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Jim Andrews does http://vispo.com . He is a poet-programmer and audio guy. His work explores the new media possibilities of poetry, and seeks to synthesize the poetical with other arts and media.
Re: Re: net art?
Hi Salvatore,
"post-media" was invented quite a while ago, i believe. i think it's a guattari term? anyway, check out http://aleph-arts.org/epm/eng , for instance, which has been and gone, but discusses "post-media". Or do you mean post-post-media?
In the "Webs" section of that site, they say
"Without Rhizome, there would be no 'international net.art community', or if there were, it wouldn't have the same form as it does. Rhizome is the place where 'everybody' gets informed and communicates the results of their creative practices on the Internet -and logically it is also the place where everybody goes to find out what's happening. Thanks to this, the form that the net.art community has adopted looks, at least here, like a 'community of media producers' -that is, like one where the audience and the collective of 'broadcasters' tend to coincide. If that is indeed the case, it is due above all to the experience of these kinds of lists, which incite their audience to online participation."
To me, an 'international net.art community' does indeed need some net art.
ja
http://vispo.com
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-list@rhizome.org [mailto:owner-list@rhizome.org]On Behalf Of
> Salvatore Iaconesi
> Sent: July 23, 2006 4:29 AM
> To: list@rhizome.org
> Subject: RHIZOME_RAW: Re: net art?
>
>
> There is this thing.. post-media...
>
> With the death of interaction-design critique is looking for "the
> next thing to sell". So they are inventing post-media.
>
> It is a wonderful theory that effectively creates from scratch
> "something" that can be shown and sold in galleries and events.
>
> Take the various disciplines of digital arts (be them network,
> software, generative.. whatever), apply post-medianism to them,
> and here you go: something materialized in the physical world,
> ready to be given a price tag, and sold.
>
> "We make money, not art", ok. But is the focus changing direction?
>
> The artist "was" dead. And it was a good thing.
>
> Apart from that: welcome to all the event descriptions and
> reportages ( even mine :) ); i read them all. They are
> interesting and show that there is activity and thought, and a
> will to break the barriers running between who's connected and who's not.
>
> s
"post-media" was invented quite a while ago, i believe. i think it's a guattari term? anyway, check out http://aleph-arts.org/epm/eng , for instance, which has been and gone, but discusses "post-media". Or do you mean post-post-media?
In the "Webs" section of that site, they say
"Without Rhizome, there would be no 'international net.art community', or if there were, it wouldn't have the same form as it does. Rhizome is the place where 'everybody' gets informed and communicates the results of their creative practices on the Internet -and logically it is also the place where everybody goes to find out what's happening. Thanks to this, the form that the net.art community has adopted looks, at least here, like a 'community of media producers' -that is, like one where the audience and the collective of 'broadcasters' tend to coincide. If that is indeed the case, it is due above all to the experience of these kinds of lists, which incite their audience to online participation."
To me, an 'international net.art community' does indeed need some net art.
ja
http://vispo.com
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-list@rhizome.org [mailto:owner-list@rhizome.org]On Behalf Of
> Salvatore Iaconesi
> Sent: July 23, 2006 4:29 AM
> To: list@rhizome.org
> Subject: RHIZOME_RAW: Re: net art?
>
>
> There is this thing.. post-media...
>
> With the death of interaction-design critique is looking for "the
> next thing to sell". So they are inventing post-media.
>
> It is a wonderful theory that effectively creates from scratch
> "something" that can be shown and sold in galleries and events.
>
> Take the various disciplines of digital arts (be them network,
> software, generative.. whatever), apply post-medianism to them,
> and here you go: something materialized in the physical world,
> ready to be given a price tag, and sold.
>
> "We make money, not art", ok. But is the focus changing direction?
>
> The artist "was" dead. And it was a good thing.
>
> Apart from that: welcome to all the event descriptions and
> reportages ( even mine :) ); i read them all. They are
> interesting and show that there is activity and thought, and a
> will to break the barriers running between who's connected and who's not.
>
> s
Re: net art?
i was thinking of the rhizome.org web site, actually. most of the works on
the home page are not net art works.
i'm sure the gallery scenes are wonderful, but when i visit rhizome.org i'm
not so much looking for wonderful things in galleries or festivals in new
york and elsewhere as for excellent net art that i can experience without
having to fly to new york.
i'm not positing a conspiracy. you publicize the work you're close to,
knowlegeable about, involved in, getting news about. maybe there just is no
one working on the rhizome site who is heavy duty net art.
ja
http://vispo.com
-----Original Message-----
From: Jason Nelson [mailto:newmediapoet@yahoo.com]
Sent: July 19, 2006 5:23 PM
To: Jim Andrews; list@rhizome.org
Subject: Re: RHIZOME_RAW: net art?
Jim and others,
I agree completely. Well not completely as that implies some sort
of eternal agreement, which might be impossible given recent laws.
But...yes...it does appear there is more notice and less discussion.
So what does all this mean?
The more calls and notices would seem to mean that net art is thriving,
and
that maybe it has moved towards more institutional worlds, than the vague
underground that has charged it along so curiously....
But on reading the calls for work, most of them center on video work
or installation whatnots, or digital prints. I suppose that's galleries
need.
A website doesnt always gather big funds and fancy dress donors.
(although this will change, and rather soon I would imagine).
So maybe the temptation of openings and white walls has moved the
attraction.
Jason Nelson
Jim Andrews <jim@vispo.com> wrote:
is it my imagination or is it the case that there are fewer and fewer
posting on rhizome.org concerning net art, as opposed to news items
about
gallery or museum etc work?
does this reflect more concern among the rhizome people for such work
rather
than net art?
ja?
http://vispo.com
the home page are not net art works.
i'm sure the gallery scenes are wonderful, but when i visit rhizome.org i'm
not so much looking for wonderful things in galleries or festivals in new
york and elsewhere as for excellent net art that i can experience without
having to fly to new york.
i'm not positing a conspiracy. you publicize the work you're close to,
knowlegeable about, involved in, getting news about. maybe there just is no
one working on the rhizome site who is heavy duty net art.
ja
http://vispo.com
-----Original Message-----
From: Jason Nelson [mailto:newmediapoet@yahoo.com]
Sent: July 19, 2006 5:23 PM
To: Jim Andrews; list@rhizome.org
Subject: Re: RHIZOME_RAW: net art?
Jim and others,
I agree completely. Well not completely as that implies some sort
of eternal agreement, which might be impossible given recent laws.
But...yes...it does appear there is more notice and less discussion.
So what does all this mean?
The more calls and notices would seem to mean that net art is thriving,
and
that maybe it has moved towards more institutional worlds, than the vague
underground that has charged it along so curiously....
But on reading the calls for work, most of them center on video work
or installation whatnots, or digital prints. I suppose that's galleries
need.
A website doesnt always gather big funds and fancy dress donors.
(although this will change, and rather soon I would imagine).
So maybe the temptation of openings and white walls has moved the
attraction.
Jason Nelson
Jim Andrews <jim@vispo.com> wrote:
is it my imagination or is it the case that there are fewer and fewer
posting on rhizome.org concerning net art, as opposed to news items
about
gallery or museum etc work?
does this reflect more concern among the rhizome people for such work
rather
than net art?
ja?
http://vispo.com
Re: Re: [NetBehaviour] Fwd: The conscience of the people speaks
> We are living in truly depressing times ruled by truly disgusting
> people...
>
> marc
i remember once seeing an interview with the wife of a mobster. she claimed
she didn't know. she was married to him for a long time. she looked into the
camera when she said it and looked very confused and sincere. maybe if you
manage to successfully live in denial long enough, you do not know that you
know.
second, oddly, one of my fave movies comes to mind: body heat. there's a
scene where the anti-hero talks with the mobster-linked husband whom the
anti-hero and the femme fatale--who is married to the mob-linked business
man--will later murder for his money.
the anti-hero and the husband are talking about a guy whom the husband never
liked, never respected, because "he wasn't willing to do what is necessary".
The anti-hero says "ya i hate that sort of guy; you know, i'm that sort of
guy". the implication had been the guy was not willing to strike down anyone
who got in his way. our nations elect leaders who are "willing to do what is
necessary", in this sense, and our populations react like the first
mobster's wife, as though they don't know.
ja
http://vispo.com
> people...
>
> marc
i remember once seeing an interview with the wife of a mobster. she claimed
she didn't know. she was married to him for a long time. she looked into the
camera when she said it and looked very confused and sincere. maybe if you
manage to successfully live in denial long enough, you do not know that you
know.
second, oddly, one of my fave movies comes to mind: body heat. there's a
scene where the anti-hero talks with the mobster-linked husband whom the
anti-hero and the femme fatale--who is married to the mob-linked business
man--will later murder for his money.
the anti-hero and the husband are talking about a guy whom the husband never
liked, never respected, because "he wasn't willing to do what is necessary".
The anti-hero says "ya i hate that sort of guy; you know, i'm that sort of
guy". the implication had been the guy was not willing to strike down anyone
who got in his way. our nations elect leaders who are "willing to do what is
necessary", in this sense, and our populations react like the first
mobster's wife, as though they don't know.
ja
http://vispo.com
Re: The conscience of the people speaks
A few useful links concerning the situation in Lebanon.
http://electronicintifada.net/v2/diaries.shtml publishes writings of people
currently in Lebanon. Also check out the home page
http://electronicintifada.net :
"The Electronic Intifada (EI), found at electronicIntifada.net, publishes
news, commentary, analysis, and reference materials about the
Israeli-Palestinian Conflict from a Palestinian perspective. EI is the
leading Palestinian portal for information about the Israeli-Palestinian
conflict and its depiction in the media."
Second, Piere Joris is a thoughtful USAmerican writer whose blog at
http://pjoris.blogspot.com gives you his ruminations--and many news
sources--on the matter. His Web site concerning his own writings is
unusually well put together, also: http://pierrejoris.com .
A useful quote culled by Joris: "Fascism should more properly be called
corporatism, since it is the merger of state and corporate power."
http://electronicintifada.net/v2/diaries.shtml publishes writings of people
currently in Lebanon. Also check out the home page
http://electronicintifada.net :
"The Electronic Intifada (EI), found at electronicIntifada.net, publishes
news, commentary, analysis, and reference materials about the
Israeli-Palestinian Conflict from a Palestinian perspective. EI is the
leading Palestinian portal for information about the Israeli-Palestinian
conflict and its depiction in the media."
Second, Piere Joris is a thoughtful USAmerican writer whose blog at
http://pjoris.blogspot.com gives you his ruminations--and many news
sources--on the matter. His Web site concerning his own writings is
unusually well put together, also: http://pierrejoris.com .
A useful quote culled by Joris: "Fascism should more properly be called
corporatism, since it is the merger of state and corporate power."
net art?
is it my imagination or is it the case that there are fewer and fewer
posting on rhizome.org concerning net art, as opposed to news items about
gallery or museum etc work?
does this reflect more concern among the rhizome people for such work rather
than net art?
ja?
http://vispo.com
posting on rhizome.org concerning net art, as opposed to news items about
gallery or museum etc work?
does this reflect more concern among the rhizome people for such work rather
than net art?
ja?
http://vispo.com