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BIO
Jim Andrews does http://vispo.com . He is a poet-programmer and audio guy. His work explores the new media possibilities of poetry, and seeks to synthesize the poetical with other arts and media.
Re: Dyson at Google + Cathedral down due to author's negligence
> i had a quick look around. The guy just has a lyrical
> temperament, i guess. No immediate evidence of googlish
> paycheques. Wrote a book on what he suggests here: the emergence
> of the web as a global sentient being.
Web as global sentient being eh. Yeah maybe. Does it sound like this:
http://lecielestbleu.com/html/pateason.html ? Goes round and round, through
the network, comes out different places but one music/mind?
> Time machines, creating time, is that what you meant?
When we create stuff, we are (usually) less aware of the time machine
dimension of the work than when we see it a few years later. Then the time
machine is sometimes a portal back to the time it was created. Sometimes it
is a portal to the future. Sometimes it has multiple temporal locations.
Sometimes the machine doesn't work anymore...
But yes, it could also mean 'creating time', as you say. And other things.
I am doing a project involving some older digital poetry (from the eighties)
and the time machine is quite prominent there.
ja
http://vispo.com
> temperament, i guess. No immediate evidence of googlish
> paycheques. Wrote a book on what he suggests here: the emergence
> of the web as a global sentient being.
Web as global sentient being eh. Yeah maybe. Does it sound like this:
http://lecielestbleu.com/html/pateason.html ? Goes round and round, through
the network, comes out different places but one music/mind?
> Time machines, creating time, is that what you meant?
When we create stuff, we are (usually) less aware of the time machine
dimension of the work than when we see it a few years later. Then the time
machine is sometimes a portal back to the time it was created. Sometimes it
is a portal to the future. Sometimes it has multiple temporal locations.
Sometimes the machine doesn't work anymore...
But yes, it could also mean 'creating time', as you say. And other things.
I am doing a project involving some older digital poetry (from the eighties)
and the time machine is quite prominent there.
ja
http://vispo.com
Re: Dyson at Google
But the implication in the article you cite is much more grand than that.
Is this latter day dot commery (high bluster) or is there something more to
it?
ja?
It's hard to tell. I do think the author is referring to 'strong' AI here,
an intelligence that, if any comparison makes sense, supersedes the human
intelligence. To my knowledge Google has not made public anything on trying
to built a globally distributed artificial intelligence, but this can easily
be seen as simply forgetting to mention the fact that everything they are
doing is best defined by those 4 words. If not officially claimed , the
thought seems to be very much alive amongst people who work there.
Personally i guess it's a natural evolution, a becoming of global
intelligence that has been long in the making and our words are just drawing
humanly artificial boundaries that never get really crossed. Google is doing
its part, providing what the market demands: a workable authoritive semantic
ontology based the best of human knowledge. Basically their method is genial
in its simplicity: do not define, let the search define the answer. Ofcourse
the actual enabling of the system involves high complexity and massive data
accumulation.
So is there something more to it? Based on those assumptions, there must
be, what else could be the economic neccessity of doing all that hard,
expensive work?
If you search Google concerning information from the world of print, then
you will have the option to buy any of the books, I imagine, and Google will
get a little bit from each sale. Books are for sale, whereas Web pages
usually are not. It looks to me like you can generate more revenue with
search over a domain that's saleable. And there are probably a lot more
things you can do with that data.
So, yes, they are not about making all information accessible for free.
They are about making as much information accessible as is necessary to turn
a profit.
I share your concerns about Google as monolith moogle.
The Dyson writing does not sound like something from an independent
intellectual. Very techno-lyrical singing the google tune, isn't it?
The notion that we're going to build machines that are going to solve our
problems for us is horseshit. Just like in our own lives we have to solve
our own problems. No one/nothing is going to do it for us.
ja
http://vispo.com
Is this latter day dot commery (high bluster) or is there something more to
it?
ja?
It's hard to tell. I do think the author is referring to 'strong' AI here,
an intelligence that, if any comparison makes sense, supersedes the human
intelligence. To my knowledge Google has not made public anything on trying
to built a globally distributed artificial intelligence, but this can easily
be seen as simply forgetting to mention the fact that everything they are
doing is best defined by those 4 words. If not officially claimed , the
thought seems to be very much alive amongst people who work there.
Personally i guess it's a natural evolution, a becoming of global
intelligence that has been long in the making and our words are just drawing
humanly artificial boundaries that never get really crossed. Google is doing
its part, providing what the market demands: a workable authoritive semantic
ontology based the best of human knowledge. Basically their method is genial
in its simplicity: do not define, let the search define the answer. Ofcourse
the actual enabling of the system involves high complexity and massive data
accumulation.
So is there something more to it? Based on those assumptions, there must
be, what else could be the economic neccessity of doing all that hard,
expensive work?
If you search Google concerning information from the world of print, then
you will have the option to buy any of the books, I imagine, and Google will
get a little bit from each sale. Books are for sale, whereas Web pages
usually are not. It looks to me like you can generate more revenue with
search over a domain that's saleable. And there are probably a lot more
things you can do with that data.
So, yes, they are not about making all information accessible for free.
They are about making as much information accessible as is necessary to turn
a profit.
I share your concerns about Google as monolith moogle.
The Dyson writing does not sound like something from an independent
intellectual. Very techno-lyrical singing the google tune, isn't it?
The notion that we're going to build machines that are going to solve our
problems for us is horseshit. Just like in our own lives we have to solve
our own problems. No one/nothing is going to do it for us.
ja
http://vispo.com
Re: Dyson at Google
I gather that the idea of scanning all those books is to be able to return
search results that allow people to read a paragraph or two from the source,
not have access to the whole book. And spiders or AI will read the books and
index them much like they do with Web content. So, in that sense, yes, they
are scanning all those books to be read by an AI.
But the implication in the article you cite is much more grand than that. Is
this latter day dot commery (high bluster) or is there something more to it?
ja?
"My visit to Google? Despite the whimsical furniture and other toys, I
felt I was entering a 14th-century cathedral - not in the 14th century but
in the 12th century, while it was being built. Everyone was busy carving one
stone here and another stone there, with some invisible architect getting
everything to fit. The mood was playful, yet there was a palpable reverence
in the air. "We are not scanning all those books to be read by people,"
explained one of my hosts after my talk. "We are scanning them to be read by
an AI."
http://www.edge.org/3rd_culture/dyson05/dyson05_index.html
search results that allow people to read a paragraph or two from the source,
not have access to the whole book. And spiders or AI will read the books and
index them much like they do with Web content. So, in that sense, yes, they
are scanning all those books to be read by an AI.
But the implication in the article you cite is much more grand than that. Is
this latter day dot commery (high bluster) or is there something more to it?
ja?
"My visit to Google? Despite the whimsical furniture and other toys, I
felt I was entering a 14th-century cathedral - not in the 14th century but
in the 12th century, while it was being built. Everyone was busy carving one
stone here and another stone there, with some invisible architect getting
everything to fit. The mood was playful, yet there was a palpable reverence
in the air. "We are not scanning all those books to be read by people,"
explained one of my hosts after my talk. "We are scanning them to be read by
an AI."
http://www.edge.org/3rd_culture/dyson05/dyson05_index.html
RE: Turbulence Commission: "Exegesis" by Kushal Dave
Those Google guys, now they're getting weird in a biblical literary vein.
Gotta love it. And a student of Wattenburg! Even better!
ja
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> Sent: November 1, 2005 5:49 AM
> To: jim@vispo.com
> Subject: Turbulence Commission: "Exegesis" by Kushal Dave
>
>
> November 1, 2005
> Turbulence Commission: "Exegesis" by Kushal Dave
> http://turbulence.org/works/exegesis
> Needs Java 1.4 + [see
> http://turbulence.org/works/exegesis/about.html for other
> technical recommendations]
>
> "Exegesis" is an attempt to understand how people quote the Bible
> - which parts they choose to quote, and why. It highlights the
> portions that appear most often on the web and presents excerpts
> from some of them.
>
> The Bible is quoted in a range of contexts: political, academic,
> scientific, ethical, literary, and, of course, religious. All are
> on display, along with careful discussion about the meanings and
> implications of every line. Where the Bible is used to persuade,
> Dave is particularly interested in whether it is treated as a set
> of facts and literal dictates, or as an eloquent expression of
> subjective ideas. Many pages examine the subtleties, ambiguities
> and contradictions in the Bible, while others make explicit
> statements such as "God Hates Fags." "Amidst all this, though,"
> says Dave, "a picture of a beautiful and inspirational Bible
> emerges, with popular passages seemingly just as likely to be
> encouraging as proscriptive."
>
> "Exegesis" places a set of rules in motion. No editorial
> selection is applied.
>
> "Exegesis" is a 2005 commission of New Radio and Performing Arts,
> Inc., (aka Ether-Ore) for its Turbulence web site. It was made
> possible with funding from the Murray G. and Beatrice H. Sherman
> Charitable Trust.
>
> BIOGRAPHY
>
> Kushal Dave is a software engineer at Google, New York, where he
> works on a range of projects. His previous job was at IBM
> Research in Cambridge, where he had the privilege of catching the
> visualization bug while studying Slashdot, emails, and wikis with
> Martin Wattenberg. Kushal has long been obsessed with citation
> and commentary, having produced an annotated version of
> presidential debates and a program to analyze product reviews. He
> has a B.S. in Computer Science from Yale University.
>
> For more information about Turbulence please visit http://turbulence.org
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Gotta love it. And a student of Wattenburg! Even better!
ja
> -----Original Message-----
> From: turbulence@turbulence.org [mailto:turbulence@turbulence.org]
> Sent: November 1, 2005 5:49 AM
> To: jim@vispo.com
> Subject: Turbulence Commission: "Exegesis" by Kushal Dave
>
>
> November 1, 2005
> Turbulence Commission: "Exegesis" by Kushal Dave
> http://turbulence.org/works/exegesis
> Needs Java 1.4 + [see
> http://turbulence.org/works/exegesis/about.html for other
> technical recommendations]
>
> "Exegesis" is an attempt to understand how people quote the Bible
> - which parts they choose to quote, and why. It highlights the
> portions that appear most often on the web and presents excerpts
> from some of them.
>
> The Bible is quoted in a range of contexts: political, academic,
> scientific, ethical, literary, and, of course, religious. All are
> on display, along with careful discussion about the meanings and
> implications of every line. Where the Bible is used to persuade,
> Dave is particularly interested in whether it is treated as a set
> of facts and literal dictates, or as an eloquent expression of
> subjective ideas. Many pages examine the subtleties, ambiguities
> and contradictions in the Bible, while others make explicit
> statements such as "God Hates Fags." "Amidst all this, though,"
> says Dave, "a picture of a beautiful and inspirational Bible
> emerges, with popular passages seemingly just as likely to be
> encouraging as proscriptive."
>
> "Exegesis" places a set of rules in motion. No editorial
> selection is applied.
>
> "Exegesis" is a 2005 commission of New Radio and Performing Arts,
> Inc., (aka Ether-Ore) for its Turbulence web site. It was made
> possible with funding from the Murray G. and Beatrice H. Sherman
> Charitable Trust.
>
> BIOGRAPHY
>
> Kushal Dave is a software engineer at Google, New York, where he
> works on a range of projects. His previous job was at IBM
> Research in Cambridge, where he had the privilege of catching the
> visualization bug while studying Slashdot, emails, and wikis with
> Martin Wattenberg. Kushal has long been obsessed with citation
> and commentary, having produced an annotated version of
> presidential debates and a program to analyze product reviews. He
> has a B.S. in Computer Science from Yale University.
>
> For more information about Turbulence please visit http://turbulence.org
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