Ivan Pope
Since the beginning
Works in Brighton United States of America

BIO
In the place where analogue and digital overlap, that's why you will find me in the kitchen at parties.
Everything is at my site, http://blog.ivanpope.com
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DISCUSSION

Re: On New York, gaps in toilet seat and a bit of art


>
> sgp: I think some clarification is needed here. The 'cryptic Japanese
based
> iconography' is from the first version of PDPal we made during our
> residency. What we found, similar to what you observed, is that user's
> expectations of receiving a "map" were not met and the visual language we
> developed did not engender the personal we had intended. This was also
> Christiane's comment. The reason we spent time showing our current
> wireframes was to show how these lessons had been learned and folded into
> the project so that users now input information on geographic maps and are
> able to modify the visual language to their liking/expression. Maybe we
> weren't clear enough about this or it still doesn't satisfy your comments.
>
> [sgp]
> ________________________
> scott paterson (sweater wearer)

Look, I don't want to turn into a whinging pom, especially as its [sgp]
again (now turned into scott paterson (sweater wearer)), but if you are
going to have a public conversation about something it is nice and polite to
reference the thing that you are talking about so we can follow or join in.
Jess didn't give any link or reference for PDPal and nor did sgp in his
interesting response. Now, I can Google with the best of them, but should I
have to?
Cheers,
Ivan (bad morning, went to the wrong meeting last night)

DISCUSSION

Re: the upgrade


> From: "sgp" <somebody@sgp-7.net>

> Subject: Re: RHIZOME_RAW: the upgrade
>
> Dyske,
> I didn't realize that some of the people in
> the photo's were there, but not because of a name tag, but because they
> didn't simply come up to me an introduce themselves - putting a name to a
> face, you included. What gives? You knew who I was. I often think this
> crowd, and I am part of it, is a rather shy one when it comes to meeting in
> physical space, in person. A bunch of wall flowers waiting for someone to
> cross the room and say hello.
> [sgp]

It amuses me that you sign this email [sgp], i.e. you give no indication of
who you are and make it very hard for anyone to introduce themselves. I dont
know about shy, but putting an identity to a tag is surely a starting point,
on or off line. Cheers, Ivan
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>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Dyske Suematsu" <dyske@dyske.com>
> To: "t.whid" <twhid@mteww.com>; <list@rhizome.org>
> Sent: Monday, March 03, 2003 11:27 PM
> Subject: Re: RHIZOME_RAW: the upgrade
>
>
>> What would be helpful next time is for everyone to wear a "Hello My Name
> Is"
>> sticker with their email address on it.
>>
>> I was there, but I didn't meet anyone from this list.
>>
>> Dyske
>>
>>
>>> Here are some photos of last weekend's Upgrade brunch:
>>>
>>> http://www.mteww.com/upgrade_brunch/
>>>
>>> If you don't know what The Upgrade is, then you can look at this URL
>>> and find out:
>>>
>>> http://www.treasurecrumbs.com/theupgrade/
>>>
>>> But, it's 'A monthly gathering of new media artists and curators in New
>>> York City'
>>>
>>> it was fun and there were krispy kreme donuts in effect.
>>>
>>> Jess Losseby showed up and it was nice to meet her and her husband.
>>> --
>>> <t.whid>
>>> www.mteww.com
>>> </t.whid>
>>>
>>> + ti esrever dna ti pilf nwod gniht ym tup
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>>
>> + ti esrever dna ti pilf nwod gniht ym tup
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>
> + ti esrever dna ti pilf nwod gniht ym tup
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DISCUSSION

Cartographic Congress check this out!


The CartographicCongress is a meeting of maps and map makers due to take
place over six weeks from the beginning of May 2003. The event aims to bring
cartographers from diverse contexts together informally to socialise,
discuss and make links between their maps.

Over a six week period, cartographers are invited to situate a map in and
around LimehouseTownHall in East London. Each week there will be one meal
and one field trip to areas of cartographic interest within reach of London.

Some public presentations will co-incide with the CartographicCongress, such
as the June Dorkbotlondon event, others may follow.

http://chinatown.twenteenthcentury.com/uua/index.php/CartographicCongress
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Ivan Pope
ivan@ivanpope.com

http://www.ivanpope.com
http://www.tochki-inc.com

"Faster, faster, until the thrill of speed overcomes the fear of death"
Hunter S. Thompson

DISCUSSION

Re: more on Cory Arcangel's "Data Diaries"


> From: "Jim Andrews" <jim@vispo.com>

> Subject: RE: RHIZOME_RAW: more on Cory Arcangel's "Data Diaries"
>

>> I just think the flow of work gets more and more exciting, though no work
>> stands alone or above the movement.

> It's nice to be part of artistic 'communities', but once people begin to feel
> that "no work
> stands alone or above the movement", there's a perpetuation of the status quo
> defined within the
> 'movement' that rules out real departure.

Let me restate that. I didnt mean no work stands alone or above the movement
where movement was a small group of people or a worldview or political idea.
I meant movement as in the movement of art, the tectonic plates that
underly us and drive us along. That said, I disagree slightly with myself in
that of course sometimes work comes along that jumps out from the movement
of work. But that work is still grounded in the human condition etc etc etc
blah. Cheers, Ivan

DISCUSSION

Re: more on Cory Arcangel's "Data Diaries"


> there is nothing in Cory's work that hasn't been
> > done a million times.
> > On the other hand, to say that is to totally miss the point.
> ...but surely if one is going to dicuss the work under the banner
> 'conceptual art' (as this was what was being used to describe cory's
> work) the 'originality' or 'strength' of the concept should come into
it...?

Just wanted to sit on the fence, I feel most comfortable there :-=)
And throw in a couple of easy one liners ...

Well, I have this view of art, that its like science.
There are a lot of 'scientists' (artists) in the world. Most of them engage
in humdrum science (art). They work in labs (studios) and do whatever it is
that their employers (funders/patrons) ask them to do to further the
science/business (art/business) nexus.
Then there are scientists (artists) who fly to the edge of knowledge and
jump off into the darkness with only a hunch to guide them. Generally, what
they bring back is not understood or recognised because there is nothing to
relate it to. Often they are considered mad or bad or dangerous. But in
time, the world will get round to praising (and selling) them, though still
not having a clue what it was they did. In time, many others will refine
their work, thinking maybe that they are still engaged in the leap into the
dark, but really just regurgitating the same old same old.

Well, this reassures me in the darker moments (I have another view of art,
that it is like an addiction, and I am a junkie ...).

So where is Cory in the above schema? Has he jumped into the darkness or is
he a lab artist working for an art corporation (Turbulence???).
My analogy allows me a lot of goodwill to artists. Most have to start out
somewhere, and you do have to learn your trade along the way. So Cory
certainly hasn't jumped off the edge this week, but he might do it next
week. I think he's engaged with a starting point that has tons of potential
(do computers dream of electric sheep), but he hasn't the courage or the
knowledge to push it where it needs to go, so he ends up with a somewhat
banal (though I love it) set of graphics which allows us to perform the
favourite trick of the philistine, comparing this work to that work, been
there, done that ...

Crikey, its freezing in my space today and my fingers are seizing up.

Cheers,
Ivan

--
Ivan Pope
ivan@ivanpope.com
www.ivanpope.com
www.tochki-inc.com

"Faster, faster, until the thrill of speed overcomes the fear of death"
Hunter S. Thompson