> Ivan, you should relax, you sound paranoid. Let me give you some reasons
why
> I am not Mouchette.
> 5. The intent of that post was not to generate debate. The fact of the
> matter is, Mouchette is a web site about sexuality and revolves around a
13
> year old girl. There is no debating this.
I'm sure we could debate it till the cows come home. I mean, even if we
accept that the site is 'about' 'sexuality' and a '13 year old' 'girl', we
can still debate it.
>This was also pointed out by
> Josephine Bosma- that the charector of Mouchette is a disgusting male
> fantasy. There is no denying this ...
You are just to dogmatic. What is not to be denied? That the character of
Mouchette is 'a disgusting male fantasy'. Is it the fantasy that is
disgusting? Or the content of the fantasy? Or the fact that it is male? On
what basis is it male? Why are things not to be denied?
I DENY IT.
I'd also like to point out that even if the Mouchette site was about a 13
year old girl when it was launched, it must now be about a 20 year old
woman.
>The post made its point and was
> actually "discussed", something which is a bit of a coup for Rhizome.
> However, if Ivan Pope doesn't agree with my sentiments I guess they're all
> for naught.
Well, we're all sentient beings. If you give us almost anything that is
totally preposterous we will jump in to discuss it, for a nanosecond at
least.
Anyway, it's not just me that doesn't agree with you sentiments. I don't
think anyone on Rhizome agreed with you, or thought you even had made any
sort of argument. That said, I'm sure we all respect your right to strike
such a position.
Sentiment is a strange and dangerous word.
Cheers,
Ivan
> 6. The presence of curse words shouldn't be confused with "outrage." The
> sleaziness that careerist artists will sink to in order to be considered
> more "controversial" and "relevant" is actually pretty hilarious. I have
to
> wonder who wrote the press release in question, if Mouchette did it
himself
> or if the Postmasters Gallery people did. I would think the Postmasters
> people could care less about my opinion. As you say Ivan, it is clear that
> neither rhizome or mouchette- nor myself- really matter in the grand
scheme
> of things.
>
> -e.
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ivan Pope" <
ivan@ivanpope.com>
> To: "Eryk Salvaggio" <
eryk@maine.rr.com>
> Cc: <
list@rhizome.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2003 7:36 PM
> Subject: Re: RHIZOME_RAW: Mouchette - special event this Sunday at
> Postmasters
>
>
> > > If people feel like they should associate themselves with me in order
to
> > > promote thier own work I guess I should be flattered. It's actually
> pretty
> > > interesting to be thought of as so important that my opinions on
peoples
> > > work have got to be "reckoned with" in press releases and project
> > > announcements.
> > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: "Postmasters Gallery/Magda" <
magda@thing.net>
> > > > >
> > > > > > The power of the Mouchette persona, and its ability to provoke
> > heated
> > > > > > debate around contemporary political and sexual issues has once
> > again
> > > > > > been demonstrated in the last few days by the exchange that has
> > taken
> > > > > > place at
http://rhizome.org. Contributors have speculated on
the
> > > > > > identity, and more particularly the gender, of the artist
> > responsible
> > > > > > for
http://www.mouchette.org, and argued about what they have
> called
> > > > > > a 'glorification of sexual abuse and a celebration of pedophilia
> > > > > > against young girls.'
> >
> > I don't think we argued much. Eryk made a post that seemed pretty
strange
> > and off centre to me. While he was obviously trying to generate some
> debate,
> > I don't think it really worked.
> > I think the timing of Eryk's out of the blue contribution on Rhizome is
> > curious, being swiftly followed by the use of the responses in this
press
> > release.
> > Again, Eryk is outraged by the use of his words:
> > ' Jesus Christ, I am like a fucking publicist for shitty artists
> everywhere.
> > Don't people have to ask my permission before using my words to promote
> > themselves? '
> > I think Eryk doth protest too much. I think he is closer to Mouchette
than
> > he has yet let on. If he is not Mouchette, then he is close to the
throne.
> > Maybe all will be revealed on Sunday, but I wouldn't count on it.
> > While some carefully constructed game is being played out, it is clear
> that
> > neither Mouchette nor Rhizome really matter in the broader scheme of
> things.
> > Cheers,
> > Ivan
> >
> >
>