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Jess Loseby is a digital artist from the UK whose main medium is the internet. Her work ranges from small and intimate online installationsto large scale digital projections and video. In a relatively brief time, her work has become known internationally such as the ‘cyber-kitchen’ (lead artist and co-curator) and ‘the Digital Pocket’ (lead artist and co-curator), which is currently listed in the Whitney Artport. In August 2003, she became the first virtual artist in residence at Furtherfield.org (FurtherStudio) one of the first virtual artists residencies of its kind. She has exhibited in digital festivals such as the Split Film Festival, Pixxelpoint 2003, FILE 2003 and the Stuttgart Filmwinter. In 2003 she created interactive digital sets for the production of ‘The Dadaists’ at The Met Theater in Hollywood. Also in 2003 she was also awarded a grant from the Daniel Langlois Foundation, with the resulting work 'views from the ground floor...' being currently exhibited internationally.
Thematically, her projects continue her fascination with borderlands and ‘beautiful seams’ between the ubiquitous worlds of computing and the ‘real’ (domestic). A staunch opponent of new media's absorption with VR, her on and offline installations create flows and streams in the relational space of art and technology. Loseby’s unashamedly low-tech approach to new media build comparisons of the network and digitally (in its frustrations, attention to triviality and repetition) as absurdly compatible to the female domestic routine.
Jess Loseby has 3 children, 2 wheels, 1 husband and 0 days off.
Thematically, her projects continue her fascination with borderlands and ‘beautiful seams’ between the ubiquitous worlds of computing and the ‘real’ (domestic). A staunch opponent of new media's absorption with VR, her on and offline installations create flows and streams in the relational space of art and technology. Loseby’s unashamedly low-tech approach to new media build comparisons of the network and digitally (in its frustrations, attention to triviality and repetition) as absurdly compatible to the female domestic routine.
Jess Loseby has 3 children, 2 wheels, 1 husband and 0 days off.
Re: Intro text for Cory Arcangel's "Data Diaries"
> what i like about how the data dairies render now (through quicktime) -
> is this quality of a non-sensical *expose* of cory's dirty laundry
> dressed up as a (retro) structuralist film.
... it's the dressing up that gets me I guess, I can't help thinking about
emperors...
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> is this quality of a non-sensical *expose* of cory's dirty laundry
> dressed up as a (retro) structuralist film.
... it's the dressing up that gets me I guess, I can't help thinking about
emperors...
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Re: more on Cory Arcangel's "Data Diaries"
there is nothing in Cory's work that hasn't been
> done a million times.
> On the other hand, to say that is to totally miss the point.
...but surely if one is going to dicuss the work under the banner
'conceptual art' (as this was what was being used to describe cory's
work) the 'originality' or 'strength' of the concept should come into it...?
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> done a million times.
> On the other hand, to say that is to totally miss the point.
...but surely if one is going to dicuss the work under the banner
'conceptual art' (as this was what was being used to describe cory's
work) the 'originality' or 'strength' of the concept should come into it...?
j. o
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Re: Re: data diaries
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<div align="left"><font face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10pt">One of the things that I would really
be interested in knowing is what...</span></font></div>
<p><font face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10pt">"</span></font><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span
style="font-size:12pt">But the greatest thing about Cory's net art is that he's not a net
artist. He never was and never will be"</span></font></p>
<p><font face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10pt">is all about in Galloway's introduction. </span></font></p>
<p><font face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10pt">Why and How does that sentence contextualise the
work for me? Will I
see or understand the piece better knowing this? I'm not on the attack I
just would be interested in what people make of this sentence. I know
the debates to whether joshua davis (for example) is a 'real' net artist
affect the way people view his work... Is this why arcangel can (sorry,
marisa) deliver concept over form..?</span></font></p>
<p><font face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10pt">I'm in NY next week (If I can get my wheels past
the snow) and I having
just slurred one of their own I'll probably be having coffee by myself too.
keep yer' mouth shut loseby. </span></font></p>
<p><font face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10pt">j.</span></font></p>
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<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> --> dear all,
i'm taking these a bit out of order, but wanted to </span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> respond to a
few of the things that have been said about _data </span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> diaries_...</span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> </span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> t.whid said:</span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> "All art
builds on what has come before, sometimes it leaps forward, </span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> sometimes it
steps forward. to deny that is to deny how human </span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> creativity functions."</span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> </span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> --> this is
well put and also reminds us of the conceptual & </span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> structural overlaps
between language and visual art (and, perhaps </span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> even more so,
here, its history). let's think of ourselves as working </span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> with a dictionary.
we only have so many words at our disposal. we may </span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> come up with
new ways to combine or alter them, new poetics, new </span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> narratologies,
even, but we are constantly working within the domain </span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> of language and,
whether we like it or not, our use of it--even or </span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> attempts to "deny"
it--simply act to underscore it. that said, it's </span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> great when an
artist (in any medium) can work in a way that is </span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> appropriately
self-reflexive, that is aware of its conditions while </span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> doing something
about or within them. at times, this means going back </span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> to very basic,
root structures. or repeating existing structures for </span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> the sake of controlled,
observable repetition through which the </span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> artist benefits
personally/creatively/intellectually (in learning </span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> form the repetition)
and, hopefully, from which a reader/viewer can </span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> benefit in the
experience of that performative function. arcangel has </span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> done all of this.</span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> </span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> jess loseby said:</span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> "The fact
the final product is weak is just something that we (as </span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> viewers and artists)
seemed to have started to accept as ok in </span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> conceptual art..."
<...> "why not take a bit more time on what the </span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> piece actually
looks like and the aesthetics of the translation...? </span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> Corys work...
looks...so basic."</span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> </span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> --> i think
that the latter would be a compliment to arcangel. this </span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> mostly subjective/comparative
interpretation should not serve to </span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> deface a work
or its "value," should we feel compelled to assign it </span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> one. beyond this,
i am curious why, more specifically, it would be </span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> called "weak."</span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> </span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> lewis lacook
said:</span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> "the thing
about works as conceptual as this is that there's all too </span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> often a poverty
of sensory material...which is the point behind </span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> conceptual work...to
avoid there being any sort of art object at </span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> all...this of
course is a hybrid, and i find this fascinating..." </span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> <...> "codepoetry?
<...> the innerworkings of something we're not </span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> meant to see..."</span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> </span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> --> i'd like
to better understand what you are saying here. i think </span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> that we (those
of us engaged in this discussion) need to better flesh </span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> out our use of
the term "conceptual," as i do not see "minimalist" </span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> or, as i said,
"arte poverte" being wholly constitutive of </span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> "conceptual"
art, nor is the latter an appropriate description of </span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> _data diaries_.</span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> </span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> --> "codepoetry"
is a great term and quite applicable, here. of </span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> course, rather
than having a revelation of the code, there is a new </span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> iteration or
translation of the code, into another, visual lexicon...</span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> </span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> michael szpakowski
said:</span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> "What makes
all the above notable for me?- engagement with the human </span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> and with the
human being in society; high degree of technical ability </span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> (and a willingness
to undertake drudgery) sometimes bordering on </span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> virtuosity but
not to an obsessional extent & rarely entirely for </span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> it's own sake;
universality - relatively independent of context -even </span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> though often
very much of it's time nevertheless it resonates for us </span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> now.. ..and I
think I'd want to argue that somewhere in there lies a </span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> framework for
what justifies art as a human activity." {and}: "(in </span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> the long run
we're all dust) but not in the historical, hundreds of </span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> yearsy medium
term scale which is the only really graspable and </span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> meaningful one
for us humans- us and our culturally preserved </span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> memories"</span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> </span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> --> i find
this interesting criteria and, just for the sake of </span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> dragging it out,
i'd like to lay it over _data diaries_. DD is an </span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> autobiographical
project and its basic elements are unique to so many </span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> of us. (both
its content and delivery vehicle.) this is, in fact, </span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> quite "human."
i would also absolutely say that arcangel's work is </span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> "virtuoso"
(with all the flair that connotes) but not obsessionally. </span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> the kid can code
but he's applied his skills to what reads as minimal </span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> work and uses
equipment/software/media that subvert the fetishization </span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> of the highest
technology. (yes, there is, indeed a retroactive </span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> fetishization,
here, but let's just say that i obviously favor it in </span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> difference to
the new, new, new.)</span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> </span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> --> it is
difficult to call software-driven art timeless, in any way. </span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> it is ephemeral
and takes a central place in the very constellation </span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> of pseudo-darwinian
technolution that privileges the new. </span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> nevertheless,
_data diaries_ is very aware of its time, looking back </span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> to a bygone aesthetic,
revolving around a person's use of time and a </span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> computer's processing
of it, and giving us a project which contorts </span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> time at a time
in which is is urgently demanded that we consider the </span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> after-effects
of said technolution.</span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> </span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> marisa</span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> </span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> _________________</span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> Marisa S. Olson</span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> Associate Director</span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> SF Camerawork</span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> 415. 863. 1001</span></font></div>
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<div align="left"><font face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10pt">One of the things that I would really
be interested in knowing is what...</span></font></div>
<p><font face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10pt">"</span></font><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span
style="font-size:12pt">But the greatest thing about Cory's net art is that he's not a net
artist. He never was and never will be"</span></font></p>
<p><font face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10pt">is all about in Galloway's introduction. </span></font></p>
<p><font face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10pt">Why and How does that sentence contextualise the
work for me? Will I
see or understand the piece better knowing this? I'm not on the attack I
just would be interested in what people make of this sentence. I know
the debates to whether joshua davis (for example) is a 'real' net artist
affect the way people view his work... Is this why arcangel can (sorry,
marisa) deliver concept over form..?</span></font></p>
<p><font face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10pt">I'm in NY next week (If I can get my wheels past
the snow) and I having
just slurred one of their own I'll probably be having coffee by myself too.
keep yer' mouth shut loseby. </span></font></p>
<p><font face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10pt">j.</span></font></p>
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<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> --> dear all,
i'm taking these a bit out of order, but wanted to </span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> respond to a
few of the things that have been said about _data </span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> diaries_...</span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> </span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> t.whid said:</span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> "All art
builds on what has come before, sometimes it leaps forward, </span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> sometimes it
steps forward. to deny that is to deny how human </span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> creativity functions."</span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> </span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> --> this is
well put and also reminds us of the conceptual & </span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> structural overlaps
between language and visual art (and, perhaps </span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> even more so,
here, its history). let's think of ourselves as working </span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> with a dictionary.
we only have so many words at our disposal. we may </span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> come up with
new ways to combine or alter them, new poetics, new </span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> narratologies,
even, but we are constantly working within the domain </span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> of language and,
whether we like it or not, our use of it--even or </span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> attempts to "deny"
it--simply act to underscore it. that said, it's </span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> great when an
artist (in any medium) can work in a way that is </span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> appropriately
self-reflexive, that is aware of its conditions while </span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> doing something
about or within them. at times, this means going back </span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> to very basic,
root structures. or repeating existing structures for </span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> the sake of controlled,
observable repetition through which the </span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> artist benefits
personally/creatively/intellectually (in learning </span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> form the repetition)
and, hopefully, from which a reader/viewer can </span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> benefit in the
experience of that performative function. arcangel has </span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> done all of this.</span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> </span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> jess loseby said:</span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> "The fact
the final product is weak is just something that we (as </span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> viewers and artists)
seemed to have started to accept as ok in </span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> conceptual art..."
<...> "why not take a bit more time on what the </span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> piece actually
looks like and the aesthetics of the translation...? </span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> Corys work...
looks...so basic."</span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> </span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> --> i think
that the latter would be a compliment to arcangel. this </span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> mostly subjective/comparative
interpretation should not serve to </span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> deface a work
or its "value," should we feel compelled to assign it </span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> one. beyond this,
i am curious why, more specifically, it would be </span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> called "weak."</span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> </span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> lewis lacook
said:</span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> "the thing
about works as conceptual as this is that there's all too </span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> often a poverty
of sensory material...which is the point behind </span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> conceptual work...to
avoid there being any sort of art object at </span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> all...this of
course is a hybrid, and i find this fascinating..." </span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> <...> "codepoetry?
<...> the innerworkings of something we're not </span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> meant to see..."</span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> </span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> --> i'd like
to better understand what you are saying here. i think </span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> that we (those
of us engaged in this discussion) need to better flesh </span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> out our use of
the term "conceptual," as i do not see "minimalist" </span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> or, as i said,
"arte poverte" being wholly constitutive of </span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> "conceptual"
art, nor is the latter an appropriate description of </span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> _data diaries_.</span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> </span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> --> "codepoetry"
is a great term and quite applicable, here. of </span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> course, rather
than having a revelation of the code, there is a new </span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> iteration or
translation of the code, into another, visual lexicon...</span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> </span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> michael szpakowski
said:</span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> "What makes
all the above notable for me?- engagement with the human </span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> and with the
human being in society; high degree of technical ability </span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> (and a willingness
to undertake drudgery) sometimes bordering on </span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> virtuosity but
not to an obsessional extent & rarely entirely for </span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> it's own sake;
universality - relatively independent of context -even </span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> though often
very much of it's time nevertheless it resonates for us </span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> now.. ..and I
think I'd want to argue that somewhere in there lies a </span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> framework for
what justifies art as a human activity." {and}: "(in </span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> the long run
we're all dust) but not in the historical, hundreds of </span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> yearsy medium
term scale which is the only really graspable and </span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> meaningful one
for us humans- us and our culturally preserved </span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> memories"</span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> </span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> --> i find
this interesting criteria and, just for the sake of </span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> dragging it out,
i'd like to lay it over _data diaries_. DD is an </span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> autobiographical
project and its basic elements are unique to so many </span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> of us. (both
its content and delivery vehicle.) this is, in fact, </span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> quite "human."
i would also absolutely say that arcangel's work is </span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> "virtuoso"
(with all the flair that connotes) but not obsessionally. </span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> the kid can code
but he's applied his skills to what reads as minimal </span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> work and uses
equipment/software/media that subvert the fetishization </span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> of the highest
technology. (yes, there is, indeed a retroactive </span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> fetishization,
here, but let's just say that i obviously favor it in </span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> difference to
the new, new, new.)</span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> </span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> --> it is
difficult to call software-driven art timeless, in any way. </span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> it is ephemeral
and takes a central place in the very constellation </span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> of pseudo-darwinian
technolution that privileges the new. </span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> nevertheless,
_data diaries_ is very aware of its time, looking back </span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> to a bygone aesthetic,
revolving around a person's use of time and a </span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> computer's processing
of it, and giving us a project which contorts </span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> time at a time
in which is is urgently demanded that we consider the </span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> after-effects
of said technolution.</span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> </span></font></div>
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Re: Paris Connection in relation to early net.art
Hi jim,
You raised some really interesting points and I do particularly agree your thoughts on
with the alex galloway article. A kind of nostalgia does seem to permeate this kind of text
(although I have to say that I am not particularly fond of introductions at all) but this
could very well be to do with the NY scene that I have no real handle on.
I do think the paris connection is incredibly interesting and stimulating, but I admit I
haven't spent enough time on all the artists as I rarely get past nicolas claus, as his work
just intrigues and delights me on so many levels (funnily enough I passed the url of dark
matter on to takeo the other day as something he could look at as an example of how
video is being used in experimental and absorbing ways)
I am obviously biased towards turbulence.org as they gave me my own little soapbox
through the artist studio which was a buzz (I'd had them bookmarked since discovering
net.art) but yes, they are bringing many different approaches together and vitally, doing
this without dictating a style or form of 'what is net.art' but just what feels like a real
interest and pleasure in all the works...
cheers,
j.
> thanks, jess, for the link to takeo at http://www.takeo.org/nspace/ns00.htm , which you maintain
> is highly related to and more notable than the arcangel work. i would agree with what you say
> about takeo vs arcangel.
>
> i recall a post from a while ago by curt cloninger in which he pointed out that early computer
> art was more or less necessarily almost solely conceptual, given the technological constraints
> upon it in terms of visuals, sound, and bandwidth. and he posed the question as to whether this
> needed to continue as the predominant modus of net.art, given that though there are still
> constraints on tech and bandwidth, both have advanced to a state where such an aesthetic is not
> necessarily required.
>
> also, i would point out that the rectilinear, often purposefully 'pixelated' style we associate
> with the arcangel piece is very new york - eastern european early net.artish in its
> associations. to me, it's less interesting as something to look as contemplate as a reiteration
> of the style of early net.art. to me, the discussion about it and the galloway essay read like
> ads for 'classic' net.art. want a piece to be championed by the early net.artists? do it in
> their style. pay tribute. meet good guys.
>
> the 'paris connection' project at http://turbulence.org/curators/Paris is an attempt to discuss
> work that does not reiterate this style but, instead, has proceeded into a shift in net art that
> i find appealing and relates to yours and curt's observations. it is not new york. it is paris.
> the work is often wonderfully conceptual and philosophical, even minimal, as in the work of
> Antoine Schmitt and servovalve, but it is also capable of what is to me a more fecund
> exploration of video--in the work of clauss and birge, for instance--than the arcangel work. and
> the explorations of audio, for instance, in the work of servovalve, lamarque, and birge combine
> tech with the sensual and experiential.
>
> something beautiful is unfolding in paris. though there are, among the six parisians, some top
> art-programmers, birge, for instance, is not a programmer but is known for his work in
> multimedia audio in france, is the king of multimedia audio there, and is a full collaborator
> with the others. we see in this loosely-knit group a strong modus of collaboration between
> programmers, audio guys, people involved in dance--and a range of other media and arts. we see a
> tremendous synthesis of arts, media, and programming in their collaborative work together.
> toward an art for the net that is as good as any art on the planet. and an art in which there is
> no axe through the middle of the brain between experience and concept. it is rich in both.
>
> paris connection is an attempt in english, french, spanish, and portuguese to tell the world
> about their work, related work, and these larger contexts in which net.art is proceeding beyond
> the solely conceptual cerebrations of early net.art. there is a strong tradition in french
> culture toward synthesis of arts and media. here is a quote from guillaume apollinaire from
> 1917:
>
> "These artifices can still go much further and achieve the synthesis of the arts, of music,
> painting, and literature ... One should not be astonished if, with only the means they have now
> at their disposal, they set themselves to preparing this new art (vaster than the plain art of
> words) in which, like conductors of an orchestra of unbelievable scope they will have at their
> disposal the entire world, its noises and its appearances, the thought and language of man,
> song, dance, all the arts and all the artifices, still more mirages than Morgane could summon up
> on the hill of Gibel, with which to compose the visible and unfolded book of the future.... "
> "L'Esprit Nouveau et les Poetes" Apollinaire, 1917
>
> interesting and encouraging that both the arcangel and paris connection are published on
> turbulence. turbulence at turb. that's what we like to see. turbulence and synthesis. many
> thanks to helen thorington and jo for publishing and encouraging both.
>
> ja
>
o
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You raised some really interesting points and I do particularly agree your thoughts on
with the alex galloway article. A kind of nostalgia does seem to permeate this kind of text
(although I have to say that I am not particularly fond of introductions at all) but this
could very well be to do with the NY scene that I have no real handle on.
I do think the paris connection is incredibly interesting and stimulating, but I admit I
haven't spent enough time on all the artists as I rarely get past nicolas claus, as his work
just intrigues and delights me on so many levels (funnily enough I passed the url of dark
matter on to takeo the other day as something he could look at as an example of how
video is being used in experimental and absorbing ways)
I am obviously biased towards turbulence.org as they gave me my own little soapbox
through the artist studio which was a buzz (I'd had them bookmarked since discovering
net.art) but yes, they are bringing many different approaches together and vitally, doing
this without dictating a style or form of 'what is net.art' but just what feels like a real
interest and pleasure in all the works...
cheers,
j.
> thanks, jess, for the link to takeo at http://www.takeo.org/nspace/ns00.htm , which you maintain
> is highly related to and more notable than the arcangel work. i would agree with what you say
> about takeo vs arcangel.
>
> i recall a post from a while ago by curt cloninger in which he pointed out that early computer
> art was more or less necessarily almost solely conceptual, given the technological constraints
> upon it in terms of visuals, sound, and bandwidth. and he posed the question as to whether this
> needed to continue as the predominant modus of net.art, given that though there are still
> constraints on tech and bandwidth, both have advanced to a state where such an aesthetic is not
> necessarily required.
>
> also, i would point out that the rectilinear, often purposefully 'pixelated' style we associate
> with the arcangel piece is very new york - eastern european early net.artish in its
> associations. to me, it's less interesting as something to look as contemplate as a reiteration
> of the style of early net.art. to me, the discussion about it and the galloway essay read like
> ads for 'classic' net.art. want a piece to be championed by the early net.artists? do it in
> their style. pay tribute. meet good guys.
>
> the 'paris connection' project at http://turbulence.org/curators/Paris is an attempt to discuss
> work that does not reiterate this style but, instead, has proceeded into a shift in net art that
> i find appealing and relates to yours and curt's observations. it is not new york. it is paris.
> the work is often wonderfully conceptual and philosophical, even minimal, as in the work of
> Antoine Schmitt and servovalve, but it is also capable of what is to me a more fecund
> exploration of video--in the work of clauss and birge, for instance--than the arcangel work. and
> the explorations of audio, for instance, in the work of servovalve, lamarque, and birge combine
> tech with the sensual and experiential.
>
> something beautiful is unfolding in paris. though there are, among the six parisians, some top
> art-programmers, birge, for instance, is not a programmer but is known for his work in
> multimedia audio in france, is the king of multimedia audio there, and is a full collaborator
> with the others. we see in this loosely-knit group a strong modus of collaboration between
> programmers, audio guys, people involved in dance--and a range of other media and arts. we see a
> tremendous synthesis of arts, media, and programming in their collaborative work together.
> toward an art for the net that is as good as any art on the planet. and an art in which there is
> no axe through the middle of the brain between experience and concept. it is rich in both.
>
> paris connection is an attempt in english, french, spanish, and portuguese to tell the world
> about their work, related work, and these larger contexts in which net.art is proceeding beyond
> the solely conceptual cerebrations of early net.art. there is a strong tradition in french
> culture toward synthesis of arts and media. here is a quote from guillaume apollinaire from
> 1917:
>
> "These artifices can still go much further and achieve the synthesis of the arts, of music,
> painting, and literature ... One should not be astonished if, with only the means they have now
> at their disposal, they set themselves to preparing this new art (vaster than the plain art of
> words) in which, like conductors of an orchestra of unbelievable scope they will have at their
> disposal the entire world, its noises and its appearances, the thought and language of man,
> song, dance, all the arts and all the artifices, still more mirages than Morgane could summon up
> on the hill of Gibel, with which to compose the visible and unfolded book of the future.... "
> "L'Esprit Nouveau et les Poetes" Apollinaire, 1917
>
> interesting and encouraging that both the arcangel and paris connection are published on
> turbulence. turbulence at turb. that's what we like to see. turbulence and synthesis. many
> thanks to helen thorington and jo for publishing and encouraging both.
>
> ja
>
o
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<div align="left"><font face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10pt">I've been looking back on this work
as I've just used it as an example..</span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10pt">see</span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10pt">Takeo's</span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10pt">http://www.takeo.org/nspace/ns002/</span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10pt">[transmission]</span></font></div>
<p><font face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10pt">sourced from data stream (simplicitic explanation
is that they are broken
down through spectrum data - but its far more complex ) from BBC
News24, ITV News, Sky News (9 second broadcast footage sequence
from each station), ~10:30am 09.01.2003</span></font></p>
<p><font face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10pt">you just can't put data diaries in the same league...</span></font></p>
<p><font face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10pt">j</span></font></p>
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<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> Takeos work is
at:</span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> http://www.takeo.org/nspace/ns00.htm</span></font></div>
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<div align="left"><font face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10pt">I've been looking back on this work
as I've just used it as an example..</span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10pt">see</span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10pt">Takeo's</span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10pt">http://www.takeo.org/nspace/ns002/</span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10pt">[transmission]</span></font></div>
<p><font face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10pt">sourced from data stream (simplicitic explanation
is that they are broken
down through spectrum data - but its far more complex ) from BBC
News24, ITV News, Sky News (9 second broadcast footage sequence
from each station), ~10:30am 09.01.2003</span></font></p>
<p><font face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10pt">you just can't put data diaries in the same league...</span></font></p>
<p><font face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10pt">j</span></font></p>
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<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> sorry, gave an
old url.</span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> Takeos work is
at:</span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> http://www.takeo.org/nspace/ns00.htm</span></font></div>
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<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000"><span style="font-size:10pt">> j. o</span></font></div>
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