Liza Sabater
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Re: Fw: Your Rhizome.org contribution


Hi Tim,

Through Ebay. I won an auction for some software but it was all a scam.
Other people on similar auctions got completely ripped off --the
assholes ran away with more than $2K of auction money from different
people because somehow they made it so that Paypal would not accept
none of our credit cards and would force people into opening accounts
that had to be tied to brick and mortar bank accounts. It would not
shock me if this was done by people working for Paypal (not necessarily
within Paypal).

I NEVER give out bank account information. So I postponed immediate
payment. I anyway had one the auction fair and square, right? Well,
time passes by and I first hear from a Michelle whose real name is
Laura Kroft. Yes, that is right Laura Kroft with a Fort Lee address.
Well, the address was actually a mail box out in Fort Lee that was
promptly closed when complaints to Ebay came in. Since I did not open
the PayPal account, I did not lose the cash but somehow they managed to
get our credit card information and make charges.

I cannot reinforce the importance of using credit cards, period! Do not
even use charge cards with VISA or MC logos. Just use credit cards. In
the US credit card holders are protected and our liability is minimal.
Not so with charge cards tied to bank accounts. Your money can and will
be wiped-out through Paypal or another company and your money will be
gone, kaput. Good luck getting it back. The dispute process can be a
long and excruciating process and last I checked liability differs from
bank to bank. If you lost $500 and the bank's liability is $500, guess
what, you're out of your money.

Whose got that kind of money to lose if they need to pay the bills and
feed their kids RIGHT NOW? So stay away from Paypal.

Liza

On Saturday, Jan 25, 2003, at 13:25 America/New_York, t.whid wrote:

> hey liza,
>
> i use paypal and it's tied into my bank account so i'm a little scared.
>
> how did this scam happen to you?
>
>
> On Saturday, January 25, 2003, at 01:12 PM, Liza Sabater wrote:
>
>> On Thursday, Jan 23, 2003, at 11:00 America/New_York, Mark Tribe
>> wrote:
>>
>>> you don't need a credit card to make a payment using paypal
>>
>> Sorry to rub you the wrong way but I think Paypal is evil. My credit
>> card id was stolen thanks to Paypal. They would have run with my bank
>> account info as well if I had given it to them.
>>
>> I'd follow Ivan's tip --just send in the freaking five dollar bill.
>>
>> Liza

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Re: free friday for beginners


Manik,

I really enjoy your art-mails. I especially liked your Jasper Johns.

Best,
Liza

On Thursday, Jan 23, 2003, at 12:06 America/New_York, manik wrote:

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Re: Fw: Your Rhizome.org contribution


On Thursday, Jan 23, 2003, at 11:00 America/New_York, Mark Tribe wrote:

> you don't need a credit card to make a payment using paypal

Sorry to rub you the wrong way but I think Paypal is evil. My credit
card id was stolen thanks to Paypal. They would have run with my bank
account info as well if I had given it to them.

I'd follow Ivan's tip --just send in the freaking five dollar bill.

Liza

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Re: Joseph Beuys Social Sculpture Q&A


I never said ART Inc is evil. It's just that, b'ness.

Which leads me to respond that Beuys is b'ness.
Tribe with Rhizome is b'ness.
And for that matter, Napier with his "for sale art" is b'ness.

Still, my point was that Beuys has been commodified
a long, long time ago. Beuys and only Beuys made it possible.

Cheers,
Liza

At 9:41 PM -0800 11/23/02, -IID42 Kandinskij @27+ wrote:
>http://www.ginkopress.com/_cata/ima1/beuyso-0.htm
>
>So, how did exactly Mark Tribe 'start thinking' about rhizome
>as a social sculpture in Beuys terms, without making any
>'spiritual claims'?
>
>Or is Mark Tribe attempting to commodify + kitschify rhizome
>and_ beuys?
>
>And to Ms. Sabater: isn't this a marvellous example of ART, INC
>or does one 'selectively' idolize net.art because it is the
>'hopeful upcoming latest populist gadget that is to get funding'
>from the EVIL ART INC?