean we have consciousness about all difficulties and challenge you must =
solve.
All those fact lied to conclusion that we think positive about Rhizome org =
and this unsolved problems:our disappeared registration for cloned object =
and this last (censored,refused,lose...) texts shouldn't be obstacle for fu=
rther cooperation-on the contrary.We ask you to examine what's happened wit=
h Marisa and her obligation toward Rhizome members,especially toward our re=
gistration,and to tell us what's controversial in this twice time refuse te=
xt(below)?
We are different in way of expression our discontent.To understand sharpnes=
s of our reaction you should be inform about history of this particularly p=
roblem:" Isabelle Dinoire".
Sincerely
MANIK
From: manik
To: Eric Dymond
Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2006 8:43 PM
Subject: LAWYER
----- Original Message -----
From: manik
To: Eric Dymond
Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2006 5:20 PM
Subject: LAWYER
manik vauda marija manik nikola pilipovic wrote:
> Obvious your role IS to do what you've already dun.
> About "intention":my intention's to put in one grave all dead
> person(soldie=
> rs and their victims)in Iraq war.
Eric wrote:
>>thats just silly.
>>by the same extrapolation we could blame abe for Hiroshima, and every a=
trocity known to man.
No,no,no,you nasty "Eric The Boy",you are so far from subject,are you sto=
ned?
Marisas duty is to be editor (or something) to Rhizome Art Base,NAN,Rhiz.=
Digest,Cloned Object...but she
don't work that(lazy,spoiled,ignorant?).Instead she take a role of abe li=
nkoln lawyer and(quoting):"Given Linkoln's body of work, it's interesting t=
o juxtapose tissue
sampling and the sampling of media."
Something so ideological behind the mask of pure formalism I haven't seen=
since
first NATO art attack on Europe(abstract expressionism during 50-is).Mari=
sa,MANIK talking to YOU-:"Do your work,
our 25$ is not for your adoration to some poor Abe.Do your homework and s=
olve MANIK'S proposal for cloned object!Simply-yes or no."We can't believe =
that you just don't understand that your duty is to keep live illusion of d=
emocracy on Rhizome.
Regarding Hiroshima you,Eric,are absolutely right:abe take full responsib=
ility backwards!
His personal amoebic psychological structure show us exactly the same ind=
ifferent superficial as it was in
"Enola Gay" crowd when they throw A-bomb on Hiroshima.
You are not even close to understand parable about Iraq.I suggest you-don=
't even try!
You must learn so much...
> Must I ask what you think about political consequence of such
> "intention"?J=
> ust think about Danish comic.
> To treat Isabelle Dinoire on Mr.Linkolns way is easy,mean and
> immorality.
Why? Provide a little critical reasoning. I understand Annies discomfort,=
but you are just being beligerent.
Describe the work, and then explore its meaning.
"Provide a little critical reasoning."For you somebody's emotion
is"discomfort"
I,m not schoolboy to"Describe the work, and then explore its meaning."
So Eric:drink milk,don't smoke,don't do drugs...This phase with art's goi=
ng to
be short for you(I bet on that)...
Vaya con Dios
MANIK
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-> post: list@rhizome.org
-> questions: info@rhizome.org
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-> give: http://rhizome.org/support
+
Subscribers to Rhizome are subject to the terms set out in the
Membership Agreement available online at http://rhizome.org/info/29.php
We feel duty to inform you that MANIK have 760 published text and images o=
n Rhizome,two text in NAN,few longer text(essay about Chris Ashley,intervie=
w with Rob Myers,essay"Conquer of Indifference",first Serbian language essa=
y on Rhizome_Raw and first time published in general. We are proud about th=
at
MANIK"S invited to give interview(with special review on our experience on =
Rhizome org) to http://seecult.org South-Eastern Europe Culture Portal ,the=
largest on Balkan,and also to create forum(something like Rhizome_Raw).Tha=
t mean we have consciousness about all difficulties and challenge you must =
solve.
All those fact lied to conclusion that we think positive about Rhizome org =
and this unsolved problems:our disappeared registration for cloned object =
and this last (censored,refused,lose...) texts shouldn't be obstacle for fu=
rther cooperation-on the contrary.We ask you to examine what's happened wit=
h Marisa and her obligation toward Rhizome members,especially toward our re=
gistration,and to tell us what's controversial in this twice time refuse te=
xt(below)?
We are different in way of expression our discontent.To understand sharpnes=
s of our reaction you should be inform about history of this particularly p=
roblem:" Isabelle Dinoire".
Sincerely
MANIK
From: manik
To: Eric Dymond
Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2006 8:43 PM
Subject: LAWYER
----- Original Message -----
From: manik
To: Eric Dymond
Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2006 5:20 PM
Subject: LAWYER
manik vauda marija manik nikola pilipovic wrote:
> Obvious your role IS to do what you've already dun.
> About "intention":my intention's to put in one grave all dead
> person(soldie=
> rs and their victims)in Iraq war.
Eric wrote:
>>thats just silly.
>>by the same extrapolation we could blame abe for Hiroshima, and every a=
trocity known to man.
No,no,no,you nasty "Eric The Boy",you are so far from subject,are you sto=
ned?
Marisas duty is to be editor (or something) to Rhizome Art Base,NAN,Rhiz.=
Digest,Cloned Object...but she
don't work that(lazy,spoiled,ignorant?).Instead she take a role of abe li=
nkoln lawyer and(quoting):"Given Linkoln's body of work, it's interesting t=
o juxtapose tissue
sampling and the sampling of media."
Something so ideological behind the mask of pure formalism I haven't seen=
since
first NATO art attack on Europe(abstract expressionism during 50-is).Mari=
sa,MANIK talking to YOU-:"Do your work,
our 25$ is not for your adoration to some poor Abe.Do your homework and s=
olve MANIK'S proposal for cloned object!Simply-yes or no."We can't believe =
that you just don't understand that your duty is to keep live illusion of d=
emocracy on Rhizome.
Regarding Hiroshima you,Eric,are absolutely right:abe take full responsib=
ility backwards!
His personal amoebic psychological structure show us exactly the same ind=
ifferent superficial as it was in
"Enola Gay" crowd when they throw A-bomb on Hiroshima.
You are not even close to understand parable about Iraq.I suggest you-don=
't even try!
You must learn so much...
> Must I ask what you think about political consequence of such
> "intention"?J=
> ust think about Danish comic.
> To treat Isabelle Dinoire on Mr.Linkolns way is easy,mean and
> immorality.
Why? Provide a little critical reasoning. I understand Annies discomfort,=
but you are just being beligerent.
Describe the work, and then explore its meaning.
"Provide a little critical reasoning."For you somebody's emotion
is"discomfort"
I,m not schoolboy to"Describe the work, and then explore its meaning."
So Eric:drink milk,don't smoke,don't do drugs...This phase with art's goi=
ng to
be short for you(I bet on that)...
Vaya con Dios
MANIK
+
-> post: list@rhizome.org
-> questions: info@rhizome.org
-> subscribe/unsubscribe: http://rhizome.org/preferences/subscribe.rhiz
-> give: http://rhizome.org/support
+
Subscribers to Rhizome are subject to the terms set out in the
Membership Agreement available online at http://rhizome.org/info/29.php
Re: isabelle dinoire
Marisa wrote:
>To put it very crudely, we are talking about an act of remixing a face.
>Given Linkoln's body of work, it's interesting to juxtapose tissue
>sampling and the sampling of media. It's not my role to overstate or
>impose such an "intention" upon this work, but I think it can definitely
>be read in that way.
Annie's right.In Isabelle's case we couldn't talk about "remixing",maybe,we=
can talk about "insert"(part of face
,de facto, fill a gap in one missing face.Remixing could,eventuality, treat=
completed,new look of Isabella's face,so this term
point the way this man(Mr.Linkoln)treat a problem:it's something out of hi=
s comprehend of human as a
complex structure.In his words:" This video is about the truth of nerve end=
ings and microphones."
On certain way this particular woman became heap of nerve endings,playgroun=
d for bad comprehend "remixing" game.
So :Orlan's kind of"remixing"product,same as Mickey Rourke,or Tiger,Lizard.=
..man,but
Isabelle is horrible incident,and Marisa's quasi excuse("To put it very cru=
dely")talk about something
worse than crudely-she is indifferent same as Mr.Linkoln."It's not my role =
to overstate or
impose such an "intention" upon this work, but I think it can definitely
be read in that way."
Obvious your role IS to do what you've already dun.
About "intention":my intention's to put in one grave all dead person(soldie=
rs and their victims)in Iraq war.
That could be nice example of "remixing",more cynical intention than Mr.Li=
nkoln's,certainly.
Must I ask what you think about political consequence of such "intention"?J=
ust think about Danish comic.
To treat Isabelle Dinoire on Mr.Linkolns way is easy,mean and immorality.
More Marisa:
>I honestly see nothing immoral about this video. That's obviously just one
>person's subjective response, but it's one informed by another subjective
>response to the mainstream discourse surrounding face transplants. The
>subject is scary, exciting, and confusing. I think Linkoln is part of a
>generation of artists who make remixes to make sense of things in a media
>saturated culture.
>And it just so happens that this all occurs in a time of intense policy
I'm sure you deeply doubt in moral of this video(simple psychological
rule is when somebody talk
about honest,there's something wrong with it,kind of "homosemantism",I supp=
ose,equivalent in body
language,touch nose when lie etc).
I'm not familiar with "mainstream discourse surrounding face transplants",b=
ut it's consolation for us to know that Mr.Linkoln is part of such semantic=
disposed generation.
He maid express his self one day?In culture...
I'm disgust with people who profit on somebody else's pain.
(Mr.Linkoln is paradigm for cases like that,as artist unimportant.)
MANIK
>To put it very crudely, we are talking about an act of remixing a face.
>Given Linkoln's body of work, it's interesting to juxtapose tissue
>sampling and the sampling of media. It's not my role to overstate or
>impose such an "intention" upon this work, but I think it can definitely
>be read in that way.
Annie's right.In Isabelle's case we couldn't talk about "remixing",maybe,we=
can talk about "insert"(part of face
,de facto, fill a gap in one missing face.Remixing could,eventuality, treat=
completed,new look of Isabella's face,so this term
point the way this man(Mr.Linkoln)treat a problem:it's something out of hi=
s comprehend of human as a
complex structure.In his words:" This video is about the truth of nerve end=
ings and microphones."
On certain way this particular woman became heap of nerve endings,playgroun=
d for bad comprehend "remixing" game.
So :Orlan's kind of"remixing"product,same as Mickey Rourke,or Tiger,Lizard.=
..man,but
Isabelle is horrible incident,and Marisa's quasi excuse("To put it very cru=
dely")talk about something
worse than crudely-she is indifferent same as Mr.Linkoln."It's not my role =
to overstate or
impose such an "intention" upon this work, but I think it can definitely
be read in that way."
Obvious your role IS to do what you've already dun.
About "intention":my intention's to put in one grave all dead person(soldie=
rs and their victims)in Iraq war.
That could be nice example of "remixing",more cynical intention than Mr.Li=
nkoln's,certainly.
Must I ask what you think about political consequence of such "intention"?J=
ust think about Danish comic.
To treat Isabelle Dinoire on Mr.Linkolns way is easy,mean and immorality.
More Marisa:
>I honestly see nothing immoral about this video. That's obviously just one
>person's subjective response, but it's one informed by another subjective
>response to the mainstream discourse surrounding face transplants. The
>subject is scary, exciting, and confusing. I think Linkoln is part of a
>generation of artists who make remixes to make sense of things in a media
>saturated culture.
>And it just so happens that this all occurs in a time of intense policy
I'm sure you deeply doubt in moral of this video(simple psychological
rule is when somebody talk
about honest,there's something wrong with it,kind of "homosemantism",I supp=
ose,equivalent in body
language,touch nose when lie etc).
I'm not familiar with "mainstream discourse surrounding face transplants",b=
ut it's consolation for us to know that Mr.Linkoln is part of such semantic=
disposed generation.
He maid express his self one day?In culture...
I'm disgust with people who profit on somebody else's pain.
(Mr.Linkoln is paradigm for cases like that,as artist unimportant.)
MANIK
NEW BIRD
----- Original Message -----
From: "abe linkoln" <abe@linkoln.net>
To: <list@rhizome.org> <mailto:manik@ptt.yu>
Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2004 11:01 AM
Subject: Re: RHIZOME_RAW: INTELECTUAL SHIT
"abe linkoln" wrote:
>not a very good netochka nezvanova impression your doing manik.
>go try your act over in the syndicate list, i'm sure you'll get scared
>and come crawling back to raw very quietly.
Who is netochka nezvanova,new bird?
Are you so mentally limited that after two years
can't think out something new?
Don't be nervous,your video is so bad
that deserve few more words.
Hope you have your adviser around?
MANIK
manik wrote:
> >abe wrote:
> >hello,
>
> >this video is about the truth of nerve endings and microphones.
>
> >abe
>
> MANIK WROTE:
> You are man who know "*/The Truth/*"!Typical for
> amateur&megalomaniac.Only they know the truth.
> We haven't seen Agricola de Ko... for a long time-to much death and
> disaster.
> Maybe you want to continued his necrophilia job- to exploit other people=
> trouble?
> Your declaration put your work on place where it belong:it's miserable=
> neo-pop
> with pompous scholarly explanation.
>
> MANIK
>
>
From: "abe linkoln" <abe@linkoln.net>
To: <list@rhizome.org> <mailto:manik@ptt.yu>
Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2004 11:01 AM
Subject: Re: RHIZOME_RAW: INTELECTUAL SHIT
"abe linkoln" wrote:
>not a very good netochka nezvanova impression your doing manik.
>go try your act over in the syndicate list, i'm sure you'll get scared
>and come crawling back to raw very quietly.
Who is netochka nezvanova,new bird?
Are you so mentally limited that after two years
can't think out something new?
Don't be nervous,your video is so bad
that deserve few more words.
Hope you have your adviser around?
MANIK
manik wrote:
> >abe wrote:
> >hello,
>
> >this video is about the truth of nerve endings and microphones.
>
> >abe
>
> MANIK WROTE:
> You are man who know "*/The Truth/*"!Typical for
> amateur&megalomaniac.Only they know the truth.
> We haven't seen Agricola de Ko... for a long time-to much death and
> disaster.
> Maybe you want to continued his necrophilia job- to exploit other people=
> trouble?
> Your declaration put your work on place where it belong:it's miserable=
> neo-pop
> with pompous scholarly explanation.
>
> MANIK
>
>
NEW MANIK'S WORK
----- Original Message -----
From: manik
To: LISt@rhizome.org
Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2006 6:59 PM
Subject: NEW MANIK'S WORK
07,FEBRUARY___MANIK_______2006_____________)_
NEW MANIK'S WORK ON SEEcult.
http://seecult.org/v-web/b2/index.php?cat=7
From: manik
To: LISt@rhizome.org
Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2006 6:59 PM
Subject: NEW MANIK'S WORK
07,FEBRUARY___MANIK_______2006_____________)_
NEW MANIK'S WORK ON SEEcult.
http://seecult.org/v-web/b2/index.php?cat=7