Ivan Pope
Since the beginning
Works in Brighton United States of America

BIO
In the place where analogue and digital overlap, that's why you will find me in the kitchen at parties.
Everything is at my site, http://blog.ivanpope.com
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DISCUSSION

Re: Palestinian War Criminals


From: "Wally Keeler" <poetburo@sympatico.ca>

From: "Ivan Pope" <ivan@ivanpope.com>
> Would you extend the same kind offer of assistance to the Palestinians who
> seem to find their country occupied?
> Cheers,
> Ivan

Israel/PA: Suicide Bombers Commit Crimes Against Humanity )

(Gaza, November 1, 2002) The people responsible for planning and carrying
out suicide bombings that deliberately target civilians are guilty of crimes
against humanity and should be brought to justice <snip>

Yes, well, do you think that the US should extend arms and assistance to the
Palestinians who find that their country is occupied by foreign nationals?
YES or NO. Do you think that (suicide bombings aside) the Palestinians have
a legitimate right to resist occupation? YES or NO.

Cheers, Ivan

DISCUSSION

Re: Doh!


> As I recall, there was a mutuality in the relationship with the USA and
the
> Afghan Mujahadin. .... So when the Soviets were eventually driven out of
Afghanistan,
> then the Afghanis were free (no strings attached) to make what they wished
> of their country. And so they did.
>
> What's your take on it? Would you refuse to render any sort of assistance
to
> a people who want to liberate their nation from foreign occupation?

Would you extend the same kind offer of assistance to the Palestinians who
seem to find their country occupied?
Cheers,
Ivan

DISCUSSION

Re: Re: Membership fee


> From: Samantha Levin <binnorie@hotmail.com>

> 3. You won't lose many members by charging a membership fee- especially a
> sliding scale. You should, however, make the payment process as easy as
> possible.

All my experience of the net tells me this is totally untrue. You will
certainly lose a majority and possibly a large majority of your members by
introducing a fee. The issue will not necessarily be the fee itself, but the
perceived effort needed to pay it. Imposing a fee immediately raises the
question in the mind of the user: what is the value of this service to me?
Would I care if I didnt have access? And a lot of people will from that
point drift off elsewhere.

So what is the value of Rhizome to most individuals? Well, to me its almost
all the list. And to be honest, I dont feel that has much value these days.
The web site is conceptually interesting, but I dont really use if much. Of
course, there is value in the collection of works on the site, but to some
degree this is just a directory (as most of the works would continue to
exist even if not cloned on Rhizome). The events etc information is
interesting, but I get it all elsewhere.

"Our core activities include commissions, email discussions and
publications, this web site, and events."

Funny thing is, possibly the most interesting thing Rhizome does is
Commissions. But can I find anything about them on the Rhizome site? No. So
I cant even check whether or not I care whether this activity continues.

To sum up, for myself, I cant really see what Rhizome spends all its money
on. I cant see what I would really, really miss if it went. I dont know
about commissions. The email discussions I would probably be better off
without at this stage. Publications I dont see. The Web site is a good
resource, but will be/is replicated elsewhere. Events? Dont see them.

The main thing that I crave is real community among artists. And that I dont
get from Rhizome or anywhere else, except in a very loose generic sense.

So would I pay for Rhizome to continue? Yes. But thats the sort of person I
am. I wouldnt rely on the mass of other subscribers to be that bothered.

Cheers, Ivan

DISCUSSION

Re: Ten Million Hits


Hit me with your rythmn stick, hit me slowly, hit me quick.
Hit me, hit me, hit me.
HIT ME

----- Original Message -----
From: clement Thomas <ctgr@free.fr>
To: <list@rhizome.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2002 2:16 PM
Subject: Re: RHIZOME_RAW: Ten Million Hits

>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "-IID42 Kandinskij @27+" <death@zaphod.terminal.org>
> To: "Joseph Franklyn McElroy Cor[porat]e [Per]form[ance] Art[ist]"
> <joseph@electrichands.com>
> Cc: "David Goldschmidt" <dgoldsch@tampabay.rr.com>; "furtherfield"
> <info@furtherfield.org>; <list@rhizome.org>; "Mark Tribe" <mt@rhizome.org>
> Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2002 2:28 PM
> Subject: Re: RHIZOME_RAW: Ten Million Hits
>
>
> > > Quoting David Goldschmidt <dgoldsch@tampabay.rr.com>:
> > >
> > > > i don't know joseph ... the guy is very violent with his words.
> >
> > I am not violent. I am not sugar coated, that's all.
>
> kandy is inside the coat
>
> + tripe .^`` X333CV/^
> -> post: list@rhizome.org
> -> questions: info@rhizome.org
> -> subscribe/unsubscribe: http://rhizome.org/preferences/subscribe.rhiz
> -> give: http://rhizome.org/support
> +
> Subscribers to Rhizome are subject to the terms set out in the
> Membership Agreement available online at http://rhizome.org/info/29.php
>

DISCUSSION

Re: Ten Million Hits


>> + Membership increased 18% in Sept. to 17,001
>> + Total web hits increased 40% to 10,226,441
>> + Vists to the web site increased 14% to 115,608
>>
>> Wow!
>
> So much for the silly theories of 'all the people
> leaving' because of a poster (me)--so, when will
> that idiotic assumption, typically used as bullying
> technique evaporate from human brains?!
My dear Karei, no matter how it may stroke your ego to believe otherwise,
visits to the Rhizome web site and people joining from same can have nothing
whatsoever to do with your activity or otherwise on this list. See: one is a
mailing list, the other is a web site. Get it? Cheers, Ivan