Ivan Pope
Since the beginning
Works in Brighton United States of America

BIO
In the place where analogue and digital overlap, that's why you will find me in the kitchen at parties.
Everything is at my site, http://blog.ivanpope.com
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DISCUSSION

Re: Karei and Max


> From: "-IID42 Kandinskij @27+" <death@zaphod.terminal.org>

> Ivan wrote:
>
> .Aah, it still loves me then. Lovely. Ivan
>
> You kick yourself in the stomach,
> and you fancy that as love coming from an outside source?
>
> But then again, dear narcissus, it just coudn't be_ otherwise, could it?
>
If I am Narcissus, then you are merely my reflection, with which I have
fallen in love. Ah. Lovely. Yoo, hoo Kandinskij me old mate. You really are
so sweet and so understanding. Cheers, Ivan

DISCUSSION

Re: Karei and Max


> From: "-IID42 Kandinskij @27+" <death@zaphod.terminal.org>

>> If I am Narcissus, then you are merely my reflection,
>
> That's exactly how it is, isn't it?
> I am not your reflection, dearest.
> What you do, is you project_ your ego
> onto others, thusly attempting 'control'.
>
Hmm, thats exactly right. I project my ego onto others (thusly, oh, sort
your language out) to control them. Thats my project. What of it?
>

>> with which I have fallen in love. Ah. Lovely.
>
> Sure have. >
>
So we agree about something. Love is in the air.
>
But really, Kandi, you are a bit predictable these days.
>
Cheers, Ivan

DISCUSSION

Re: Karei and Max


> From: "-IID42 Kandinskij @27+" <death@zaphod.terminal.org>

>> I am doing it as an experiment, to see how it makes me feel.
>
> You who?
>
Oh, yoo hoo to you too Karei. Sweet.

DISCUSSION

Re: Buy Nothing Day


----- Original Message -----
From: Michael Szpakowski <szpako@yahoo.com>

> I think you're being a tad curmudgeonly here.
> It hardly takes a massive intellectual effort to
> relate to US cultural events/traditions,
> certainly less than to read Levi, or Dickens or
> Shakespeare and it strikes me as philistinism to boast
> of one's ignorance of any field ( even national
> holidays, traditions or currency - don't you read
> American literature? - it's more interesting and far
> less smug and parochial than anything being produced
> on our side of the Atlantic)
> I worry about this UK/USA, us & them tone that
> occasionally creeps into posts

Well, for sure I am a professional curmudgeon.
But that aside, I was just trying to point out that Thanksgiving day only
occurs in the US, so to relate what is surely a much wider concept to that
day leaves a lot of us cold ... what, we've just passed the busyest buying
day in the year, how could I have worked through it.
I mean, I am going to a Thanksgiving meal on Friday that is held every two
years by a good american friend of mine. But, I have to admit that I
approach it much as a muslim in the west must approach Xmas: I'm
enthusiastic for the general friendly event and it is good fun, but beyond
that it leaves me cold. It's not coded into my culture gene. What is the
national holiday in Egypt? What date is Liberation day in China? When is Yom
Kippur?
Anyway, my aim is not to make big points or to hurt anyone, but to niggle at
the interstices of communication.
Cheers,
Ivan

DISCUSSION

Re: Buy Nothing Day


----- Original Message -----
From: Francis Hwang <francis@rhizome.org>
> And although some of the references in the NAN piece could've been
explained for the benefit of non-USian members, overall I don't see why its
topicality should be in question, considering how political this list is. In
the U.S., we consume a tremendous amount of junk, and then our government
enforces economic imperialism using a number of brutal mechanisms, ranging
from armed intervention to the Bretton Woods institutions. It's a problem
that comes out of the U.S., but it affects the entire world in a fairly
direct way.
>
> Saying U.S. consumerism is only of interest to U.S. citizens is like
saying the Holocaust is only of interest to Germans.

Actually I was saying that Thanksgiving Day only means anything to citizens
of the US. In the UK there is no buying surge at this point of the calendar.
And we don't know when Thanksgiving Day is or why. So to tie a no buying day
to a purely US event means the day is at least conceptually a US thing.
I know its sometimes hard for US residents to see that we do not
automatically understand your cultural references - but surely that is part
of the problem.
Cheers,
Ivan