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The McElroys are a husband and wife collaborative artist, technology, and business team who bring significant artistic, technology and community development skills to Corporate Performance Artists. Joseph, is a graduate of Computer Science from Duke University and a former team leader at IBM. He has been a CEO of several companies, and has been responsible for raising $2 million to fund a startup company called EveryDayPrint.com, which while part of the dot-com boom and bust, he managed to bring to profitability and which still survives to this day.
Donna was an operations manager and PR specialist in the firms they have started together. She has recently been credited by several business leaders in the Bronx as being "top spokesperson for the Bronx." She is active in many community development projects, such as participating on the Board of the Bruckner Arts and Antique District, and working to promote many Bronx activities through an online newsletter called Cupcake Kaleidoscope.
Joseph was the leader of the Open Source Sig for the New York Software Industry Association. And was track co-chair for Open Source at the 2001 New York Software Industry Summit. He was on the advisory board for PostgreSql, Inc - the leading Open Source Database and has had articles published by Lutris Technologies and Open Magazine on Open Source business models and technology solutions. He is a database expert with extensive Fortune 500 experience. Among other awards, he won an IBM Division Award for Technical Excellence.
From magazine "Open" issue September 2001 - "The McElroys kick open the doors of old business models and capitalize on what they believe." The McElroys have achieved re-known as Open Source visionaries with interviews by Interactive Week, Infoworld, Fortune Technology, Open magazine, and others. Joseph and Donna make no claims of divine insight, but in review by Lewis Lacock, it is said, "that this dynamic duo of art are the closest things we have to true shamans today". They are doing their best to pursue the knowledge to support such claims someday.
HIGHLIGHTS
* Achieved reputation as Open Source visionarys with interviews by Interactive Week, Infoworld, Fortune Technology, Open magazine among others.
* National Columnist on Money Matters for Gather.com.
* Judge for the Advanced Technical Categories of the Emmys.
* Successfully raised $2 million funding for startup.
* Successfully built and sold two technology businesses.
* First Entry into the Multimedia wing of the Museum of Computer Art.
* Artwork collected by the Library at Cornell University.
* Artwork in the collection of Rhizome.org.
* Developed first ever Exhibition Catalog completely on CD Rom. Done for Alternative Museum. Reviewed by New York Times.
* Selected to attend first ever Summer Institute for Performance Art at The Kitchen in NYC.
* IBM Division Award for Technical Excellence.
* Various academic, mathematic and scholarship awards. Attended Duke University on a full scholarship in mathematics.
* Poetry published in various journals. Art exhibited in museum shows.
* Certificate of Artistic Excellence from Congressman Jose Serrano.
* Recognized by Bronx Borough President Aldofo Carrion for contributions to the community.
Donna was an operations manager and PR specialist in the firms they have started together. She has recently been credited by several business leaders in the Bronx as being "top spokesperson for the Bronx." She is active in many community development projects, such as participating on the Board of the Bruckner Arts and Antique District, and working to promote many Bronx activities through an online newsletter called Cupcake Kaleidoscope.
Joseph was the leader of the Open Source Sig for the New York Software Industry Association. And was track co-chair for Open Source at the 2001 New York Software Industry Summit. He was on the advisory board for PostgreSql, Inc - the leading Open Source Database and has had articles published by Lutris Technologies and Open Magazine on Open Source business models and technology solutions. He is a database expert with extensive Fortune 500 experience. Among other awards, he won an IBM Division Award for Technical Excellence.
From magazine "Open" issue September 2001 - "The McElroys kick open the doors of old business models and capitalize on what they believe." The McElroys have achieved re-known as Open Source visionaries with interviews by Interactive Week, Infoworld, Fortune Technology, Open magazine, and others. Joseph and Donna make no claims of divine insight, but in review by Lewis Lacock, it is said, "that this dynamic duo of art are the closest things we have to true shamans today". They are doing their best to pursue the knowledge to support such claims someday.
HIGHLIGHTS
* Achieved reputation as Open Source visionarys with interviews by Interactive Week, Infoworld, Fortune Technology, Open magazine among others.
* National Columnist on Money Matters for Gather.com.
* Judge for the Advanced Technical Categories of the Emmys.
* Successfully raised $2 million funding for startup.
* Successfully built and sold two technology businesses.
* First Entry into the Multimedia wing of the Museum of Computer Art.
* Artwork collected by the Library at Cornell University.
* Artwork in the collection of Rhizome.org.
* Developed first ever Exhibition Catalog completely on CD Rom. Done for Alternative Museum. Reviewed by New York Times.
* Selected to attend first ever Summer Institute for Performance Art at The Kitchen in NYC.
* IBM Division Award for Technical Excellence.
* Various academic, mathematic and scholarship awards. Attended Duke University on a full scholarship in mathematics.
* Poetry published in various journals. Art exhibited in museum shows.
* Certificate of Artistic Excellence from Congressman Jose Serrano.
* Recognized by Bronx Borough President Aldofo Carrion for contributions to the community.
Re: Re: [thingist] Joseph the Mountaian Sensei-Master
Quoting "-IID42 Kandinskij @27+" <death@zaphod.terminal.org>:
> On Wed, 16 Oct 2002, joseph mcelroy wrote:
>
> > Life is suffering and we must accept that.
>
> That would truly be drivel indeed.
>
> However your 'logical' conclusion
> that all is peachy, that you are not suffering,
> and that you're a born Buddha and don't have to work is
> nonsense.
>
> All you are is numb to your suffering.
Suffering is how we progress our life. Numbness would lead to stagnation or
regression. I would "die" if not body, then 'soul' - accepting suffering is not
becoming numb to it. Avoiding suffering would be the casualty of fear.
Joseph
> On Wed, 16 Oct 2002, joseph mcelroy wrote:
>
> > Life is suffering and we must accept that.
>
> That would truly be drivel indeed.
>
> However your 'logical' conclusion
> that all is peachy, that you are not suffering,
> and that you're a born Buddha and don't have to work is
> nonsense.
>
> All you are is numb to your suffering.
Suffering is how we progress our life. Numbness would lead to stagnation or
regression. I would "die" if not body, then 'soul' - accepting suffering is not
becoming numb to it. Avoiding suffering would be the casualty of fear.
Joseph
Re: Re: legal matters
Quoting "-IID42 Kandinskij @27+" <death@zaphod.terminal.org>:
> On Wed, 16 Oct 2002, joseph mcelroy wrote:
>
> > Chair
> > So Thin and Bare.
> > How can you
> > Bear my weight?
> > You are Air.
>
> Any more drivel to cover your ego-obsessed arse, Joseph?
> Spouting words you don't understand doesn't qualify
> as understanding any more my standing next to the Mona Lisa
> makes me Da Vinci.
What do you think I mean and what do you think I am supposed to mean?
Why is Air the wrong word choice, but I used because of sound and not correct
meaning?
Joseph
> On Wed, 16 Oct 2002, joseph mcelroy wrote:
>
> > Chair
> > So Thin and Bare.
> > How can you
> > Bear my weight?
> > You are Air.
>
> Any more drivel to cover your ego-obsessed arse, Joseph?
> Spouting words you don't understand doesn't qualify
> as understanding any more my standing next to the Mona Lisa
> makes me Da Vinci.
What do you think I mean and what do you think I am supposed to mean?
Why is Air the wrong word choice, but I used because of sound and not correct
meaning?
Joseph
Re: [thingist] Joseph's fear
I like the way it is all for sale at good price.
http://www.echonyc.com/~trans/series/seriesspanish.html
joseph
Quoting "-IID42 Kandinskij @27+" <death@zaphod.terminal.org>:
>
http://www.echonyc.com/~trans/proyecciones/LaOficina/abramovic/abramovic01.html
>
> `, . ` `k a r e i' ? ' D42
>
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joseph
Quoting "-IID42 Kandinskij @27+" <death@zaphod.terminal.org>:
>
http://www.echonyc.com/~trans/proyecciones/LaOficina/abramovic/abramovic01.html
>
> `, . ` `k a r e i' ? ' D42
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Re: [thingist] Re: RHIZOME_RAW: legal matters
Quoting Max Herman <maxnmherman@hotmail.com>:
>
>
> I have blocked Mr. K, so if anyone thinks I need to read him please re-post
> as below, but even then I will probably not read it.
As Tagent would say "The Right Stuff" (maybe not) :)
Joseph
>
>
>
>
> >From: joseph@electrichands.com
> >Reply-To: thingist@bbs.thing.net
> >To: "-IID42 Kandinskij @27+" <death@zaphod.terminal.org>
> >CC: Vijay Pattisapu <disco@junglist.com>, thingist@bbs.thing.net,
> >list@rhizome.org
> >Subject: [thingist] Re: RHIZOME_RAW: legal matters
> >Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 18:04:28 -0400
> >
> >You know, when I talk to my Aunt Polly and get her all angry about not
> >believing in the "Truth" of the bible, she'll get out her little black book
> >and
> >start quoting scripture. "How can ya argue with that" she'll say.
> >
> >I tell her a little story about the Devil and one of his disciples walking
> >down
> >the road when they come upon a man with a rapturous look upon is face.
> >"What
> >is the look upon this man" asks the disciple of the Devil. "He has found a
> >truth" says the Devil. "Aren't you concerned" says the disciple. Devil
> >says
> >"Naw, he is about to write it down as a belief, and others are about to
> >make it
> >a religion. That is good for business."
> >
> >You sound like my Aunt Polly. Do you want a cracker?
> >
> >Joseph
> >
> >
> >Quoting "-IID42 Kandinskij @27+" <death@zaphod.terminal.org>:
> >
> > > On Tue, 15 Oct 2002 joseph@electrichands.com wrote:
> > >
> > > > Oh my gawd, he just cursed my entire family.
> > >
> > > Nobody 'cursed' your family. Nobody attempted to curse your family.
> > > Your myopic misunderstanding of Reality hasn't got anything to do
> > > with the powerless peasant wannabe 'ideas' swimming in your brain.
> > > Whether you choose to acknowledge this or not, reality is not a matter
> > > of opinion, and you're subject to laws whether you're aware of them or
> > > not.
> > >
> > >
> > > > I didn't teach the parrot to say curses.
> > >
> > > You cannot teach anything to anybody.
> > > That self-important 'simply Superior' posture is ridiculous,
> > > and so is your slighting attempt at 'humor' which is a cowardly
> > > way of pretending that what is going on isn't.
> > >
> > > > Next he will be giving out fatahs.
> > >
> > > Not likely.
> > >
> > > You're simply an idiotic con-man.
> > >
> > > > Fear is a useful conversion technique is it not?
> > >
> > > This is no fear dearest. You are simply a CON-MAN.
> > > A liar. On numerous occasions you take advantage of people.
> > > Why don't you address what I wrote about your wounding
> > > humans and then licking their wounds 'establishing a
> > > friendly bond'? Such a nice guy.
> > >
> > > You're impotent, weak, cowardly, incompetent, and powerless.
> > > Even if I were_ capable of fear, there wouldn't be anything
> > > to be afraid of.
> > >
> > > > BTW - there does not exist a "no-longer subject to human nature
> >BEING".
> > >
> > > Certainly it does. Always has. And those are the real Shamans.
> > > As well as Zen monks, gnostic christians, artists proper,
> > > buddhists, various religious figures proper, etc.
> > >
> > > Your ignorance is pathetic.
> > >
> > > > (Unless they were born on Mars or someplace else).
> > >
> > > Being born on Mars hasn't got anything to do with it.
> > > The purpose of all evolutionary teaching is liberation
> > > from the human form. Including Shamanism.
> > >
> > > > Nor certain LAWS which are inhuman.
> > >
> > > Rather the opposite. All laws are inhuman.
> > >
> > > > You are claiming these to establish yourself as a power,
> > >
> > > I am not claiming these. These laws are subject to Shamanism, Zen,
> > > Buddhism, Hinduism, gnostic Christianity, Voodoo, African Religions,
> > > Art--classical and otherwise, etc. And they are there.
> > >
> > > The entire reason why you are attempting to present this
> > > as some sort of 'ego-game' on my part is because if any sort
> > > of real and immutable standards appear, your worthlessness, weakness,
> > > and impotence will become even more readily transparent than they are.
> > >
> > > I don't need to establish myself as a power. I AM.
> > >
> > > > a purely ego-based drive to establish identity.
> > >
> > > Power hasnt got anything to do with the ego.
> > > Nor do I have an ego--stomp your foot as you please.
> > > Nor are you qualified to judge other people's egos.
> > >
> > > > It is an old, sad song.
> > >
> > > No, it isn't. There is nothing OLD or SAD about it.
> > > In fact it's perfectly clear and joyful.
> > > It is only in your sado-masochistic ego impotence
> > > that you project 'weakness' 'fear' 'sadness' etc.
> > >
> > > Continuously you attempt to project fear, anger, etc
> > > on it--when there ISN'T ANY.
> > >
> > > Only paranoid weaklings act like you in the face of
> > > sheer energy and nothing else.
> > >
> > > > And you keep thinking
> > >
> > > No dearest, I am not thinking.
> > > You may froth at the mouth as much as you please,
> > > but thinking I will not be.
> > >
> > > > that I am doing the same thing,
> > >
> > > You are. You are a mechanical twit.
> > >
> > > > justifying
> > >
> > > I am not justifying anything.
> > >
> > > > your conviction
> > >
> > > I have no conviction.
> > >
> > > > by believing
> > >
> > > I am not believing anything.
> > >
> > > > that I am trying to be a Shaman. I am not. Never said I was.
> > >
> > > On the contrary. And nomadism, performances, masks, personas, etc--
> > > are all derived from performance artists involved with shamanism.
> > >
> > > Here's a little quite for you from Marina Avramovic, who by the way
> > > is widely recognized as one of the 'grandmothers of performance art':
> > >
> > > Q: With your work you contribute to that process of becoming more
> >aware?
> > > Abramovic: I am more interested in dying.
> > >
> > > You're 'running' around throwing your destructive juvenile impulses
> > > around without a clue what you're doing, and claiming this to be
> > > 'performance art' and 'research' etc. You are capable of neither.
> > >
> > > Nevermind the juvenile response of whoever doesn't 'get' my art
> > > is 'playing my game' 'in my control' 'afraid of me' etc.etc.
> > >
> > > Nevermind your attempted idiocy of presenting this as an
> > > 'ideological war'. You are not capable of such feats either,
> > > as you're continuous 'victim' of various forms of propaganda--
> > > which is what you are acting out with your 'performances'.
> > >
> > > And I'd like to see you try on all of this, and the below
> > > WITHOUT getting personally offended--as you always do, and hence
> > > your pseudo-humorous attempts of 'reactions'.
> > >
> > > > People who claim to be "a no-longer subject to human nature BEING" are
> > > > asking others to accept their authority
> > >
> > > No, they aren't. Authority is not a matter of whether others accept
> > > it or not. There are 'teaching' exceptions in which the receiver is
> > > asked to accept the authority of (trust) the transmitter until it
> > > can perceive matters for itself.
> > >
> > > Whether you accept ir or not, authority is. A very simple, and
> > > non-argumentative example of non-human external authority is that you
> > > are born to die. You can twist it this and that way, but you'll arrive
> > > at the same. You can accept it, not accept it, agree, disagree,
> > > pretend it's not there, ignore it, etc.--but it's still there.
> > >
> > > Additionaly, it is one of the senses or attributes of a conscious
> > > being--to the degree applicable in each case. Authority is something
> > > conscious beings are encouraged to cultivate--and it hasn't got
> >anything
> > > to do with the ego, unless the two are conflated.
> > >
> > > > based upon mysterious knowledge that only they and a
> > > > few have. It is pretty much bull shit.
> > >
> > > No dearest. It isn't. There is nothing 'mysterious' about
> > > that knowledge--not in the way you imply it--and yes, it is
> > > available to very few. It does not have to be that way at this point--
> > > due to these 'laws' you so fervently attempt to deny--though that
> > > can also change.
> > >
> > > I've already written about this as well, so shove your delusional
> > > accusations. Your actions however have on a number of occasions
> > > damaged--or attempted to damage humans so that they cannot achieve
> > > this state.
> > >
> > >
> > > > I'm the white-gold wielder and you ain't getting in here.
> > >
> > > Hardly. You're a delusional egotistical ape.
> > >
> > > Now here's a little quotation for you, from a certain
> > > very lovely and not human individual. maybe you can try and argue
> > > with it just like you tried to argue with the author of
> > > 'convincing people'.
> > >
> > > The Way is basically perfect and all-pervading. How could it be
> >contingent
> > > upon practice and realization? The Dharma-vehicle is free and
> >untrammelled.
> > > What need is there for concentrated effort? Indeed, the
> > > whole body is far beyond the world's dust. Who could believe in a means
> >to
> > > brush it clean? It is never apart from one, right where one is. What is
> > > the use of going off here and there to practice?
> > >
> > > And yet, if there is the slightest discrepancy, the Way is as distant as
> > > heaven from earth. If the least like or dislike arises, the Mind is lost
> > > in confusion. Suppose one gains pride of understanding and inflates
> >one's
> > > own enlightenment, glimpsing the wisdom that runs through all things,
> > > attaining the Way and clarifying the Mind, raising an aspiration to
> > > escalade the very sky. One is making the initial, partial excursions
> >about
> > > the frontiers but is still somewhat deficient in the vital Way of total
> > > emancipation.
> > >
> > > >> Need I mention the Buddha, who was possessed of inborn knowledge?
> > >
> > > Please, honored followers of Zen, long accustomed to groping for the
> > > elephant, do not be suspicious of the true dragon.
> > >
> > > >> Devote your energies to a way that directly indicates the absolute.
> > >
> > > Revere the person of complete attainment who is >>beyond all human
> > > agency<<.
> > >
> > > Reality dearest is reality.
> > >
> > > xoxo
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> I have blocked Mr. K, so if anyone thinks I need to read him please re-post
> as below, but even then I will probably not read it.
As Tagent would say "The Right Stuff" (maybe not) :)
Joseph
>
>
>
>
> >From: joseph@electrichands.com
> >Reply-To: thingist@bbs.thing.net
> >To: "-IID42 Kandinskij @27+" <death@zaphod.terminal.org>
> >CC: Vijay Pattisapu <disco@junglist.com>, thingist@bbs.thing.net,
> >list@rhizome.org
> >Subject: [thingist] Re: RHIZOME_RAW: legal matters
> >Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 18:04:28 -0400
> >
> >You know, when I talk to my Aunt Polly and get her all angry about not
> >believing in the "Truth" of the bible, she'll get out her little black book
> >and
> >start quoting scripture. "How can ya argue with that" she'll say.
> >
> >I tell her a little story about the Devil and one of his disciples walking
> >down
> >the road when they come upon a man with a rapturous look upon is face.
> >"What
> >is the look upon this man" asks the disciple of the Devil. "He has found a
> >truth" says the Devil. "Aren't you concerned" says the disciple. Devil
> >says
> >"Naw, he is about to write it down as a belief, and others are about to
> >make it
> >a religion. That is good for business."
> >
> >You sound like my Aunt Polly. Do you want a cracker?
> >
> >Joseph
> >
> >
> >Quoting "-IID42 Kandinskij @27+" <death@zaphod.terminal.org>:
> >
> > > On Tue, 15 Oct 2002 joseph@electrichands.com wrote:
> > >
> > > > Oh my gawd, he just cursed my entire family.
> > >
> > > Nobody 'cursed' your family. Nobody attempted to curse your family.
> > > Your myopic misunderstanding of Reality hasn't got anything to do
> > > with the powerless peasant wannabe 'ideas' swimming in your brain.
> > > Whether you choose to acknowledge this or not, reality is not a matter
> > > of opinion, and you're subject to laws whether you're aware of them or
> > > not.
> > >
> > >
> > > > I didn't teach the parrot to say curses.
> > >
> > > You cannot teach anything to anybody.
> > > That self-important 'simply Superior' posture is ridiculous,
> > > and so is your slighting attempt at 'humor' which is a cowardly
> > > way of pretending that what is going on isn't.
> > >
> > > > Next he will be giving out fatahs.
> > >
> > > Not likely.
> > >
> > > You're simply an idiotic con-man.
> > >
> > > > Fear is a useful conversion technique is it not?
> > >
> > > This is no fear dearest. You are simply a CON-MAN.
> > > A liar. On numerous occasions you take advantage of people.
> > > Why don't you address what I wrote about your wounding
> > > humans and then licking their wounds 'establishing a
> > > friendly bond'? Such a nice guy.
> > >
> > > You're impotent, weak, cowardly, incompetent, and powerless.
> > > Even if I were_ capable of fear, there wouldn't be anything
> > > to be afraid of.
> > >
> > > > BTW - there does not exist a "no-longer subject to human nature
> >BEING".
> > >
> > > Certainly it does. Always has. And those are the real Shamans.
> > > As well as Zen monks, gnostic christians, artists proper,
> > > buddhists, various religious figures proper, etc.
> > >
> > > Your ignorance is pathetic.
> > >
> > > > (Unless they were born on Mars or someplace else).
> > >
> > > Being born on Mars hasn't got anything to do with it.
> > > The purpose of all evolutionary teaching is liberation
> > > from the human form. Including Shamanism.
> > >
> > > > Nor certain LAWS which are inhuman.
> > >
> > > Rather the opposite. All laws are inhuman.
> > >
> > > > You are claiming these to establish yourself as a power,
> > >
> > > I am not claiming these. These laws are subject to Shamanism, Zen,
> > > Buddhism, Hinduism, gnostic Christianity, Voodoo, African Religions,
> > > Art--classical and otherwise, etc. And they are there.
> > >
> > > The entire reason why you are attempting to present this
> > > as some sort of 'ego-game' on my part is because if any sort
> > > of real and immutable standards appear, your worthlessness, weakness,
> > > and impotence will become even more readily transparent than they are.
> > >
> > > I don't need to establish myself as a power. I AM.
> > >
> > > > a purely ego-based drive to establish identity.
> > >
> > > Power hasnt got anything to do with the ego.
> > > Nor do I have an ego--stomp your foot as you please.
> > > Nor are you qualified to judge other people's egos.
> > >
> > > > It is an old, sad song.
> > >
> > > No, it isn't. There is nothing OLD or SAD about it.
> > > In fact it's perfectly clear and joyful.
> > > It is only in your sado-masochistic ego impotence
> > > that you project 'weakness' 'fear' 'sadness' etc.
> > >
> > > Continuously you attempt to project fear, anger, etc
> > > on it--when there ISN'T ANY.
> > >
> > > Only paranoid weaklings act like you in the face of
> > > sheer energy and nothing else.
> > >
> > > > And you keep thinking
> > >
> > > No dearest, I am not thinking.
> > > You may froth at the mouth as much as you please,
> > > but thinking I will not be.
> > >
> > > > that I am doing the same thing,
> > >
> > > You are. You are a mechanical twit.
> > >
> > > > justifying
> > >
> > > I am not justifying anything.
> > >
> > > > your conviction
> > >
> > > I have no conviction.
> > >
> > > > by believing
> > >
> > > I am not believing anything.
> > >
> > > > that I am trying to be a Shaman. I am not. Never said I was.
> > >
> > > On the contrary. And nomadism, performances, masks, personas, etc--
> > > are all derived from performance artists involved with shamanism.
> > >
> > > Here's a little quite for you from Marina Avramovic, who by the way
> > > is widely recognized as one of the 'grandmothers of performance art':
> > >
> > > Q: With your work you contribute to that process of becoming more
> >aware?
> > > Abramovic: I am more interested in dying.
> > >
> > > You're 'running' around throwing your destructive juvenile impulses
> > > around without a clue what you're doing, and claiming this to be
> > > 'performance art' and 'research' etc. You are capable of neither.
> > >
> > > Nevermind the juvenile response of whoever doesn't 'get' my art
> > > is 'playing my game' 'in my control' 'afraid of me' etc.etc.
> > >
> > > Nevermind your attempted idiocy of presenting this as an
> > > 'ideological war'. You are not capable of such feats either,
> > > as you're continuous 'victim' of various forms of propaganda--
> > > which is what you are acting out with your 'performances'.
> > >
> > > And I'd like to see you try on all of this, and the below
> > > WITHOUT getting personally offended--as you always do, and hence
> > > your pseudo-humorous attempts of 'reactions'.
> > >
> > > > People who claim to be "a no-longer subject to human nature BEING" are
> > > > asking others to accept their authority
> > >
> > > No, they aren't. Authority is not a matter of whether others accept
> > > it or not. There are 'teaching' exceptions in which the receiver is
> > > asked to accept the authority of (trust) the transmitter until it
> > > can perceive matters for itself.
> > >
> > > Whether you accept ir or not, authority is. A very simple, and
> > > non-argumentative example of non-human external authority is that you
> > > are born to die. You can twist it this and that way, but you'll arrive
> > > at the same. You can accept it, not accept it, agree, disagree,
> > > pretend it's not there, ignore it, etc.--but it's still there.
> > >
> > > Additionaly, it is one of the senses or attributes of a conscious
> > > being--to the degree applicable in each case. Authority is something
> > > conscious beings are encouraged to cultivate--and it hasn't got
> >anything
> > > to do with the ego, unless the two are conflated.
> > >
> > > > based upon mysterious knowledge that only they and a
> > > > few have. It is pretty much bull shit.
> > >
> > > No dearest. It isn't. There is nothing 'mysterious' about
> > > that knowledge--not in the way you imply it--and yes, it is
> > > available to very few. It does not have to be that way at this point--
> > > due to these 'laws' you so fervently attempt to deny--though that
> > > can also change.
> > >
> > > I've already written about this as well, so shove your delusional
> > > accusations. Your actions however have on a number of occasions
> > > damaged--or attempted to damage humans so that they cannot achieve
> > > this state.
> > >
> > >
> > > > I'm the white-gold wielder and you ain't getting in here.
> > >
> > > Hardly. You're a delusional egotistical ape.
> > >
> > > Now here's a little quotation for you, from a certain
> > > very lovely and not human individual. maybe you can try and argue
> > > with it just like you tried to argue with the author of
> > > 'convincing people'.
> > >
> > > The Way is basically perfect and all-pervading. How could it be
> >contingent
> > > upon practice and realization? The Dharma-vehicle is free and
> >untrammelled.
> > > What need is there for concentrated effort? Indeed, the
> > > whole body is far beyond the world's dust. Who could believe in a means
> >to
> > > brush it clean? It is never apart from one, right where one is. What is
> > > the use of going off here and there to practice?
> > >
> > > And yet, if there is the slightest discrepancy, the Way is as distant as
> > > heaven from earth. If the least like or dislike arises, the Mind is lost
> > > in confusion. Suppose one gains pride of understanding and inflates
> >one's
> > > own enlightenment, glimpsing the wisdom that runs through all things,
> > > attaining the Way and clarifying the Mind, raising an aspiration to
> > > escalade the very sky. One is making the initial, partial excursions
> >about
> > > the frontiers but is still somewhat deficient in the vital Way of total
> > > emancipation.
> > >
> > > >> Need I mention the Buddha, who was possessed of inborn knowledge?
> > >
> > > Please, honored followers of Zen, long accustomed to groping for the
> > > elephant, do not be suspicious of the true dragon.
> > >
> > > >> Devote your energies to a way that directly indicates the absolute.
> > >
> > > Revere the person of complete attainment who is >>beyond all human
> > > agency<<.
> > >
> > > Reality dearest is reality.
> > >
> > > xoxo
> >
> >
> >
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Re: Re:
Quoting Christopher Otto <cotto1@gl.umbc.edu>:
> >
> isnt Roy Ascott hooking shamans up to the internet or something? i think that
> was mentioned at the telematic connections show last year or whenever.
>
> speaking of the shaman i recently brought out my copy of "in gorbachev we
> trust". it's MDMA-zing:)
Isn't Sony coming out with a Sony Shaman? Sort of a spiritual guide while
jogging electronic device? Got headphones and everything.
Joseph
> >
> isnt Roy Ascott hooking shamans up to the internet or something? i think that
> was mentioned at the telematic connections show last year or whenever.
>
> speaking of the shaman i recently brought out my copy of "in gorbachev we
> trust". it's MDMA-zing:)
Isn't Sony coming out with a Sony Shaman? Sort of a spiritual guide while
jogging electronic device? Got headphones and everything.
Joseph