Ivan Pope
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more on Cory Arcangel's "Data Diaries"


On Data Diaries:

> On Tuesday, February 18, 2003, at 02:05 PM, Alexander Galloway wrote:
>
> > ... this
> > leaves Cory, playing in the rec room with his Pixelvision
> > camcorder--all dirt-style, geekcore, and what we like.
>
> (so clearly, better to be filed under cinema than net.art)
>
negative - It ain't punk.

Personally, I like Cory's work a lot more than all those parisians working
their butts off with Director and collaborating with eachother.
I've never been or wanted to be a filmmaker of any stripe, though I have
worked with a lot of film in my time.
Cory's work is everything to do with the computer subconcious and nothing to
do with the network.
From a film perspective, there is nothing in Cory's work that hasn't been
done a million times.
On the other hand, to say that is to totally miss the point.

I just think the flow of work gets more and more exciting, though no work
stands alone or above the movement.

Cheers,
Ivan
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DISCUSSION

Re: DON'T FORWARD THIS [Fwd: Fwd: Fw: Slow Dance - Time is short - Please read]


Don't send this stuff on. It is _always_ a hoax. No-one is donating anythin=
g. There is no way of tracking these emails. It's just some sick joke.
Ivan

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----- Original Message -----
From: Vijay Pattisapu
To: list@rhizome.org
Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2003 10:33 PM
Subject: RHIZOME_RAW: [Fwd: Fwd: Fw: Slow Dance - Time is short - Please =
read]

>This poem was written by a terminally ill young girl in a
>New York Hospital.....
>------------------------------------------------------------------------=
--------------
>
> -----Original Message-----
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Arya, Ram
> Sent: Monday, January 06, 2003 7:53 AM
> To: Pickering, John
> Subject: FW: Slow Dance - Time is short - Please read
>
> This poem was written by a terminally ill young girl in a New York=
Hospital.
> It was sent by a medical doctor - Make sure to read what is in the c=
losing
> statement AFTER THE POEM.
>
> SLOW DANCE
>
> Have you ever watched kids
>
> On a merry-go-round?
>
> Or listened to the rain
>
> Slapping on the ground?
>
> Ever followed a butterfly's erratic flight?
>
> Or gazed at the sun into the fading night?
>
> You better slow down.
>
> Don't dance so fast.
>
> Time is short.
>
> The music won't last.
>
> Do you run through each day
>
> On the fly?
>
> When you ask How are you?
>
> Do you hear the reply?
>
> When the day is done
>
> Do you lie in your bed
>
> With the next hundred chores
>
> Running through your head?
>
> You'd better slow down
>
> Don't dance so fast.
>
> Time is short.
>
> The music won't last.
>
> Ever told your child,
>
> We'll do it tomorrow?
>
> And in your haste,
>
> Not see his sorrow?
>
> Ever lost touch,
>
> Let a good friendship die
>
> Cause you never had time
>
> To call and say,"hi"
>
> You'd better slow down.
>
> Don't dance so fast.
>
> Time is short.
>
> The music won't last.
>
> When you run so fast to get somewhere
>
> You miss half the fun of getting there.
>
> When you worry and hurry through your day,
>
> It is like an unopened gift....
>
> Thrown away.
>
> Life is not a race.
>
> Do take it slower
>
> Hear the music
>
> Before the song is over.
>
> PLEASE FORWARD THIS TO HELP THIS LITTLE GIRL.
>
> ALL FORWARDED E-MAILS ARE TRACKED TO OBTAIN THE TOTAL COUNT.
>
> Dear All:
>
> PLEASE pass this mail on to everybody you know.
>
> It is the request of a special little girl who
>
> will soon leave this world as she has cancer.
>
> Please send this to everyone you know or don't know.
>
> This little girl has 6 months left to live, and as her dying wish,=

>
> She wanted to send a letter telling everyone to live
>
> their life to the fullest, since she never will.
>
> She'll never make it to prom, graduate from high
>
> school, or get married and have a family of her own.
>
> By you sending this to as many people as possible,
>
> you can give her and her family a little hope,
>
> because with every name that this is sent to,
> The American Cancer Society
> will donate 3 cents per name to her treatment and recovery plan.
>
> One guy sent this to 500 people! So I know that we can send it to at=
least 5 or 6.
> Just think it could be you one day. It's not even your money, just y=
our time!
>
> PLEASE PASS ON AS A LAST REQUEST
>
> Dr. Dennis Shields, Professor
> Department of Developmental and Molecular Biology
> 1300 Morris Park Avenue
> Bronx , New York 10461

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Nice poem, Hope you enjoy it!

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Sent: Friday, February 07, 2003 12:24 PM
Subject: FW: Slow Dance - Time is short - Please read

This poem was written by a terminally ill young girl in a
New York Hospital.....
-------------------------------------------------------------------------=
-------------

-----Original Message-----

-----Original Message-----
From: Arya, Ram
Sent: Monday, January 06, 2003 7:53 AM
To: Pickering, John
Subject: FW: Slow Dance - Time is short - Please read

This poem was written by a terminally ill young girl in a New York =
Hospital.
It was sent by a medical doctor - Make sure to read what is in the cl=
osing
statement AFTER THE POEM.

SLOW DANCE

Have you ever watched kids

On a merry-go-round?

Or listened to the rain

Slapping on the ground?

Ever followed a butterfly's erratic flight?

Or gazed at the sun into the fading night?

You better slow down.

Don't dance so fast.

Time is short.

The music won't last.

Do you run through each day

On the fly?

When you ask How are you?

Do you hear the reply?

When the day is done

Do you lie in your bed

With the next hundred chores

Running through your head?

You'd better slow down

Don't dance so fast.

Time is short.

The music won't last.

Ever told your child,

We'll do it tomorrow?

And in your haste,

Not see his sorrow?

Ever lost touch,

Let a good friendship die

Cause you never had time

To call and say,"hi"

You'd better slow down.

Don't dance so fast.

Time is short.

The music won't last.

When you run so fast to get somewhere

You miss half the fun of getting there.

When you worry and hurry through your day,

It is like an unopened gift....

Thrown away.

Life is not a race.

Do take it slower

Hear the music

Before the song is over.

PLEASE FORWARD THIS TO HELP THIS LITTLE GIRL.

ALL FORWARDED E-MAILS ARE TRACKED TO OBTAIN THE TOTAL COUNT.

Dear All:

PLEASE pass this mail on to everybody you know.

It is the request of a special little girl who

will soon leave this world as she has cancer.

Please send this to everyone you know or don't know.

This little girl has 6 months left to live, and as her dying wish,

She wanted to send a letter telling everyone to live

their life to the fullest, since she never will.

She'll never make it to prom, graduate from high

school, or get married and have a family of her own.

By you sending this to as many people as possible,

you can give her and her family a little hope,

because with every name that this is sent to,
The American Cancer Society
will donate 3 cents per name to her treatment and recovery plan.

One guy sent this to 500 people! So I know that we can send it to at =
least 5 or 6.
Just think it could be you one day. It's not even your money, just yo=
ur time!

PLEASE PASS ON AS A LAST REQUEST

Dr. Dennis Shields, Professor
Department of Developmental and Molecular Biology
1300 Morris Park Avenue
Bronx , New York 10461

DISCUSSION

Re: DATA DIARIES by CORY ARCANGEL on Turbulence


----- Original Message -----
From: Michael Szpakowski <szpako@yahoo.com>

> why?- do we just have to be endlessly relativist? -

Well, I don't want to get too literal about this, but you used the term
'artistically and
> intellectually bankrupt'. To me that implies that the piece had run out of
artistic and intellectual credit, i.e. positioned against those works that
still had artistic and intellectual currency to hand. That's a relative
argument to me.

> -it seems to me
> it is worth arguing about what constitutes "good" in
> art and why.

ok, point taken about polemic. I'd like to see you set out what you consider
'good' (which is of course another relativist concept).
Also, did you consider Cory's piece to be bad art or not art at all. Your
original statement that it is 'artistically bankrupt' implies that it is
art, but art that has gone bust.
Cheers,
Ivan

DISCUSSION

Re: DATA DIARIES by CORY ARCANGEL on Turbulence


From: Michael Szpakowski <szpako@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: RHIZOME_RAW: DATA DIARIES by CORY ARCANGEL on Turbulence

> --- "Marisa S. Olson" <marisa@sfcamerawork.org>
> wrote:
> > "data diaries" is one of the most beautiful things
> > i've see on the
> > net in quite some time and, in all honesty, it's
> > restored some of my
> > recently lost faith/enchantment with net art.

> What can I say -I'm glad it does it for you.
> I found it utterly trite. I'm not interested in
> arguing whether it's net art or not ( who cares
> whether it's this or that critical category).
> I meant poverty in the sense of artistically and
> intellectually bankrupt.

At least we are arguing about art for a change!
I would say one thing that is just not worth claiming is that something is
'artistically and intellectually bankrupt'.
This obviously works for a lot of people and is withing a long and honorable
tradition (as was the lights on/lights off piece for the Turner prize).
It's bankrupt to claim an absolute position in relation to art.
I just love to see this sort of work come into the world. I'm glad there are
people who bother to do this.
More of everything, please.
Cheers,
Ivan

DISCUSSION

Re: [Fwd: WILLIAM F. BUCKLEY ON FRANCE]


To me, all such analyses fall to the basic assumption: the US is totally
right, and any opposition to such rightness can only be explained by resort
to a convolution of national stereotypes.
Seeing as the 'crisis', as is, is entirely constructed by the US, and that
most countries around the world oppose naked US browbeating, it is hard to
see that France or Germany are automatically in the wrong. I mean, we could
unconditionally accept the maxim that might is right, and let the US get on
with it. Or we can state our positions and discuss. Surely it is actually a
statement of the power of Germany and France that they arouse such fury.
I do, however, like the suggestion of the US and the UK that we just ignore
inconvenient factors such as vetos in the security council if they
inconvenience us.
As for Paul Johnson being a 'British sage', ho, ho, only to a few crusty old
colonels.
Cheers, Ivan

> From: "Vijay Pattisapu" <disco@junglist.com>

> ...hmm...rather tart...
>
> what does rhizome think?
>
> Vijay
>
>
>>> Feb. 14, 2003
>>> The Spoils of Glory
>>> What to do about France and NATO.
>>>

>>> The plight of France is brilliantly examined by the Strategic
>>> Forecasting Intelligence unit of Texas. The analyst reminds us of
>>> the basic problem of modern France, which is that it isn't strong enough
>>> to figure dominantly on the international scene by the mere deployment
>>> of its geopolitical or commercial resources. This requires a very heavy
>>> load on its cultural resources. These are formidable, but how many operas
>>> comiques are needed to float out the single French aircraft carrier?
>>> The Charles de Gaulle has scarcely left harbor during its accident-prone
>>> existence. The British sage Paul Johnson, summarizing France's straitened
>>> military, writes that "there is no chance of the French cutting a bella
>>> figura in any hostilities, and so the easy way out for her is to oppose
>>> them."
>>>
>>> The aircraft carrier's eponym intuited the problem in 1966, when, as
>>> president of France, he dramatically pulled the French out of the NATO
>>> administration. He did not pull out of NATO < France is still a member of
>>> that alliance, but the authority to deploy French military remains that of
>>> France alone. It is because of that rupture that the NATO administration was
>>> relocated to Brussels, where it sits cheek by jowl with the European Union.
>>> If every one of the NATO powers were to abide by de Gaulle's maxims < never
>>> divest yourself of your own power, but engage in ad hoc alignments to
>>> magnify that power < a stable alliance would be impossible. And the
>>> challenge of Iraq is illustrating an instability we'd have done better
>>> to anticipate more skillfully. What we have now, of course, is the
>>> inexpugnable challenge of taming the Iraqi beast, and the need to absorb a
>>> NATO alliance with room given for the caprice of the two major nations of <
>>> old Europe.
>>>
>>> The parliamentarians are getting great exercise in the libertine theater.
>>> There is the sense of independence not only from the power of the
>>> superpower, but from the restraints that attach to ordered rhetoric. Belgium
>>> wants, no less, to try General Sharon, after he leaves office, as a war
>>> criminal . That is the kind of thing against which cool heads warned when
>>> General Pinochet suddenly found himself a prisoner in London. Donald
>>> Rumsfeld let it fly against Germany that in behaving as it lately has, it is
>>> in the same league as Cuba and Libya. That did it for Germany's defense
>>> minister, Peter Struck, who, taking a firm grip on his pince-nez, fumed
>>> that what Rumsfeld said was "beyond impertinent. . . . It isn't acceptable.
>>> It is out of order. It is even un-American."
>>>
>>> "In recent months," writes Paul Johnson in National Review , the
>>> anti-American pitch "has surpassed itself in its fury at the notion of
>>> 'Texas adolescents' wielding more power than 'European sophisticates.' Mixed
>>> in this bouillabaisse of rage are anti-Semitism, a distrust of popular>
>>> democracy, frustrated socialism, and a smug use of French cultural
>>> superiority."
>>>
>>> What to do? "When the French elites are in such a mood they are beyond the
>>> reach of argument and are best ignored."
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>
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