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The McElroys are a husband and wife collaborative artist, technology, and business team who bring significant artistic, technology and community development skills to Corporate Performance Artists. Joseph, is a graduate of Computer Science from Duke University and a former team leader at IBM. He has been a CEO of several companies, and has been responsible for raising $2 million to fund a startup company called EveryDayPrint.com, which while part of the dot-com boom and bust, he managed to bring to profitability and which still survives to this day.
Donna was an operations manager and PR specialist in the firms they have started together. She has recently been credited by several business leaders in the Bronx as being "top spokesperson for the Bronx." She is active in many community development projects, such as participating on the Board of the Bruckner Arts and Antique District, and working to promote many Bronx activities through an online newsletter called Cupcake Kaleidoscope.
Joseph was the leader of the Open Source Sig for the New York Software Industry Association. And was track co-chair for Open Source at the 2001 New York Software Industry Summit. He was on the advisory board for PostgreSql, Inc - the leading Open Source Database and has had articles published by Lutris Technologies and Open Magazine on Open Source business models and technology solutions. He is a database expert with extensive Fortune 500 experience. Among other awards, he won an IBM Division Award for Technical Excellence.
From magazine "Open" issue September 2001 - "The McElroys kick open the doors of old business models and capitalize on what they believe." The McElroys have achieved re-known as Open Source visionaries with interviews by Interactive Week, Infoworld, Fortune Technology, Open magazine, and others. Joseph and Donna make no claims of divine insight, but in review by Lewis Lacock, it is said, "that this dynamic duo of art are the closest things we have to true shamans today". They are doing their best to pursue the knowledge to support such claims someday.
HIGHLIGHTS
* Achieved reputation as Open Source visionarys with interviews by Interactive Week, Infoworld, Fortune Technology, Open magazine among others.
* National Columnist on Money Matters for Gather.com.
* Judge for the Advanced Technical Categories of the Emmys.
* Successfully raised $2 million funding for startup.
* Successfully built and sold two technology businesses.
* First Entry into the Multimedia wing of the Museum of Computer Art.
* Artwork collected by the Library at Cornell University.
* Artwork in the collection of Rhizome.org.
* Developed first ever Exhibition Catalog completely on CD Rom. Done for Alternative Museum. Reviewed by New York Times.
* Selected to attend first ever Summer Institute for Performance Art at The Kitchen in NYC.
* IBM Division Award for Technical Excellence.
* Various academic, mathematic and scholarship awards. Attended Duke University on a full scholarship in mathematics.
* Poetry published in various journals. Art exhibited in museum shows.
* Certificate of Artistic Excellence from Congressman Jose Serrano.
* Recognized by Bronx Borough President Aldofo Carrion for contributions to the community.
Donna was an operations manager and PR specialist in the firms they have started together. She has recently been credited by several business leaders in the Bronx as being "top spokesperson for the Bronx." She is active in many community development projects, such as participating on the Board of the Bruckner Arts and Antique District, and working to promote many Bronx activities through an online newsletter called Cupcake Kaleidoscope.
Joseph was the leader of the Open Source Sig for the New York Software Industry Association. And was track co-chair for Open Source at the 2001 New York Software Industry Summit. He was on the advisory board for PostgreSql, Inc - the leading Open Source Database and has had articles published by Lutris Technologies and Open Magazine on Open Source business models and technology solutions. He is a database expert with extensive Fortune 500 experience. Among other awards, he won an IBM Division Award for Technical Excellence.
From magazine "Open" issue September 2001 - "The McElroys kick open the doors of old business models and capitalize on what they believe." The McElroys have achieved re-known as Open Source visionaries with interviews by Interactive Week, Infoworld, Fortune Technology, Open magazine, and others. Joseph and Donna make no claims of divine insight, but in review by Lewis Lacock, it is said, "that this dynamic duo of art are the closest things we have to true shamans today". They are doing their best to pursue the knowledge to support such claims someday.
HIGHLIGHTS
* Achieved reputation as Open Source visionarys with interviews by Interactive Week, Infoworld, Fortune Technology, Open magazine among others.
* National Columnist on Money Matters for Gather.com.
* Judge for the Advanced Technical Categories of the Emmys.
* Successfully raised $2 million funding for startup.
* Successfully built and sold two technology businesses.
* First Entry into the Multimedia wing of the Museum of Computer Art.
* Artwork collected by the Library at Cornell University.
* Artwork in the collection of Rhizome.org.
* Developed first ever Exhibition Catalog completely on CD Rom. Done for Alternative Museum. Reviewed by New York Times.
* Selected to attend first ever Summer Institute for Performance Art at The Kitchen in NYC.
* IBM Division Award for Technical Excellence.
* Various academic, mathematic and scholarship awards. Attended Duke University on a full scholarship in mathematics.
* Poetry published in various journals. Art exhibited in museum shows.
* Certificate of Artistic Excellence from Congressman Jose Serrano.
* Recognized by Bronx Borough President Aldofo Carrion for contributions to the community.
Re: RE: Re: Charity CD Project
> Yes it is. Do you have what it takes to be a SuperUser?
do we?
joseph (cor e form art) + (porat per ance ist)
frank + lyn - mc + El + roy
go shopping -> http://www.electrichands.com/shopindex.htm
call me 646 279 2309
Quoting "-IID42 Kandinskij @27+" <death@zaphod.terminal.org>:
> On Wed, 6 Nov 2002, joseph (yes) wrote:
>
> > Is Rhizome a vanity project for a select few
>
> Yes it is. Do you have what it takes to be a SuperUser?
>
> `, . ` `k a r e i' ? ' D42
do we?
joseph (cor e form art) + (porat per ance ist)
frank + lyn - mc + El + roy
go shopping -> http://www.electrichands.com/shopindex.htm
call me 646 279 2309
Quoting "-IID42 Kandinskij @27+" <death@zaphod.terminal.org>:
> On Wed, 6 Nov 2002, joseph (yes) wrote:
>
> > Is Rhizome a vanity project for a select few
>
> Yes it is. Do you have what it takes to be a SuperUser?
>
> `, . ` `k a r e i' ? ' D42
Re: Re: Charity CD Project
The thing I don't understand is this... in 1995 Frank Palaia curated an
exhibition for the Alternative Museum called the Luminous Image. I worked with
the images for the show and created the first musuem catalog entirely on CD
Rom. Both Frank and the Alternative Museum sold the catalogs to make money.
They also were sold by the Guggenheim and other venues. The Alternative Museum
is a 501C3 organization.
The Alternative Museum had almost no input into the process nor expended any
resources. They only reviewed the final product prior to production.
So this is essentially a similar process to what we are discussing. Why does
it cause problems for Rhizome?
joseph (cor e form art) + (porat per ance ist)
frank + lyn - mc + El + roy
go shopping -> http://www.electrichands.com/shopindex.htm
call me 646 279 2309
Quoting "t.whid" <twhid@mteww.com>:
> i think that mark was saying that rhizome couldn't give any resources
> to the project or sell it directly.
>
> to mark:
> could the project use rhizome's logo and state that all proceeds will
> go to rhizome?
>
> >> so Jess would you be up for being on t'committee?
> >Michael,
> >I happy to but I still can't seem to get a handle on what you guys are
> >proposing....
> >MT's email confused me too are rhizome up for this or not?
> > If you want to do the collaborative file/share idea I have a domain
> >doing bugger all (nowhere.tv) that I would be happy to 'donate'. I can
> >give the ftp details out to anyone who fancies...
> >jess. o
> >/^ rssgallery.com
> > ][
> >
> >
> >
> >+ be me
> >-> post: list@rhizome.org
> >-> questions: info@rhizome.org
> >-> subscribe/unsubscribe: http://rhizome.org/preferences/subscribe.rhiz
> >-> give: http://rhizome.org/support
> >+
> >Subscribers to Rhizome are subject to the terms set out in the
> >Membership Agreement available online at http://rhizome.org/info/29.php
>
> --
> <twhid>
> http://www.mteww.com
> </twhid>
> + be me
> -> post: list@rhizome.org
> -> questions: info@rhizome.org
> -> subscribe/unsubscribe: http://rhizome.org/preferences/subscribe.rhiz
> -> give: http://rhizome.org/support
> +
> Subscribers to Rhizome are subject to the terms set out in the
> Membership Agreement available online at http://rhizome.org/info/29.php
exhibition for the Alternative Museum called the Luminous Image. I worked with
the images for the show and created the first musuem catalog entirely on CD
Rom. Both Frank and the Alternative Museum sold the catalogs to make money.
They also were sold by the Guggenheim and other venues. The Alternative Museum
is a 501C3 organization.
The Alternative Museum had almost no input into the process nor expended any
resources. They only reviewed the final product prior to production.
So this is essentially a similar process to what we are discussing. Why does
it cause problems for Rhizome?
joseph (cor e form art) + (porat per ance ist)
frank + lyn - mc + El + roy
go shopping -> http://www.electrichands.com/shopindex.htm
call me 646 279 2309
Quoting "t.whid" <twhid@mteww.com>:
> i think that mark was saying that rhizome couldn't give any resources
> to the project or sell it directly.
>
> to mark:
> could the project use rhizome's logo and state that all proceeds will
> go to rhizome?
>
> >> so Jess would you be up for being on t'committee?
> >Michael,
> >I happy to but I still can't seem to get a handle on what you guys are
> >proposing....
> >MT's email confused me too are rhizome up for this or not?
> > If you want to do the collaborative file/share idea I have a domain
> >doing bugger all (nowhere.tv) that I would be happy to 'donate'. I can
> >give the ftp details out to anyone who fancies...
> >jess. o
> >/^ rssgallery.com
> > ][
> >
> >
> >
> >+ be me
> >-> post: list@rhizome.org
> >-> questions: info@rhizome.org
> >-> subscribe/unsubscribe: http://rhizome.org/preferences/subscribe.rhiz
> >-> give: http://rhizome.org/support
> >+
> >Subscribers to Rhizome are subject to the terms set out in the
> >Membership Agreement available online at http://rhizome.org/info/29.php
>
> --
> <twhid>
> http://www.mteww.com
> </twhid>
> + be me
> -> post: list@rhizome.org
> -> questions: info@rhizome.org
> -> subscribe/unsubscribe: http://rhizome.org/preferences/subscribe.rhiz
> -> give: http://rhizome.org/support
> +
> Subscribers to Rhizome are subject to the terms set out in the
> Membership Agreement available online at http://rhizome.org/info/29.php
RE: Re: Charity CD Project
I think Max voted himself out for now, so since we started it, we should finish
it. Mike, Lee, and Joseph choose submissions - round robin until the CD is
full. (we get one each for ourselves, right :)
joseph (cor e form art) + (porat per ance ist)
frank + lyn - mc + El + roy
go shopping -> http://www.electrichands.com/shopindex.htm
call me 646 279 2309
Quoting leewells@bb19.net:
> I agree.
> One thing we do need to consider is file size limits.
> If we are going to use a cd that doesn't leave us that much
> room, I guess we could upgrade to dvd.
>
> Once the official call of artists is relieced. Who will manage the
> submissions? What would be the best way of organizing the content? I was
> thinking all submitted content should be housed on individual urls provided
> by the artists. Then we would only have to arrange and organize the links.
> One submission per artist or group of artists.
>
> Anyways...I'm at work and have to go.
> Let keep it rolling.
>
> Mark, do you have any thoughts on this. Ways of making this run smoothly.
>
> Cheers
> Lee
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "joseph (yes)" <joseph@electrichands.com>
> >To: Michael Szpakowski <szpako@yahoo.com>
> >Sent: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 15:04:39
> >
> >I think a call for participation would be the first
> >step.We need to identify
> >the type of input/output activities required - such
> >that we can define
> >interfaces to make the transfers possible. I have
> >a hunch that the order of
> >the CD will start defining itself based upon data
> >needs.
> >
> >An alternative to consuming data from another peice
> >is to have multiple pieces
> >consume identical, interactive user input and
> >perform at the same time.
> >
> >
> >joseph (cor e form art) + (porat per ance ist)
> >frank + lyn - mc + El + roy
> >
> >go shopping ->
> >http://www.electrichands.com/shopindex.htm
> >call me 646 279 2309
> >
> >
> >
> >Quoting Michael Szpakowski <szpako@yahoo.com>:
> >
> >>
> >>
> >> <How about each peice use as input, output from
> >> another piece on the CD? >
> >> I think this is a great idea -we are talking
> >artowrks
> >> rather that audio CD here right?
> >> Why not an immediate call for participants on the
> >
> >> list.
> >> (maybe with specific mails to people it would be
> >good
> >> to target)
> >> Then someone ( lee, joseph?) decides an order of
> >play.
> >> It's made clear that these things need to be made
> >to a
> >> shortish deadline
> >> The first work is created and mailed or a link is
> >sent
> >> to the next artist, and so on.
> >> The disadvantage here is that even if each
> >artists
> >> make a piece in a week we're still talking 20
> >weeks
> >> so....
> >> ...to make it quicker I suggest the original work
> >is
> >> mailed to two artists and so on - or even maybe
> >the
> >> 'order of play' could be Rhizome like.
> >> The thing i really like about this format is that
> >it
> >> feels very collective- it would also be great to
> >have
> >> artists who have engaged in fairly fierce polemic
> >on
> >> the list united in common cause -how about
> >Grancher
> >> remixes Cloninger or vice versa &c.( maybe this
> >is a
> >> bit unlikely but you get the point!)
> >> anyway thats my two penny worth.
> >> best
> >> michael
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > joseph (cor e form art) + (porat per ance ist)
> >> > frank + lyn - mc + El + roy
> >> >
> >> > go shopping ->
> >> > http://www.electrichands.com/shopindex.htm
> >> > call me 646 279 2309
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Quoting Lee Wells <leewells@bb19.net>:
> >> >
> >> > > Hello all
> >> > >
> >> > > Should we decide upon a theme?
> >> > > What are the primary social topics discussed
> >on
> >> > Rhizome?
> >> > > First thing to come to mind for me was,
> >kNOwwWARe.
> >> > > All just a play on words, sounds, images.
> >> > > I think it should make people laugh. People
> >need
> >> > to laugh more.
> >> > > How can we make this more of a collaboration
> >that
> >> > a group of individuals
> >> > > from Rhizome making a compilation CD?
> >> > >
> >> > > Help me out here
> >> > > Cheers
> >> > > Lee
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > on 11/4/02 1:57 PM, Max Herman at
> >> > maxnmherman@hotmail.com wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > > This is going to have to wait for me till
> >Jan
> >> > 03. I'll be off neternet
> >> > > > stuff till then.
> >> > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > >> From: joseph@electrichands.com
> >> > > >> To: Lee Wells <leewells@bb19.net>
> >> > > >> CC: Max Herman <maxnmherman@hotmail.com>,
> >> > mt@rhizome.org,list@rhizome.org
> >> > > >> Subject: Re: RHIZOME_RAW: Membership fee?
> >> > > >> Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2002 02:52:32 +0000
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >> Ok lets get it organized.
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >> Max, you curate the CD show.
> >> > > >> Lee, you promote the show
> >> > > >> I will get the first 100 CDs mastered and
> >> > printed.
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >> We sell it for $50 bucks a peice.
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >> I cover my costs and Rhizome should net
> >around
> >> > $4500
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >> Ready 2 go?
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >> joseph
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >> Quoting Lee Wells <leewells@bb19.net>:
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >>> I donate art to Rhizome, music, images,
> >etc.
> >> > The CD Idea is preaty good
> >> > > >> and
> >> > > >>> has worked for other nonprofit org like,
> >> > Lumpen Magazine in Chicago.
> >> > > >>> http://www.lumpen.com/
> >> > > >>>
> >> > > >>> on 10/25/02 2:12 AM, Max Herman at
> >> > maxnmherman@hotmail.com wrote:
> >> > > >>>
> >> > > >>>>
> >> > > >>>>
> >> > > >>>>
> >> > > >>>> Yeah, I was thinking a big fatty music
> >CD,
> >> > all proceeds to Rhizome,
> >> > > >> I'd
> >> > > >>>> donate a song'r two.
> >> > > >>>>
> >> > > >>>>
> >> > > >>>>
> >> > > >>>>> From: joseph@electrichands.com
> >> > > >>>>> Reply-To: joseph@electrichands.com
> >> > > >>>>> To: Mark Tribe <mt@rhizome.org>
> >> > > >>>>> CC: list@rhizome.org
> >> > > >>>>> Subject: Re: RHIZOME_RAW: Membership
> >fee?
> >> > > >>>>> Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 05:45:52 +0000
> >> > > >>>>>
> >> > > >>>>> Its time to talk about industry
> >mergers.
> >> > Forget the membership fees,
> >> > > >> very
> >> > > >>>>> few
> >> > > >>>>> will pay.If you are about to fold,
> >either
> >> > fold, or start a capital
> >> > > >>>>> campaign
> >> > > >>>>> to raise 7 figures. Fold or Bold.
> >> > > >>>>>
> >> > > >>>>> joseph
> >> > > >>>>>
> >> > > >>>>>
> >> > > >>>>> Quoting Mark Tribe <mt@rhizome.org>:
> >> > > >>>>>
> >> > > >>>>>> Hi Rhizomers:
> >> > > >>>>>>
> >> > > >>>>>> I am hoping to start a discussion here
> >on
> >> > Raw about Rhizome's
> >> > > >> financial
> >> > > >>>>>> situation and a possible solution.
> >This
> >> > email is rather long, but
> >> > > >> I'd
> >> > > >>>>>> appreciate it if you'd take the time
> >to
> >> > read it through, give it
> >> > > >> some
> >> > > >>>>>> thought, and let me know what you
> >think.
> >> > > >>>>>>
> >> > > >>>>>> First, some background information. It
> >will
> >> > cost about $400,000 to
> >> > > >>>>> operate
> >> > > >>>>>> Rhizome.org this year. Here's how we
> >spend
> >> > it: $6,000 on
> >> > > >> administrative
> >> > > >>>>>> fees (mostly processing credit card
> >gifts);
> >> > $122,000 on operating
> >> > > >>>>> expenses
> >> > > >>>>>> (phone, rent, web hosting, office
> >supplies,
> >> > etc.); $177,000 on
> >> > > >> payroll
> >> > > >>>>>> costs (salaries, health insurance,
> >payroll
> >> > taxes, etc.); $93,000 on
> >> > > >>>>>> professional fees (writers,
> >commissions,
> >> > consultants, etc.). These
> >> > > >>>>> numbers
> >> > > >>>>>> may seem high to some of you, but we
> >> > actually run a very lean,
> >> > > >> efficient
> >> > > >>>>>> operation. It simply costs a lot of
> >money
> >> > to run a nonprofit
> >> > > >>>>> organization
> >> > > >>>>>> that offers as many programs to as
> >many
> >> > people as we do.
> >> > > >>>>>>
> >> > > >>>>>> In the past, most of our revenue has
> >come
> >> > from foundations, but
> >> > > >>>>> foundation
> >> > > >>>>>> support is shrinking. We had hoped to
> >make
> >> > up the difference through
> >> > > >>>>> earned
> >> > > >>>>>> income from web hosting and online
> >> > education, but those services are
> >> > > >>>>>> getting off to a slow start. We have
> >also,
> >> > as you surely know, tried
> >> > > >>>>> asking
> >> > > >>>>>> for voluntary contributions. But so
> >far
> >> > this year only about 1% of
> >> > > >> our
> >> > > >>>>>> 19,000 members have made gifts.
> >> > > >>>>>>
> >> > > >>>>>> The Rhizome Board of Directors met for
> >its
> >> > quarterly meeting last
> >> > > >>>>> Friday.
> >> > > >>>>>> The main topic was how to solve our
> >> > financial problems. I proposed
> >> > > >>>>> putting
> >> > > >>>>>> the organization into hibernation
> >mode.
> >> > This would entail shutting
> >> > > >> down
> >> > > >>>>> the
> >> > > >>>>>> office, laying off the staff and
> >> > discontinuing most of our programs.
> >> > > >> We
> >> > > >>>>>> would keep the web site up, ask the
> >> > SuperUsers to continue to
> >> > > >> publish
> >> > > >>>>>> texts, and keep Raw online. But
> >everything
> >> > else would stop: no more
> >> > > >>>>> Digest
> >> > > >>>>>> or Net Art News, no more commissions,
> >no
> >> > more events. We'd stop
> >> > > >> adding
> >> > > >>>>> new
> >> > > >>>>>> projects to the ArtBase, stop
> >improving the
> >> > web site (we have a long
> >> > > >>>>> list
> >> > > >>>>>> of bugs to fix and features to add)
> >and
> >> > stop planning new programs.
> >> > > >>>>>>
> >> > > >>>>>> The Board felt that hibernation would
> >be a
> >> > big mistake. Once we went
> >> > > >>>>> into
> >> > > >>>>>> hibernation, they argued, it would be
> >very
> >> > hard to re-emerge and
> >> >
> >> === message truncated ===
> >>
> >>
> >> =====
> >> http://www.somedancersandmusicians.com/
> >>
> >>
> >__________________________________________________
> >> Do you Yahoo!?
> >> HotJobs - Search new jobs daily now
> >> http://hotjobs.yahoo.com/
it. Mike, Lee, and Joseph choose submissions - round robin until the CD is
full. (we get one each for ourselves, right :)
joseph (cor e form art) + (porat per ance ist)
frank + lyn - mc + El + roy
go shopping -> http://www.electrichands.com/shopindex.htm
call me 646 279 2309
Quoting leewells@bb19.net:
> I agree.
> One thing we do need to consider is file size limits.
> If we are going to use a cd that doesn't leave us that much
> room, I guess we could upgrade to dvd.
>
> Once the official call of artists is relieced. Who will manage the
> submissions? What would be the best way of organizing the content? I was
> thinking all submitted content should be housed on individual urls provided
> by the artists. Then we would only have to arrange and organize the links.
> One submission per artist or group of artists.
>
> Anyways...I'm at work and have to go.
> Let keep it rolling.
>
> Mark, do you have any thoughts on this. Ways of making this run smoothly.
>
> Cheers
> Lee
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "joseph (yes)" <joseph@electrichands.com>
> >To: Michael Szpakowski <szpako@yahoo.com>
> >Sent: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 15:04:39
> >
> >I think a call for participation would be the first
> >step.We need to identify
> >the type of input/output activities required - such
> >that we can define
> >interfaces to make the transfers possible. I have
> >a hunch that the order of
> >the CD will start defining itself based upon data
> >needs.
> >
> >An alternative to consuming data from another peice
> >is to have multiple pieces
> >consume identical, interactive user input and
> >perform at the same time.
> >
> >
> >joseph (cor e form art) + (porat per ance ist)
> >frank + lyn - mc + El + roy
> >
> >go shopping ->
> >http://www.electrichands.com/shopindex.htm
> >call me 646 279 2309
> >
> >
> >
> >Quoting Michael Szpakowski <szpako@yahoo.com>:
> >
> >>
> >>
> >> <How about each peice use as input, output from
> >> another piece on the CD? >
> >> I think this is a great idea -we are talking
> >artowrks
> >> rather that audio CD here right?
> >> Why not an immediate call for participants on the
> >
> >> list.
> >> (maybe with specific mails to people it would be
> >good
> >> to target)
> >> Then someone ( lee, joseph?) decides an order of
> >play.
> >> It's made clear that these things need to be made
> >to a
> >> shortish deadline
> >> The first work is created and mailed or a link is
> >sent
> >> to the next artist, and so on.
> >> The disadvantage here is that even if each
> >artists
> >> make a piece in a week we're still talking 20
> >weeks
> >> so....
> >> ...to make it quicker I suggest the original work
> >is
> >> mailed to two artists and so on - or even maybe
> >the
> >> 'order of play' could be Rhizome like.
> >> The thing i really like about this format is that
> >it
> >> feels very collective- it would also be great to
> >have
> >> artists who have engaged in fairly fierce polemic
> >on
> >> the list united in common cause -how about
> >Grancher
> >> remixes Cloninger or vice versa &c.( maybe this
> >is a
> >> bit unlikely but you get the point!)
> >> anyway thats my two penny worth.
> >> best
> >> michael
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > joseph (cor e form art) + (porat per ance ist)
> >> > frank + lyn - mc + El + roy
> >> >
> >> > go shopping ->
> >> > http://www.electrichands.com/shopindex.htm
> >> > call me 646 279 2309
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Quoting Lee Wells <leewells@bb19.net>:
> >> >
> >> > > Hello all
> >> > >
> >> > > Should we decide upon a theme?
> >> > > What are the primary social topics discussed
> >on
> >> > Rhizome?
> >> > > First thing to come to mind for me was,
> >kNOwwWARe.
> >> > > All just a play on words, sounds, images.
> >> > > I think it should make people laugh. People
> >need
> >> > to laugh more.
> >> > > How can we make this more of a collaboration
> >that
> >> > a group of individuals
> >> > > from Rhizome making a compilation CD?
> >> > >
> >> > > Help me out here
> >> > > Cheers
> >> > > Lee
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > on 11/4/02 1:57 PM, Max Herman at
> >> > maxnmherman@hotmail.com wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > > This is going to have to wait for me till
> >Jan
> >> > 03. I'll be off neternet
> >> > > > stuff till then.
> >> > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > >> From: joseph@electrichands.com
> >> > > >> To: Lee Wells <leewells@bb19.net>
> >> > > >> CC: Max Herman <maxnmherman@hotmail.com>,
> >> > mt@rhizome.org,list@rhizome.org
> >> > > >> Subject: Re: RHIZOME_RAW: Membership fee?
> >> > > >> Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2002 02:52:32 +0000
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >> Ok lets get it organized.
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >> Max, you curate the CD show.
> >> > > >> Lee, you promote the show
> >> > > >> I will get the first 100 CDs mastered and
> >> > printed.
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >> We sell it for $50 bucks a peice.
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >> I cover my costs and Rhizome should net
> >around
> >> > $4500
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >> Ready 2 go?
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >> joseph
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >> Quoting Lee Wells <leewells@bb19.net>:
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >>> I donate art to Rhizome, music, images,
> >etc.
> >> > The CD Idea is preaty good
> >> > > >> and
> >> > > >>> has worked for other nonprofit org like,
> >> > Lumpen Magazine in Chicago.
> >> > > >>> http://www.lumpen.com/
> >> > > >>>
> >> > > >>> on 10/25/02 2:12 AM, Max Herman at
> >> > maxnmherman@hotmail.com wrote:
> >> > > >>>
> >> > > >>>>
> >> > > >>>>
> >> > > >>>>
> >> > > >>>> Yeah, I was thinking a big fatty music
> >CD,
> >> > all proceeds to Rhizome,
> >> > > >> I'd
> >> > > >>>> donate a song'r two.
> >> > > >>>>
> >> > > >>>>
> >> > > >>>>
> >> > > >>>>> From: joseph@electrichands.com
> >> > > >>>>> Reply-To: joseph@electrichands.com
> >> > > >>>>> To: Mark Tribe <mt@rhizome.org>
> >> > > >>>>> CC: list@rhizome.org
> >> > > >>>>> Subject: Re: RHIZOME_RAW: Membership
> >fee?
> >> > > >>>>> Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 05:45:52 +0000
> >> > > >>>>>
> >> > > >>>>> Its time to talk about industry
> >mergers.
> >> > Forget the membership fees,
> >> > > >> very
> >> > > >>>>> few
> >> > > >>>>> will pay.If you are about to fold,
> >either
> >> > fold, or start a capital
> >> > > >>>>> campaign
> >> > > >>>>> to raise 7 figures. Fold or Bold.
> >> > > >>>>>
> >> > > >>>>> joseph
> >> > > >>>>>
> >> > > >>>>>
> >> > > >>>>> Quoting Mark Tribe <mt@rhizome.org>:
> >> > > >>>>>
> >> > > >>>>>> Hi Rhizomers:
> >> > > >>>>>>
> >> > > >>>>>> I am hoping to start a discussion here
> >on
> >> > Raw about Rhizome's
> >> > > >> financial
> >> > > >>>>>> situation and a possible solution.
> >This
> >> > email is rather long, but
> >> > > >> I'd
> >> > > >>>>>> appreciate it if you'd take the time
> >to
> >> > read it through, give it
> >> > > >> some
> >> > > >>>>>> thought, and let me know what you
> >think.
> >> > > >>>>>>
> >> > > >>>>>> First, some background information. It
> >will
> >> > cost about $400,000 to
> >> > > >>>>> operate
> >> > > >>>>>> Rhizome.org this year. Here's how we
> >spend
> >> > it: $6,000 on
> >> > > >> administrative
> >> > > >>>>>> fees (mostly processing credit card
> >gifts);
> >> > $122,000 on operating
> >> > > >>>>> expenses
> >> > > >>>>>> (phone, rent, web hosting, office
> >supplies,
> >> > etc.); $177,000 on
> >> > > >> payroll
> >> > > >>>>>> costs (salaries, health insurance,
> >payroll
> >> > taxes, etc.); $93,000 on
> >> > > >>>>>> professional fees (writers,
> >commissions,
> >> > consultants, etc.). These
> >> > > >>>>> numbers
> >> > > >>>>>> may seem high to some of you, but we
> >> > actually run a very lean,
> >> > > >> efficient
> >> > > >>>>>> operation. It simply costs a lot of
> >money
> >> > to run a nonprofit
> >> > > >>>>> organization
> >> > > >>>>>> that offers as many programs to as
> >many
> >> > people as we do.
> >> > > >>>>>>
> >> > > >>>>>> In the past, most of our revenue has
> >come
> >> > from foundations, but
> >> > > >>>>> foundation
> >> > > >>>>>> support is shrinking. We had hoped to
> >make
> >> > up the difference through
> >> > > >>>>> earned
> >> > > >>>>>> income from web hosting and online
> >> > education, but those services are
> >> > > >>>>>> getting off to a slow start. We have
> >also,
> >> > as you surely know, tried
> >> > > >>>>> asking
> >> > > >>>>>> for voluntary contributions. But so
> >far
> >> > this year only about 1% of
> >> > > >> our
> >> > > >>>>>> 19,000 members have made gifts.
> >> > > >>>>>>
> >> > > >>>>>> The Rhizome Board of Directors met for
> >its
> >> > quarterly meeting last
> >> > > >>>>> Friday.
> >> > > >>>>>> The main topic was how to solve our
> >> > financial problems. I proposed
> >> > > >>>>> putting
> >> > > >>>>>> the organization into hibernation
> >mode.
> >> > This would entail shutting
> >> > > >> down
> >> > > >>>>> the
> >> > > >>>>>> office, laying off the staff and
> >> > discontinuing most of our programs.
> >> > > >> We
> >> > > >>>>>> would keep the web site up, ask the
> >> > SuperUsers to continue to
> >> > > >> publish
> >> > > >>>>>> texts, and keep Raw online. But
> >everything
> >> > else would stop: no more
> >> > > >>>>> Digest
> >> > > >>>>>> or Net Art News, no more commissions,
> >no
> >> > more events. We'd stop
> >> > > >> adding
> >> > > >>>>> new
> >> > > >>>>>> projects to the ArtBase, stop
> >improving the
> >> > web site (we have a long
> >> > > >>>>> list
> >> > > >>>>>> of bugs to fix and features to add)
> >and
> >> > stop planning new programs.
> >> > > >>>>>>
> >> > > >>>>>> The Board felt that hibernation would
> >be a
> >> > big mistake. Once we went
> >> > > >>>>> into
> >> > > >>>>>> hibernation, they argued, it would be
> >very
> >> > hard to re-emerge and
> >> >
> >> === message truncated ===
> >>
> >>
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> >>
> >>
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Re: Charity CD Project
I think a call for participation would be the first step. We need to identify
the type of input/output activities required - such that we can define
interfaces to make the transfers possible. I have a hunch that the order of
the CD will start defining itself based upon data needs.
An alternative to consuming data from another peice is to have multiple pieces
consume identical, interactive user input and perform at the same time.
joseph (cor e form art) + (porat per ance ist)
frank + lyn - mc + El + roy
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Quoting Michael Szpakowski <szpako@yahoo.com>:
>
>
> <How about each peice use as input, output from
> another piece on the CD? >
> I think this is a great idea -we are talking artowrks
> rather that audio CD here right?
> Why not an immediate call for participants on the
> list.
> (maybe with specific mails to people it would be good
> to target)
> Then someone ( lee, joseph?) decides an order of play.
> It's made clear that these things need to be made to a
> shortish deadline
> The first work is created and mailed or a link is sent
> to the next artist, and so on.
> The disadvantage here is that even if each artists
> make a piece in a week we're still talking 20 weeks
> so....
> ...to make it quicker I suggest the original work is
> mailed to two artists and so on - or even maybe the
> 'order of play' could be Rhizome like.
> The thing i really like about this format is that it
> feels very collective- it would also be great to have
> artists who have engaged in fairly fierce polemic on
> the list united in common cause -how about Grancher
> remixes Cloninger or vice versa &c.( maybe this is a
> bit unlikely but you get the point!)
> anyway thats my two penny worth.
> best
> michael
>
>
>
>
> >
> >
> > joseph (cor e form art) + (porat per ance ist)
> > frank + lyn - mc + El + roy
> >
> > go shopping ->
> > http://www.electrichands.com/shopindex.htm
> > call me 646 279 2309
> >
> >
> >
> > Quoting Lee Wells <leewells@bb19.net>:
> >
> > > Hello all
> > >
> > > Should we decide upon a theme?
> > > What are the primary social topics discussed on
> > Rhizome?
> > > First thing to come to mind for me was, kNOwwWARe.
> > > All just a play on words, sounds, images.
> > > I think it should make people laugh. People need
> > to laugh more.
> > > How can we make this more of a collaboration that
> > a group of individuals
> > > from Rhizome making a compilation CD?
> > >
> > > Help me out here
> > > Cheers
> > > Lee
> > >
> > >
> > > on 11/4/02 1:57 PM, Max Herman at
> > maxnmherman@hotmail.com wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > This is going to have to wait for me till Jan
> > 03. I'll be off neternet
> > > > stuff till then.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >> From: joseph@electrichands.com
> > > >> To: Lee Wells <leewells@bb19.net>
> > > >> CC: Max Herman <maxnmherman@hotmail.com>,
> > mt@rhizome.org,list@rhizome.org
> > > >> Subject: Re: RHIZOME_RAW: Membership fee?
> > > >> Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2002 02:52:32 +0000
> > > >>
> > > >> Ok lets get it organized.
> > > >>
> > > >> Max, you curate the CD show.
> > > >> Lee, you promote the show
> > > >> I will get the first 100 CDs mastered and
> > printed.
> > > >>
> > > >> We sell it for $50 bucks a peice.
> > > >>
> > > >> I cover my costs and Rhizome should net around
> > $4500
> > > >>
> > > >> Ready 2 go?
> > > >>
> > > >> joseph
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> Quoting Lee Wells <leewells@bb19.net>:
> > > >>
> > > >>> I donate art to Rhizome, music, images, etc.
> > The CD Idea is preaty good
> > > >> and
> > > >>> has worked for other nonprofit org like,
> > Lumpen Magazine in Chicago.
> > > >>> http://www.lumpen.com/
> > > >>>
> > > >>> on 10/25/02 2:12 AM, Max Herman at
> > maxnmherman@hotmail.com wrote:
> > > >>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> Yeah, I was thinking a big fatty music CD,
> > all proceeds to Rhizome,
> > > >> I'd
> > > >>>> donate a song'r two.
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>> From: joseph@electrichands.com
> > > >>>>> Reply-To: joseph@electrichands.com
> > > >>>>> To: Mark Tribe <mt@rhizome.org>
> > > >>>>> CC: list@rhizome.org
> > > >>>>> Subject: Re: RHIZOME_RAW: Membership fee?
> > > >>>>> Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 05:45:52 +0000
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> Its time to talk about industry mergers.
> > Forget the membership fees,
> > > >> very
> > > >>>>> few
> > > >>>>> will pay. If you are about to fold, either
> > fold, or start a capital
> > > >>>>> campaign
> > > >>>>> to raise 7 figures. Fold or Bold.
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> joseph
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> Quoting Mark Tribe <mt@rhizome.org>:
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>> Hi Rhizomers:
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>> I am hoping to start a discussion here on
> > Raw about Rhizome's
> > > >> financial
> > > >>>>>> situation and a possible solution. This
> > email is rather long, but
> > > >> I'd
> > > >>>>>> appreciate it if you'd take the time to
> > read it through, give it
> > > >> some
> > > >>>>>> thought, and let me know what you think.
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>> First, some background information. It will
> > cost about $400,000 to
> > > >>>>> operate
> > > >>>>>> Rhizome.org this year. Here's how we spend
> > it: $6,000 on
> > > >> administrative
> > > >>>>>> fees (mostly processing credit card gifts);
> > $122,000 on operating
> > > >>>>> expenses
> > > >>>>>> (phone, rent, web hosting, office supplies,
> > etc.); $177,000 on
> > > >> payroll
> > > >>>>>> costs (salaries, health insurance, payroll
> > taxes, etc.); $93,000 on
> > > >>>>>> professional fees (writers, commissions,
> > consultants, etc.). These
> > > >>>>> numbers
> > > >>>>>> may seem high to some of you, but we
> > actually run a very lean,
> > > >> efficient
> > > >>>>>> operation. It simply costs a lot of money
> > to run a nonprofit
> > > >>>>> organization
> > > >>>>>> that offers as many programs to as many
> > people as we do.
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>> In the past, most of our revenue has come
> > from foundations, but
> > > >>>>> foundation
> > > >>>>>> support is shrinking. We had hoped to make
> > up the difference through
> > > >>>>> earned
> > > >>>>>> income from web hosting and online
> > education, but those services are
> > > >>>>>> getting off to a slow start. We have also,
> > as you surely know, tried
> > > >>>>> asking
> > > >>>>>> for voluntary contributions. But so far
> > this year only about 1% of
> > > >> our
> > > >>>>>> 19,000 members have made gifts.
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>> The Rhizome Board of Directors met for its
> > quarterly meeting last
> > > >>>>> Friday.
> > > >>>>>> The main topic was how to solve our
> > financial problems. I proposed
> > > >>>>> putting
> > > >>>>>> the organization into hibernation mode.
> > This would entail shutting
> > > >> down
> > > >>>>> the
> > > >>>>>> office, laying off the staff and
> > discontinuing most of our programs.
> > > >> We
> > > >>>>>> would keep the web site up, ask the
> > SuperUsers to continue to
> > > >> publish
> > > >>>>>> texts, and keep Raw online. But everything
> > else would stop: no more
> > > >>>>> Digest
> > > >>>>>> or Net Art News, no more commissions, no
> > more events. We'd stop
> > > >> adding
> > > >>>>> new
> > > >>>>>> projects to the ArtBase, stop improving the
> > web site (we have a long
> > > >>>>> list
> > > >>>>>> of bugs to fix and features to add) and
> > stop planning new programs.
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>> The Board felt that hibernation would be a
> > big mistake. Once we went
> > > >>>>> into
> > > >>>>>> hibernation, they argued, it would be very
> > hard to re-emerge and
> >
> === message truncated ===
>
>
> =====
> http://www.somedancersandmusicians.com/
>
> __________________________________________________
> Do you Yahoo!?
> HotJobs - Search new jobs daily now
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the type of input/output activities required - such that we can define
interfaces to make the transfers possible. I have a hunch that the order of
the CD will start defining itself based upon data needs.
An alternative to consuming data from another peice is to have multiple pieces
consume identical, interactive user input and perform at the same time.
joseph (cor e form art) + (porat per ance ist)
frank + lyn - mc + El + roy
go shopping -> http://www.electrichands.com/shopindex.htm
call me 646 279 2309
Quoting Michael Szpakowski <szpako@yahoo.com>:
>
>
> <How about each peice use as input, output from
> another piece on the CD? >
> I think this is a great idea -we are talking artowrks
> rather that audio CD here right?
> Why not an immediate call for participants on the
> list.
> (maybe with specific mails to people it would be good
> to target)
> Then someone ( lee, joseph?) decides an order of play.
> It's made clear that these things need to be made to a
> shortish deadline
> The first work is created and mailed or a link is sent
> to the next artist, and so on.
> The disadvantage here is that even if each artists
> make a piece in a week we're still talking 20 weeks
> so....
> ...to make it quicker I suggest the original work is
> mailed to two artists and so on - or even maybe the
> 'order of play' could be Rhizome like.
> The thing i really like about this format is that it
> feels very collective- it would also be great to have
> artists who have engaged in fairly fierce polemic on
> the list united in common cause -how about Grancher
> remixes Cloninger or vice versa &c.( maybe this is a
> bit unlikely but you get the point!)
> anyway thats my two penny worth.
> best
> michael
>
>
>
>
> >
> >
> > joseph (cor e form art) + (porat per ance ist)
> > frank + lyn - mc + El + roy
> >
> > go shopping ->
> > http://www.electrichands.com/shopindex.htm
> > call me 646 279 2309
> >
> >
> >
> > Quoting Lee Wells <leewells@bb19.net>:
> >
> > > Hello all
> > >
> > > Should we decide upon a theme?
> > > What are the primary social topics discussed on
> > Rhizome?
> > > First thing to come to mind for me was, kNOwwWARe.
> > > All just a play on words, sounds, images.
> > > I think it should make people laugh. People need
> > to laugh more.
> > > How can we make this more of a collaboration that
> > a group of individuals
> > > from Rhizome making a compilation CD?
> > >
> > > Help me out here
> > > Cheers
> > > Lee
> > >
> > >
> > > on 11/4/02 1:57 PM, Max Herman at
> > maxnmherman@hotmail.com wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > This is going to have to wait for me till Jan
> > 03. I'll be off neternet
> > > > stuff till then.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >> From: joseph@electrichands.com
> > > >> To: Lee Wells <leewells@bb19.net>
> > > >> CC: Max Herman <maxnmherman@hotmail.com>,
> > mt@rhizome.org,list@rhizome.org
> > > >> Subject: Re: RHIZOME_RAW: Membership fee?
> > > >> Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2002 02:52:32 +0000
> > > >>
> > > >> Ok lets get it organized.
> > > >>
> > > >> Max, you curate the CD show.
> > > >> Lee, you promote the show
> > > >> I will get the first 100 CDs mastered and
> > printed.
> > > >>
> > > >> We sell it for $50 bucks a peice.
> > > >>
> > > >> I cover my costs and Rhizome should net around
> > $4500
> > > >>
> > > >> Ready 2 go?
> > > >>
> > > >> joseph
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> Quoting Lee Wells <leewells@bb19.net>:
> > > >>
> > > >>> I donate art to Rhizome, music, images, etc.
> > The CD Idea is preaty good
> > > >> and
> > > >>> has worked for other nonprofit org like,
> > Lumpen Magazine in Chicago.
> > > >>> http://www.lumpen.com/
> > > >>>
> > > >>> on 10/25/02 2:12 AM, Max Herman at
> > maxnmherman@hotmail.com wrote:
> > > >>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> Yeah, I was thinking a big fatty music CD,
> > all proceeds to Rhizome,
> > > >> I'd
> > > >>>> donate a song'r two.
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>> From: joseph@electrichands.com
> > > >>>>> Reply-To: joseph@electrichands.com
> > > >>>>> To: Mark Tribe <mt@rhizome.org>
> > > >>>>> CC: list@rhizome.org
> > > >>>>> Subject: Re: RHIZOME_RAW: Membership fee?
> > > >>>>> Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 05:45:52 +0000
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> Its time to talk about industry mergers.
> > Forget the membership fees,
> > > >> very
> > > >>>>> few
> > > >>>>> will pay. If you are about to fold, either
> > fold, or start a capital
> > > >>>>> campaign
> > > >>>>> to raise 7 figures. Fold or Bold.
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> joseph
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> Quoting Mark Tribe <mt@rhizome.org>:
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>> Hi Rhizomers:
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>> I am hoping to start a discussion here on
> > Raw about Rhizome's
> > > >> financial
> > > >>>>>> situation and a possible solution. This
> > email is rather long, but
> > > >> I'd
> > > >>>>>> appreciate it if you'd take the time to
> > read it through, give it
> > > >> some
> > > >>>>>> thought, and let me know what you think.
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>> First, some background information. It will
> > cost about $400,000 to
> > > >>>>> operate
> > > >>>>>> Rhizome.org this year. Here's how we spend
> > it: $6,000 on
> > > >> administrative
> > > >>>>>> fees (mostly processing credit card gifts);
> > $122,000 on operating
> > > >>>>> expenses
> > > >>>>>> (phone, rent, web hosting, office supplies,
> > etc.); $177,000 on
> > > >> payroll
> > > >>>>>> costs (salaries, health insurance, payroll
> > taxes, etc.); $93,000 on
> > > >>>>>> professional fees (writers, commissions,
> > consultants, etc.). These
> > > >>>>> numbers
> > > >>>>>> may seem high to some of you, but we
> > actually run a very lean,
> > > >> efficient
> > > >>>>>> operation. It simply costs a lot of money
> > to run a nonprofit
> > > >>>>> organization
> > > >>>>>> that offers as many programs to as many
> > people as we do.
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>> In the past, most of our revenue has come
> > from foundations, but
> > > >>>>> foundation
> > > >>>>>> support is shrinking. We had hoped to make
> > up the difference through
> > > >>>>> earned
> > > >>>>>> income from web hosting and online
> > education, but those services are
> > > >>>>>> getting off to a slow start. We have also,
> > as you surely know, tried
> > > >>>>> asking
> > > >>>>>> for voluntary contributions. But so far
> > this year only about 1% of
> > > >> our
> > > >>>>>> 19,000 members have made gifts.
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>> The Rhizome Board of Directors met for its
> > quarterly meeting last
> > > >>>>> Friday.
> > > >>>>>> The main topic was how to solve our
> > financial problems. I proposed
> > > >>>>> putting
> > > >>>>>> the organization into hibernation mode.
> > This would entail shutting
> > > >> down
> > > >>>>> the
> > > >>>>>> office, laying off the staff and
> > discontinuing most of our programs.
> > > >> We
> > > >>>>>> would keep the web site up, ask the
> > SuperUsers to continue to
> > > >> publish
> > > >>>>>> texts, and keep Raw online. But everything
> > else would stop: no more
> > > >>>>> Digest
> > > >>>>>> or Net Art News, no more commissions, no
> > more events. We'd stop
> > > >> adding
> > > >>>>> new
> > > >>>>>> projects to the ArtBase, stop improving the
> > web site (we have a long
> > > >>>>> list
> > > >>>>>> of bugs to fix and features to add) and
> > stop planning new programs.
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>> The Board felt that hibernation would be a
> > big mistake. Once we went
> > > >>>>> into
> > > >>>>>> hibernation, they argued, it would be very
> > hard to re-emerge and
> >
> === message truncated ===
>
>
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>
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Political Rally
When to final McCall rally in Harlem tonight. The all-star democrat lineup was
there from Rev Sharpton to Bill Clinton.
It struck me that the main democrat theme is "The republicans are out to get
you"... but the republicans have a bigger theme "The terrorists are out to get
you"
Seems the only way to get elected is to scare the shit out of the electorate.
what the hell...get out and vote.
joseph (cor e form art) + (porat per ance ist)
frank + lyn - mc + El + roy
go shopping -> http://www.electrichands.com/shopindex.htm
call me 646 279 2309
there from Rev Sharpton to Bill Clinton.
It struck me that the main democrat theme is "The republicans are out to get
you"... but the republicans have a bigger theme "The terrorists are out to get
you"
Seems the only way to get elected is to scare the shit out of the electorate.
what the hell...get out and vote.
joseph (cor e form art) + (porat per ance ist)
frank + lyn - mc + El + roy
go shopping -> http://www.electrichands.com/shopindex.htm
call me 646 279 2309