Ivan Pope
Since the beginning
Works in Brighton United States of America

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In the place where analogue and digital overlap, that's why you will find me in the kitchen at parties.
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DISCUSSION

Re: aNTI WAR Artist ART? for beginners


15, 2003 6:18 PM
Subject: RHIZOME_RAW: artist anti war for beginners

ART aNTI WAR Artist ART for
an ANTI-ART war

DISCUSSION

The enemy of the moment always represented absolute evil


'We didn't ought to 'ave trusted 'em. I said so, Ma, didn't I? That's what
comes of trusting 'em. I said so all along. We didn't ought to 'ave trusted
the buggers.

But which buggers they didn't ought to have trusted Winston could not now
remember.

Since about that time, war had been literally continuous, though strictly
speaking it had not always been the same war. For several months during his
childhood there had been confused street fighting in London itself, some of
which he remembered vividly. But to trace out the history of the whole
period, to say who was fighting whom at any given moment, would have been
utterly impossible, since no written record, and no spoken word, ever made
mention of any other alignment than the existing one. At this moment, for
example, in 1984 (if it was 1984), Oceania was at war with Eurasia and in
alliance with Eastasia. In no public or private utterance was it ever
admitted that the three powers had at any time been grouped along different
lines. Actually, as Winston well knew, it was only four years since Oceania
had been at war with Eastasia and in alliance with Eurasia. But that was
merely a piece of furtive knowledge which he happened to possess because his
memory was not satisfactorily under control. Officially the change of
partners had never happened. Oceania was at war with Eurasia: therefore
Oceania had always been at war with Eurasia. The enemy of the moment always
represented absolute evil, and it followed that any past or future agreement
with him was impossible.

1984
George Orwell

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Ivan Pope
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DISCUSSION

Re: War!! - Call for submissions


OK, OK, I submit.

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Ivan Pope
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www.tochki-inc.com

"Faster, faster, until the thrill of speed overcomes the fear of death"
Hunter S. Thompson
----- Original Message -----
From: NewMediaArtProjectNetwork <info@agricola-de-cologne.de>
To: <list@rhizome.org>
Sent: Friday, January 31, 2003 8:48 AM
Subject: RHIZOME_RAW: War!! - Call for submissions

> Violence Online Festival
> Version 5.0
> Call for submissions
> to the subject <WAR!!>
>
> Deadline 3 March 2003
> ************************************
>
> Introduction:
>
> Version 4.0 of Violence Online Festival
> to be presented on occasion of
> "New Media Nation - Festival of Festivals"
> 20-22 February Bratislava (Slovakia)
> is not yet online,
> but Version 5.0 is already in preparation following provisionally soon
> afterwards.
>
> Version 5.0 will include a feature to the subject >War!!<
>
> >>War belongs to the heaviest forms of violence.
> Nearly any war is based on an insane idealogy constructed by insane
people.
>
> The phantom of a war in IRAK these days becomes more and more concrete and
> more and more threatening.
> The fear how the consequences for each single individual
> could look like is far spreading in all parts of the world.
>
> There is no question what the insane ideology is and who is the insane
> constructor this time.
> This is particularly good for the US administration and its leader,
> but also for the IRAK and its leader.
>
> The dimensions and consequences are unforeseeable as it is a dictated war,
> dictated by a lonesome wolf against the rest of the world
> mainly in order to protect personal/national economical interests
> also against the rest of the world.
>
> The feature of WAR!! on Version 5.0 is meant as a contribution
particularly
> against the War in IRAK, but beyond that - against any war, as - if this
> war will really come or not-
> there will be other wars taking place simultaneously and later, as well.<<
>
> *******************************************
>
> Dear artist,
> please participate in this feature and express your solidarity with
> all people who are against this war
> by submitting one work of art in a digital format
> reflecting war and violence.
>
> Following digital formats are accepted:
>
> 1. URL (no size limit)
> or
> 2. media files (size limit: a single art work may not exceed 1Mb)
> 2.1) webpage: HTML
> 2.2) text: plain email, .txt, .doc, .rtf
> 2.3) image: .jpg,.gif,.png (max. dimensions 800x600 pixels)
> 2.4) video/animation/movie:
> .mpeg, .mov (Quicktime), Flash .swf, Shockwave .dcr (max. dimensions
> 800x600 pixels)
> 2.5) sound: .mp3
>
> Please use this entry form for submitting:
> ***************************************************************
>
> Artist:
> name:
> first name:
> Email:
> URL:
>
> short bio (not more than 300 words in English)
>
> Work:
> Title
> URL (if net based)
> * - screen shot to be attached as .jpg (max 800x600 pixels)
> Year
> Technology/type of media file
> short description (not more than 300 words, in English)
>
>
> *Confirmation/authorization:
> I confirm that I hold all rights on the submitted work
> and agree that it can be included in future versions of Violence Online
> Festival, as well.
>
> signed
> name
> email
>
> Please send your submission together with the media file(s) exclusively to
> violence-war@newmediafest.org
>
> Deadline 3 March 2003.
> *********************************
> Violence Online Festival
> www.newmediafest.org/violence
>
> *********************************
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DISCUSSION

Re: Your role in stopping the war against Iraq..well that is where we started...


>I ... wish that a Hollywood star ... would stand up against the societal
> pressures to be categorized when no such categorization is necessary.

Well, define 'necessary'. Obviously it was necessary at some level, because
it happened.
Ivan

DISCUSSION

Re: Your role in stopping the war against Iraq..well that is where we started...


----- Original Message -----
From: Dyske Suematsu <dyske@dyske.com>
> It is when someone like Halle Berry who is 50-50, who feels she
> needs to side with one side or the other by the societal pressures, ...
the real culprit
> isn't her, but our cultural construct called race and its tendencies to
> pressure her to side. Because the society does not like to accept someone
to
> be neither.

Dyske,
I'm still not happy with your position. You say that Halle Berry is 50/50
(black/white) and you also say that race is a cultural construct.
If race is a cultural construct, what value does it have to say that someone
is 50/50 black/white? That's just a simplistic bit of shorthand for 'they
don't fall easily into either of our standard constructs about racial
types'. And, if someone has a need to define themselves within one of these
constructs, surely this is nothing to do with their skin colour but to do
with their position within society and their need to find a secure place
therein? I have an (adopted) sister who is half Lebanese, half British.
Growing up in a v. white town, she was generally called a 'half-caste'. Now,
is that a term of abuse, or a useful statement of neutrality? I know what
she thinks. She has spent her life to date trying to reconcile who and what
she is. I have watched her tie her life in knots trying to find a safe
harbour where she is accepted for what she is. And the thing is, in 'white'
company she is white and in the company of arabs or persians she (oh, remind
me, what colour are arabs, or are they neutral) is happy with herself.
Ivan