Re: Re: Fwd: Rhizome -- Software Art Installation
On Tuesday, Sep 30, 2003, at 19:03 America/New_York, Pall Thayer wrote:
> It sounds like they didn't receive the types of submissions they were
> expecting which may just be because the artists themselves have
> conflicting
> understandings of the term 'software art'. But if this is to be the
> case,
> that the term 'software art' applies only to work that reflects on
> software
> and software culture, then what term do we apply to the other stuff?
May I interject here.
You are right in every count given my very unscholarly conversations
with some ''software'' artists. The problem is, people feel
uncomfortable calling some of these pieces paintings or even
sculptures. If software is just the medium, just like oil, wax or
acrylics --and it has nothing to reflect upon the 'nature' of
software-- what do we call it? I vote for artware.
/ l i z a
> It sounds like they didn't receive the types of submissions they were
> expecting which may just be because the artists themselves have
> conflicting
> understandings of the term 'software art'. But if this is to be the
> case,
> that the term 'software art' applies only to work that reflects on
> software
> and software culture, then what term do we apply to the other stuff?
May I interject here.
You are right in every count given my very unscholarly conversations
with some ''software'' artists. The problem is, people feel
uncomfortable calling some of these pieces paintings or even
sculptures. If software is just the medium, just like oil, wax or
acrylics --and it has nothing to reflect upon the 'nature' of
software-- what do we call it? I vote for artware.
/ l i z a
Re: between the "a" and the "t"
Question to Rhizome,
Since Rhizome is not a rhizome anymore, if the New Museum is taking
over the ARTBASE, does this mean that all artists are being collected
by the New Museum? Are these pieces going into their permanent
collection? What will the relationship be, if any, between the New
Museum and artists? Wouldn't artists have to sign a copyright (or
copyleft) agreement with them?
Just asking.
On Saturday, Sep 27, 2003, at 11:19 America/New_York, Curt Cloninger
wrote:
> Hi everybody who reads rhizome raw,
>
> I just have to say that the new banner "rhizome.org --> at the new
> museum" is grossly oxymoronic. A rhizome has no central node. That's
> the famous point. You can't have a rhizome "at" anywhere. I'm not
> even sure you can have a ".org" at anywhere. Are the .org
> administrative duties housed within the New Museum org chart? Is the
> .org site server hardware housed within the new museum building?
>
> In any other community, me pointing this out would just be semantic
> nit-picking, but the whole ethos of this community (although it's
> always been grossly NYC-centric) is virtuality and world-wide-ness.
> The new site banner is antithetical to this ethos.
>
> Maybe rhizomatic strucutres are overly idealistic to begin with. The
> physical network may allow it, but human's simply can't
> paradigmatically accept it and fit it into the rest of their
> hierarchized world.
>
> Or maybe it just played out that way in this one instance.
>
> Or maybe the banner simply needs to be changed to something more
> accurate like:
> "rhizome.org --> largely funded and run by the new museum"
>
> I'm not trying to dredge up the old anti-kapitalistik stone-throwing.
> I don't have any intrinsic beef with hierarchy or making money. The
> new partnership may prove to be the best tihng for rhizome since
> sliced bacon. I'm just pointing out that the new site banner don't
> make no sense.
>
> humbly,
> curt
> + ti esrever dna ti pilf nwod gniht ym tup
> -> post: list@rhizome.org
> -> questions: info@rhizome.org
> -> subscribe/unsubscribe: http://rhizome.org/preferences/subscribe.rhiz
> -> give: http://rhizome.org/support
> +
> Subscribers to Rhizome are subject to the terms set out in the
> Membership Agreement available online at http://rhizome.org/info/29.php
>
Since Rhizome is not a rhizome anymore, if the New Museum is taking
over the ARTBASE, does this mean that all artists are being collected
by the New Museum? Are these pieces going into their permanent
collection? What will the relationship be, if any, between the New
Museum and artists? Wouldn't artists have to sign a copyright (or
copyleft) agreement with them?
Just asking.
On Saturday, Sep 27, 2003, at 11:19 America/New_York, Curt Cloninger
wrote:
> Hi everybody who reads rhizome raw,
>
> I just have to say that the new banner "rhizome.org --> at the new
> museum" is grossly oxymoronic. A rhizome has no central node. That's
> the famous point. You can't have a rhizome "at" anywhere. I'm not
> even sure you can have a ".org" at anywhere. Are the .org
> administrative duties housed within the New Museum org chart? Is the
> .org site server hardware housed within the new museum building?
>
> In any other community, me pointing this out would just be semantic
> nit-picking, but the whole ethos of this community (although it's
> always been grossly NYC-centric) is virtuality and world-wide-ness.
> The new site banner is antithetical to this ethos.
>
> Maybe rhizomatic strucutres are overly idealistic to begin with. The
> physical network may allow it, but human's simply can't
> paradigmatically accept it and fit it into the rest of their
> hierarchized world.
>
> Or maybe it just played out that way in this one instance.
>
> Or maybe the banner simply needs to be changed to something more
> accurate like:
> "rhizome.org --> largely funded and run by the new museum"
>
> I'm not trying to dredge up the old anti-kapitalistik stone-throwing.
> I don't have any intrinsic beef with hierarchy or making money. The
> new partnership may prove to be the best tihng for rhizome since
> sliced bacon. I'm just pointing out that the new site banner don't
> make no sense.
>
> humbly,
> curt
> + ti esrever dna ti pilf nwod gniht ym tup
> -> post: list@rhizome.org
> -> questions: info@rhizome.org
> -> subscribe/unsubscribe: http://rhizome.org/preferences/subscribe.rhiz
> -> give: http://rhizome.org/support
> +
> Subscribers to Rhizome are subject to the terms set out in the
> Membership Agreement available online at http://rhizome.org/info/29.php
>
Re: Net Baroque
Why would it be disparaging if the internet itself is, structurally
speaking, baroque?
On Friday, Sep 26, 2003, at 01:51 America/New\_York, Jim Andrews wrote:
> Hi Christina,
>
> What is the plugin to install for
> <http://www.internet3d.net/paratopias/piranesia/index.html> ? I got a
> new
> hard drive and did a clean install of xp, so i don't have all the
> plugins
> installed i used to, but would like to view your vrml.
>
> concerning 'baroque', it seems like a term that has been used by some
> to
> primarily disparage plugin net.art. and it is misapplied to work that
> uses
> plugins but doesn't really seem baroque, though there is some net.art
> that
> does seem (vaguely) baroque. but it seems mainly a term of
> disparagement,
> doesn't it? Though I should add I don't think that's the way you're
> using
> it.
>
> looking at the def below, for instance, i don't see it applying to my
> own
> work or much of the work discussed at
> http://trace.ntu.ac.uk/Review/index.cfm?articleE , which is
> interactive
> audio work.
>
> are you 'reclaiming' the term 'baroque'?
>
> ja
>
> ba
speaking, baroque?
On Friday, Sep 26, 2003, at 01:51 America/New\_York, Jim Andrews wrote:
> Hi Christina,
>
> What is the plugin to install for
> <http://www.internet3d.net/paratopias/piranesia/index.html> ? I got a
> new
> hard drive and did a clean install of xp, so i don't have all the
> plugins
> installed i used to, but would like to view your vrml.
>
> concerning 'baroque', it seems like a term that has been used by some
> to
> primarily disparage plugin net.art. and it is misapplied to work that
> uses
> plugins but doesn't really seem baroque, though there is some net.art
> that
> does seem (vaguely) baroque. but it seems mainly a term of
> disparagement,
> doesn't it? Though I should add I don't think that's the way you're
> using
> it.
>
> looking at the def below, for instance, i don't see it applying to my
> own
> work or much of the work discussed at
> http://trace.ntu.ac.uk/Review/index.cfm?articleE , which is
> interactive
> audio work.
>
> are you 'reclaiming' the term 'baroque'?
>
> ja
>
> ba
Re: Net Baroque
why those plug-ins? never heard of them.
On Friday, Sep 26, 2003, at 11:42 America/New_York, Christina McPhee
wrote:
> On 9/25/03 10:51 PM, "Jim Andrews" <jim@vispo.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi Christina,
>>
>> What is the plugin to install for
>> <http://www.internet3d.net/paratopias/piranesia/index.html> ? I got a
>> new
>> hard drive and did a clean install of xp, so i don't have all the
>> plugins
>> installed i used to, but would like to view your vrml.
>
> Blaxxun for pcs
> http://www.blaxxun.com/services/support/download/install.shtml
> Cortona for mac
> http://www.parallelgraphics.com/products/cortonamac/
On Friday, Sep 26, 2003, at 11:42 America/New_York, Christina McPhee
wrote:
> On 9/25/03 10:51 PM, "Jim Andrews" <jim@vispo.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi Christina,
>>
>> What is the plugin to install for
>> <http://www.internet3d.net/paratopias/piranesia/index.html> ? I got a
>> new
>> hard drive and did a clean install of xp, so i don't have all the
>> plugins
>> installed i used to, but would like to view your vrml.
>
> Blaxxun for pcs
> http://www.blaxxun.com/services/support/download/install.shtml
> Cortona for mac
> http://www.parallelgraphics.com/products/cortonamac/
Fwd: [UnschoolingDiscussion] Some good news
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>
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>
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>
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> 20030925/ap_on_re_af/nigeria_death_by_stoning