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BIO
Jim Andrews does http://vispo.com . He is a poet-programmer and audio guy. His work explores the new media possibilities of poetry, and seeks to synthesize the poetical with other arts and media.
Re: Hey you kids - get off my lawn.
The reason some literary forms can continue is not because poets and poetry
readers don't care whether the work is significantly new. It's because when
expectations around a particular form have hardened into stone, departing in
a strong and contemporary vein from those expectations can sometimes result
in fresh experience, fresh work. Though that tactic itself may by now have
been exhausted even in the realm of print. The 'archeological' approach.
If a digital tool has a programming language associated with it then,
depending on how slow it is and how much it actually does allow access to
resources, and how responsive and ranging those resources are, it can have
extrordinary range. There is no proof, and probably never will be, that
there are thought processes of which humans are capable and computers are
not. Which suggests that programmability imbues machines potentially with at
least the range and flexibility of thought itself.
So I am inclined to agree with Alexis. And add that the most definitive
attribute of computers is their programmability. That is what separates them
from other machines. That is what gives them their radical flexibility as
machines. Programming is to digital art what English is to international
communications.
ja
http://vispo.com
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-list@rhizome.org [mailto:owner-list@rhizome.org]On Behalf Of
Jason Nelson
Sent: April 24, 2006 1:06 AM
To: list@rhizome.org
Subject: Re: RHIZOME_RAW: Hey you kids - get off my lawn.
Although I agree with some of the evaluation, something I couldn't place
at first bothered me about Mark's comment. It wasnt so much any exact
phrase but rather the tone of "its been done before".
What is disconcerting is that somehow much of what we do is defined by
the next new use of technology or the next technical innovation or
application
of a theme or idea to that application.
But then it seems if we do that, if we follow this, then we are living in
a hit and run
art field. Where each new idea is brought up, turned into a few works and
then
the rush is on for the next thing.
In poetry certain forms have been around for thousands of years, so who
cares
if someone last year created an interactive video engine for dogs and dog
killers,
and now this year someone wants to do it again. I am thinking hell yes, I
wonder
what that persons take will be on the whole videos for dogs and dog killer
thing.
Sorry for the rant...but wanted to throw a vote out there for all the
rehashes and
repeats. Bravo on your allegiance to historical 2005 or god forbid 2000.
Jason Nelson
readers don't care whether the work is significantly new. It's because when
expectations around a particular form have hardened into stone, departing in
a strong and contemporary vein from those expectations can sometimes result
in fresh experience, fresh work. Though that tactic itself may by now have
been exhausted even in the realm of print. The 'archeological' approach.
If a digital tool has a programming language associated with it then,
depending on how slow it is and how much it actually does allow access to
resources, and how responsive and ranging those resources are, it can have
extrordinary range. There is no proof, and probably never will be, that
there are thought processes of which humans are capable and computers are
not. Which suggests that programmability imbues machines potentially with at
least the range and flexibility of thought itself.
So I am inclined to agree with Alexis. And add that the most definitive
attribute of computers is their programmability. That is what separates them
from other machines. That is what gives them their radical flexibility as
machines. Programming is to digital art what English is to international
communications.
ja
http://vispo.com
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-list@rhizome.org [mailto:owner-list@rhizome.org]On Behalf Of
Jason Nelson
Sent: April 24, 2006 1:06 AM
To: list@rhizome.org
Subject: Re: RHIZOME_RAW: Hey you kids - get off my lawn.
Although I agree with some of the evaluation, something I couldn't place
at first bothered me about Mark's comment. It wasnt so much any exact
phrase but rather the tone of "its been done before".
What is disconcerting is that somehow much of what we do is defined by
the next new use of technology or the next technical innovation or
application
of a theme or idea to that application.
But then it seems if we do that, if we follow this, then we are living in
a hit and run
art field. Where each new idea is brought up, turned into a few works and
then
the rush is on for the next thing.
In poetry certain forms have been around for thousands of years, so who
cares
if someone last year created an interactive video engine for dogs and dog
killers,
and now this year someone wants to do it again. I am thinking hell yes, I
wonder
what that persons take will be on the whole videos for dogs and dog killer
thing.
Sorry for the rant...but wanted to throw a vote out there for all the
rehashes and
repeats. Bravo on your allegiance to historical 2005 or god forbid 2000.
Jason Nelson
Re: Re: Re: Re: considering abstraction in digital art?
> But then I don't think we're
> drifting billions of years from the beginning of existence and
> billions of years from the end of it, and I don't think we're here by
> accident.
Interesting. So when did it all begin and when is it all going to end?
ja?
> drifting billions of years from the beginning of existence and
> billions of years from the end of it, and I don't think we're here by
> accident.
Interesting. So when did it all begin and when is it all going to end?
ja?
Re: problems with commission proposal voting
> yeah I got through them all. But...yes.. there do seem
> to be a number of duplicate proposals... clearly the
> same although worded slightly differently..Also
> whatever the mechanism that took me through the voting
> was, it took me through the 170s or thereabouts about
> four times
that was all part of my experience also.
195 proposals! o my gawd!
nice that we can login and review our 'decisions' until may 3!
if i recall correctly, there are about 250 members of rhizome? 195 of them
put in proposals?
ja
http://vispo.com
> to be a number of duplicate proposals... clearly the
> same although worded slightly differently..Also
> whatever the mechanism that took me through the voting
> was, it took me through the 170s or thereabouts about
> four times
that was all part of my experience also.
195 proposals! o my gawd!
nice that we can login and review our 'decisions' until may 3!
if i recall correctly, there are about 250 members of rhizome? 195 of them
put in proposals?
ja
http://vispo.com
Re: "radical"
Jim:
What is "radical" in an age of terrorism?
MANIK:
Terrorism.
Jim:
Does this mean all the art students who want to be radical artists should
sign up for the Osama bin Laden School of Suddenly Disembodied Poetics?
Perhaps not. Perhaps what is radical in an age of terrorism are things like
non-violent protest and bombing hungry people with food and useful resources
so they are not so hungry, angry and left with little choice but Osama's
school.
What is "radical" in an age of terrorism?
MANIK:
Terrorism.
Jim:
Does this mean all the art students who want to be radical artists should
sign up for the Osama bin Laden School of Suddenly Disembodied Poetics?
Perhaps not. Perhaps what is radical in an age of terrorism are things like
non-violent protest and bombing hungry people with food and useful resources
so they are not so hungry, angry and left with little choice but Osama's
school.
Re: on spam and viruses
The mailia piece was interesting in that it sparked more discussion on the
list than many another art work. Because it wrought havok with the list.
What better than something that directly operates forcefully on a list to
make people on a list take notice? So, yes, I agree that it is of interest.
And maybe it's round n of the 'communications revolution', but it'd sure be
great to see some useful viruses or spam, something toward a greater good,
rather than what is usually the impression one gets from spam and viruses,
which is of infantile willfulness that disregards the will and desires of
those on whom it operates.
What is "radical" in an age of terrorism?
ja
http://vispo.com
list than many another art work. Because it wrought havok with the list.
What better than something that directly operates forcefully on a list to
make people on a list take notice? So, yes, I agree that it is of interest.
And maybe it's round n of the 'communications revolution', but it'd sure be
great to see some useful viruses or spam, something toward a greater good,
rather than what is usually the impression one gets from spam and viruses,
which is of infantile willfulness that disregards the will and desires of
those on whom it operates.
What is "radical" in an age of terrorism?
ja
http://vispo.com