Ivan Pope
Since the beginning
Works in Brighton United States of America

BIO
In the place where analogue and digital overlap, that's why you will find me in the kitchen at parties.
Everything is at my site, http://blog.ivanpope.com
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Re: Re: One Day Left


Cor blimey, Eryk, grow up. You sound like a whingebag. I dont think you
should leave Rhizome. If you have a problem with some very valid issues, eg:
'I do not like the logic that one should pay to share ideas. To say so is to
change the entire reasoning behind institutions like rhizome. Is it here to
serve us, or are we here to serve it?', you should stay and argue the toss.
To me $5 is generally worth paying if only to keep my nosy nose stuck in
places. And who knows, Rhizome might blossom ...
My issue now is what will be left of Rhizome when all the non payers and the
cant pay wont pay and the ideological dissenters have left? Will it die a
natural death as we all leave when the fun stops, or will it blossom?
cheers, Ivan

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Ivan Pope
ivan@ivanpope.com

http://www.ivanpope.com
http://www.tochki-inc.com

"Faster, faster, until the thrill of speed overcomes the fear of death"
Hunter S. Thompson

From: Eryk Salvaggio <eryk@maine.rr.com>

Rachel Greene wrote:
Re: RHIZOME_RAW: Re: One Day Left

eryk

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Re: Some random thoughts on the state of the art...


> From: Mark River <mriver102@yahoo.com>

> Subject: RHIZOME_RAW: Some random thoughts on the state of the art...
>
> Some random thoughts on the state of the art...

> 2. Along or against this trend, new works are being
> made using what Cory Archangel may have coined "Dirt
> Style Design" or Low-Fi net art. These works look back
> to the "Heroic Period" of Net.art as well as the pop
> home pages of the net.
> The reason for the post is that for the last year or
> so I have felt net art has been in a holding pattern.
> Great art works are being made and attention is
> finally being given, but I miss the time of
> experimentation. Thoughts 1,2 and 3 have let me know
> that net art might change again as all art can.

> From: Daniel Young <young@newzoid.com>
> Exploring The Uses of the Medium vs. Exploring The Nature of the Medium
>
> I fully agree with Mr. Salvaggio's statement that it is time for "an
> exploration of what can be said with the medium more so than exploring what
> the medium is" and "now that we have figured out how to mix paints it's only
> natural to start looking at what we can say with them."
>
> I wouldn't call this impending focus on content or meaning a "wave." For me
> the communicative or functional use of a medium is more like the full body of
> water out of which the first wave of exploration comes. I hope the uses of the
> medium will remain the main focus of artists for all time.

I guess it is the lot of all artists at all times to both look back at a
golden (heroic?) age, while simultaneously believing that the golden age is
now.
I guess it is also always incumbent upon us to have short memories.
I would like to quote you from the intro. to a book called 'Art +
Telecommunication' published in 1984:

'This publication is intended to indicate some aspects - and possibilities -
of the use of modern telecommunications technology by artists and
artist-theoreticians, who have taken part in or organised artists
telecommunications projects. The illustrations document recent activities
and projects using simple, cheap and accessible telecommunications hardware
and systems. Such telecommunications events do not, unlike other kinds of
artwork, originate from a solitary artist but grow from what Roy Ascott
calls a "dispersed authorship". Such authorship is only possible through the
use of "interactive systems".
Artists, while fully concious of their situation - and of that of all other
private users of electronic systems - still consider it a part of their task
to research, analyse and formulate a critique of the "electronic space"
created by these media, and to at least try to infiltrate, however
fugitively, some other content and meaning than that for which they have
been designed and developed. The artist also reserves the right to abandon
this space as a place for art activity, after they have examined it and its
implications, by their own methods and to their own satisfaction.
A glance at the aspects of telecommunications that the artists in this
publication find interesting - interactivity, accessibility, collective
working, breaking down of hierarchies, decentralisation - should make it
clear that we are dealing here with something more important than a few naiv
technology freaks who have found themselves a new toy.'

So, I would just say get out there and boogie. There never was a heroic age.
There is just a continuum. Nothing comes from nothing.
Cheers, Ivan

--
Ivan Pope
ivan@ivanpope.com

http://www.ivanpope.com
http://www.tochki-inc.com

"Faster, faster, until the thrill of speed overcomes the fear of death"
Hunter S. Thompson

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DISCUSSION

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From: Sophie Cameron <info@newworknetwork.org.uk>
Reply-To: newworknetwork@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tue, 07 Jan 2003 11:29:36 +0000
To: <newworknetwork@yahoogroups.com>
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DISCUSSION

Tough but Fair!


> From: "Francis Hwang" <francis@rhizome.org>

> Ivan Pope wrote:
>
<snip>
>
> Tough, but fair. A lot has happened at Rhizome in the past 12 months.
> We did a major site redesign, we came out with our first set of
> commissions, membership went way up...
>
> ... Today, Rhizome.org has more
> than 22,000 members: Does it do everything that it could to unleash the
> critical and artistic energy of its individual members? No. We've
> accomplished a lot, but there's still lots of room for improvement.
>
I don't mean to criticise individuals or even Rhizome itself. I know
everyone works hard, but it seems that sometimes what is possible gets lost
in what is being done.
Looking around at various online communities and specifically at tools that
have been made available to develop such communities, it is clear that
Rhizome is hugely lacking. Of course, that could be by design, who am I to
tell Rhizome what to do? Only, my desire is to find or found a community of
artists where the ongoing process of being an artist, of living within what
is now a global network, comes to the fore.
We live in messy times, so it seems not so important to keep everything nice
and clean and tidy, but to allow the community to develop and to go where it
wants to go. The ability to link comments to works, to allow not just the
posting of thoughts as they occur, but the ability to track those postings,
to develop them. The ability to collaborate, to learn, to teach. To muse, to
rage, to spin out new areas of work. To encourage new members, kids,
curators, press, artists into our zone. To facilitate crossover, evolution.
To make space for hard headed critical theory alongside drunken make it up
as you go along. To use the network to grow the network.
In 1991 I was funded briefly to run a project called UK ArtNet. This
predated the Internet and was bulletin board based. It was never going to
work the way I wanted, but it allowed me to sketch out the basis for a
community online. I have been looking for, waiting for this ever since. One
thing that dismays me is the lack of a community of artists online, of
whatever stripe.
I ask Rhizome not to redesign, but to go find some fundamental tools that
will allow the community to build itself. Leave the commissioning to others.
Set the agenda. Carve out the space where all this stuff starts to make
sense. Utilise the energy and desire of the global community to make it
work. Not centralise an empire from a NY east side des res :).

Cheers,
Ivan

--
Ivan Pope
ivan@ivanpope.com

http://www.ivanpope.com
http://www.tochki-inc.com

"Faster, faster, until the thrill of speed overcomes the fear of death"
Hunter S. Thompson