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Re: Re: [_arc.hive_] "digital poetry" vs net art
> oh, alright, i've got to get it off my chest---
Blackhawk:Those of us >who are
>critical veterans of the late '70s all too well remember the ill-use the term >"decorative" was put to. Its demonization by late-formalists, & the >response; a
>reassessment of critical terms by feminists who attempted to heroicize the >term in
>changing the field of contest for curatorial classification (& in so doing >reflecting a larger struggle)
Blackhawk:Those of us >who are
>critical veterans of the late '70s all too well remember the ill-use the term >"decorative" was put to. Its demonization by late-formalists, & the >response; a
>reassessment of critical terms by feminists who attempted to heroicize the >term in
>changing the field of contest for curatorial classification (& in so doing >reflecting a larger struggle)
Re: Fwd: Re: RHIZOME_RAW: "digital poetry" vs net art
great stuff here, and you raise some very pertinent
points...
i'm not privileging the network as in the
institutions, but the physical network itself....i
mean, the nodes of people and machines connected
together we call the net...
why squish my soft self into algorithms? what attracts
me is the fact that the mchine is a manifestation of
the human mind itself...there's nothing cold and alien
to human thought in code....code is human thought,
just abstracted and taken to an (at times) ridiculous
literalness...
actually, it's the desire for having fewer limits that
attracts me...i like my work to be porous, to have
spaces to be filled in by the user...this makes for a
lot of unpredictability (which is why i often talk
about interaction as communion with the user, about
the user sharing the creation of the work)...
you know, i never would have imagined that such a
simple question would have opened such a hot debate,
or subjected me to so much ire....i wonder why....
but, yes, this is good stuff....i'm glad a few people
are actually thinking instead of just reacting...
bliss
l
--- ruth catlow <ruth.catlow@furtherfield.org> wrote:
>
>
> lewis lacook wrote:
> >me, i just want a net art that is truly an art
> fitted to its medium...i
> want a net art that literally requires the net work
> in order to manifest
> itself...
>
> I think this gives the institutions and the
> structures of the net work
> far too much respect. Isn't this like saying that we
> only want art that
> requires the cubey white walls of a gallery? Why are
> you so eager to
> squash your squishy, expressive, human flesh sourced
> imaginations into
> the predetermined and rigid labyrinths of
> mathematically determined
> structures?
>
> I know that my own attraction to 'net art that
> literally requires the
> net work in order to manifest itself' is linked to a
> desire for the
> safety of limits, control, submission paired up
> paradoxically with a
> ridiculous programmed fear and respectful awe of the
> superior
> intelligence/functionality ascribed to the 'coded'
> art work. (I do
> regard this attraction as perverse-hehe)
>
> Perhaps it is similar to a call for evidence of
> craft in art, a proof
> that the artist is doing something that most people
> consider themselves
> incapable of doing. Or a call for provable rigour.
> It is definitely a
> step towards cyborgism which I don't have a problem
> with per se but
> which I find it hard to get excited about.
>
> Also don't think we can overlook the many different
> ways that artists
> come to be net artists often starting with the
> 'decorative, and how it
> applies to art on the web... making animations of
> words--at best, the
> reactivity and interaction required of the user is
> touching rollover
> buttons===which in flash, we know, takes almost no
> knowledge of code'
>
> The animations and 'decorations' represent one of
> the roots/routes to
> net art . Or do we insist that in order to enter a
> 'pantheon of net art'
> the artist is prepared to dedicate a significant
> proportion of their
> practice to learning and manipulating code. If this
> is what we are
> saying, then if we want a burgeoning of excellent
> and relevant work we
> need to set up apprenticeships for the learning of
> the craft of code,
> otherwise we may find that we are excluding a whole
> gamut of artists
> with insight and talent but no facility for code and
> therefore no way to
> communicate. And what about how that time might
> otherwise be usefully
> spent, researching and exploring other relevant
> human issues. Or perhaps
> this is finally an admission that like in films we
> now need a team of
> people with different areas of expertise to
> accomplish a net art work.
>
> The net does not just provide a distinct medium but
> represents a
> platform for a distinct but very diverse culture
> with a distinct means
> of distribution. I think that 'net art that
> literally requires the net
> work in order to manifest itself' maybe could
> include art that needs the
> audience to receive knowledge of its existence
> through their emails in
> order for it to resonate. Some very simple image and
> text web pages are
> very successful in communicating poetics as true and
> rigorous and
> relevant as any net work exclusive works. And the
> fact that I receive
> them in my inbox influences how the pieces are
> received.
>
> Thanks Lewis for starting this up
>
> cheers
>
> Ruth
>
> furtherfield.org
>
>
>
>
> >
> > i agree. you should post this (below) back to
> the list (or i
> > can
> > redirect it if you didn't save it.) i'm happy
> to see more of
> > this
> > kinda discussion, rather than all the flaming
> that goes
> > on... and i
> > think others would be, too...
> >
> > best,
> > ~mo
> >
> >
> >
> > >hi marisa...
> > >
> > >i agree that "digital poetry" is often a
> romantic term...
> > >
> > >what i'm looking for is perhaps this...i've
> been thinking
> > lately
> > >about the distinction between functional and
> decorative,
> > and how it >applies to art on the web...a lot
> of the
> > "digital poetry" crowd is
> > >comprised of artists who make animations of
> words--at best,
> > the
> > >reactivity and interaction required of the
> user is touching
> > rollover
> > >buttons===which in flash, we know, takes
> almost no
> > knowledge of code
> > >at all...these works seem to me to be
> remaking cinema,
> > which, as you
> > >and i know, we already have...
> > >
> > >i guess it boils down to this: what's the
> difference
> > between say, a
> > >piece by mez and the recent gogolchat by
> jimpunk and
> > christophe
> > >bruno? because it's here i see the
> distinction most
> > >clearly...gogolchat is highly
> functional:::it explores
> > >user-interaction...it requires the network
> in order to
> > manifest
> > >itself (that being for me one of the true
> signs of a pure
> > net
> > >work...mez's connection to the network, at
> least in regards
> > to her
> > >multimedia works, is less tangible////the
> work does require
> > the
> > >! network, but in a passive way, that is, it
> requires email
> > list-servs
> > >for distribution, and takes much of its
> language from a
> > kind of
> > >pantomime of code itself...///it's more
> interactive than
> > digital
> > >cinema, but less so than a work like
> gogolchat (or chris
> > fahey's
> > >ada1852)----
> > >
> > >me, i just want a net art that is truly an
> art fitted to
> > its
> > >medium...i want a net art that literally
> requires the net
> > work in
> > >order to manifest itself...
> > >
> > >bliss
> > >
> > >l
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > "Marisa S. Olson" wrote:
> > >
> > > >Are "digital poetry" and net art two
> distinct genres?
> > And, perhaps
> > > >more importantly, should they be?
> > >
> > >lewis,
> > >
> > >an interesting question, though i do wonder
> if "digital
> > poetry" isn't
> > >a romanticization of work (text-based or
> otherwise)
> > constructed
> > >and/or experienced in/with digital media.
> > >
> > >! of course you know that your question
> involves defining
> > the
> > >"products" of two practices that tend to
> defy
> > >definition--particularly among these
> object-oriented lines.
> > however,
> > >i would most certainly say that there is a
> "poetics" of
> > "net art," in
> > >the sense that there are specific
> rhetorical,
> > narratological,
> > >structural conditions under which the work
> is made,
> > represented,
> > >distributed, accessed, interpreted, etc..
> the means, modes,
> > and
> > >vehicles by which it signifies....
> > >
> > >marisa
> > >
> > >
> > >_________________
> > >Marisa S. Olson
> > >Associate Director
> > >SF Camerawork
> > >415. 863. 1001
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >Anningan (in progress)
> > > http://www.le
> > >wislacook.com/Anningan/AnningansDoor.html
> > >
> > >http://www.lewislacook.com/
> > >
> > >http://artists
> > >.mp3s.com/artists/385/lewis_lacook.html
> > >
> > >meditation, net art, poeisis: blog
> > >http://lewislacook.blogspot.com/
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >Do you Yahoo!?
> > >U2
> > >on LAUNCH - Exclusive medley & videos from
> Greatest Hits CD
> >
> > _________________
> > Marisa S. Olson
> > Associate Director
> > SF Camerawork
> > 415. 863. 1001
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Anningan (in progress)
> >
>
http://www.lewislacook.com/Anningan/AnningansDoor.html
> >
> > http://www.lewislacook.com/
> >
> >
>
http://artists.mp3s.com/artists/385/lewis_lacook.html
> >
> > meditation, net art, poeisis: blog
> http://lewislacook.blogspot.com/
> >
> >
> >
>
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
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> > U2 on LAUNCH - Exclusive medley & videos from
> Greatest Hits CD
>
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points...
i'm not privileging the network as in the
institutions, but the physical network itself....i
mean, the nodes of people and machines connected
together we call the net...
why squish my soft self into algorithms? what attracts
me is the fact that the mchine is a manifestation of
the human mind itself...there's nothing cold and alien
to human thought in code....code is human thought,
just abstracted and taken to an (at times) ridiculous
literalness...
actually, it's the desire for having fewer limits that
attracts me...i like my work to be porous, to have
spaces to be filled in by the user...this makes for a
lot of unpredictability (which is why i often talk
about interaction as communion with the user, about
the user sharing the creation of the work)...
you know, i never would have imagined that such a
simple question would have opened such a hot debate,
or subjected me to so much ire....i wonder why....
but, yes, this is good stuff....i'm glad a few people
are actually thinking instead of just reacting...
bliss
l
--- ruth catlow <ruth.catlow@furtherfield.org> wrote:
>
>
> lewis lacook wrote:
> >me, i just want a net art that is truly an art
> fitted to its medium...i
> want a net art that literally requires the net work
> in order to manifest
> itself...
>
> I think this gives the institutions and the
> structures of the net work
> far too much respect. Isn't this like saying that we
> only want art that
> requires the cubey white walls of a gallery? Why are
> you so eager to
> squash your squishy, expressive, human flesh sourced
> imaginations into
> the predetermined and rigid labyrinths of
> mathematically determined
> structures?
>
> I know that my own attraction to 'net art that
> literally requires the
> net work in order to manifest itself' is linked to a
> desire for the
> safety of limits, control, submission paired up
> paradoxically with a
> ridiculous programmed fear and respectful awe of the
> superior
> intelligence/functionality ascribed to the 'coded'
> art work. (I do
> regard this attraction as perverse-hehe)
>
> Perhaps it is similar to a call for evidence of
> craft in art, a proof
> that the artist is doing something that most people
> consider themselves
> incapable of doing. Or a call for provable rigour.
> It is definitely a
> step towards cyborgism which I don't have a problem
> with per se but
> which I find it hard to get excited about.
>
> Also don't think we can overlook the many different
> ways that artists
> come to be net artists often starting with the
> 'decorative, and how it
> applies to art on the web... making animations of
> words--at best, the
> reactivity and interaction required of the user is
> touching rollover
> buttons===which in flash, we know, takes almost no
> knowledge of code'
>
> The animations and 'decorations' represent one of
> the roots/routes to
> net art . Or do we insist that in order to enter a
> 'pantheon of net art'
> the artist is prepared to dedicate a significant
> proportion of their
> practice to learning and manipulating code. If this
> is what we are
> saying, then if we want a burgeoning of excellent
> and relevant work we
> need to set up apprenticeships for the learning of
> the craft of code,
> otherwise we may find that we are excluding a whole
> gamut of artists
> with insight and talent but no facility for code and
> therefore no way to
> communicate. And what about how that time might
> otherwise be usefully
> spent, researching and exploring other relevant
> human issues. Or perhaps
> this is finally an admission that like in films we
> now need a team of
> people with different areas of expertise to
> accomplish a net art work.
>
> The net does not just provide a distinct medium but
> represents a
> platform for a distinct but very diverse culture
> with a distinct means
> of distribution. I think that 'net art that
> literally requires the net
> work in order to manifest itself' maybe could
> include art that needs the
> audience to receive knowledge of its existence
> through their emails in
> order for it to resonate. Some very simple image and
> text web pages are
> very successful in communicating poetics as true and
> rigorous and
> relevant as any net work exclusive works. And the
> fact that I receive
> them in my inbox influences how the pieces are
> received.
>
> Thanks Lewis for starting this up
>
> cheers
>
> Ruth
>
> furtherfield.org
>
>
>
>
> >
> > i agree. you should post this (below) back to
> the list (or i
> > can
> > redirect it if you didn't save it.) i'm happy
> to see more of
> > this
> > kinda discussion, rather than all the flaming
> that goes
> > on... and i
> > think others would be, too...
> >
> > best,
> > ~mo
> >
> >
> >
> > >hi marisa...
> > >
> > >i agree that "digital poetry" is often a
> romantic term...
> > >
> > >what i'm looking for is perhaps this...i've
> been thinking
> > lately
> > >about the distinction between functional and
> decorative,
> > and how it >applies to art on the web...a lot
> of the
> > "digital poetry" crowd is
> > >comprised of artists who make animations of
> words--at best,
> > the
> > >reactivity and interaction required of the
> user is touching
> > rollover
> > >buttons===which in flash, we know, takes
> almost no
> > knowledge of code
> > >at all...these works seem to me to be
> remaking cinema,
> > which, as you
> > >and i know, we already have...
> > >
> > >i guess it boils down to this: what's the
> difference
> > between say, a
> > >piece by mez and the recent gogolchat by
> jimpunk and
> > christophe
> > >bruno? because it's here i see the
> distinction most
> > >clearly...gogolchat is highly
> functional:::it explores
> > >user-interaction...it requires the network
> in order to
> > manifest
> > >itself (that being for me one of the true
> signs of a pure
> > net
> > >work...mez's connection to the network, at
> least in regards
> > to her
> > >multimedia works, is less tangible////the
> work does require
> > the
> > >! network, but in a passive way, that is, it
> requires email
> > list-servs
> > >for distribution, and takes much of its
> language from a
> > kind of
> > >pantomime of code itself...///it's more
> interactive than
> > digital
> > >cinema, but less so than a work like
> gogolchat (or chris
> > fahey's
> > >ada1852)----
> > >
> > >me, i just want a net art that is truly an
> art fitted to
> > its
> > >medium...i want a net art that literally
> requires the net
> > work in
> > >order to manifest itself...
> > >
> > >bliss
> > >
> > >l
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > "Marisa S. Olson" wrote:
> > >
> > > >Are "digital poetry" and net art two
> distinct genres?
> > And, perhaps
> > > >more importantly, should they be?
> > >
> > >lewis,
> > >
> > >an interesting question, though i do wonder
> if "digital
> > poetry" isn't
> > >a romanticization of work (text-based or
> otherwise)
> > constructed
> > >and/or experienced in/with digital media.
> > >
> > >! of course you know that your question
> involves defining
> > the
> > >"products" of two practices that tend to
> defy
> > >definition--particularly among these
> object-oriented lines.
> > however,
> > >i would most certainly say that there is a
> "poetics" of
> > "net art," in
> > >the sense that there are specific
> rhetorical,
> > narratological,
> > >structural conditions under which the work
> is made,
> > represented,
> > >distributed, accessed, interpreted, etc..
> the means, modes,
> > and
> > >vehicles by which it signifies....
> > >
> > >marisa
> > >
> > >
> > >_________________
> > >Marisa S. Olson
> > >Associate Director
> > >SF Camerawork
> > >415. 863. 1001
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >Anningan (in progress)
> > > http://www.le
> > >wislacook.com/Anningan/AnningansDoor.html
> > >
> > >http://www.lewislacook.com/
> > >
> > >http://artists
> > >.mp3s.com/artists/385/lewis_lacook.html
> > >
> > >meditation, net art, poeisis: blog
> > >http://lewislacook.blogspot.com/
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >Do you Yahoo!?
> > >U2
> > >on LAUNCH - Exclusive medley & videos from
> Greatest Hits CD
> >
> > _________________
> > Marisa S. Olson
> > Associate Director
> > SF Camerawork
> > 415. 863. 1001
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Anningan (in progress)
> >
>
http://www.lewislacook.com/Anningan/AnningansDoor.html
> >
> > http://www.lewislacook.com/
> >
> >
>
http://artists.mp3s.com/artists/385/lewis_lacook.html
> >
> > meditation, net art, poeisis: blog
> http://lewislacook.blogspot.com/
> >
> >
> >
>
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
> > Do you Yahoo!?
> > U2 on LAUNCH - Exclusive medley & videos from
> Greatest Hits CD
>
=====
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http://www.lewislacook.com/
http://artists.mp3s.com/artists/385/lewis_lacook.html
meditation, net art, poeisis: blog http://lewislacook.blogspot.com/
__________________________________________________
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Re:"digital poetry" vs net art
well sure!
but i don't see code as the cold science everyone sees
it as...code is quite human, code IS one of our human
problems...a lot of the bumpier moments in this debate
have been caused by bad coding (on my part as well as
others)///
language is code
all communication is code///
so, yeah, i appreciate this though!
bliss
l
--- ruth catlow <ruth.catlow@furtherfield.org> wrote:
>
> One last thing. Wittgenstein said this-
>
> 'Even when all possible scientific questions have
> been answered, our problems
> of life remain completely untouched'
>
> ////
> OO
> < ?
> ~
>
=====
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http://www.lewislacook.com/
http://artists.mp3s.com/artists/385/lewis_lacook.html
meditation, net art, poeisis: blog http://lewislacook.blogspot.com/
__________________________________________________
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but i don't see code as the cold science everyone sees
it as...code is quite human, code IS one of our human
problems...a lot of the bumpier moments in this debate
have been caused by bad coding (on my part as well as
others)///
language is code
all communication is code///
so, yeah, i appreciate this though!
bliss
l
--- ruth catlow <ruth.catlow@furtherfield.org> wrote:
>
> One last thing. Wittgenstein said this-
>
> 'Even when all possible scientific questions have
> been answered, our problems
> of life remain completely untouched'
>
> ////
> OO
> < ?
> ~
>
=====
Anningan (in progress) http://www.lewislacook.com/Anningan/AnningansDoor.html
http://www.lewislacook.com/
http://artists.mp3s.com/artists/385/lewis_lacook.html
meditation, net art, poeisis: blog http://lewislacook.blogspot.com/
__________________________________________________
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Fwd: Re: RHIZOME_RAW: "digital poetry" vs net art
Marisa S. Olson" <marisa@sfcamerawork.org> wrote:Date: Sat, 9 Nov 2002 15:07:24 -0800
To: lewis lacook
From: "Marisa S. Olson"
Subject: Re: RHIZOME_RAW: "digital poetry" vs net art
>me, i just want a net art that is truly an art fitted to its
>medium...i want a net art that literally requires the net work in
>order to manifest itself...
i agree. you should post this (below) back to the list (or i can
redirect it if you didn't save it.) i'm happy to see more of this
kinda discussion, rather than all the flaming that goes on... and i
think others would be, too...
best,
~mo
>hi marisa...
>
>i agree that "digital poetry" is often a romantic term...
>
>what i'm looking for is perhaps this...i've been thinking lately
>about the distinction between functional and decorative, and how it
>applies to art on the web...a lot of the "digital poetry" crowd is
>comprised of artists who make animations of words--at best, the
>reactivity and interaction required of the user is touching rollover
>buttons===which in flash, we know, takes almost no knowledge of code
>at all...these works seem to me to be remaking cinema, which, as you
>and i know, we already have...
>
>i guess it boils down to this: what's the difference between say, a
>piece by mez and the recent gogolchat by jimpunk and christophe
>bruno? because it's here i see the distinction most
>clearly...gogolchat is highly functional:::it explores
>user-interaction...it requires the network in order to manifest
>itself (that being for me one of the true signs of a pure net
>work...mez's connection to the network, at least in regards to her
>multimedia works, is less tangible////the work does require the
>network, but in a passive way, that is, it requires email list-servs
>for distribution, and takes much of its language from a kind of
>pantomime of code itself...///it's more interactive than digital
>cinema, but less so than a work like gogolchat (or chris fahey's
>ada1852)----
>
>me, i just want a net art that is truly an art fitted to its
>medium...i want a net art that literally requires the net work in
>order to manifest itself...
>
>bliss
>
>l
>
>
>
> "Marisa S. Olson" wrote:
>
> >Are "digital poetry" and net art two distinct genres? And, perhaps
> >more importantly, should they be?
>
>lewis,
>
>an interesting question, though i do wonder if "digital poetry" isn't
>a romanticization of work (text-based or otherwise) constructed
>and/or experienced in/with digital media.
>
>of course you know that your question involves defining the
>"products" of two practices that tend to defy
>definition--particularly among these object-oriented lines. however,
>i would most certainly say that there is a "poetics" of "net art," in
>the sense that there are specific rhetorical, narratological,
>structural conditions under which the work is made, represented,
>distributed, accessed, interpreted, etc.. the means, modes, and
>vehicles by which it signifies....
>
>marisa
>
>
>_________________
>Marisa S. Olson
>Associate Director
>SF Camerawork
>415. 863. 1001
>
>
>
>Anningan (in progress)
> http://www.le
>wislacook.com/Anningan/AnningansDoor.html
>
>http://www.lewislacook.com/
>
>http://artists
>.mp3s.com/artists/385/lewis_lacook.html
>
>meditation, net art, poeisis: blog
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To: lewis lacook
From: "Marisa S. Olson"
Subject: Re: RHIZOME_RAW: "digital poetry" vs net art
>me, i just want a net art that is truly an art fitted to its
>medium...i want a net art that literally requires the net work in
>order to manifest itself...
i agree. you should post this (below) back to the list (or i can
redirect it if you didn't save it.) i'm happy to see more of this
kinda discussion, rather than all the flaming that goes on... and i
think others would be, too...
best,
~mo
>hi marisa...
>
>i agree that "digital poetry" is often a romantic term...
>
>what i'm looking for is perhaps this...i've been thinking lately
>about the distinction between functional and decorative, and how it
>applies to art on the web...a lot of the "digital poetry" crowd is
>comprised of artists who make animations of words--at best, the
>reactivity and interaction required of the user is touching rollover
>buttons===which in flash, we know, takes almost no knowledge of code
>at all...these works seem to me to be remaking cinema, which, as you
>and i know, we already have...
>
>i guess it boils down to this: what's the difference between say, a
>piece by mez and the recent gogolchat by jimpunk and christophe
>bruno? because it's here i see the distinction most
>clearly...gogolchat is highly functional:::it explores
>user-interaction...it requires the network in order to manifest
>itself (that being for me one of the true signs of a pure net
>work...mez's connection to the network, at least in regards to her
>multimedia works, is less tangible////the work does require the
>network, but in a passive way, that is, it requires email list-servs
>for distribution, and takes much of its language from a kind of
>pantomime of code itself...///it's more interactive than digital
>cinema, but less so than a work like gogolchat (or chris fahey's
>ada1852)----
>
>me, i just want a net art that is truly an art fitted to its
>medium...i want a net art that literally requires the net work in
>order to manifest itself...
>
>bliss
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> "Marisa S. Olson" wrote:
>
> >Are "digital poetry" and net art two distinct genres? And, perhaps
> >more importantly, should they be?
>
>lewis,
>
>an interesting question, though i do wonder if "digital poetry" isn't
>a romanticization of work (text-based or otherwise) constructed
>and/or experienced in/with digital media.
>
>of course you know that your question involves defining the
>"products" of two practices that tend to defy
>definition--particularly among these object-oriented lines. however,
>i would most certainly say that there is a "poetics" of "net art," in
>the sense that there are specific rhetorical, narratological,
>structural conditions under which the work is made, represented,
>distributed, accessed, interpreted, etc.. the means, modes, and
>vehicles by which it signifies....
>
>marisa
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