Sorry, I just had to go out for some air. It gets a bit claustrophobic in
here sometimes.
:-)
Ivan
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael Szpakowski" <
szpako@yahoo.com>
To: "furtherfield" <
info@furtherfield.org>; "joseph mcelroy"
<
joseph@electrichands.com>; <
list@rhizome.org>
Cc: "t.whid" <
twhid@mteww.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2003 12:28 PM
Subject: Re: RHIZOME_RAW: Re: Fwd: FW: Digital Artists: Call for Entries
> Hi
> I just wanted to add my threepennyworth.
> I often disagree with T Whid but I always read his
> posts. They're informed, intelligent and often funny.
> I was *deeply* unhappy with the tone of his recent
> post and I said so.
> He replied in some detail and as far as I'm concerned
> we've said our pieces on this matter & we simply
> disagree. I've no wish to pursue endless pesonalised
> wrangling - my preference as always is for fierce but
> courteous debate on the issues.
> best
> michael
>
> --- furtherfield <
info@furtherfield.org> wrote:
> > Hi Joseph,
> >
> > I kind of feel that T.Whid has always been one of
> > the more polite dudes on
> > rhizome, not actively attacking someone to make
> > himself feel better. That's
> > not his buzz - not like some of the other rhizome
> > dead-heads who used the
> > identity of 'Karei' to personally attack users on
> > the list as an in-house
> > joke on the list users - kool eh!
> >
> > That's why I was surprised...but I am beginning to
> > get the gist that it was
> > not personal - I hope.
> >
> > Also, when we visited New York recently, T.Whid was
> > one of the least snotty
> > and more openly friendly out of most of the rhizome
> > list users that we met
> > (other than you good self of course).
> >
> > marc
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > May I point out to one and all that the extent of
> > a certain t.whid's
> > brilliant critique of our own work consisted almost
> > entirely of the words
> > >
> > > "crappy work"
> > >
> > > <applause><applause>
> > >
> > > Q: What do you get when you cross a hippopotamus
> > and a black hawk?
> > > A: A Hippocritic dressed in black.
> > >
> > > <applause><applause>
> > >
> > > joseph
> > >
> > >
> > > t.whid wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ---- Michael Szpakowski <
szpako@yahoo.com>
> > wrote:
> > > > > See, T. - I think you're being just a bit
> > disingenuous
> > > > > here.
> > > >
> > > > how? I've been honest the entire time.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > All of the people involved in praising Jess's
> > work
> > > > > yesterday have posted rigorous, critical and
> > closely
> > > > > argued stuff over the last few months.
> > > >
> > > > no argument, i was responding specifically to
> > the posts i quoted in
> > > > my
> > > > original post.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Could it be that your reaction to the posts
> > has more
> > > > > to do with the fact that many of those posting
> > have
> > > > > either explicitly or implicitly adopted
> > positions on
> > > > > this list that are opposed to your idea of
> > what
> > > > > constitutes good or serious art.
> > > >
> > > > no, that could not be.
> > > >
> > > > > In an offlist mail to me you denied that you
> > had
> > > > > accused us of insincerity and yet the only
> > other
> > > > > possible reading of your post is that you
> > believe that
> > > > > you have some sort of privileged access as to
> > what
> > > > > constitutes the worthwhile.
> > > >
> > > > who's being disingenuous? I only posted that the
> > specific remarks
> > > > quoted in the post where not serious art
> > discussion but rather mere
> > > > back-slapping. I have no privilege other than
> > being able to read the
> > > > english language. I had no doubt that the
> > back-slapping was genuine,
> > > > my
> > > > critique was with the depth of the praise, not
> > that it wasn't genuine
> > > > or deserved.
> > > >
> > > > > Tell us please, just who *are* the Sunday
> > painters,
> > > > > the dilettantes of your post?
> > > >
> > > > people who aren't on this list. most on this
> > list don't fit into this
> > > > category. that was my critique, we are
> > collectively better than
> > > > that and i was hoping to raise the level of
> > discussion.
> > > >
> > > > > If you didn't think Jess's piece was any good
> > then why
> > > > > not address *that* rather than impugning the
> > motives
> > > > > of those who did?
> > > >
> > > > this is ridiculous. my opinions regarding Jess'
> > piece have nothing to
> > > > do with my post. i didn't want to mix up
> > whatever my reaction to the
> > > > piece might be and my criticism of the remarks
> > surrounding it.
> > > >
> > > > > I'd be more than happy to take part in an
> > extended
> > > > > and detailed discussion about the actual
> > artistic
> > > > > issues involved.
> > > >
> > > > that's all fine and good, but my point was to
> > address the level of
> > > > critical discussion and i think i'm through with
> > it.
> > > >
> > > > take care,
> > > > <twhid>
> > > >
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