joseph mcelroy
Since 2002
Works in New York United States of America

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The McElroys are a husband and wife collaborative artist, technology, and business team who bring significant artistic, technology and community development skills to Corporate Performance Artists. Joseph, is a graduate of Computer Science from Duke University and a former team leader at IBM. He has been a CEO of several companies, and has been responsible for raising $2 million to fund a startup company called EveryDayPrint.com, which while part of the dot-com boom and bust, he managed to bring to profitability and which still survives to this day.

Donna was an operations manager and PR specialist in the firms they have started together. She has recently been credited by several business leaders in the Bronx as being "top spokesperson for the Bronx." She is active in many community development projects, such as participating on the Board of the Bruckner Arts and Antique District, and working to promote many Bronx activities through an online newsletter called Cupcake Kaleidoscope.

Joseph was the leader of the Open Source Sig for the New York Software Industry Association. And was track co-chair for Open Source at the 2001 New York Software Industry Summit. He was on the advisory board for PostgreSql, Inc - the leading Open Source Database and has had articles published by Lutris Technologies and Open Magazine on Open Source business models and technology solutions. He is a database expert with extensive Fortune 500 experience. Among other awards, he won an IBM Division Award for Technical Excellence.

From magazine "Open" issue September 2001 - "The McElroys kick open the doors of old business models and capitalize on what they believe." The McElroys have achieved re-known as Open Source visionaries with interviews by Interactive Week, Infoworld, Fortune Technology, Open magazine, and others. Joseph and Donna make no claims of divine insight, but in review by Lewis Lacock, it is said, "that this dynamic duo of art are the closest things we have to true shamans today". They are doing their best to pursue the knowledge to support such claims someday.

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* Achieved reputation as Open Source visionarys with interviews by Interactive Week, Infoworld, Fortune Technology, Open magazine among others.
* National Columnist on Money Matters for Gather.com.
* Judge for the Advanced Technical Categories of the Emmys.
* Successfully raised $2 million funding for startup.
* Successfully built and sold two technology businesses.
* First Entry into the Multimedia wing of the Museum of Computer Art.
* Artwork collected by the Library at Cornell University.
* Artwork in the collection of Rhizome.org.
* Developed first ever Exhibition Catalog completely on CD Rom. Done for Alternative Museum. Reviewed by New York Times.
* Selected to attend first ever Summer Institute for Performance Art at The Kitchen in NYC.
* IBM Division Award for Technical Excellence.
* Various academic, mathematic and scholarship awards. Attended Duke University on a full scholarship in mathematics.
* Poetry published in various journals. Art exhibited in museum shows.
* Certificate of Artistic Excellence from Congressman Jose Serrano.
* Recognized by Bronx Borough President Aldofo Carrion for contributions to the community.
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DISCUSSION

Re: [thingist] I never claimed to be a Shaman


Quoting "-IID42 Kandinskij @27+" <death@zaphod.terminal.org>:

>
> Shamans with a Modem: Joseph and Donna McElroy
>
> http://www.suite101.com/article.cfm/15239/94995
>

I didn't write that, Einstien, but thanks for spreading the word.

Joseph

DISCUSSION

Re: legal matters


You know, when I talk to my Aunt Polly and get her all angry about not
believing in the "Truth" of the bible, she'll get out her little black book and
start quoting scripture. "How can ya argue with that" she'll say.

I tell her a little story about the Devil and one of his disciples walking down
the road when they come upon a man with a rapturous look upon is face. "What
is the look upon this man" asks the disciple of the Devil. "He has found a
truth" says the Devil. "Aren't you concerned" says the disciple. Devil says
"Naw, he is about to write it down as a belief, and others are about to make it
a religion. That is good for business."

You sound like my Aunt Polly. Do you want a cracker?

Joseph

Quoting "-IID42 Kandinskij @27+" <death@zaphod.terminal.org>:

> On Tue, 15 Oct 2002 joseph@electrichands.com wrote:
>
> > Oh my gawd, he just cursed my entire family.
>
> Nobody 'cursed' your family. Nobody attempted to curse your family.
> Your myopic misunderstanding of Reality hasn't got anything to do
> with the powerless peasant wannabe 'ideas' swimming in your brain.
> Whether you choose to acknowledge this or not, reality is not a matter
> of opinion, and you're subject to laws whether you're aware of them or
> not.
>
>
> > I didn't teach the parrot to say curses.
>
> You cannot teach anything to anybody.
> That self-important 'simply Superior' posture is ridiculous,
> and so is your slighting attempt at 'humor' which is a cowardly
> way of pretending that what is going on isn't.
>
> > Next he will be giving out fatahs.
>
> Not likely.
>
> You're simply an idiotic con-man.
>
> > Fear is a useful conversion technique is it not?
>
> This is no fear dearest. You are simply a CON-MAN.
> A liar. On numerous occasions you take advantage of people.
> Why don't you address what I wrote about your wounding
> humans and then licking their wounds 'establishing a
> friendly bond'? Such a nice guy.
>
> You're impotent, weak, cowardly, incompetent, and powerless.
> Even if I were_ capable of fear, there wouldn't be anything
> to be afraid of.
>
> > BTW - there does not exist a "no-longer subject to human nature BEING".
>
> Certainly it does. Always has. And those are the real Shamans.
> As well as Zen monks, gnostic christians, artists proper,
> buddhists, various religious figures proper, etc.
>
> Your ignorance is pathetic.
>
> > (Unless they were born on Mars or someplace else).
>
> Being born on Mars hasn't got anything to do with it.
> The purpose of all evolutionary teaching is liberation
> from the human form. Including Shamanism.
>
> > Nor certain LAWS which are inhuman.
>
> Rather the opposite. All laws are inhuman.
>
> > You are claiming these to establish yourself as a power,
>
> I am not claiming these. These laws are subject to Shamanism, Zen,
> Buddhism, Hinduism, gnostic Christianity, Voodoo, African Religions,
> Art--classical and otherwise, etc. And they are there.
>
> The entire reason why you are attempting to present this
> as some sort of 'ego-game' on my part is because if any sort
> of real and immutable standards appear, your worthlessness, weakness,
> and impotence will become even more readily transparent than they are.
>
> I don't need to establish myself as a power. I AM.
>
> > a purely ego-based drive to establish identity.
>
> Power hasnt got anything to do with the ego.
> Nor do I have an ego--stomp your foot as you please.
> Nor are you qualified to judge other people's egos.
>
> > It is an old, sad song.
>
> No, it isn't. There is nothing OLD or SAD about it.
> In fact it's perfectly clear and joyful.
> It is only in your sado-masochistic ego impotence
> that you project 'weakness' 'fear' 'sadness' etc.
>
> Continuously you attempt to project fear, anger, etc
> on it--when there ISN'T ANY.
>
> Only paranoid weaklings act like you in the face of
> sheer energy and nothing else.
>
> > And you keep thinking
>
> No dearest, I am not thinking.
> You may froth at the mouth as much as you please,
> but thinking I will not be.
>
> > that I am doing the same thing,
>
> You are. You are a mechanical twit.
>
> > justifying
>
> I am not justifying anything.
>
> > your conviction
>
> I have no conviction.
>
> > by believing
>
> I am not believing anything.
>
> > that I am trying to be a Shaman. I am not. Never said I was.
>
> On the contrary. And nomadism, performances, masks, personas, etc--
> are all derived from performance artists involved with shamanism.
>
> Here's a little quite for you from Marina Avramovic, who by the way
> is widely recognized as one of the 'grandmothers of performance art':
>
> Q: With your work you contribute to that process of becoming more aware?
> Abramovic: I am more interested in dying.
>
> You're 'running' around throwing your destructive juvenile impulses
> around without a clue what you're doing, and claiming this to be
> 'performance art' and 'research' etc. You are capable of neither.
>
> Nevermind the juvenile response of whoever doesn't 'get' my art
> is 'playing my game' 'in my control' 'afraid of me' etc.etc.
>
> Nevermind your attempted idiocy of presenting this as an
> 'ideological war'. You are not capable of such feats either,
> as you're continuous 'victim' of various forms of propaganda--
> which is what you are acting out with your 'performances'.
>
> And I'd like to see you try on all of this, and the below
> WITHOUT getting personally offended--as you always do, and hence
> your pseudo-humorous attempts of 'reactions'.
>
> > People who claim to be "a no-longer subject to human nature BEING" are
> > asking others to accept their authority
>
> No, they aren't. Authority is not a matter of whether others accept
> it or not. There are 'teaching' exceptions in which the receiver is
> asked to accept the authority of (trust) the transmitter until it
> can perceive matters for itself.
>
> Whether you accept ir or not, authority is. A very simple, and
> non-argumentative example of non-human external authority is that you
> are born to die. You can twist it this and that way, but you'll arrive
> at the same. You can accept it, not accept it, agree, disagree,
> pretend it's not there, ignore it, etc.--but it's still there.
>
> Additionaly, it is one of the senses or attributes of a conscious
> being--to the degree applicable in each case. Authority is something
> conscious beings are encouraged to cultivate--and it hasn't got anything
> to do with the ego, unless the two are conflated.
>
> > based upon mysterious knowledge that only they and a
> > few have. It is pretty much bull shit.
>
> No dearest. It isn't. There is nothing 'mysterious' about
> that knowledge--not in the way you imply it--and yes, it is
> available to very few. It does not have to be that way at this point--
> due to these 'laws' you so fervently attempt to deny--though that
> can also change.
>
> I've already written about this as well, so shove your delusional
> accusations. Your actions however have on a number of occasions
> damaged--or attempted to damage humans so that they cannot achieve
> this state.
>
>
> > I'm the white-gold wielder and you ain't getting in here.
>
> Hardly. You're a delusional egotistical ape.
>
> Now here's a little quotation for you, from a certain
> very lovely and not human individual. maybe you can try and argue
> with it just like you tried to argue with the author of
> 'convincing people'.
>
> The Way is basically perfect and all-pervading. How could it be contingent
> upon practice and realization? The Dharma-vehicle is free and untrammelled.
> What need is there for concentrated effort? Indeed, the
> whole body is far beyond the world's dust. Who could believe in a means to
> brush it clean? It is never apart from one, right where one is. What is
> the use of going off here and there to practice?
>
> And yet, if there is the slightest discrepancy, the Way is as distant as
> heaven from earth. If the least like or dislike arises, the Mind is lost
> in confusion. Suppose one gains pride of understanding and inflates one's
> own enlightenment, glimpsing the wisdom that runs through all things,
> attaining the Way and clarifying the Mind, raising an aspiration to
> escalade the very sky. One is making the initial, partial excursions about
> the frontiers but is still somewhat deficient in the vital Way of total
> emancipation.
>
> >> Need I mention the Buddha, who was possessed of inborn knowledge?
>
> Please, honored followers of Zen, long accustomed to groping for the
> elephant, do not be suspicious of the true dragon.
>
> >> Devote your energies to a way that directly indicates the absolute.
>
> Revere the person of complete attainment who is >>beyond all human
> agency<<.
>
> Reality dearest is reality.
>
> xoxo

DISCUSSION

Re: Re: [thingist] I never claimed to be a Shaman


We stopped by the bag lady yesterday. Cept now she makes hats. We are going to
trade her a web site for a new hat. They are pretty nice hats, leather and
velvet. I hope they don't make me look silly.

Joseph

Quoting "-IID42 Kandinskij @27+" <death@zaphod.terminal.org>:

> On Wed, 16 Oct 2002, furtherfield wrote:
>
> > Give it a rest you bitter old hag
>
> I am not bitter nor a hag.
> You post drivel, expect the consequences, and enough with your whining.
>
> > - or should i say 'Punkassbitch'?
>
> Should you? Are you that flat?
>
> > There you go - you are uncovered.
>
> I am hardly uncovered.
> I've made occasional posts pointing to that website for years now.
>
> > What's it like being naked losing your mask?
>
> I am not 'losing my mask'. Nor are you capable of dismantling anyone's
> mask. Idiotic peasant.
>
> > Please do not bother me again,
>
> Go jump from a cliff :)
>
> > I'm very busy at the moment.
>
> Sure are.
>
> > Got a very exciting life to explore & you ain't part of it - bye bye.
> >
> Yet another idiotic childish pose.
> *I got a life and you don't*
> Somehow attempting to elevate your self-importance at the expense
> of others.
>
> Exciting life dearest, produces exciting individuals.
> You're not one, and you are incredibly limpid with regards
> to life-force. Not only that but you confuse disciplined energy
> with 'bitterness'
>
> > best wishes to everyone else who has a more than bitterness...
>
> U-hu. Go take another shot of whiskey and sedate yourself a bit more.
> With your 'exciting life'.
>
> Btw, weren't you going to NOT reply anymore? :))
>
>
> `, . ` `k a r e i' ? ' D42
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DISCUSSION

Re: [thingist] I never claimed to be a Shaman


My son loves to hear me sing. When he was three, his favorite song was "Little
Bunny Foo-Foo", which has a refrain of "Little Bunny Foo-Foo, hopping through
the forest, picking up the field mice, and bopping them on the head". I'd sing
this for him and hop around the room like an idiot to get him to giggle. I
love to hear a three-year old laugh.

Joseph

Quoting "-IID42 Kandinskij @27+" <death@zaphod.terminal.org>:

> On Tue, 15 Oct 2002 joseph@electrichands.com wrote:
>
> > What is going on is
>
> Nothing of the below *drivel* that you want to present as what's goin
> on:
>
> > that you made a mistake
>
> I didn't make a mistake. I've addressed this article before,
> in my posts to you, and on more than one occasion. Secondly,
> I addressed your claims to Shamanism otherwise.
>
>
> > and are trying to hide it with a straight forward,
> > non-stop,
>
> I am not trying to hide anything, idiot.
> The article was posted as is.
> Only in your 'weakness-seeking' delusional brain
> am I trying to hude anything.
>
> > obtuse style of attack (yes I know, you are not attacking).
>
> Indeed not.
>
> > By refusing to fall prey to slights made at your expense,
>
> You are not making anything 'at my expense' luv.
> It's all at your own expense, and a heavy price it is too.
>
> > continuing to doggedly pursue your victim,
>
> There is nothing 'dogged' about my actions.
> Nor am I victimizing you. You have a way out,
> and the way out is not that of a whining con-man.
> The other way out is for you to leave.
> take your pick.
>
>
> > you probably have conquered many people.
>
> I've no interested in 'conquering' people.
> Your myopic misinterpretations of my actions are your own problem.
> When YOU choose to come into INTERACTION with me however,
> especially in the manner that you did, and with idiotic
> assumpting that all is A-Ok, and it's all a game,
> with your disrespectful attitude towards every single force
> functioning in the universe, and attempt idiotic push-button tricks,
> and simpleton mindfuck games, you will receive the wrong end of
> the stick and JUSTLY so.
>
>
> > Or shut up most of your critics.
>
> What 'critics'? What the fuck is criticism?
> Take your juvenile attitude towards life elsewhere.
> Criticism is a useless gab of the mouth; it accomplishes nothing.
>
> Besides, don't attempt to make yourself 'one of many' to add weight
> to some screaming victim poor me image. This is about YOU and only YOU.
> There are no 'people'.
>
>
> > Thus you think you have discovered a technique of power,
>
> I do not think. And your idiotic insistence on the matter is laughable.
> Power is not a matter of techniques, and I didn't 'discover Power, it
> discovered me.
>
> Secondly, you're simply repeating in a rephrased manner what I wrote
> about you. Scram, shithead.
>
> > a TRUTH.
>
> There is no 'a TRUTH'. And Truth and power are not necessarily related.
> Power is only one aspect of truth, and not that interesting one, really.
> It's a facilitator for accomplishing things.
>
>
> > Clenching your mind, holding tight,
>
> There is no clenching of any minds here, dearest.
> My mind is clear, clear, still, relaxed, and absolutely empty.
>
> > and pushing through obstacles is blindness and bluntness.
>
> You are talking about yourself. I have no obstacles, am neither blind
> nor blunt. Unlike you. So keep your myopic projections to yourself.
>
> I wrote this before, and I will again, only an idiotic cowardly
> shithead reacts to energy in the manner that you do.
>
> > You might have the strength of a battering ram,
>
> This is NOT what's going on, idiot. Life-force or ki,
> is not muscle-force. Disciplined ki is not violence or brute force.
> take your idiotic and myopic peasant misinterpretations of reality
> elsewhere.
>
>
> > but you fail before a mountain.
>
> I am a mountain, idiot. And your insistent 'bashing'
> is your own failure.
>
> > And you hate this.
>
> I hate nothing. You're talking about yourself.
>
> > You hate that you can't be that strong.
>
> I AM that strong luv, and hence your idiotic failures.
>
> > I am a mountain,
>
> You're a raggedy doll and an imbecile.
> Nobody is 'trying to move you'.
> I am simply obviating the con-man twittism of your behavior,
> and your psychotic mistreatment of others.
>
> As for being a 'mountain'--being an oblivious and dense asleep ape with
> lack of energy does not qualify. You're a numbskull. That is all.
>
>
> > you will never move me.
>
> Ftt.
>
> > I am a hurricane, you will never stand against me.
>
> 'Baa. baa. I'm invincible. I really am. I am a shaman. Master of my
> fate'. Laughable and ignorant idiot.
>
> > My sign is the Spiral and my aspect is the Martyr's Wife.
>
> U-hu. And your favorite wizard robe is bright yellow.
>
> Exactly. A delusional con-man.

DISCUSSION

Re: Re: [thingist] I never claimed to be a Shaman


The first Halloween that my mom let me make a costume was around the age of 7.
We lived in Dallas, Texas then. I made myself a Hobo costume. My mom wanted to
put a smiley face on me, but I wouldn't let her. I knew Hobo clowns had to be
sad.

Joseph

Quoting "-IID42 Kandinskij @27+" <death@zaphod.terminal.org>:

> On Tue, 15 Oct 2002 joseph@electrichands.com wrote:
>
> > Unlike you mister "hidden identity"
>
> I am not 'mister hidden identity'.
>
>
> > I don't PRETEND to be anything.
>
> Yes you do. You're utterly self-delusional.
>
> > My life is out their for the whole world to critique.
>
> Critique?! Haha. The 'whole world' doesn't care about your 'life'.
> I suggest you go try and get a plant to 'critique' your life and bring
> back the results. Thanks, that was a good laugh.
>
>
> > Yours is cloaked
>
> I am not 'cloaked' my dearest. Masking is a natural aspect of
> reality, and it is there for a reason. Nevertheless, that 'mask'
> is easily penetrable by those who can discern or SEE reality,
> and THOSE only. Ie, the truth is available tothose who wish it.
>
> You my dearest are a peasant and a simpleton.
> You want everything stripped, flat, and devoid of life-force.
>
> Humans--among other beings are created to be 'masked' for a reason--
> they carry an 'essence' life-force which needs to be protected.
> Idiotic 'exposure'--which is what you're trying to do is
> against various laws, and leaves the undeveloped human helpless
> to any being who wishes to come and feed on its energy.
>
> This, idiot, is criminal.
>
>
>
> > in fear
>
> Sorry. You may froth as much as you wish, but I lack the capacity to
> experience fear.
>
> > of being discovered a fraud.
>
> I am not a 'fraud' dearest--and even if I were, none of you here can
> 'discover it'.
>
> > Mystery helps the whole mama jama "I know the truth" game
> > don't it?
>
> No, The truth is mystery. reality is not some simplistic and flat
> peasant attitude. Secondly, 'truth' is not subject to knowledge.
>
> Your cheap peasant 'knee-jerks' are not 'revealing'.
>
> As I wrote before, and now again: you're not qualified
> to judge such matters, and there is no way to 'test'.
> You either see or you don't. And you, don't.
>
>
> Hurricane. Bahhaha.
>
> `, . ` `k a r e i' ? ' D42