Jim Andrews
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Works in Victoria Canada

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BIO
Jim Andrews does http://vispo.com . He is a poet-programmer and audio guy. His work explores the new media possibilities of poetry, and seeks to synthesize the poetical with other arts and media.
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DISCUSSION

Re: Re: Internet Art Survives, But the Boom Is Over -NY times


> Killing things is a political act...
> Killers of other people's aspirations
> do not have the right to quell what is not theirs...
> marc garret

> Alexei & heath killed it ages ago
> & became with a little helping hand
> from Lev.M ...
> why try to kill it again...
> marc garret

> same ol' shtick: artworld acolyte-victims promote recent
> aspects of technology/media, then gesture as if to close the
> door behind 'their' flash-in-the-pan... never anything
> sustaining...
> brad brace

the above seems more memorable to me than anything i read on the nytimes or
other rhizome posts today.

must say i was a bit disappointed in rachel's remarks, if they're accurately
quoted in the times. on the other hand, i know running a list can be pretty
brutal thankless work and there comes a point when you have to leave and do
something else to maintain your own ability to pursue things with gusto (and
try not to kill it in the leaving).

i am on another list, recently started, populated almost exclusively by
canadian print-based poets very blue about publishing and reviewing etc in
canada. which is one of the reasons some of us moved to the net, to try to
do something different and our own and not have to wait on the approval of
publishers publishing a relatively narrow range of types of work...among
other reasons. it is not less viable an option now than it was in 1995
despite the intervening, significant work on the net, though it would be
fruitless to reiterate that work. trendy fashion statements should not be
mistaken for significant analysis.

the idea and feeling that, more generally, art is dead has been a
significant part of art for quite a while. we labour with the life and death
of art daily, do we not? This is true in the art of poetry and has been for
a long time. It has not been felt so strongly to apply also to net.art
because net.art has been shiny and new. But now we feel it in the same sort
of way we feel it about more traditional arts. As Brad implicitly points
out, it seems to me, simply moving to the next new tech/media to recapture
that sense of (superficial) energy is a fool's game. The 'life' of art is
invisible.

ja

DISCUSSION

your art


all that art
you know
all that art
you never made
that shaped you
you made all of it important
there is no art
that you don't create
except as in a newspaper
or a history book.
those revelations
they're yours
you earned them.
yet we dream for each other.

ja

DISCUSSION

Easter Island


http://www.nybooks.com/articles/16992 is the most interesting article I've
read in a while. It is a review of some books about Easter Island. You know
the statues of Easter Island. This article tells about the society that made
them and how the society fell apart. Quite relevant, also, to our own
situation, in many ways.

ja

DISCUSSION

Re: ANY MORE IDIOT?


Well said, Marc.

We should be able to do a bit better than the governments when it comes to
war and peace. I guess it helps that the only trigger we have is the 'send'
button.

So how do you make peace, Manik and Michael? The world awaits such events
with diminished expectations, yet hopefully.

Oh, and I was wrong--Gibson was wrong--the Net is not a waste of time, it's
just a time of waste.

ja

> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-list@rhizome.org [mailto:owner-list@rhizome.org]On Behalf Of
> marc
> Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2004 4:57 AM
> To: list@rhizome.org
> Subject: Re: RHIZOME_RAW: ANY MORE IDIOT?
>
>
> Hi Manik,
>
> Just because, as you say - you suffered and have experienced hard times,
> does not mean that you are not an idiot. Who is not an idiot every now
> and then?
>
> I have suffered also - but not the same things as you, different - but
> this does not make me better or even more inforemd than others.
>
> To not bother question whether one is an idiot occassionally - is surely
> close to being idiotic its self?
>
> So from one idiot to another - let's move beyond where we all are now,
> stuck in isolation from each other...
>
> You are not my enemy.
>
> marc
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DISCUSSION

thenetis


The net is a waste of time--and that is what is exactly right about it."

William Gibson

ja!