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BIO
born in 1962 in Lier, Belgium.
studied filology at Louvain, Belgium.
worked a lot in bars and restaurants before i became obsessivly addicted to producing stuff on computers.
i once won a design contest of cgi-magazine and they let me go to New York for four days, that was nice.
i think in terms of writing mostly (or programming, but those are very similar processes for me)
painting is a very different process and i'm very bad at it but i do it anyway because i like the differences it produces and i like the freshness of amateurism, i guess.
what i produce new media-wise is also very much influenced by my daily practice of webdesign and programming with its concerns of usability and the pragmatic approach it implies.
studied filology at Louvain, Belgium.
worked a lot in bars and restaurants before i became obsessivly addicted to producing stuff on computers.
i once won a design contest of cgi-magazine and they let me go to New York for four days, that was nice.
i think in terms of writing mostly (or programming, but those are very similar processes for me)
painting is a very different process and i'm very bad at it but i do it anyway because i like the differences it produces and i like the freshness of amateurism, i guess.
what i produce new media-wise is also very much influenced by my daily practice of webdesign and programming with its concerns of usability and the pragmatic approach it implies.
Re: what is the name for this type of work?
seed
somewhere in between sense 4 & 5 in Wordnet 2.0:
The noun seed has 5 senses (first 2 from tagged texts)
1. (12) seed -- (a small hard fruit)
2. (5) seed -- (a mature fertilized plant ovule consisting of an embryo and
its food source and having a protective coat or testa)
3. seeded player, seed -- (one of the outstanding players in a tournament)
4. source, seed, germ -- (anything that provides inspiration for later work)
5. semen, seed, seminal fluid, ejaculate, cum -- (the thick white fluid
containing spermatozoa that is ejaculated by the male genital tract)
dv @ Neue Kathedrale des erotischen Elends
http://www.vilt.net/nkdee
> -----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
> Van: owner-list@rhizome.org [mailto:owner-list@rhizome.org]
> Namens Jim Andrews
> Verzonden: maandag 14 november 2005 12:06
> Aan: list@rhizome.org
> Onderwerp: RHIZOME_RAW: what is the name for this type of work?
>
> I am wondering if there is a name for a type of work that is
> aleatorically generative (the entities generated are, in
> part, the result of random
> processes) and the idea is to select among the entities as to
> which are meaningful and which aren't. In other words, the
> generation is not intended to produce nothing but gems but,
> instead, invites selectivity amongst the generated entities.
>
> ja
> http://vispo.com
>
>
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somewhere in between sense 4 & 5 in Wordnet 2.0:
The noun seed has 5 senses (first 2 from tagged texts)
1. (12) seed -- (a small hard fruit)
2. (5) seed -- (a mature fertilized plant ovule consisting of an embryo and
its food source and having a protective coat or testa)
3. seeded player, seed -- (one of the outstanding players in a tournament)
4. source, seed, germ -- (anything that provides inspiration for later work)
5. semen, seed, seminal fluid, ejaculate, cum -- (the thick white fluid
containing spermatozoa that is ejaculated by the male genital tract)
dv @ Neue Kathedrale des erotischen Elends
http://www.vilt.net/nkdee
> -----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
> Van: owner-list@rhizome.org [mailto:owner-list@rhizome.org]
> Namens Jim Andrews
> Verzonden: maandag 14 november 2005 12:06
> Aan: list@rhizome.org
> Onderwerp: RHIZOME_RAW: what is the name for this type of work?
>
> I am wondering if there is a name for a type of work that is
> aleatorically generative (the entities generated are, in
> part, the result of random
> processes) and the idea is to select among the entities as to
> which are meaningful and which aren't. In other words, the
> generation is not intended to produce nothing but gems but,
> instead, invites selectivity amongst the generated entities.
>
> ja
> http://vispo.com
>
>
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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: 3D Holographic projectors?
> Dirk Vekemans wrote:
>> it may have been something similar to these:
> > http://www.laser-magic.com/transscreen.html
> >
> >
> with 3D projection i mean something where you have to wear
> glasses in order to see 3D. the above link is of that kind.
Don't know Nad, but they specifically claim you don't need glasses on the
page...
I know a guy from the old days who's doing club & disco decoration now, i'll
ask him. I'll report here,to whom it may concern. i guess much of the
recent affordable/experimental high tech makes it to the club scene first,
haven't been there for some time. I think the man 'did' a club in Berlin
too, don't ask me which.
>
> also doesnt look like too much christian iconography was put
> into it :-) :-)
>
All icons are garbage of human consciousness, so yes Christian iconography
can and has become part of the Cathedral food chain at times. As author of
the thing, i'm not supposed to discriminate (it is mentioned somewhere in
the infinite text of the First Rule that also states the author should not
mention the Cathedral publicly without mentioning the First Rule because
that is supposed to make people curious about the Second Rule and hence
create some pressure to finish the writing of the First Rule). Oops , i
guess i just blew it for IBM to sponsor me.
>
> >[snap]
> they have these light shows often in discoteques or cinemas,
> which means also that they are more or less in the price range of
> consumer electronics.
> there are also artists which work with them.
> may be there is someone in the rhizome community???
Is there?
>
> ok i got it. but i think this is a bit different from the letters in
> the wailing wall, but may be i am wrong.
>
Thanks , i was looking for the correct word in English, all day, should have
tried a dictionary or google propably. But then i would have run the risk of
reading too much about it and not using my private perception of it, which
is probably wrong in many ways but i want to accept such content as it came
to me. My project deals with the way meaning gets 'built up'in the process
of living more than with meaning as a deliberate construct to engage
reality.
So sure it's different. You wouldn't want to offend anything or anyone by
trying to build a replica with some high tech to make up for the lack of
content. In spite of my irony i have a deep respect for genuine religious
feelings and the way they are transcoded to functional icons like the
Wailing wall.
> what will happen to all your collected data? (i always wondered
> what happens to all those letters in the wailing wall, like when
> they fall down or when they get washed out etc.)
>
Then again some similarities may become apparent. There just aren't a
million ways to go about giving answers to the same needs. In my view, the
Wailing Wall functions the way it does because the messages/prayers/wails
are garbaged by that system, but the garbaging doesn't necessarily mean the
end of the message, the message is probably within the act of writing and
given a correct ontology that act is eternal. On a symbolic level, as one
would be expected to call it- i would prefer to call it a virtual plane of
consistency, all the material bits in the process, writing it down, putting
the paper in the wall, allowing it to wither away, are all necessary parts
of the 'vinculum' that is being created by each instance of writing.The term
vinculum comes from Leibniz as interpreted by Deleuze and denotes a linking
process between monadic forms of becoming. Similarly, and more easy to
comprehend, you don't need to belief in a Protestant God to accept the
reality of Bach's Passions, there are very few, if any notes in those
compositions that aren't real. Any jazz musician would go yeah and nod
humbly at each note, i think. In that way 'artistic reality' is ruled by
equally stringent determination as is pure science.
What would be unreal about the Wailing Wall is trying to lift it to a global
scale: it can only function the way it does for the local community or
pilgrims going there. The Eifel tower wouldn't mean anything in Berlin, the
Statue of Liberty wouldn't mean a ny thing in NY if it wasn't given by the
French, untsoweiter. Material things get their meaning by being part of a
process of production/garbaging of desire, and for me much of the making in
the artmaking business is about allowing that to happen, calling for a pure
zen-like form of modesty on the part of the author that is hard to attain
and mostly, often sadly, ridiculed by pouring too much money of eager
sponsors in it. Corruption in art is not about corrupt artists (mostly),
it's about blind, encapsulating commercial processes corrupting original
meaning.
I think if you're serious about making art you can only fool yourself very
temporarily sponsoring doesn't affect the meaning of what you're doing. Just
another problem, less technical, more time needed, perhaps.
> >
> > It could be done, less expensively, as pure (virtual if
> you want but
> > i
> > think that's a bad word) net.art too, but that would be
> missing out on
> > the
> > 'materialising' part of the project as it already is taking
> its form
> > in
> > things like paintings and satues and the like.
> >
>
> ..making a light sculpture is not really "materializing".... :-)
>
Exactly: that's why the brackets are there. It's a step towards
materialising though, an allowance of sorts, an invitation perhaps. What is
needed is a transformation of the negative to a positive impuls. Global
respons to urgent matters doesn't build up to much else than more negativity
actually worsening the situation. Making art in the luxury we live in can
only be meaningful if it succeeds in contributing, albeit ever so slightly,
to offer an escape route from the negative, release the pressure a bit. A
good poem is always positive because it creates time, slows down language to
a point where you feel the presence of a beauty that is not in the linear
alignment of the words.Houdini became an icon of succesful American art
because he could literary escape in any situation, offer the working masses
a glimps of the beauty of the impossible, transforming it to a positive
impetus. Perhaps post-modernism go us stuck in trying/failing to find
meaning in the chains that can only be understood as the garbage of the
liberating/redeeming process.
> but in short: what i understood, what you have in mind is not
> yet FULLY realizable in terms of todays technology (at least
> thats what i think...) but probably it will be
> realizable in a few years. i think there is a technological jump
> taking place right now.
>
Well if it's not fully realisable right now, starting to think about it
seriously may be the correct timing. Thanks for your constructive opinions.
dv
> nad
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>> it may have been something similar to these:
> > http://www.laser-magic.com/transscreen.html
> >
> >
> with 3D projection i mean something where you have to wear
> glasses in order to see 3D. the above link is of that kind.
Don't know Nad, but they specifically claim you don't need glasses on the
page...
I know a guy from the old days who's doing club & disco decoration now, i'll
ask him. I'll report here,to whom it may concern. i guess much of the
recent affordable/experimental high tech makes it to the club scene first,
haven't been there for some time. I think the man 'did' a club in Berlin
too, don't ask me which.
>
> also doesnt look like too much christian iconography was put
> into it :-) :-)
>
All icons are garbage of human consciousness, so yes Christian iconography
can and has become part of the Cathedral food chain at times. As author of
the thing, i'm not supposed to discriminate (it is mentioned somewhere in
the infinite text of the First Rule that also states the author should not
mention the Cathedral publicly without mentioning the First Rule because
that is supposed to make people curious about the Second Rule and hence
create some pressure to finish the writing of the First Rule). Oops , i
guess i just blew it for IBM to sponsor me.
>
> >[snap]
> they have these light shows often in discoteques or cinemas,
> which means also that they are more or less in the price range of
> consumer electronics.
> there are also artists which work with them.
> may be there is someone in the rhizome community???
Is there?
>
> ok i got it. but i think this is a bit different from the letters in
> the wailing wall, but may be i am wrong.
>
Thanks , i was looking for the correct word in English, all day, should have
tried a dictionary or google propably. But then i would have run the risk of
reading too much about it and not using my private perception of it, which
is probably wrong in many ways but i want to accept such content as it came
to me. My project deals with the way meaning gets 'built up'in the process
of living more than with meaning as a deliberate construct to engage
reality.
So sure it's different. You wouldn't want to offend anything or anyone by
trying to build a replica with some high tech to make up for the lack of
content. In spite of my irony i have a deep respect for genuine religious
feelings and the way they are transcoded to functional icons like the
Wailing wall.
> what will happen to all your collected data? (i always wondered
> what happens to all those letters in the wailing wall, like when
> they fall down or when they get washed out etc.)
>
Then again some similarities may become apparent. There just aren't a
million ways to go about giving answers to the same needs. In my view, the
Wailing Wall functions the way it does because the messages/prayers/wails
are garbaged by that system, but the garbaging doesn't necessarily mean the
end of the message, the message is probably within the act of writing and
given a correct ontology that act is eternal. On a symbolic level, as one
would be expected to call it- i would prefer to call it a virtual plane of
consistency, all the material bits in the process, writing it down, putting
the paper in the wall, allowing it to wither away, are all necessary parts
of the 'vinculum' that is being created by each instance of writing.The term
vinculum comes from Leibniz as interpreted by Deleuze and denotes a linking
process between monadic forms of becoming. Similarly, and more easy to
comprehend, you don't need to belief in a Protestant God to accept the
reality of Bach's Passions, there are very few, if any notes in those
compositions that aren't real. Any jazz musician would go yeah and nod
humbly at each note, i think. In that way 'artistic reality' is ruled by
equally stringent determination as is pure science.
What would be unreal about the Wailing Wall is trying to lift it to a global
scale: it can only function the way it does for the local community or
pilgrims going there. The Eifel tower wouldn't mean anything in Berlin, the
Statue of Liberty wouldn't mean a ny thing in NY if it wasn't given by the
French, untsoweiter. Material things get their meaning by being part of a
process of production/garbaging of desire, and for me much of the making in
the artmaking business is about allowing that to happen, calling for a pure
zen-like form of modesty on the part of the author that is hard to attain
and mostly, often sadly, ridiculed by pouring too much money of eager
sponsors in it. Corruption in art is not about corrupt artists (mostly),
it's about blind, encapsulating commercial processes corrupting original
meaning.
I think if you're serious about making art you can only fool yourself very
temporarily sponsoring doesn't affect the meaning of what you're doing. Just
another problem, less technical, more time needed, perhaps.
> >
> > It could be done, less expensively, as pure (virtual if
> you want but
> > i
> > think that's a bad word) net.art too, but that would be
> missing out on
> > the
> > 'materialising' part of the project as it already is taking
> its form
> > in
> > things like paintings and satues and the like.
> >
>
> ..making a light sculpture is not really "materializing".... :-)
>
Exactly: that's why the brackets are there. It's a step towards
materialising though, an allowance of sorts, an invitation perhaps. What is
needed is a transformation of the negative to a positive impuls. Global
respons to urgent matters doesn't build up to much else than more negativity
actually worsening the situation. Making art in the luxury we live in can
only be meaningful if it succeeds in contributing, albeit ever so slightly,
to offer an escape route from the negative, release the pressure a bit. A
good poem is always positive because it creates time, slows down language to
a point where you feel the presence of a beauty that is not in the linear
alignment of the words.Houdini became an icon of succesful American art
because he could literary escape in any situation, offer the working masses
a glimps of the beauty of the impossible, transforming it to a positive
impetus. Perhaps post-modernism go us stuck in trying/failing to find
meaning in the chains that can only be understood as the garbage of the
liberating/redeeming process.
> but in short: what i understood, what you have in mind is not
> yet FULLY realizable in terms of todays technology (at least
> thats what i think...) but probably it will be
> realizable in a few years. i think there is a technological jump
> taking place right now.
>
Well if it's not fully realisable right now, starting to think about it
seriously may be the correct timing. Thanks for your constructive opinions.
dv
> nad
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Re: Re: Re: Re: 3D Holographic projectors?
> i dont know what they did there, but i assume they used a
> special screen. are you sure that it was really a holographic
> projection or just a 3D projection?
I'm not sure, i only caught a glimps of it, the kids were making lots of
noise :-), it may have been something similar to these:
http://www.laser-magic.com/transscreen.html
>
> why a cathedral?
Not a cathedral, the Cathedral of erotic Misery cfr. my Schwitters-inspired
project at www.vilt.net . Don't think the Vatican will go for it ;-)
What i want to project is a considerably enlarged 3d image of the wooden
statue i have made of the Cathedral. The statue itself is only 19x25x7 cm
see http://www.vilt.net/nkdee/data/photo/fo_print.jpg but i want it visible
and floating in mid air some 3 meters high, it can be flickering, affected
by outdoor conditions or look unreal otherwise it only needs to create an
illusion of something being up there and the statue should be recognisable.
I would only start off a time sequence of projection when some user input
whas recorded, either through the internet or at the wall downstairs.
> a much cheaper variant would be to use a laser light show,
> where the laser beams are tracing out the building in a very
> sketchy fashion. i would like that actually better because it
> would dematerialize the cathedral or house and put an
> emphasis on its functioning as a shed and in the case of a
> cathedral may be also as being a symbol of a link to "higher
> forces" or whatever. and you would get away a bit from the
> christian iconography.
I would like to start with the cheapest solution available and gradually
make it look more convincing, in other versions of the set-up that would be
restricted to indoor installations.
Someone else mailed me privately she saw something like this being done in
the eighties, so i guess that might have been a laser projection. Do you or
anyone else know what quality of image such techniques might be capable of
in outdoor conditions? Or whether you could have the static 3d input mixed
with other input like words or part of words going through it, whether you
could fade in/out inputs and overlap them in time?
> however i have to add that on a personal level i wouldnt like
> to have my personal comlaints and grieves being displayed
> openly on a videoscreen in a belgium suburb....
Oh i don't know about that. When the New Orleans disaster was happening, for
instance, people were very eager to file their complaints/griefs on several
blogs. People need a place to speak to/of their griefs when everything else
lets them down.
The system would need to be very respectfull for people, it will be a
difficult exercise to work out the details so that it would be ethically
right as well as aesthetically. You'd need to turn the news upside down for
instance, giving more attention to world regions where people won't be able
to get the attention other regions get at the slightest incident.Those
people would ofcourse not be able to file any complaint. So in a first
phase i would start collecting short impressions from field workers and use
those as inputs. Very personal griefs, the love-gone-bad and personal
tragedy type and some blatantly egocentric complaints by people living in
wealthy conditions would play their part too, but the system would need to
frame those in a global perspective.
So ofcourse the system would not simply be sending in a complaint or a
text on personal grief and than that being projected on a video wall. The
Cathedral would give some feedback, take the form of a web service with a
chatbot attached, a bit like ELIZA. The user would get personalised respons
privately, her complaint would be added to a dynamic complaint profile and
that would in turn influence the Cathedral's global respons ever so
slightly. So it would not be a Q&A type of conversation, more a continuous
monologue of the Cathedral service influenced by and responding to some
filtered elements from the user input. It would need to be very clear that a
machinic process is taking up your personal affairs in a visualisation of an
abstraction of global grief. People would need to be aware that *they* are
making the Cathedral happen the way it does.
It could be done, less expensively, as pure (virtual if you want but i
think that's a bad word) net.art too, but that would be missing out on the
'materialising' part of the project as it already is taking its form in
things like paintings and satues and the like.
Thanks,
dv
>
> nad
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> special screen. are you sure that it was really a holographic
> projection or just a 3D projection?
I'm not sure, i only caught a glimps of it, the kids were making lots of
noise :-), it may have been something similar to these:
http://www.laser-magic.com/transscreen.html
>
> why a cathedral?
Not a cathedral, the Cathedral of erotic Misery cfr. my Schwitters-inspired
project at www.vilt.net . Don't think the Vatican will go for it ;-)
What i want to project is a considerably enlarged 3d image of the wooden
statue i have made of the Cathedral. The statue itself is only 19x25x7 cm
see http://www.vilt.net/nkdee/data/photo/fo_print.jpg but i want it visible
and floating in mid air some 3 meters high, it can be flickering, affected
by outdoor conditions or look unreal otherwise it only needs to create an
illusion of something being up there and the statue should be recognisable.
I would only start off a time sequence of projection when some user input
whas recorded, either through the internet or at the wall downstairs.
> a much cheaper variant would be to use a laser light show,
> where the laser beams are tracing out the building in a very
> sketchy fashion. i would like that actually better because it
> would dematerialize the cathedral or house and put an
> emphasis on its functioning as a shed and in the case of a
> cathedral may be also as being a symbol of a link to "higher
> forces" or whatever. and you would get away a bit from the
> christian iconography.
I would like to start with the cheapest solution available and gradually
make it look more convincing, in other versions of the set-up that would be
restricted to indoor installations.
Someone else mailed me privately she saw something like this being done in
the eighties, so i guess that might have been a laser projection. Do you or
anyone else know what quality of image such techniques might be capable of
in outdoor conditions? Or whether you could have the static 3d input mixed
with other input like words or part of words going through it, whether you
could fade in/out inputs and overlap them in time?
> however i have to add that on a personal level i wouldnt like
> to have my personal comlaints and grieves being displayed
> openly on a videoscreen in a belgium suburb....
Oh i don't know about that. When the New Orleans disaster was happening, for
instance, people were very eager to file their complaints/griefs on several
blogs. People need a place to speak to/of their griefs when everything else
lets them down.
The system would need to be very respectfull for people, it will be a
difficult exercise to work out the details so that it would be ethically
right as well as aesthetically. You'd need to turn the news upside down for
instance, giving more attention to world regions where people won't be able
to get the attention other regions get at the slightest incident.Those
people would ofcourse not be able to file any complaint. So in a first
phase i would start collecting short impressions from field workers and use
those as inputs. Very personal griefs, the love-gone-bad and personal
tragedy type and some blatantly egocentric complaints by people living in
wealthy conditions would play their part too, but the system would need to
frame those in a global perspective.
So ofcourse the system would not simply be sending in a complaint or a
text on personal grief and than that being projected on a video wall. The
Cathedral would give some feedback, take the form of a web service with a
chatbot attached, a bit like ELIZA. The user would get personalised respons
privately, her complaint would be added to a dynamic complaint profile and
that would in turn influence the Cathedral's global respons ever so
slightly. So it would not be a Q&A type of conversation, more a continuous
monologue of the Cathedral service influenced by and responding to some
filtered elements from the user input. It would need to be very clear that a
machinic process is taking up your personal affairs in a visualisation of an
abstraction of global grief. People would need to be aware that *they* are
making the Cathedral happen the way it does.
It could be done, less expensively, as pure (virtual if you want but i
think that's a bad word) net.art too, but that would be missing out on the
'materialising' part of the project as it already is taking its form in
things like paintings and satues and the like.
Thanks,
dv
>
> nad
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Re: Re: 3D Holographic projectors?
> at east the last -more or less recent- project i heard of in
> that direction was this one:
> http://www.trnmag.com/Stories/2003/032603/3D_holo_video_arrive
> s_032603.html
> or
> http://innovation.swmed.edu/research/instrumentation/res_inst_
> dev3d.html
>
> but may be someone knows about some other recent project in
> "classical" holography and video - would be interesting to hear!
>
> > If anything exists already that could project in open-air?
> > I was thinking it would be nice if some group/org could make these
> > things available, have us propose projects for them to periodically
> > show them in major cities (NY, Melbourne, Paris, Bagdad, London,
> > Bejing, Alken) or travelling art shows.
>
> .if you include berlin into this list than i think this is a
> good idea (...just joking...:-))
>
>
> nad
Thanks for the links Nad. Looks like much still needs to drizzle down from
the military, things being what they are.
I was joking a bit too,suspecting the technology would be extremely
expensive still, but i'd really consider doing something with the emergent
technology if i could lay my hands on something that could generate
something of the princess leia type. No need to walk around it, it would
only have to give the illusion of something substantial *unframed* by any
screen.
So perhaps what i want is possible?
Now a few months ago i saw some Sony CEO deliver a speech to an audience
indoor on television. Apparantly it was taped and delivered by holographic
projection in a convincing way and the sony people were ofcourse equally
convincing in claiming it to be the next revolution in projection
technology.
The project i have in mind would need to project a convincing image of a
cathedral structure rising above a flat-roofed building some 3 meters above
street level. It would have to be convincing if you walk past it from the
street below so the view angle could be restricted to some 100 degrees.The
image itself would need to be 3x3x1 m. I would prefer being able to mix a
static 3d image of the cathedral with some close-to-real-time generated
images, but a simple static image would do too i suppose. The one thing it
can't have is having screens visible, not even during daytime. Part of the
meaning/poetry of the project would be for the image to gradually visualise
as it gets dark, have rain drizzle through it etc. On the street level the
project would include 10 'regular' video screens on a wall showing
interactive net-content (the text of complaints/prayers submitted by users
worldwide to the Cathedral mixed with updating images of human attrocities,
natural disasters and statistics on our deteriorating global condition- in
short a kind of wall of complaints like the one in Jerusalem but a bit more,
er, explicit is the word i think).
It would have to be in some totally unknown place, like the suburbian part
of Belgium i live in, but i'd happily lend the cathedral to anyone able to
get it done somewhere else. I just thought it'd be nice to use emergent tech
and spend some big money to focus on what's really happening. Don't think
you could walk past it and not get the idea that something needs to be done,
your life needed to change like mr rilke is quoted as saying in another
discussion here.
Mr rilke by the way did change his life: he left his wife and child in
misery and turned to rich lady patrons at the riviera coast to enable him to
write more of his high-spirited idealistic & historically over-rated crappy
semi-fascist nonsense.
Sorry, needed to get that off my chest. The Picot work is nice enough and
thoughtfully made, i just can't stand the r-guy and all he stands for in my
imagination.
Thanks again, Nad
dv
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> that direction was this one:
> http://www.trnmag.com/Stories/2003/032603/3D_holo_video_arrive
> s_032603.html
> or
> http://innovation.swmed.edu/research/instrumentation/res_inst_
> dev3d.html
>
> but may be someone knows about some other recent project in
> "classical" holography and video - would be interesting to hear!
>
> > If anything exists already that could project in open-air?
> > I was thinking it would be nice if some group/org could make these
> > things available, have us propose projects for them to periodically
> > show them in major cities (NY, Melbourne, Paris, Bagdad, London,
> > Bejing, Alken) or travelling art shows.
>
> .if you include berlin into this list than i think this is a
> good idea (...just joking...:-))
>
>
> nad
Thanks for the links Nad. Looks like much still needs to drizzle down from
the military, things being what they are.
I was joking a bit too,suspecting the technology would be extremely
expensive still, but i'd really consider doing something with the emergent
technology if i could lay my hands on something that could generate
something of the princess leia type. No need to walk around it, it would
only have to give the illusion of something substantial *unframed* by any
screen.
So perhaps what i want is possible?
Now a few months ago i saw some Sony CEO deliver a speech to an audience
indoor on television. Apparantly it was taped and delivered by holographic
projection in a convincing way and the sony people were ofcourse equally
convincing in claiming it to be the next revolution in projection
technology.
The project i have in mind would need to project a convincing image of a
cathedral structure rising above a flat-roofed building some 3 meters above
street level. It would have to be convincing if you walk past it from the
street below so the view angle could be restricted to some 100 degrees.The
image itself would need to be 3x3x1 m. I would prefer being able to mix a
static 3d image of the cathedral with some close-to-real-time generated
images, but a simple static image would do too i suppose. The one thing it
can't have is having screens visible, not even during daytime. Part of the
meaning/poetry of the project would be for the image to gradually visualise
as it gets dark, have rain drizzle through it etc. On the street level the
project would include 10 'regular' video screens on a wall showing
interactive net-content (the text of complaints/prayers submitted by users
worldwide to the Cathedral mixed with updating images of human attrocities,
natural disasters and statistics on our deteriorating global condition- in
short a kind of wall of complaints like the one in Jerusalem but a bit more,
er, explicit is the word i think).
It would have to be in some totally unknown place, like the suburbian part
of Belgium i live in, but i'd happily lend the cathedral to anyone able to
get it done somewhere else. I just thought it'd be nice to use emergent tech
and spend some big money to focus on what's really happening. Don't think
you could walk past it and not get the idea that something needs to be done,
your life needed to change like mr rilke is quoted as saying in another
discussion here.
Mr rilke by the way did change his life: he left his wife and child in
misery and turned to rich lady patrons at the riviera coast to enable him to
write more of his high-spirited idealistic & historically over-rated crappy
semi-fascist nonsense.
Sorry, needed to get that off my chest. The Picot work is nice enough and
thoughtfully made, i just can't stand the r-guy and all he stands for in my
imagination.
Thanks again, Nad
dv
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3D Holographic projectors?
Hi all,
Anybody have any idea what these things (http://www.io2technology.com/)
cost? If anything exists already that could project in open-air?
I was thinking it would be nice if some group/org could make these things
available, have us propose projects for them to periodically show them in
major cities (NY, Melbourne, Paris, Bagdad, London, Bejing, Alken) or
travelling art shows.
Personally i would prefer buying the equipment myself, peal off the flashy
stickers, paint it a nice fluo-purple, put it in a van and drive it around
the country to show stuff at supermarkets near closing time, but i guess
someone asking real nice on behalf of some organisation might stand a chance
of getting one for free in exchange for promotional returns?
greetings,
dv @ Neue Kathedrale des erotischen Elends
http://www.vilt.net/nkdee
Anybody have any idea what these things (http://www.io2technology.com/)
cost? If anything exists already that could project in open-air?
I was thinking it would be nice if some group/org could make these things
available, have us propose projects for them to periodically show them in
major cities (NY, Melbourne, Paris, Bagdad, London, Bejing, Alken) or
travelling art shows.
Personally i would prefer buying the equipment myself, peal off the flashy
stickers, paint it a nice fluo-purple, put it in a van and drive it around
the country to show stuff at supermarkets near closing time, but i guess
someone asking real nice on behalf of some organisation might stand a chance
of getting one for free in exchange for promotional returns?
greetings,
dv @ Neue Kathedrale des erotischen Elends
http://www.vilt.net/nkdee