Ivan Pope
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In the place where analogue and digital overlap, that's why you will find me in the kitchen at parties.
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Re: mirapaul on salvaggio


I like this review. Intelligent and measured. And keeps the piece in
perspective as art rather than as memorial (sorry Eryk!). Ivan
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> http://www.nytimes.com/2002/07/08/arts/design/08ARTS.html
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> a pleasant surprise in the NYTimes Tech section today.
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Re: News from Cnn


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Latest News from Cnn.

In the third installment of Mike Myers' secret agent series ... Tom Cruis=
e is pursued by futuristic police for a crime he hasn't committed ... yet.

Ivan sez:

I think the UK government is proposing to trump this by locking people up=
for ever for crimes they haven't committed yet. And the US government is c=
ertainly a fan ...

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Re: Net Art News submission


----- Original Message -----
From: Michael Szpakowski

'An Enemy of the People'

http://www.somedancersandmusicians.com/enemy/AnEnemyOfThePeople.html

Arrested on a trumped up charge in 1939 by Joseph Stalin's secret police =
the NKVD, Lukasz Szpakowski spent the next two years as a slave labourer in=
the giant Russian system of penal camps, the Gulag.
Two years ago, aged 87, he was interviewed at length by his son, the UK c=
omposer and net artist Michael Szpakowski.

Ivan sez:
Only two years, he was lucky.
The US governmet has started placing people in its own gulag. Recently a =
US citizen was seized off a plane and condemned by the President and all hi=
s henchmen as a terrorist. Handed over to the US army, this individual has =
disappeared into an army camp. The people and the courts, fearful for all s=
orts of reasons, refuse to condemn this action or other similar actions How=
many years these people will spend in the US gulag, who knows. Hopefully, =
when they are 87 they will be interviewed by their own children and art wil=
l be made about their experiences. We won't learn from it, of course, as we=
never can.

DISCUSSION

Re: your thoughts on upcoming online classes


In 1991 I ran a BBS (bulletin board) called UK ArtNet. It was funded by the
Arts Council. OK, I got the words the wrong way round, but I claim to be the
originator :)
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> I believe that the dark days of 'Official' net art has gone now and that all
> will be seen.
>
> marc
>
>
>>
>>> Subject: Re: RHIZOME_RAW: your thoughts on upcoming online classes
>>
>> T. Whid replied:
>>> i'm curious tho, are these classes going to deal with only the
>>> 'official' net.art (cosic, shulgin, jody, lialina, etc). imo, net.art
>>> is a very specific thing relating to a small group of artists,
>>> whereas net art (no dot) is the generic phrase most people use to
>>> describe art made using networks, the web, the internet etc.
>>
>> Im interested in this concept of official net art v. net art. Are you in
>> favour of there being an official net art and an unofficial one, or
> not
>> I cant tell from this post. Or maybe probably you dont care?
>> Ivan
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Re: Speech or Ceremony


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I guess I was thinking along the lines of the dictionary.com entry below, =
n. 1. Something, such as a monument or holiday, intended to celebrte or hon=
or the memory of a person or event
i.e. I agree that this of course does not rule out all sorts of other memor=
ials, but generally governments create holidays and build monuments.
Ivan

Main Entry: 2memorial
Function: noun
Date: 14th century
1 : something that keeps remembrance alive: as a : MONUMENT b : something (=
as a speech or ceremony) that commemorates c : KEEPSAKE, MEMENTO
2 a : RECORD, MEMOIR b : MEMORANDUM, NOTE; specifically : a legal abstract =
c : a statement of facts addressed to a government and often accompanied by=
a petition or remonstrance

From dictionary.com

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