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Re: Re: Re: Quotation (was: why so little discussion?)


--- Curt Cloninger <curt@lab404.com> wrote:
Not anybody can write a congent 10
> page academic essay,
> but anybody who can speak at all can write poetry.

actually, curt, i think this is more likely the other
way around....

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> Hi David,
>
> The idea really is Paul Miller's. I just distilled
> the sound-byte,
> but he's conscious that he's doing this. cf:
>
http://rhizome.org/thread.rhiz?thread455&text$021
> scroll down to "I am the DJ, I am what I splay."
>
> Regarding the repetition critique, I mostly concur
> and I think
> Francis hit the nail on the head when he said
> something like, "now
> that any 14 year-old can mix, the challenge becomes
> to distinguish
> yourself by mixing especially well" [i'm
> paraphrasing]. In this
> sense, mixing is like poetry in that the entry-level
> bar is set
> pretty low. Not anybody can write a congent 10
> page academic essay,
> but anybody who can speak at all can write poetry.
> The challenge
> then, is to write an especially good poem.
>
> In the same way, it's easier to put together a mix
> tape than it is to
> play three bar chords on the guitar (but not that
> much easier). From
> the Troggs to the Sex Pistols, kids have proved that
> rock and roll is
> not really that difficult. And then there are the
> Shaggs, who prove
> that some human beings are actually from Mars:
>
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B00000I0QQ/
>
> peace,
> curt
>
> _
>
> At 11:16 PM -0800 11/24/04, David Goldschmidt wrote:
> >i love this quote ... it's my new favorite.
> "appropriation as
> >talisman against personal assimilation"
> >
> >In my opinion, remixers can create new and original
> aesthetics (just
> >like other artists) but there may be an inherent
> distaste for
> >mashed-art because the process (of remixing)
> reveals, in a patently
> >obvious way, just how repetitive humans are -- dare
> i say
> >replicant/borg.
> >
> >thanks for the great quote curt
> >
> >best,
> >
> >david goldschmidt
> >www.mediatrips.com
> >
> >
> >
> >curt cloninger wrote:
> >
> >>I am always looking for this kind of maturation --
> the
> >>self-reflexive, self-conscious, uber-media-aware
> gradually being
> >>replaced by simply interesting art about
> existence. A good example
> >>to me is DJ Spooky's music vs. DJ Spooky's theory.
> The music is so
> >>rich and fascinating and autobiographical and
> essential. It's an
> >>urban lifestyle strategy/celebration --
> appropriation as talisman
> >>against personal assimilation (an intuitive
> solution to Bunting's
> >>proposed dilema -- "own, be owned, or remain
> invisible"). But DJ
> >>Spooky's theoretical prose is like watching the
> paint dry. The
> >>fact that he is able to map mix culture backwards
> to 20th Century
> >>French philosophy is interesting I guess, and it
> may evangelize
> >>some Lev Manovich types to frequent the occasional
> late night
> >>electronica fest, but it's almost like reading a
> novelization of a
> >>film. I'd rather just listen to the mix.
> >>
> >>Marisa asks, " Does the medium make any difference
> [vis
> >>appropriation]"? In terms of ease of artistic
> production,
> >>definitely -- digital media + global networks =
> ease of remix.
> >>
> >>Pre-net/google, I doubt I would have ever explored
> something like this:
>
>>http://computerfinearts.com/collection/cloninger/bubblegum/picture/
> >>
> >>But, like Michael, I'm not entirely convinced that
> "remixity"
> >>["quotations intended"] is uniquely intrinsic or
> inherent to the
> >>underlying ethos of all digital art (although
> maybe it is, and
> >>there are sure plenty of people trumpeting the
> fact that it
> >>definitely is). Maybe remixity is just the most
> immediately
> >>obvious thing to do with digital media, and so we
> see a lot of it
> >>simply because the novelty hasn't worn off yet.
> One way or the
> >>other, it's safe to assert that digital art makes
> remixity and
> >>appropriation feasibly/logistically easier from a
> production
> >>standpoint.
> >>
> >>_
> >>
> >>michael wrote:
> >>
> >>I'm always faintly taken aback when I read
> assertions like this.
> >><It seems that 'quotation' lies at the heart of
> "postmodern"
> >>cultural production... That is, simulations,
> appropriations, and
> >>self-referential "deconstruction" have been cited
> as both
> >>harbingers and cornerstones of artistic "work">
> All these
> >>characteristics can be found in most periods of
> art, in music (
> >>variations on a theme of...), visual art ( such
> and such *after*
> >>such and such) and literature ( pretty much the
> whole of
> >>Shakespeare). Its perhaps a question of degree, of
> the ( sometimes
> >>deeply desperate) self consciousness of deployment
> which marked the
> >>something new in post modernism. What interests me
> is the feeling (
> >>and I referred to this specifically in an earlier
> post in this
> >>thread on MTAAs wonderful 'five small videos' )
> that this self
> >>consciousness is disappearing, that we're perhaps
> returning to an
> >>earlier kind of practice where quotation (and the
> cloud of concepts
> >>related to it) is merely one scarcely remarked
> weapon in the
> >>artist's arsenal, to be wielded relatively
> unselfconsciously. I
> >>mean I've not done a *scientific survey* or
> anything - but it's a
> >>feeling that we're moving into a period of
> *consolidation* of
> >>artistic language, of an *application* of lots of
> the formal
> >>shenanigans of the last half century of so to
> something that is
> >>concerned more with a profound combination of the
> intellectual and
> >>the affective & which is also aware of its place
> in an ongoing
> >>tradition ( and this does not of course imply
> massive surface
> >>complexity -what 'five small videos' has in common
> with a Schubert
> >>Lied is the appearance of *necessity* -"yes that's
> the only way it
> >>could be!" - and hence simplicity, but a
> simplicity which isn't
> >>exhausted the first or the second time round but
> continues to
> >>reveal new layers, new meanings on repeated
> engagement) The recent
> >>work of MTAA is inceasingly beginning to feel to
> me like an
> >>exemplar of this tendency ( another significant
> one being for me
> >>the work of Alan Sondheim which if people don't
> know they
> >>absolutely *should* http://www.asondheim.org/ ).
> The thrust (and
> >>also the appeal) of the two video pieces seems to
> me not primarily
> >>formal, conceptual or didactic in some way, but
> affective, rich and
> >>open ended; aware of its place in tradition and
> paying due homage
> >>to it but not simply smart commentary on it. +
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Re: Re: Re: Quotation (was: why so little discussion?)


when you play a musical instrument, all you're doing
is remixing sounds that exist as potential in the
instrument in ways you find pleasing---when you write
a poem, all you're doing is remixing the english
language until you find your text interesting-->

ALL ART IS REMIXING---ALL CULTURE IS REMIXING----

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--- Francis Hwang <francis@rhizome.org> wrote:

>
> On Nov 22, 2004, at 11:40 AM, curt cloninger wrote:
> > But, like Michael, I'm not entirely convinced that
> "remixity"
> > ["quotations intended"] is uniquely intrinsic or
> inherent to the
> > underlying ethos of all digital art (although
> maybe it is, and there
> > are sure plenty of people trumpeting the fact that
> it definitely is).
> > Maybe remixity is just the most immediately
> obvious thing to do with
> > digital media, and so we see a lot of it simply
> because the novelty
> > hasn't worn off yet. One way or the other, it's
> safe to assert that
> > digital art makes remixity and appropriation
> feasibly/logistically
> > easier from a production standpoint.
>
> I'd say that remixity isn't the raison d'etre of
> digital art, though
> digital tools certainly favor remixity
> disproportionately over other
> modes of production. Remixity is interesting for
> plenty of reasons on
> its own; one of the big ones is that, outside of the
> whole whomping
> intellectual property debate, it rejiggers the
> proportional role of the
> artist in society. For one thing, it takes a long
> time to get down the
> craftsmanship of original image- or object-crafting,
> whether that's
> sculpting marble or using oil paint or whatever.
> It's a lot quicker
> just to buy a bunch of LPs and learn to spin. Not to
> say that DJing
> isn't a skill--but that you're leveraging the
> creativity of others in a
> way that requires, on one hand, less effort from
> you, but on the other
> hand, more effort if you want to stand out the way
> Pollock or Picasso
> did.
>
> (As a sidenote, I am pretty annoyed with how "DJ" in
> club culture has
> devolved into "somebody who knows how to play
> records" from "somebody
> who knows how to spin records". I suppose that's
> just my old club
> snobbery popping up again.)
>
> If we accept remixing as a creative mode that's as
> worthy of study as
> painting or sculpture or video or performance, then
> the tent of fine
> arts suddenly becomes a lot bigger, because people
> out in the world are
> remixing all the time without writing an artist's
> statement.
> 16-year-old kids making mashups on their Macs at
> home. PC casemods.
> Quilts. We probably don't have room in all our
> museums to show all that
> stuff, too.
>
> Francis Hwang
> Director of Technology
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Texas Officials Wary of Plan to Hunt by Internet


telematics at its worst---> this is not what this tech
should be for--->

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Texas Officials Wary of Plan to Hunt by Internet

Wed Nov 17, 8:45 AM ET

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By Jeff Franks

HOUSTON (Reuters) - Hunters soon may be able to sit at
their computers and blast away at animals on a Texas
ranch via the Internet, a prospect that has state
wildlife officials up in arms.

A controversial Web site, http://www.live-shot.com,
already offers target practice with a .22 caliber
rifle and could soon let hunters shoot at deer,
antelope and wild pigs, site creator John Underwood
said on Tuesday.

Texas officials are not quite sure what to make of
Underwood's Web site, but may tweak existing laws to
make sure Internet hunting does not get out of hand.

"This is the first one I've seen," said Texas Parks
and Wildlife Department wildlife director Mike Berger.
"The current state statutes don't cover this sort of
thing."

Underwood, an estimator for a San Antonio, Texas auto
body shop, has invested $10,000 to build a platform
for a rifle and camera that can be remotely aimed on
his 330-acre (133-hectare) southwest Texas ranch by
anyone on the Internet anywhere in the world.

The idea came last year while viewing another Web site
on which cameras posted in the wild are used to snap
photos of animals.

"We were looking at a beautiful white-tail buck and my
friend said 'If you just had a gun for that.' A little
light bulb went off in my head," he said.

Internet hunting could be popular with disabled
hunters unable to get out in the woods or distant
hunters who cannot afford a trip to Texas, Underwood
said.

Berger said state law only covers "regulated animals"
such as native deer and birds and cannot prevent
Underwood from offering Internet hunts of
"unregulated" animals such as non-native deer that
many ranchers have imported and wild pigs.

He has proposed a rule that will come up for public
discussion in January that anyone hunting animals
covered by state law must be physically on site when
they shoot.

Berger expressed reservations about remote control
hunting, but noted that humans have always adopted new
technologies to hunt.

"First it was rocks and clubs, then we sharpened it
and put it on a stick. Then there was the bow and
arrow, black powder, smokeless power and optics,"
Berger said. "Maybe this is the next technological
step out there."

Underwood, 39, said he will offer animal hunting as
soon as he gets a fast Internet connection to his
remote ranch that will enable hunters to aim the rifle
quickly at passing animals.

He said an attendant would retrieve shot animals for
the shooters, who could have the heads preserved by a
taxidermist. They could also have the meat processed
and shipped home, or donated to animal orphanages.

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