joseph mcelroy
Since 2002
Works in New York United States of America

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BIO
The McElroys are a husband and wife collaborative artist, technology, and business team who bring significant artistic, technology and community development skills to Corporate Performance Artists. Joseph, is a graduate of Computer Science from Duke University and a former team leader at IBM. He has been a CEO of several companies, and has been responsible for raising $2 million to fund a startup company called EveryDayPrint.com, which while part of the dot-com boom and bust, he managed to bring to profitability and which still survives to this day.

Donna was an operations manager and PR specialist in the firms they have started together. She has recently been credited by several business leaders in the Bronx as being "top spokesperson for the Bronx." She is active in many community development projects, such as participating on the Board of the Bruckner Arts and Antique District, and working to promote many Bronx activities through an online newsletter called Cupcake Kaleidoscope.

Joseph was the leader of the Open Source Sig for the New York Software Industry Association. And was track co-chair for Open Source at the 2001 New York Software Industry Summit. He was on the advisory board for PostgreSql, Inc - the leading Open Source Database and has had articles published by Lutris Technologies and Open Magazine on Open Source business models and technology solutions. He is a database expert with extensive Fortune 500 experience. Among other awards, he won an IBM Division Award for Technical Excellence.

From magazine "Open" issue September 2001 - "The McElroys kick open the doors of old business models and capitalize on what they believe." The McElroys have achieved re-known as Open Source visionaries with interviews by Interactive Week, Infoworld, Fortune Technology, Open magazine, and others. Joseph and Donna make no claims of divine insight, but in review by Lewis Lacock, it is said, "that this dynamic duo of art are the closest things we have to true shamans today". They are doing their best to pursue the knowledge to support such claims someday.

HIGHLIGHTS

* Achieved reputation as Open Source visionarys with interviews by Interactive Week, Infoworld, Fortune Technology, Open magazine among others.
* National Columnist on Money Matters for Gather.com.
* Judge for the Advanced Technical Categories of the Emmys.
* Successfully raised $2 million funding for startup.
* Successfully built and sold two technology businesses.
* First Entry into the Multimedia wing of the Museum of Computer Art.
* Artwork collected by the Library at Cornell University.
* Artwork in the collection of Rhizome.org.
* Developed first ever Exhibition Catalog completely on CD Rom. Done for Alternative Museum. Reviewed by New York Times.
* Selected to attend first ever Summer Institute for Performance Art at The Kitchen in NYC.
* IBM Division Award for Technical Excellence.
* Various academic, mathematic and scholarship awards. Attended Duke University on a full scholarship in mathematics.
* Poetry published in various journals. Art exhibited in museum shows.
* Certificate of Artistic Excellence from Congressman Jose Serrano.
* Recognized by Bronx Borough President Aldofo Carrion for contributions to the community.
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DISCUSSION

Re: Rhizome Raw Religions of the World Survey 2002


Quoting "Christopher Fahey [askrom]" <askROM@graphpaper.com>:

> ...why bother even thinking about it? It's not logical to contemplate
> something about which it is impossible to reach any conclusions...
>
> Atheism, however, can also be seen as a political movement with a

Actually, I modified my description...but it is a continually evolving
definition. Contemplation of the illogical is not necessarily a waste of time -
for the process itself might be worth the effort. IE. Lets talk about seeing
through my eyelids, is it possible? In the process, I might attempt such and
find my way to meditation which might be a useful discipline to learn.

What would you call a person who believes in every religion? Or a person who
believes that there is a belief sytem for them, just that they haven't found it
yet?

Finally, it strikes me in your description that there is a kind of
irrationality in the belief of the effectiveness of various political/economic
systems - such as capatilism. Nobody can really prove it will lead to perfect
lives for everybody... which leads me to a new political statement...

SEPERATION OF CORPORATION AND STATE.

joseph

DISCUSSION

Re: Rhizome Raw Religions of the World Survey 2002


Quoting "-IID42 Kandinskij @27+" <death@zaphod.terminal.org>:

> On Fri, 25 Oct 2002 joseph@electrichands.com wrote:
>
> > Yeah!!!!! I told you I could win!
>
> No, you couldn't. But you can delude yourself so.
>
> > I want the Stuffed Pink Panther and the big
> > house and the big car and the ju-ju beans and the little pinky ring with a
> > smiley face on it.
> >
> > Joseph (winner and still champion)
>
> Delusion dearest is not victory.
> Tell yourself whatever you please, but you've lost the game entirely.

I got Eryk to quit the list and you didn't. Na Na

Joseph

DISCUSSION

Re: Rhizome Raw Religions of the World Survey 2002


Quoting josh zeidner <jjzeidner@yahoo.com>:

> is this a discussion or a gameshow?

Excuse me, what exactly do you wish to discuss? My impression you were reacting
with wordplay rather than contributing thoughts for discussion.

>
> Joseph McElroy: making religion a kick-ass
> adventure.
>

Action figures available in toys stores in November.

> > > related to the english word 'data'. When does data
> > > become knowledge? Does knowledge exist only in
> > the mind of the knower?
> >
> > Hey! Did you go to dictionary.com also? (BTW - that
> > is more clever than it seems - pat pat)
>
> well its more clever than it seems if I would seem
> to you to be one of these twits who churns out crap
> from the computer in thier parents basement.

What? Do you work in their patio room instead? Dictionary.com is good example
of data contributing to a knowledge base (as in specific definitions of words).

> > >
> > > can knowledge exist without communication?
> > >
> > Depends upon what the definition of is is.
>
> is is the negation of isn't.

Is knowledge inherently knowable or must it be accumulated?

Joseph

DISCUSSION

Re: Rhizome Raw Religions of the World Survey 2002


There is no winning here - both you and K seem to think that there is a contest
going on - only it is completely one sided. And you both have about as much
humor as a stone. These lists are not going to save the world or become
evangelical platforms or serious career springboards, but they are pretty nice
way to promote and every once in a while to learn something. So I shake the
trees my way, you shake yours. If K wasn't responding to me, he would be
responding to someone else. Seems that whole time I was gone this summer, he
was making waves, so I am not the reason he keeps bothering you. He irritates
you because you are sensitive to criticism. And be extension, offended by his
critique of others. Also, because he is vulgar about it, it upsets your sense
of decorum. None of which bothers me.

As for ignoring him, why should I? Because it bothers people who could
otherwise filter us out? Bah. My method of learning has always been in
response to need. By jousting with K a bit, he jousts back and sometimes
throws up knowledge that I need to look up. This gives me opportunity to learn
new things in a dynamic way. Also, he forces me to be very concrete about my
thoughts and beliefs, otherwise he would overwhelm me with his. I like having
him around because he is an inexhaustable (so far) stimuli for concrete
thinking.

Joseph

Quoting Eryk Salvaggio <eryk@maine.rr.com>:

>
> I don't try to irritate anyone. And mostly what you managed to do is get
> him to post more and make Rhizome and Thingist a little more irritating.
> So I'd say he's winning until you stop caring about winning and can just
> ignore him.
>
> -e.
>
>
>
>
>
> joseph@electrichands.com wrote:
>
> >Hey Eryk,
> >
> >I think I am winning the contest to get irritate K the most. It was nip and
> >tuck for a while with you, but I think I got you beat. What do you think?
> >
> >Joseph
> >
> >Quoting "-IID42 Kandinskij @27+" <death@zaphod.terminal.org>:
> >
> >>On Fri, 25 Oct 2002 joseph@electrichands.com wrote:
> >>
> >>>The word is completely universal which everyone can speak or not speak.
> >>>Either no reduction of concept, or reduce it completely - eliminate it as
> a
> >>>concept - it becomes a part of life - like your breathing.
> >>>
> >> Drivel.
> >>
> >>>I am speaking only of a specific instance of hope. Hope should be a
> >>>
> >>constant
> >>
> >>>presence.
> >>>
> >> Should be?
> >>
> >>>Thus the modifying description I followed with.
> >>>
> >> Laughable.
> >>
> >>>>Dogma is going to happen to everything.
> >>>>
> >> No it isn't. Nor is religion proper dogma.
> >>
> >>>>And it's also presumptuous to
> >>>>assume that you will give rise to dogmatic
> >>>>beliefs, Mr McElroy.
> >>>>
> >> How wise and pointificating, Mr. Salvaggio.
> >>
> >>>Where do you get the idea that I believe I will give rise to a religion or
> >>>church? I am quite an unsuitable prospect for that kind thing. I am making
> >>>
> >>art
> >>
> >>>about beliefs and hopes - that's the extent of it.
> >>>
> >> No, you aren't. You're a manipulative con-man. And you have no contact
> >> with hope. Art dearest is a priviliege of those conscious.
> >>
> >>>>Maybe that's why so many religions ended up so
> >>>>sloppy-
> >>>>
> >> No, they ended up sloppy because of human oh so human psychotism.
> >>
> >>>none of the major figureheads were
> >>>
> >>>>arrogant enough to assume they would give rise to a church [Christ even
> >>>>said it, "those who would build a church
> >>>>in my name are dry canals." It's in the gnostic gospels anyway.]
> >>>>
> >> And you UNDERSTAND them, don't you?
> >>
> >>>Yes, but plenty of arrogant followers came behind. Have the Mormon and
> >>>Scientology faiths move beyond cult to church status yet?
> >>>
> >> Neither are faiths.
> >>
> >>>My belief
> >>>
> >> Your wishful projection is NOT belief.
> >>
> >>>is that the major figureheads were arrogant enough to a) either plan a
> >>>large following
> >>>
> >> Nothing 'arrogant' about a large following.
> >>
> >>>b) to believe they found a great truth and wanted to spread it far and
> >>>
> >> They didn't 'believe' so dearest.
> >>
> >>>Either way, they were full of shit in my book (though probably very nice
> to
> >>>have an afternoon sit down with)
> >>>
> >> Cuz in your book the mode of action is DEBASEMENT.
> >> You simmply CANNOT stand a conscious being.
> >> You can't. Because you are weak and stupid.
> >>
> >> It's just so nice if we are all equal, weak and 'human' swimming in this
> >> unconscious stupor of not knowing just so that mr. McElroy doesn't get
> >> his feelings hurt, sniff.
> >>
> >> Because it's you who is pissed off and hurt dearest, and you do it to
> >> yourself too. And you want everyone else to hurt as well.
> >>
> >> WAAAAAAAAAAA.
> >>
> >

DISCUSSION

Re: Rhizome Raw Religions of the World Survey 2002


Quoting josh zeidner <jjzeidner@yahoo.com>:

>
> gnost = knowledge. a.gnostic = without gnowledge.

Well, call me a low down ignorant varmit. However, if Eryk can define atheist,
I can define agnostic (or use the variation from the dictionary of my choice)

>
> what book would that be? :)

The book of Joe, not to be confused with the book of Job - mine's all about
kicking God's ass instead of the other way round.

> the hebrew word for 'word' is 'davar' it is related
> to the english word 'divide'. The original torah text
> contained no vowels and *no spaces*.
>
> the hebrew word for 'information' is 'da-at' it is
> related to the english word 'data'. When does data
> become knowledge? Does knowledge exist only in the
> mind of the knower?

Hey! Did you go to dictionary.com also? (BTW - that is more clever than it
seems - pat pat)

>
> can knowledge exist without communication?
>

Depends upon what the definition of is is.

Joseph