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BIO
Jason Van Anden is a new media activist, artist, inventor and robot maker. His creations are exhibited internationally, receiving recognition in the art, science, technology and gaming communities. More about Jason and his work can be found at his website www.smileproject.com.
Re: Blog vs Board (re: Blogging Survey)
Joy is not the first person to have referenced the legendary Rhizome "Flame Wars" as being the beginning of some sort of Rhizome schism. Was it ever documented, analysed, made into a prequel? If not, can someone bring me up to date? Really curious.
Jason Van Anden
www.smileproject.com
Jason Van Anden
www.smileproject.com
Re: Blog vs Board (re: Blogging Survey)
Wow. Lots to think about. I want to respond to the points made by, well, everyone - but I need to digest it all, and have the free moment to write it responsibly. I hope to be able to do this sometime over the weekend.
Perhaps it is not necessary to say this, perhaps it is even self-centered and presumptuous, but at the expense of sounding square... I have to admit that I often wait in anticipation for a reply to my posts. I think it is about a yearning for recognition, and relying on feedback from others for some sort of self-actualization - interesting topics for therapy at any rate, or perhaps the reason I chose to pursue art. I am new at this kind of interaction, so maybe this does not need to be brought up, the informal protocol of this medium excuses the need to. I would hate to think that someone felt dismissed because of the pause, especially given the amount of effort members have invested in their contributions.
Jason Van Anden
www.smileproject.com
Perhaps it is not necessary to say this, perhaps it is even self-centered and presumptuous, but at the expense of sounding square... I have to admit that I often wait in anticipation for a reply to my posts. I think it is about a yearning for recognition, and relying on feedback from others for some sort of self-actualization - interesting topics for therapy at any rate, or perhaps the reason I chose to pursue art. I am new at this kind of interaction, so maybe this does not need to be brought up, the informal protocol of this medium excuses the need to. I would hate to think that someone felt dismissed because of the pause, especially given the amount of effort members have invested in their contributions.
Jason Van Anden
www.smileproject.com
Re: Blog vs Board (re: Blogging Survey)
This discussion, by it's very existence, actually does a good job of illustrating why I brought this topic up.
How would this discussion be realized on a blog?
How would you know about it?
Who would be motivated to contribute to it?
The thoughtful contributions from the membership have motivated me to contiue to participate in this ongoing discussion. I feel like I have spent my time well.
Jason Van Anden
www.smileproject.com
How would this discussion be realized on a blog?
How would you know about it?
Who would be motivated to contribute to it?
The thoughtful contributions from the membership have motivated me to contiue to participate in this ongoing discussion. I feel like I have spent my time well.
Jason Van Anden
www.smileproject.com
Re: Re: Re: Blog vs Board (re: Blogging Survey)
Liza Sabater wrote:
>
> On Tuesday, Jul 6, 2004, at 07:29 America/New_York, Jason Van Anden
> wrote:
>
> > The comments have been enlightening. To summarize, blogs serve
> > different purposes not achieved by paritipating in a community
> message
> > board: Ego (1 - Lee Wells) and protecting fellow message board
> > participants from topics not necessarily appropriate for discussion
> (2
> > - Dyske Suematsu). Each raises an interesting question:
> >
> > 1.) Eyeballs == Ego Fuel:
> > Does the typical individual's blog draw more traffic than Rhizome?
>
>
> You cannot compare the typical blog with Rhizome. It would be more
> like
> does "Gawker" get more traffic than Rhizome or something like that.
> And
> still it's not a good comparison because longevity + hits has a lot
> to
> do with ranking on places like Google.
>
>
> > 2.) Raw == 'Enter at Your Own Risk':
> > Do the levels of Rhizome's board distillation
> > (Raw as opposed to Digest, etc...) poorly protect the membership
> from
> > inappropriate topics of discussion?
>
> There's always going to be drivel. I just think that it's better
> managed on sites like MetaFilter or /.
>
> Best,
> l i z a
>
>
> On Tuesday, Jul 6, 2004, at 07:29 America/New_York, Jason Van Anden
> wrote:
>
> > The comments have been enlightening. To summarize, blogs serve
> > different purposes not achieved by paritipating in a community
> message
> > board: Ego (1 - Lee Wells) and protecting fellow message board
> > participants from topics not necessarily appropriate for discussion
> (2
> > - Dyske Suematsu). Each raises an interesting question:
> >
> > 1.) Eyeballs == Ego Fuel:
> > Does the typical individual's blog draw more traffic than Rhizome?
>
>
> You cannot compare the typical blog with Rhizome. It would be more
> like
> does "Gawker" get more traffic than Rhizome or something like that.
> And
> still it's not a good comparison because longevity + hits has a lot
> to
> do with ranking on places like Google.
>
>
> > 2.) Raw == 'Enter at Your Own Risk':
> > Do the levels of Rhizome's board distillation
> > (Raw as opposed to Digest, etc...) poorly protect the membership
> from
> > inappropriate topics of discussion?
>
> There's always going to be drivel. I just think that it's better
> managed on sites like MetaFilter or /.
>
> Best,
> l i z a
>
Re: Blog vs Board (re: Blogging Survey)
I did not mean to imply that blogs are bad things that should not exist, nor that I feel that Rhizome is in trouble. Since both things are new to me, that would be really rude. I have personally benefitted from my involvement in Rhizome in countless ways, and I only joined this year.
I know I said in my last post that I would not be able to post again until tomorrow, but on the drive home I started to wonder if I had side-stepped Francis's question. I did not mean to, but I don't think I actually answered it.
I am not super-prepared to answer it right now, but off the cuff, here is a totally made up example:
Let's say that someone had an idea for a website called "artornot.com" (apparently not very original idea - domain already taken - I checked), to be used as a open forum for new media art criticism and discussion. Let's say that this was a really good idea (just). I think it would be great if that person was encouraged to come to this community with the idea, with the possibility that it would get support (developmental, moral, financial, coding, etc...) from other members, rather than letting it rot on the vine because of lack of personal resources (time, money, faith).
I see an institution like Rhizome as being in a unique position to facilitate this kind of community activity. As I am writing this, I am thinking about what Dyske said in a much earlier thread - perhaps it is my responsibility to initiate such things.
Feedback appreciated.
Jason Van Anden
www.smileproject.com
I know I said in my last post that I would not be able to post again until tomorrow, but on the drive home I started to wonder if I had side-stepped Francis's question. I did not mean to, but I don't think I actually answered it.
I am not super-prepared to answer it right now, but off the cuff, here is a totally made up example:
Let's say that someone had an idea for a website called "artornot.com" (apparently not very original idea - domain already taken - I checked), to be used as a open forum for new media art criticism and discussion. Let's say that this was a really good idea (just). I think it would be great if that person was encouraged to come to this community with the idea, with the possibility that it would get support (developmental, moral, financial, coding, etc...) from other members, rather than letting it rot on the vine because of lack of personal resources (time, money, faith).
I see an institution like Rhizome as being in a unique position to facilitate this kind of community activity. As I am writing this, I am thinking about what Dyske said in a much earlier thread - perhaps it is my responsibility to initiate such things.
Feedback appreciated.
Jason Van Anden
www.smileproject.com