Jim Andrews
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Jim Andrews does http://vispo.com . He is a poet-programmer and audio guy. His work explores the new media possibilities of poetry, and seeks to synthesize the poetical with other arts and media.
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DISCUSSION

Re: Stardust stirred with Black Coffee


> Hi Jim,
>
> Sounds kool - I am doing much the same thing presently with cut-up sounds
> form 2-3 different songs or tunes. It is great fun & can come up with some
> pretty good tracks in their own right...editing music for java-script works
> on the net, very much a direction that some of the 'ouch those monkeys'
> tunes have fallen into.

Yes, this is what I did tonight with http://webartery.com/temp/1.htm . Great fun!

I put them into Shockwave because you can compress and loop and code and more or less whatever
the hell you want to visually, concerning code, concerning audio, concerning streaming...though
the above is just a '1-off' that doesn't stream. I kinda like it though and will probably do
more work on it in audio software and also in Shockwave a la Stardust/Black Coffee but round 9.
http://vismu.com/vismu houses much of my Shockwave vismu (all of it there in my own voice).

What are the urls to your work in this vein, Marc?

ja

DISCUSSION

Re: Stardust stirred with Black Coffee


> Hi Jim,
>
> As far as digital sound/Java scripted, flash etc... it is a new experience &
> I am working on it all right now. So you will not get a fair example from my
> other works, although there some oof similar vein conceptually but not in
> function. In fact, back at the ol' furtherfield ranch we are all
> collaborating by creating seperate noises and tunes and then placing them
> into cubase, and adding our own next to the original, which is more
> overlaying and cutting, then of course just enjoying listening to them.
>
> This is the nearest so far but different to your concept - but enjoy anyway
> http://www.furtherfield.org/otmonkeys/docs/reaching_outwards.htm
>
> respect from marc

That's terrific audio, Marc.

I don't know Cubase. So I might not understand what you are getting at. Can you give me more
detail on that? Is Cubase a multi-track audio editor/mixer?

Or is it some kind of unique hybrid like Acid is?

ja

DISCUSSION

Re: Stardust stirred with Black Coffee


> That's great!
> let me guess -you mark sections in both tunes just
> before downbeats & then randomize which one streams in
> at any particular point?
> Did you pitch shift to match key at all or was it just
> careful choice /luck?
> It's nice that the source material *is* so clearly
> there.
> anyway, great stuff
> michael

Thanks, Michael!

All of Stardust is in http://webartery.com/audio/stardust.htm , ie, it is (very) remotely
possible that it could play Stardust from beginning to end without audio gaps. I chopped
Stardust up into perfect loops in Soundforge. The sounds begin on a beat, actually, rather than
a downbeat--it's easier to chop on the beat rather than the downbeat. I don't really even know
what a downbeat is. I know a deadbeat when I see one though. Well, no I don't, actually. So once
I got Stardust chopped up into little lines I sipped the Black Coffee--the rhythms of Black
Coffee are pretty tricky, often, I found, so I couldn't put the whole thing in there like I
could with Stardust.

I didn't use Acid 4 on this at all; it was all hand cut in Soundforge. I didn't have Acid 4. Now
I do! Ooo I love good audio software! What a toy store. I think it would be a lot easier to do
this sort of piece using Acid 4. I did http://webartery.com/temp/1.htm tonight with Acid 4, my
first experiment with it. I like the way it makes accuracy a lot less laborious.

Here's a bit of the Lingo from the Stardust/Black Coffee experiment. I tested every possible
pair of sounds against one another, so when sound Sx plays, what plays next is drawn from the Sx
set. The first 25 sounds are the entirety of Stardust. There are 13 sounds from Black Coffee.

Here's a bit of the code:

on beginsprite me
s1=["1","2","6","8","26","38"] --This is the set of sounds that sound OK after sound 1
s2=["2","3","6","7","9","13","26"] --These sound OK after sound 2.
s3=["2","3","4","5","6","8","10","13","15","26","28","32","38"]
s4=["1","3","4","5","7","8","9","10","13","38"]
s5=["2","3","4","5","6","7","10"]
s6=["1","3","5","6","7","13","26","32"]
s7=["1","2","3","4","5","7","8","9","10","13","15","26","27","32","37","38"]
s8=["2","8","9","13","26","28"]
s9=["1","2","4","5","6","7","9","10","13","26","28","33","38"]
s10=["3","5","7","10","11", "13","14","28","32","34","36","37"]
s11=["1","2","3","7","11","12","13","14","20","26","28","32","35","37","38"]
s12=["1", "2", "3", "6",
"7","11","12","13","14","15","26","27","30","32","33","34","36","37","38"]
s13=["11","13","14","32","35","36","37"]
s14=["1","2","3","7","8","13","14","15","17","26","27","28","30","32","34","36","38"]
s15=["15","16","18","19","28","32","33","36"]
s16=["3","4","5","6","7","13","15","16","17","28","32","34","38"]
s17=["13","15","17","18","33","37","38"]
s18=["16","18","19","29","32","36"]
s19=["19","20","36"]
s20=["19","20","21"]
s21=["21","22"]
s22=["22","23"]
s23=["23","24"]
s24=["24","25"]
s25=[]

s26=["3","4","5","7","9","11","26","27","28","37","38"]
s27=["11","14","27","28","38"]
s28=["13","16","18","19","22","26","28","32","36","37"]
s29=["13","14","15","19","23","29","30","32","34","35"]
s30=["11","12","13","14","18","19","20","28","30","31","32","34","36"]
s31=["3","13","15","26","31","32","34"]
s32=["14","16","17","26","28","32","33","36","38"]
s33=["3","10","11","13","15","17","26","28","30","32","33","35","36","38"]
s34=["8","9","10","11","14","15","17","19","20","29","30","31","32","34","35"]
s35=["12","33","35","36"]
s36=["9","17","23","36"]
s37=["2","3","13","17","26","37","38"]
s38=["2","4","5","7","9","10","11","13","14","17","26","28","32","38"]

pSequenceList=[s1,s2,s3,s4,s5,s6,s7,s8,s9,s10,s11,s12,s13,s14,s15,s16,s17,s18,s19,s20,s21,s22,s2
3,s24,s25,s26,s27,s28,s29,s30,s31,s32,s33,s34,s35,s36,s37,s38]
sound(1).queue(member "1")

pActualList=pSequenceList.duplicate()
repeat with i= 1 to pActualList.count
pActualList=[]
end repeat
pActualListCount = pActualList.count

pNotDownloaded=["1","2","3","4","5","6","7","8","9","10","11","12","13","14","15","16","17","18"
,"19","20","21","22","23","24","25","26","27","28","29","30","31","32","33","34","35","36","37",
"38"]
pNotDownloadedCount=pNotDownloaded.count

me.checkDownloads()
end beginsprite

DISCUSSION

Re: audio software question


Thanks, Pall and Marc,
Although cubase is a fine editor, I love editing in Soundforge. Everythin=
g is more straight foward & the 'EQ' aspect helps also with immediate 'gui'=
imagery so clear (it does exactly what it says on the label). The multi-tr=
ack function on cubase, is exceptional. I found ProTools a bit fiddly & als=
o Audio Logic was a bit of a 'cranium slump', personally. So for me, for th=
at more instinctive & intuitive groove/noise , plus 3 sugars of playful flu=
idity, cubase & soundforge get my vote. But hey! I'll try anything more tha=
n once...

Yes, I like Soundforge also. But I need to quickly be able to edit sounds=
and then test their sound when they're contiguous with multiple other soun=
ds. Or multitracked with different sounds. Like take a few songs, chop em u=
p, or parts of them, and then arrange the parts every which way horizontall=
y and vertically. This can be too time consuming to be much fun, and if it =
isn't fun, I won't be doing it much. So I need to find a tool that lets me =
work quite quickly doing these sorts of operations. Acid is a good choice, =
but I don't like how it 'Acidizes' the sounds. And the playback quality see=
ms questionable.

Anybody know if you can turn the Acidization process right off?

ja

DISCUSSION

audio software question


a question to the people using audio software.

currently i use two programs, predominantly, for creating and editing audio=
: sound forge and cakewalk (and acid occassionally).

it would be nice to use just one.

i use two because sound forge is a great editor of single sounds and cakewa=
lk isn't; and cakewalk is a great multi-track mixing device whereas sound f=
orge isn't.

any programs out there that combine the two functions into one environment?

ja
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