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Re: Re: Re: adobe acquires macromedia
hmmmmm....maybe: less flash-based web art?
imagine....;-}
bliss
l
--- Jim Andrews <jim@vispo.com> wrote:
>
> > More on this whole deal here:
> >
> >
>
http://www.webstandards.org/buzz/archive/2005_04.html#a000516
>
> Forms. Flash and forms. There's the sort of business
> it's for. Filling in
> forms. DHTML aspires in that direction also. Not
> toward the service of art
> but the service of business. That's where the money
> is: business documents.
>
> That's 'the enterprise route'. More or less the
> route of dullness.
>
> See, that's what I like about the historical
> trajectory of Director: it just
> never went there. The folks developing it were
> always more inspired by
> multimedia possibilities than by things like
> business forms.
>
> Adobe is quite print-focussed. Nice very nice.
> That's why they never had any
> "Web magic".
>
> Now they have Macromedia. A pity, really.
>
> If Microsoft had got them, it would be a foregone
> conclusion all their
> products would disappear and become inconsequential
> because Microsoft simply
> cannot deal with creative products. With Adobe
> having gotten them, it's a
> bit less clear. But that print-focus and business
> focus does not bode well.
>
> ja
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imagine....;-}
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--- Jim Andrews <jim@vispo.com> wrote:
>
> > More on this whole deal here:
> >
> >
>
http://www.webstandards.org/buzz/archive/2005_04.html#a000516
>
> Forms. Flash and forms. There's the sort of business
> it's for. Filling in
> forms. DHTML aspires in that direction also. Not
> toward the service of art
> but the service of business. That's where the money
> is: business documents.
>
> That's 'the enterprise route'. More or less the
> route of dullness.
>
> See, that's what I like about the historical
> trajectory of Director: it just
> never went there. The folks developing it were
> always more inspired by
> multimedia possibilities than by things like
> business forms.
>
> Adobe is quite print-focussed. Nice very nice.
> That's why they never had any
> "Web magic".
>
> Now they have Macromedia. A pity, really.
>
> If Microsoft had got them, it would be a foregone
> conclusion all their
> products would disappear and become inconsequential
> because Microsoft simply
> cannot deal with creative products. With Adobe
> having gotten them, it's a
> bit less clear. But that print-focus and business
> focus does not bode well.
>
> ja
> http://vispo.com
>
>
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Re: adobe acquires macromedia
http://www.macromedia.com/software/flashplayer/productinfo/faq/#item-3-4
--- Pall Thayer <palli@pallit.lhi.is> wrote:
>
> Since when is the flash player open?
>
> On Mon, 18 Apr 2005, I Poop Rainbows wrote:
>
> > since the flash player is open now, things like
> php's
> > minglib already enable this to an extent---
> >
> >
> >
> > --- Pall Thayer <palli@pallit.lhi.is> wrote:
> > >
> > > I think they should just take all of Macromedias
> > > stuff and give it to the
> > > open-source community. That would be cool. That
> > > would make me love adobe.
> > >
> > >
> > > On Mon, 18 Apr 2005, Jess Loseby wrote:
> > >
> > > > hello
> > > > >
> > > > > 8. Import Flash animations into After
> Effects?
> > > Holy shit! That would be
> > > > > great.
> > > >
> > > > not sure if you are being sarcastic (?) but if
> > > not, you can do this already btw
> > > > - unless you mean maintaining interactivity
> which
> > > would be cool.
> > > >
> > > > jess.
> > > > +
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--- Pall Thayer <palli@pallit.lhi.is> wrote:
>
> Since when is the flash player open?
>
> On Mon, 18 Apr 2005, I Poop Rainbows wrote:
>
> > since the flash player is open now, things like
> php's
> > minglib already enable this to an extent---
> >
> >
> >
> > --- Pall Thayer <palli@pallit.lhi.is> wrote:
> > >
> > > I think they should just take all of Macromedias
> > > stuff and give it to the
> > > open-source community. That would be cool. That
> > > would make me love adobe.
> > >
> > >
> > > On Mon, 18 Apr 2005, Jess Loseby wrote:
> > >
> > > > hello
> > > > >
> > > > > 8. Import Flash animations into After
> Effects?
> > > Holy shit! That would be
> > > > > great.
> > > >
> > > > not sure if you are being sarcastic (?) but if
> > > not, you can do this already btw
> > > > - unless you mean maintaining interactivity
> which
> > > would be cool.
> > > >
> > > > jess.
> > > > +
> > > > -> post: list@rhizome.org
> > > > -> questions: info@rhizome.org
> > > > -> subscribe/unsubscribe:
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> > > set out in the
> > > > Membership Agreement available online at
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> > > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Pall Thayer
> > > artist/teacher
> > > http://www.this.is/pallit
> > > http://130.208.220.190/
> > > http://130.208.220.190/nuharm
> > > http://130.208.220.190/panse
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> >
>
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Re: adobe acquires macromedia
since the flash player is open now, things like php's
minglib already enable this to an extent---
--- Pall Thayer <palli@pallit.lhi.is> wrote:
>
> I think they should just take all of Macromedias
> stuff and give it to the
> open-source community. That would be cool. That
> would make me love adobe.
>
>
> On Mon, 18 Apr 2005, Jess Loseby wrote:
>
> > hello
> > >
> > > 8. Import Flash animations into After Effects?
> Holy shit! That would be
> > > great.
> >
> > not sure if you are being sarcastic (?) but if
> not, you can do this already btw
> > - unless you mean maintaining interactivity which
> would be cool.
> >
> > jess.
> > +
> > -> post: list@rhizome.org
> > -> questions: info@rhizome.org
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> >
>
> --
> Pall Thayer
> artist/teacher
> http://www.this.is/pallit
> http://130.208.220.190/
> http://130.208.220.190/nuharm
> http://130.208.220.190/panse
>
>
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minglib already enable this to an extent---
--- Pall Thayer <palli@pallit.lhi.is> wrote:
>
> I think they should just take all of Macromedias
> stuff and give it to the
> open-source community. That would be cool. That
> would make me love adobe.
>
>
> On Mon, 18 Apr 2005, Jess Loseby wrote:
>
> > hello
> > >
> > > 8. Import Flash animations into After Effects?
> Holy shit! That would be
> > > great.
> >
> > not sure if you are being sarcastic (?) but if
> not, you can do this already btw
> > - unless you mean maintaining interactivity which
> would be cool.
> >
> > jess.
> > +
> > -> post: list@rhizome.org
> > -> questions: info@rhizome.org
> > -> subscribe/unsubscribe:
> http://rhizome.org/preferences/subscribe.rhiz
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> >
>
> --
> Pall Thayer
> artist/teacher
> http://www.this.is/pallit
> http://130.208.220.190/
> http://130.208.220.190/nuharm
> http://130.208.220.190/panse
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Re: [webartery] Re: Speech to text poetics project
thankz---my thawts xactly on this---got a twinge of
annoyance at this comment, but, having produced and
automated a lot of cut and paste surrealism (which,
honestly, owes less to surrealist games than to a more
materialist view of language), understand the
impatience many feel when confronted with texts that
do not immediately resolve to nineteenth century
paradigms --
~~
jason--excellent project in "translation" (and niice
page design, btw)--would love to see a software
version of this, a speech to text engine that was
written to misinterpret---nice exercise in the gray
area of authorial control--
--- mIEKAL aND <dtv@mwt.net> wrote:
>
> I wonder if "cut and paste Surrealism" is at fault
> here or if it is
> just a case of non-interesting non-engaged writing.
> I tire of
> narrative structures & representational imagery that
> has been repeated
> for 1000s of years ad nauseum, but occasionally I
> see someone bringing
> a fresh perspective to the mix.
>
> Also, for me, if a text or a project doesn't make me
> "work" to pull
> together associations, juxtapositions, threads etc,
> it strikes me as
> passive consumerism, having each bite of content in
> manageable & easily
> swallowable capsules.
>
> ~mIEKAL
>
>
> On Apr 15, 2005, at 2:02 PM, edwardpicot wrote:
> > I quite easily tire of cut-and-paste surrealism,
> where you
> > find yourself kind of jumping from word to word
> and phrase to phrase
> > trying to make pseudo-sense of the bizarre
> juxtapositions - a form
> > of mental gymnastics - and in the end you feel
> rather exhausted and
> > frustrated, with a sense that it's you that's
> doing all the hard
> > work and the writer has copped out. A little of it
> can be very
> > refreshing, a lot of it very jading.
>
>
>
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annoyance at this comment, but, having produced and
automated a lot of cut and paste surrealism (which,
honestly, owes less to surrealist games than to a more
materialist view of language), understand the
impatience many feel when confronted with texts that
do not immediately resolve to nineteenth century
paradigms --
~~
jason--excellent project in "translation" (and niice
page design, btw)--would love to see a software
version of this, a speech to text engine that was
written to misinterpret---nice exercise in the gray
area of authorial control--
--- mIEKAL aND <dtv@mwt.net> wrote:
>
> I wonder if "cut and paste Surrealism" is at fault
> here or if it is
> just a case of non-interesting non-engaged writing.
> I tire of
> narrative structures & representational imagery that
> has been repeated
> for 1000s of years ad nauseum, but occasionally I
> see someone bringing
> a fresh perspective to the mix.
>
> Also, for me, if a text or a project doesn't make me
> "work" to pull
> together associations, juxtapositions, threads etc,
> it strikes me as
> passive consumerism, having each bite of content in
> manageable & easily
> swallowable capsules.
>
> ~mIEKAL
>
>
> On Apr 15, 2005, at 2:02 PM, edwardpicot wrote:
> > I quite easily tire of cut-and-paste surrealism,
> where you
> > find yourself kind of jumping from word to word
> and phrase to phrase
> > trying to make pseudo-sense of the bizarre
> juxtapositions - a form
> > of mental gymnastics - and in the end you feel
> rather exhausted and
> > frustrated, with a sense that it's you that's
> doing all the hard
> > work and the writer has copped out. A little of it
> can be very
> > refreshing, a lot of it very jading.
>
>
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