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Jim Andrews does http://vispo.com . He is a poet-programmer and audio guy. His work explores the new media possibilities of poetry, and seeks to synthesize the poetical with other arts and media.
Re: problem with rhizome raw
> To stir a hornest's nest
>
> most of the email on raw talks about code
> but isn't content the issue?
>
> It seems intellectual activity has been the 'darling' of the arts
> these last thirty years; and yes it's impressive what thought,
> systems, machines can do, but the fault and weakness of the intellect
> is it's limitation based on knowledge, which is always and by
> definition selective according to one's agenda. This last part,
> hidden motivators, is normally with good reason left unexamined.
>
> I've always thought the popularity of much conceptual and digital
> artwork due not so much to content but rather to it's mimmicry of
> other more powerful and effective social systems (surveillance,
> database, etc.); by appropriating the form it seems to appropriate
> their effectiveness and so reassures the art world that we're on
> track, not being left out of contemporary scientific developments.
> --
>
> Miklos Legrady
Hi Miklos,
What I want to read is a binary poem as though the medium were transformed
to imagination's space, and the poem, whether of words or more recently
digital glyphs, became proof, of sorts, that it was a truly human extension
of the mind and our quandry, though artifice. The idea was to make it fully
human, not literally, but figuratively, fully human as a figure of speech.
So that an artificial intelligence is a figure of speech or code, or
writing, and its life, as art, is the life of art, which is figurative yet
as lively as can be. Similarly, the life in artificial life, as art, is not
artificial life, or even life, but the life of art, which is not about
algorithms and whatnot but how lively it is not so much as entertainment but
as profoundly human creation, realization, recognition, acknowledgement,
third eye of apprehension...
To take a medium and turn it into a part of the brain and senses, a part of
how we think and feel, like print is, or like cinema is, by now, is at least
to have a feeling for its full capacity like we do with our bodies when we
are young and our (stranger and stranger) minds, as we age. The full
capacity of this media/um is hardly yet plumbed, but I would like to
read/experience such a poem plumb, pick it off the net-tree.
Knowledge is involved in this, and so is code, but it isn't the goal. Code
can be fetishized and so can knowledge, as though these were the goals. But
really it's giving this media/um the life of art that we're out to achieve
as artists, isn't it? And that's a matter of putting it all together. The
intellectual, the emotional, the technical, the creative...
ja
http://vispo.com
ps: Have really been enjoying the "NYT art critic reviews Pixar exhibition
at MoMA" thread. In a sense, this is part of that thread, it seems. And
sorry for the poemy post. Couldn't help it.
>
> most of the email on raw talks about code
> but isn't content the issue?
>
> It seems intellectual activity has been the 'darling' of the arts
> these last thirty years; and yes it's impressive what thought,
> systems, machines can do, but the fault and weakness of the intellect
> is it's limitation based on knowledge, which is always and by
> definition selective according to one's agenda. This last part,
> hidden motivators, is normally with good reason left unexamined.
>
> I've always thought the popularity of much conceptual and digital
> artwork due not so much to content but rather to it's mimmicry of
> other more powerful and effective social systems (surveillance,
> database, etc.); by appropriating the form it seems to appropriate
> their effectiveness and so reassures the art world that we're on
> track, not being left out of contemporary scientific developments.
> --
>
> Miklos Legrady
Hi Miklos,
What I want to read is a binary poem as though the medium were transformed
to imagination's space, and the poem, whether of words or more recently
digital glyphs, became proof, of sorts, that it was a truly human extension
of the mind and our quandry, though artifice. The idea was to make it fully
human, not literally, but figuratively, fully human as a figure of speech.
So that an artificial intelligence is a figure of speech or code, or
writing, and its life, as art, is the life of art, which is figurative yet
as lively as can be. Similarly, the life in artificial life, as art, is not
artificial life, or even life, but the life of art, which is not about
algorithms and whatnot but how lively it is not so much as entertainment but
as profoundly human creation, realization, recognition, acknowledgement,
third eye of apprehension...
To take a medium and turn it into a part of the brain and senses, a part of
how we think and feel, like print is, or like cinema is, by now, is at least
to have a feeling for its full capacity like we do with our bodies when we
are young and our (stranger and stranger) minds, as we age. The full
capacity of this media/um is hardly yet plumbed, but I would like to
read/experience such a poem plumb, pick it off the net-tree.
Knowledge is involved in this, and so is code, but it isn't the goal. Code
can be fetishized and so can knowledge, as though these were the goals. But
really it's giving this media/um the life of art that we're out to achieve
as artists, isn't it? And that's a matter of putting it all together. The
intellectual, the emotional, the technical, the creative...
ja
http://vispo.com
ps: Have really been enjoying the "NYT art critic reviews Pixar exhibition
at MoMA" thread. In a sense, this is part of that thread, it seems. And
sorry for the poemy post. Couldn't help it.
Re: Re: the next great idea in molecular biology
> Jim -
>
> Hope you like this - the solution structure of the Cdc13
> DNA-binding domain in complex with telomeric DNA (only Cdc13
> DNA-binding domain shown). It is set to sme of Golan Levin's
> "Dialtones." The movie was rendered in POV Ray, free source.
> Yup, molecular biologists using the tools of computer scientists.
>
> Here's the link:
>
> http://dmoma.org/lobby/movies/cdc13/cdc13.html
>
> Please exuse the atrocious background and back icon. That was
> years ago.
>
> Btw - I will have a new "Brain Scan Movie" up by this weekend.
> Called "Desire."
>
> - Logan
Hi Logan,
As usual, I don't have a clue what it means, but it looks intriguing, like a glyph in a moist molecular language.
I came across a couple of poetical passages by Darwin:
"Man with all his noble qualities, with sympathy which feels for the most debased, with benevolence which extends not only to other men but to the humblest living creature, with his god-like intellect which has penetrated into the movements and constitution of the solar system--with all these exalted powers--Man still bears in his bodily frame the indelible stamp of his lowly origin."
from The Descent of Man (1871)
"There is grandeur in this view of life, with its several powers, having been originally breathed by the Creator into a few forms or into one; and that, whilst this planet has gone cycling on according to the fixed law of gravity, from so simple a beginning endless forms most beautiful and most wonderful have been, and are being evolved."
from The Origin of Species (1859)
ja
http://vispo.com
>
> Hope you like this - the solution structure of the Cdc13
> DNA-binding domain in complex with telomeric DNA (only Cdc13
> DNA-binding domain shown). It is set to sme of Golan Levin's
> "Dialtones." The movie was rendered in POV Ray, free source.
> Yup, molecular biologists using the tools of computer scientists.
>
> Here's the link:
>
> http://dmoma.org/lobby/movies/cdc13/cdc13.html
>
> Please exuse the atrocious background and back icon. That was
> years ago.
>
> Btw - I will have a new "Brain Scan Movie" up by this weekend.
> Called "Desire."
>
> - Logan
Hi Logan,
As usual, I don't have a clue what it means, but it looks intriguing, like a glyph in a moist molecular language.
I came across a couple of poetical passages by Darwin:
"Man with all his noble qualities, with sympathy which feels for the most debased, with benevolence which extends not only to other men but to the humblest living creature, with his god-like intellect which has penetrated into the movements and constitution of the solar system--with all these exalted powers--Man still bears in his bodily frame the indelible stamp of his lowly origin."
from The Descent of Man (1871)
"There is grandeur in this view of life, with its several powers, having been originally breathed by the Creator into a few forms or into one; and that, whilst this planet has gone cycling on according to the fixed law of gravity, from so simple a beginning endless forms most beautiful and most wonderful have been, and are being evolved."
from The Origin of Species (1859)
ja
http://vispo.com
the next great idea in molecular biology
i saw james watson (who's from chicago) on tv tonight (one of the
discoverers of dna). he has a new book out: 'Darwin: The Indelible Stamp;
The Evolution Of An Idea'.
he said that the two greatest ideas, so far, in molecular biology are
darwin's theory of evolution and dna. he also said that an idea of equal
stature, yet to be discovered, is how the brain stores information. the
discovery of that will be the next great idea in molecular biology, he said.
may we live to see that day. we probably will. and computer scientists will
probably be influential therein. because although the biology is paramount,
the possible architectures are not a matter of biology but of data structure
and information processing, which is more the realm of the computer
scientist than the molecular biologist.
watson said that if he were young, that's the problem he would try to solve.
ja
http://vispo.com
discoverers of dna). he has a new book out: 'Darwin: The Indelible Stamp;
The Evolution Of An Idea'.
he said that the two greatest ideas, so far, in molecular biology are
darwin's theory of evolution and dna. he also said that an idea of equal
stature, yet to be discovered, is how the brain stores information. the
discovery of that will be the next great idea in molecular biology, he said.
may we live to see that day. we probably will. and computer scientists will
probably be influential therein. because although the biology is paramount,
the possible architectures are not a matter of biology but of data structure
and information processing, which is more the realm of the computer
scientist than the molecular biologist.
watson said that if he were young, that's the problem he would try to solve.
ja
http://vispo.com
Transom.org: Susan Stone, Liz Dubelman...
Here is an interesting site: http://www.transom.org
I played two strong works on this site.
Linked from the home page is an audio work by Susan Stone called "Here There
is No Moon":
http://www.transom.org/shows/2005/200511_here_there_is_no_moon.html . This
is a piece about suicide. Susan Stone says: "I began by talking to my
mother, who at the age of 83 revealed a 40 year-old secret about her many
attempts at taking her own life while she was a young mother. Hard for me to
get objectivity on that one, but a startling beginning to the gathering of
dozens of stories from many sides of the suicide issue: healthcare workers,
counselors, doctors, poets, philosophers, families, survivors. In fact, the
tape-gathering took place over 10 years."
I first heard Susan Stone's work around 1985 on one of the Tellus cassettes,
along with work by Gregory Whitehead. Really very extrordinary work. Since
then I've heard several other remarkable works by Susan Stone. She's an
important artist, I feel. She and Whitehead seem to have sort of come out of
the same egg, but they are by no means identical twins.
Another strong work is a Flash piece of storytelling by Liz Dubelman called
"Craziest" at http://www.transom.org/video/shows/2004/vidlit/craziest2.swf
(3.3 Mb). You don't have to like Scrabble to enjoy this piece but erm if you
do...
The transom.org site looks like its well worth further exploration.
ja
I played two strong works on this site.
Linked from the home page is an audio work by Susan Stone called "Here There
is No Moon":
http://www.transom.org/shows/2005/200511_here_there_is_no_moon.html . This
is a piece about suicide. Susan Stone says: "I began by talking to my
mother, who at the age of 83 revealed a 40 year-old secret about her many
attempts at taking her own life while she was a young mother. Hard for me to
get objectivity on that one, but a startling beginning to the gathering of
dozens of stories from many sides of the suicide issue: healthcare workers,
counselors, doctors, poets, philosophers, families, survivors. In fact, the
tape-gathering took place over 10 years."
I first heard Susan Stone's work around 1985 on one of the Tellus cassettes,
along with work by Gregory Whitehead. Really very extrordinary work. Since
then I've heard several other remarkable works by Susan Stone. She's an
important artist, I feel. She and Whitehead seem to have sort of come out of
the same egg, but they are by no means identical twins.
Another strong work is a Flash piece of storytelling by Liz Dubelman called
"Craziest" at http://www.transom.org/video/shows/2004/vidlit/craziest2.swf
(3.3 Mb). You don't have to like Scrabble to enjoy this piece but erm if you
do...
The transom.org site looks like its well worth further exploration.
ja