joseph mcelroy
Since 2002
Works in New York United States of America

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The McElroys are a husband and wife collaborative artist, technology, and business team who bring significant artistic, technology and community development skills to Corporate Performance Artists. Joseph, is a graduate of Computer Science from Duke University and a former team leader at IBM. He has been a CEO of several companies, and has been responsible for raising $2 million to fund a startup company called EveryDayPrint.com, which while part of the dot-com boom and bust, he managed to bring to profitability and which still survives to this day.

Donna was an operations manager and PR specialist in the firms they have started together. She has recently been credited by several business leaders in the Bronx as being "top spokesperson for the Bronx." She is active in many community development projects, such as participating on the Board of the Bruckner Arts and Antique District, and working to promote many Bronx activities through an online newsletter called Cupcake Kaleidoscope.

Joseph was the leader of the Open Source Sig for the New York Software Industry Association. And was track co-chair for Open Source at the 2001 New York Software Industry Summit. He was on the advisory board for PostgreSql, Inc - the leading Open Source Database and has had articles published by Lutris Technologies and Open Magazine on Open Source business models and technology solutions. He is a database expert with extensive Fortune 500 experience. Among other awards, he won an IBM Division Award for Technical Excellence.

From magazine "Open" issue September 2001 - "The McElroys kick open the doors of old business models and capitalize on what they believe." The McElroys have achieved re-known as Open Source visionaries with interviews by Interactive Week, Infoworld, Fortune Technology, Open magazine, and others. Joseph and Donna make no claims of divine insight, but in review by Lewis Lacock, it is said, "that this dynamic duo of art are the closest things we have to true shamans today". They are doing their best to pursue the knowledge to support such claims someday.

HIGHLIGHTS

* Achieved reputation as Open Source visionarys with interviews by Interactive Week, Infoworld, Fortune Technology, Open magazine among others.
* National Columnist on Money Matters for Gather.com.
* Judge for the Advanced Technical Categories of the Emmys.
* Successfully raised $2 million funding for startup.
* Successfully built and sold two technology businesses.
* First Entry into the Multimedia wing of the Museum of Computer Art.
* Artwork collected by the Library at Cornell University.
* Artwork in the collection of Rhizome.org.
* Developed first ever Exhibition Catalog completely on CD Rom. Done for Alternative Museum. Reviewed by New York Times.
* Selected to attend first ever Summer Institute for Performance Art at The Kitchen in NYC.
* IBM Division Award for Technical Excellence.
* Various academic, mathematic and scholarship awards. Attended Duke University on a full scholarship in mathematics.
* Poetry published in various journals. Art exhibited in museum shows.
* Certificate of Artistic Excellence from Congressman Jose Serrano.
* Recognized by Bronx Borough President Aldofo Carrion for contributions to the community.
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DISCUSSION

Re: Your role in stopping the war against Iraq


> I know that this discussion has been going on for a long time and it is a
> lot of text to read if you were to catch up with everything that we
> discussed. So, I'm not going to criticize you for missing these statements

I didn't miss, they are not applicable.

> that I made before you posted your first one. And I also made it clear
> several times that I am more than willing to acquire knowledge on this
> issue. And also, it seems rather irrelevant to me to have to prove to you my
> willingness.

Willingness is not passive acceptance of conversations. You converse with me to
prove your point of view (your are not expressing, you are proving), to
convince me of your point of view you must convince me of your willingness.

> Be that as it may. This is not something we can constructively discuss, for
> it is, as you said, impossible to define.

It is possible to know. We discuss here, for I see your argument for neutrality
to be an argument for apathy.

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Quoting Dyske Suematsu <dyske@dyske.com>:

> Hi Joseph,
>
> > You demonstrated a compassion for loss of life on both sides of
> > the equation
> > (to put it in neutral terms), yet are not making the effort to
> > calculate (via
> > knowledge acquisition) where the balance lies. Rather, you are defending
> > inaction (unwillingness to pursue further) with a neutral
> > position. I would be
> > speculating if I called the reason for this as insensitivity,
> > cowardness or
> > laziness.
>
> I know that this discussion has been going on for a long time and it is a
> lot of text to read if you were to catch up with everything that we
> discussed. So, I'm not going to criticize you for missing these statements
> that I made before you posted your first one. And I also made it clear
> several times that I am more than willing to acquire knowledge on this
> issue. And also, it seems rather irrelevant to me to have to prove to you my
> willingness.
>
> "But I still insist that we take it easy. Anger can distort our thinking.
> More than ever, we need to think clearly. I very much appreciate most of the
> comments you've all raised. They are valuable perspectives. For me, this is
> only a part of the learning process."
>
> "Though you do not see me ostensively acting for the Iraq situation, that is
> a result of my careful consideration of my own beliefs. My attitude may
> change later, but by no means, I am apathetic. If I were, I would not be
> involved in a discussion like this."
>
>
> > You can't define "the truth" but you can know it. I know if you
> > jump up you
> > will come back down...however you will then try to define your
> > way out..."what
> > if I were in outer space and such and such" The truth is subject to our
> > experience of reality. You can "say" all is possible, but action makes it
> > possible.
>
> Be that as it may. This is not something we can constructively discuss, for
> it is, as you said, impossible to define.
>
> -Dyske

DISCUSSION

Re: Your role in stopping the war against Iraq


Quoting Dyske Suematsu <dyske@dyske.com>:

> If you define it so, but this definition does not have much relevance to
> what we are speaking of. By this mathematical definition, Halle Berry, or
> anyone who is half black and half white, will be forced to side with one
> race or the other. Say, for instance, your mother is white and you traced
> her side of the family and found that your great great grandfather was also
> half black. Say, this will make you roughly 51% black and 49% white. By your
> definition, you will be forced to declare yourself black because there is no
> degrees of neutrality. For me, for all intents and purposes, I would respect
> your stance to stay race-neutral in your identity.

Why take sides? If you accept a dualistic approach, then you entered the
mathematical and must be precise. If you don't recognize the difference, then
there is no side. You answer is mixing different domains.

>
> > You are not neutral - you are undecided due to lack of knowledge
> > and unwilling
> > to make a commitment with only gut instinct to go on and
> > unwilling to pursue
> > the knowledge needed to make an informed decision.
>
> This is only your speculation, so I can't comment on this. I personally feel
> that I make enough efforts to learn from others and share my views with
> others in order to better inform myself, but if you are telling me that what
> I am doing is not enough (though you have no way of knowing), then be that
> as it may.
>

This is not speculation, you told me of your lack of knowledge and demonstrated
your unwillingness.

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DISCUSSION

Re: Your role in stopping the war against Iraq


Quoting Dyske Suematsu <dyske@dyske.com>:

> Hi Joseph,
>
> Your question:
> "You will have to explain to me the degrees of neutrality for this I do not
> comprehend. I would expect an actual state of neutrality to be a state where
> success/failure, pro/con, yes/no, for/against does not exist."
>
> I did give several examples of this. (e.g. Halle Berry and hermaphrodites)

There are no degrees of neutrality, it is an infinitly thin door which
seperates the air inside and outside.

> With respect to my own stance for Iraq, the only binary pair that I am
> neutral to is for/against. This neutrality is a result of my careful
> consideration of the merits and demerits of the war, but of course this is
> limited by my knowledge and understanding of the situation. All the
> arguments that many people on this list have expressed against the war has
> been taken into consideration, and they have influenced my position to a
> degree. But there are also arguments for the war in order to counter the
> violence that Saddam inflicts on the people of Iraq. I agree with many that
> this is only an excuse for Bush to go to war when in fact his main motive is
> oil. However, independent of Bush's motive, the facts still exist for the
> need of a humanitarian intervention. I am not completely convinced that
> despots such as Hitler could have been countered by non-violent measures.
>
> If what they are telling us about what Saddam is doing to his people are
> true (various tortures and threats) then I sincerely feel for them. How many
> more people must he torture and kill before we do something about it? My
> concern for this isn't about who is more evil. The US has been, and probably
> still is, involved in evil deeds. Some may view it as just as evil as Iraq,
> but that is a separate issue we need to discuss. What we do with Iraq is the
> topic of discussion here. And, my honest answer is: I don't know, since the
> pros and the cons seem to balance each other out. If this offends some
> people, all I can say is that I'm sorry.
>

You are not neutral - you are undecided due to lack of knowledge and unwilling
to make a commitment with only gut instinct to go on and unwilling to pursue
the knowledge needed to make an informed decision.

I still am struggling with a decision for the same reasons you give.

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DISCUSSION

Re: Your role in stopping the war against Iraq


Quoting Dyske Suematsu <dyske@dyske.com>:

> "failed to be neutral" but I can only try what I am capable of. It is not
> like there is a clear line between success and failure.

You will have to explain to me the degrees of neutrality for this I do not
comprehend. I would expect an actual state of neutrality to be a state where
success/failure, pro/con, yes/no, for/against does not exist.

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Quoting Dyske Suematsu <dyske@dyske.com>:

> Hi Joseph,
>
> My original intent of this discussion was not to clarify what my neutral
> position consist of. It was only a circumstantial point. But I appreciate
> your agreement that neutrality can be a legitimate position. Perhaps, I
> "failed to be neutral" but I can only try what I am capable of. It is not
> like there is a clear line between success and failure.
>
> -Dyske
>
> > Actual neutrality would require a tremendous amount of knowledge and an
> > advanced emotional maturity. People are not buying either,
> > thinking it is an
> > artificial pose. You have a long way to go to create belief in
> > your ability to
> > be neutral. And the full course of neutrality would require not
> > only inner
> > convincing, but outer as well. You fail to be neutral.

DISCUSSION

Re: Your role in stopping the war against Iraq


> defending myself from the criticisms on this list for my neutrality. My
> neutrality seems to be offending some people, which I do not see why it
> should.

Actual neutrality would require a tremendous amount of knowledge and an
advanced emotional maturity. People are not buying either, thinking it is an
artificial pose. You have a long way to go to create belief in your ability to
be neutral. And the full course of neutrality would require not only inner
convincing, but outer as well. You fail to be neutral.

joseph & donna
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Quoting Dyske Suematsu <dyske@dyske.com>:

> Hi Ivan,
>
> I certainly do not want to imply that she has no right to call herself
> black. My disappointment is indeed a selfish one. I simply wished that more
> people would be willing not to identify themselves so much in terms of black
> and white, which end up contributing to our schismatic way of seeing people.
> But, this is a free country. She can do whatever she wants.
>
> "Sorry, I don't get this. I don't understand why you are personally
> affronted or feel it impacts on your when people make decisions about where
> they stand and who they are."
>
> Aside from my selfish disappointment, I agree with you. That is why I'm
> defending myself from the criticisms on this list for my neutrality. My
> neutrality seems to be offending some people, which I do not see why it
> should.
>
> "Just because something takes a 'great deal of effort' does not mean it is
> inherently a good thing."
>
> True also. This also applies to the views of anti-war and pro-war.
>
> --
> Dyske Suematsu
> http://www.dyske.com
> Where Nothing Is Everything
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