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Jim Andrews does http://vispo.com . He is a poet-programmer and audio guy. His work explores the new media possibilities of poetry, and seeks to synthesize the poetical with other arts and media.
Re: Re: Cremaster web site
> >It would be great if the web site were
> the real thing. I tend to like those
> >sorts of sites. Am I unreasonable to
> >expect the real thing from the greatest
> >artist of his generation? All the time
> >and everywhere? Yet I am not outraged.
>
> Yes. It is an unreasonable expectation. It is unreasonable to judge a
> thing which is meant to be a brochure for the art (more or less) as
> the art. And it's not just unreasonable, it's also just plain silly.
>
> If you can't discern the difference I can't help you.
>
> It's also unreasonable to criticize an artist for work you think they
> should make.
Ah, well, not having experienced the work of the greatest artist of his
generation in the media it was truly created for, I am sentenced to
experience only the brochure version. And should remain silent.
> >> it wasn't really a rhetorical statement, just my opinion.
Cool, as long as it's your opinion, t.whid, as an independent intellectual.
> >I thought you said it was american art spam, not new york art
> >spam? isn't the implication that it's known across the land?
> I don't understand what you mean by the above.
You said "more like american art spam."
> I was simply giving a
> smart-ass reply to your (fairly obnoxious) post.
I'd say it was tit for tat then t.whid.
> The post was
> insulting. I'm not employed by anyone to publicize their work and
> it's an insulting insinuation.
To call something art spam is not necessarily to say it's being paid for.
>(I suppose because I called the
> financial pot-shots 'pathetic' you felt you were within your rights.)
Look, you like his work and that's great, you enjoy it, and you think he's
doing important work. but as a critical statement, to say someone is the
greatest artist of their generation just reads to me like ad-minded drivel,
t.whid, salesman talk. I expect more from you and i expect more from great
artists than a brochure site.
> I will amend my earlier comment; I should have said that Barney is
> the greatest american artist of his generation.
>
> disclaimer: this is only my opinion and I have no power either
> through post of rhetorical talent to force this opinion on anyone who
> may feel otherwise. happy?
Last i heard you are still free in your country to speak your mind.
ja
> the real thing. I tend to like those
> >sorts of sites. Am I unreasonable to
> >expect the real thing from the greatest
> >artist of his generation? All the time
> >and everywhere? Yet I am not outraged.
>
> Yes. It is an unreasonable expectation. It is unreasonable to judge a
> thing which is meant to be a brochure for the art (more or less) as
> the art. And it's not just unreasonable, it's also just plain silly.
>
> If you can't discern the difference I can't help you.
>
> It's also unreasonable to criticize an artist for work you think they
> should make.
Ah, well, not having experienced the work of the greatest artist of his
generation in the media it was truly created for, I am sentenced to
experience only the brochure version. And should remain silent.
> >> it wasn't really a rhetorical statement, just my opinion.
Cool, as long as it's your opinion, t.whid, as an independent intellectual.
> >I thought you said it was american art spam, not new york art
> >spam? isn't the implication that it's known across the land?
> I don't understand what you mean by the above.
You said "more like american art spam."
> I was simply giving a
> smart-ass reply to your (fairly obnoxious) post.
I'd say it was tit for tat then t.whid.
> The post was
> insulting. I'm not employed by anyone to publicize their work and
> it's an insulting insinuation.
To call something art spam is not necessarily to say it's being paid for.
>(I suppose because I called the
> financial pot-shots 'pathetic' you felt you were within your rights.)
Look, you like his work and that's great, you enjoy it, and you think he's
doing important work. but as a critical statement, to say someone is the
greatest artist of their generation just reads to me like ad-minded drivel,
t.whid, salesman talk. I expect more from you and i expect more from great
artists than a brochure site.
> I will amend my earlier comment; I should have said that Barney is
> the greatest american artist of his generation.
>
> disclaimer: this is only my opinion and I have no power either
> through post of rhetorical talent to force this opinion on anyone who
> may feel otherwise. happy?
Last i heard you are still free in your country to speak your mind.
ja
Re: Re: Cremaster web site
> Hi Jim,
>
> it's strange that you criticize the work without having seen it.
> reactionary? using the web site as reference for criticism is like
> criticizing paintings that you've only seen reproduced in books or
> magazines. You simply haven't experienced the work.
Hi t.whid,
It would be great if the web site were the real thing. I tend to like those
sorts of sites. Am I unreasonable to expect the real thing from the greatest
artist of his generation? All the time and everywhere? Yet I am not
outraged.
> it wasn't really a rhetorical statement, just my opinion.
I thought you said it was american art spam, not new york art spam? isn't
the implication that it's known across the land?
ja
>
> it's strange that you criticize the work without having seen it.
> reactionary? using the web site as reference for criticism is like
> criticizing paintings that you've only seen reproduced in books or
> magazines. You simply haven't experienced the work.
Hi t.whid,
It would be great if the web site were the real thing. I tend to like those
sorts of sites. Am I unreasonable to expect the real thing from the greatest
artist of his generation? All the time and everywhere? Yet I am not
outraged.
> it wasn't really a rhetorical statement, just my opinion.
I thought you said it was american art spam, not new york art spam? isn't
the implication that it's known across the land?
ja
Re: net.art education and its contents
a different set of courses:
http://www.infocom.cqu.edu.au/Courses/2003/T2/MMST12005/Course_Site/study_gu
ide.shtml
http://mason.gmu.edu/%7Edtaciuch/343.html
http://www.glue.umd.edu/%7Eflores/syllabus.html
http://www.waikato.ac.nz/film/2003papers/205B/205Blinks.html
http://english.ucsb.edu/courses/dept_schedule.asp?CourseID3
http://wings.buffalo.edu/epc/authors/glazier/syllabi/584/584-readings.htm
http://twist.lib.uiowa.edu/stein/newmediasyl.html
http://mason.gmu.edu/%7Erweber2/index.html
and in france they would be different, in germany, all over the world they'd
be different, Abe. just around the corner they'd be different. down the
hall. no centre.
ja
http://www.infocom.cqu.edu.au/Courses/2003/T2/MMST12005/Course_Site/study_gu
ide.shtml
http://mason.gmu.edu/%7Edtaciuch/343.html
http://www.glue.umd.edu/%7Eflores/syllabus.html
http://www.waikato.ac.nz/film/2003papers/205B/205Blinks.html
http://english.ucsb.edu/courses/dept_schedule.asp?CourseID3
http://wings.buffalo.edu/epc/authors/glazier/syllabi/584/584-readings.htm
http://twist.lib.uiowa.edu/stein/newmediasyl.html
http://mason.gmu.edu/%7Erweber2/index.html
and in france they would be different, in germany, all over the world they'd
be different, Abe. just around the corner they'd be different. down the
hall. no centre.
ja
Re: Re: Cremaster web site
> I've said it before and I'll say it again, if there is a greater
> artist of his generation please point that person out to me. (I
> didn't want to like Barney, but remembering the '93 Whitney Biennial,
> his work is the only work in the entire show that I can vividly
> recall.)
i recall reading, some years ago, in the intro to a south african anthology
of poetry (edited by uli bier if i recall correctly) something like 'without
making any pathetic generalizations, it must be acknowledged that there is
now a world poetry.'
yet for the most part, art is a local phenomenon. eternally local. yet there
is on the net a kind of internationalist approach in net.art. not to suggest
that we know the same net.artists. we don't. but one is bound to know of
more foreign net.artist from a wider range of countries than in arts where
communications are not as easily international. four degrees of freedom,
say, rather than eight in print.
some years ago i wrote a thing i titled 'the impossibility of the mere
existence of the great works of the late twentieth century'. not that there
isn't exciting, 'great' work being done, but what makes sense and is 'great'
in one place may not be so great elsewhere.
dispersion. proliferation. synthesis. fracture. connection.
i have a stronger sense of manik's belgrade than barney's new york, for
example.
'greatest artist of his generation' just reads like new york art spam to me,
t.whid.
ja
> artist of his generation please point that person out to me. (I
> didn't want to like Barney, but remembering the '93 Whitney Biennial,
> his work is the only work in the entire show that I can vividly
> recall.)
i recall reading, some years ago, in the intro to a south african anthology
of poetry (edited by uli bier if i recall correctly) something like 'without
making any pathetic generalizations, it must be acknowledged that there is
now a world poetry.'
yet for the most part, art is a local phenomenon. eternally local. yet there
is on the net a kind of internationalist approach in net.art. not to suggest
that we know the same net.artists. we don't. but one is bound to know of
more foreign net.artist from a wider range of countries than in arts where
communications are not as easily international. four degrees of freedom,
say, rather than eight in print.
some years ago i wrote a thing i titled 'the impossibility of the mere
existence of the great works of the late twentieth century'. not that there
isn't exciting, 'great' work being done, but what makes sense and is 'great'
in one place may not be so great elsewhere.
dispersion. proliferation. synthesis. fracture. connection.
i have a stronger sense of manik's belgrade than barney's new york, for
example.
'greatest artist of his generation' just reads like new york art spam to me,
t.whid.
ja
Re: Re: Cremaster web site
> I've said it before and I'll say it again, if there is a greater
> artist of his generation please point that person out to me. (I
> didn't want to like Barney, but remembering the '93 Whitney Biennial,
> his work is the only work in the entire show that I can vividly
> recall.)
I don't live in New York or the States, so Barney's work is kind of low on
my radar. "Greatest artist of his generation." Sounds pretty rhetorical to
me, t.whid. What I saw of the web site so far, I've seen many better web
sites. It is well done, though. I watched the film on the site. 'Ultra
American?' Homage to excess? The notion of "beauty" I see there is
excessive. Ziegfield follies etc.
But will have another look.
ja
> artist of his generation please point that person out to me. (I
> didn't want to like Barney, but remembering the '93 Whitney Biennial,
> his work is the only work in the entire show that I can vividly
> recall.)
I don't live in New York or the States, so Barney's work is kind of low on
my radar. "Greatest artist of his generation." Sounds pretty rhetorical to
me, t.whid. What I saw of the web site so far, I've seen many better web
sites. It is well done, though. I watched the film on the site. 'Ultra
American?' Homage to excess? The notion of "beauty" I see there is
excessive. Ziegfield follies etc.
But will have another look.
ja