Re: Re: Re[2]: RHIZOME_RAW: finding net.art in the rhizome artbase
more invitations to the Whitney Biennial would be nice.
dg
----- Original Message -----
From: "Eryk Salvaggio" <eryk@maine.rr.com>
To: "David Goldschmidt" <david@personify.tv>; <list@rhizome.org>
Sent: Friday, November 07, 2003 9:48 PM
Subject: Re: Re: Re[2]: RHIZOME_RAW: finding net.art in the rhizome artbase
>
>
> What do net.artists gain from increased exposure?
>
> -e.
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "David Goldschmidt" <david@personify.tv>
> To: <list@rhizome.org>
> Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2003 1:54 AM
> Subject: Re: Re: Re[2]: RHIZOME_RAW: finding net.art in the rhizome
artbase
>
>
> > Hey all-
> >
> > The TOP FIVE idea is not for the the net.artists. Although, those
chosen
> > would benefit from the increased exposure. Its for the newbies and
> net.art
> > enthusiasts. Its a way of using peer review to help a more mainstream
> > audience begin to appreciate net.art.
> >
> > Publishing thousands of net.art werks alphabetically is not the best way
> to
> > introduce someone to net.art. Very few people take the time to go
through
> > it all to see if they like net.art. Chances are, they will click on one
> or
> > two pieces and if they don't like what they see then they are gone.
> >
> > The TOP FIVE idea is a way to introduce people to net.art. If they like
> > what they see then they will dig much deeper into the Artbase. I want
> more
> > people to see what the net.art community is creating ... and using an
old
> > marketing trick to expose people to quality art is nothing to be ashamed
> of.
> > It is a practical response to an obvious problem.
> >
> > I've read through some of the other ideas and thry're great. Much more
> > creative than mine. But then again, sometimes simple is best. KISS!
> KISS!
> >
> >
> > david goldschmidt
> > www.personify.tv
> > www.mediatrips.com
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Patrick Simons" <patricksimons@gloriousninth.com>
> > To: <list@rhizome.org>
> > Sent: Friday, November 07, 2003 4:39 AM
> > Subject: Re: Re: Re[2]: RHIZOME_RAW: finding net.art in the rhizome
> artbase
> >
> >
> > > Im with Eric
> > > this is not in the spirit of the artbase at all.
> > > How about a vote on the worst five attempts to represent lottery
> funding,
> > we could all vote on it ..and then vote on the best five responses to
the
> > idea ..and then we could al do some work
> > > Patrick
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Eryk Salvaggio wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I never agreed to enter my work into a competition when I allowed my
> > > > work to
> > > > be shown on Rhizome's servers (for no compensation.) Nor am I
> > > > comfortable
> > > > with the idea of any artists work "competing" in a populist pony
show
> > > > without thier permission.
> > > >
> > > > -e.
> > > >
> > > +
> > > -> post: list@rhizome.org
> > > -> questions: info@rhizome.org
> > > -> subscribe/unsubscribe:
http://rhizome.org/preferences/subscribe.rhiz
> > > -> give: http://rhizome.org/support
> > > -> visit: on Fridays the Rhizome.org web site is open to non-members
> > > +
> > > Subscribers to Rhizome are subject to the terms set out in the
> > > Membership Agreement available online at
http://rhizome.org/info/29.php
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > +
> > -> post: list@rhizome.org
> > -> questions: info@rhizome.org
> > -> subscribe/unsubscribe: http://rhizome.org/preferences/subscribe.rhiz
> > -> give: http://rhizome.org/support
> > -> visit: on Fridays the Rhizome.org web site is open to non-members
> > +
> > Subscribers to Rhizome are subject to the terms set out in the
> > Membership Agreement available online at http://rhizome.org/info/29.php
> >
>
> +
> -> post: list@rhizome.org
> -> questions: info@rhizome.org
> -> subscribe/unsubscribe: http://rhizome.org/preferences/subscribe.rhiz
> -> give: http://rhizome.org/support
> -> visit: on Fridays the Rhizome.org web site is open to non-members
> +
> Subscribers to Rhizome are subject to the terms set out in the
> Membership Agreement available online at http://rhizome.org/info/29.php
>
>
dg
----- Original Message -----
From: "Eryk Salvaggio" <eryk@maine.rr.com>
To: "David Goldschmidt" <david@personify.tv>; <list@rhizome.org>
Sent: Friday, November 07, 2003 9:48 PM
Subject: Re: Re: Re[2]: RHIZOME_RAW: finding net.art in the rhizome artbase
>
>
> What do net.artists gain from increased exposure?
>
> -e.
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "David Goldschmidt" <david@personify.tv>
> To: <list@rhizome.org>
> Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2003 1:54 AM
> Subject: Re: Re: Re[2]: RHIZOME_RAW: finding net.art in the rhizome
artbase
>
>
> > Hey all-
> >
> > The TOP FIVE idea is not for the the net.artists. Although, those
chosen
> > would benefit from the increased exposure. Its for the newbies and
> net.art
> > enthusiasts. Its a way of using peer review to help a more mainstream
> > audience begin to appreciate net.art.
> >
> > Publishing thousands of net.art werks alphabetically is not the best way
> to
> > introduce someone to net.art. Very few people take the time to go
through
> > it all to see if they like net.art. Chances are, they will click on one
> or
> > two pieces and if they don't like what they see then they are gone.
> >
> > The TOP FIVE idea is a way to introduce people to net.art. If they like
> > what they see then they will dig much deeper into the Artbase. I want
> more
> > people to see what the net.art community is creating ... and using an
old
> > marketing trick to expose people to quality art is nothing to be ashamed
> of.
> > It is a practical response to an obvious problem.
> >
> > I've read through some of the other ideas and thry're great. Much more
> > creative than mine. But then again, sometimes simple is best. KISS!
> KISS!
> >
> >
> > david goldschmidt
> > www.personify.tv
> > www.mediatrips.com
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Patrick Simons" <patricksimons@gloriousninth.com>
> > To: <list@rhizome.org>
> > Sent: Friday, November 07, 2003 4:39 AM
> > Subject: Re: Re: Re[2]: RHIZOME_RAW: finding net.art in the rhizome
> artbase
> >
> >
> > > Im with Eric
> > > this is not in the spirit of the artbase at all.
> > > How about a vote on the worst five attempts to represent lottery
> funding,
> > we could all vote on it ..and then vote on the best five responses to
the
> > idea ..and then we could al do some work
> > > Patrick
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Eryk Salvaggio wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I never agreed to enter my work into a competition when I allowed my
> > > > work to
> > > > be shown on Rhizome's servers (for no compensation.) Nor am I
> > > > comfortable
> > > > with the idea of any artists work "competing" in a populist pony
show
> > > > without thier permission.
> > > >
> > > > -e.
> > > >
> > > +
> > > -> post: list@rhizome.org
> > > -> questions: info@rhizome.org
> > > -> subscribe/unsubscribe:
http://rhizome.org/preferences/subscribe.rhiz
> > > -> give: http://rhizome.org/support
> > > -> visit: on Fridays the Rhizome.org web site is open to non-members
> > > +
> > > Subscribers to Rhizome are subject to the terms set out in the
> > > Membership Agreement available online at
http://rhizome.org/info/29.php
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > +
> > -> post: list@rhizome.org
> > -> questions: info@rhizome.org
> > -> subscribe/unsubscribe: http://rhizome.org/preferences/subscribe.rhiz
> > -> give: http://rhizome.org/support
> > -> visit: on Fridays the Rhizome.org web site is open to non-members
> > +
> > Subscribers to Rhizome are subject to the terms set out in the
> > Membership Agreement available online at http://rhizome.org/info/29.php
> >
>
> +
> -> post: list@rhizome.org
> -> questions: info@rhizome.org
> -> subscribe/unsubscribe: http://rhizome.org/preferences/subscribe.rhiz
> -> give: http://rhizome.org/support
> -> visit: on Fridays the Rhizome.org web site is open to non-members
> +
> Subscribers to Rhizome are subject to the terms set out in the
> Membership Agreement available online at http://rhizome.org/info/29.php
>
>
Re: Re: Re[2]: RHIZOME_RAW: finding net.art in the rhizome artbase
Hey all-
The TOP FIVE idea is not for the the net.artists. Although, those chosen
would benefit from the increased exposure. Its for the newbies and net.art
enthusiasts. Its a way of using peer review to help a more mainstream
audience begin to appreciate net.art.
Publishing thousands of net.art werks alphabetically is not the best way to
introduce someone to net.art. Very few people take the time to go through
it all to see if they like net.art. Chances are, they will click on one or
two pieces and if they don't like what they see then they are gone.
The TOP FIVE idea is a way to introduce people to net.art. If they like
what they see then they will dig much deeper into the Artbase. I want more
people to see what the net.art community is creating ... and using an old
marketing trick to expose people to quality art is nothing to be ashamed of.
It is a practical response to an obvious problem.
I've read through some of the other ideas and thry're great. Much more
creative than mine. But then again, sometimes simple is best. KISS! KISS!
david goldschmidt
www.personify.tv
www.mediatrips.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Patrick Simons" <patricksimons@gloriousninth.com>
To: <list@rhizome.org>
Sent: Friday, November 07, 2003 4:39 AM
Subject: Re: Re: Re[2]: RHIZOME_RAW: finding net.art in the rhizome artbase
> Im with Eric
> this is not in the spirit of the artbase at all.
> How about a vote on the worst five attempts to represent lottery funding,
we could all vote on it ..and then vote on the best five responses to the
idea ..and then we could al do some work
> Patrick
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Eryk Salvaggio wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > I never agreed to enter my work into a competition when I allowed my
> > work to
> > be shown on Rhizome's servers (for no compensation.) Nor am I
> > comfortable
> > with the idea of any artists work "competing" in a populist pony show
> > without thier permission.
> >
> > -e.
> >
> +
> -> post: list@rhizome.org
> -> questions: info@rhizome.org
> -> subscribe/unsubscribe: http://rhizome.org/preferences/subscribe.rhiz
> -> give: http://rhizome.org/support
> -> visit: on Fridays the Rhizome.org web site is open to non-members
> +
> Subscribers to Rhizome are subject to the terms set out in the
> Membership Agreement available online at http://rhizome.org/info/29.php
>
>
The TOP FIVE idea is not for the the net.artists. Although, those chosen
would benefit from the increased exposure. Its for the newbies and net.art
enthusiasts. Its a way of using peer review to help a more mainstream
audience begin to appreciate net.art.
Publishing thousands of net.art werks alphabetically is not the best way to
introduce someone to net.art. Very few people take the time to go through
it all to see if they like net.art. Chances are, they will click on one or
two pieces and if they don't like what they see then they are gone.
The TOP FIVE idea is a way to introduce people to net.art. If they like
what they see then they will dig much deeper into the Artbase. I want more
people to see what the net.art community is creating ... and using an old
marketing trick to expose people to quality art is nothing to be ashamed of.
It is a practical response to an obvious problem.
I've read through some of the other ideas and thry're great. Much more
creative than mine. But then again, sometimes simple is best. KISS! KISS!
david goldschmidt
www.personify.tv
www.mediatrips.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Patrick Simons" <patricksimons@gloriousninth.com>
To: <list@rhizome.org>
Sent: Friday, November 07, 2003 4:39 AM
Subject: Re: Re: Re[2]: RHIZOME_RAW: finding net.art in the rhizome artbase
> Im with Eric
> this is not in the spirit of the artbase at all.
> How about a vote on the worst five attempts to represent lottery funding,
we could all vote on it ..and then vote on the best five responses to the
idea ..and then we could al do some work
> Patrick
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Eryk Salvaggio wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > I never agreed to enter my work into a competition when I allowed my
> > work to
> > be shown on Rhizome's servers (for no compensation.) Nor am I
> > comfortable
> > with the idea of any artists work "competing" in a populist pony show
> > without thier permission.
> >
> > -e.
> >
> +
> -> post: list@rhizome.org
> -> questions: info@rhizome.org
> -> subscribe/unsubscribe: http://rhizome.org/preferences/subscribe.rhiz
> -> give: http://rhizome.org/support
> -> visit: on Fridays the Rhizome.org web site is open to non-members
> +
> Subscribers to Rhizome are subject to the terms set out in the
> Membership Agreement available online at http://rhizome.org/info/29.php
>
>
Re: finding net.art in the rhizome artbase
I'd be glad to Rachel. And thanks fo rthe opportunity to work with Rhizome=
. You guys are great.
Feisal, would you please query your database and send me a list of the werk=
s that were added to the artbase during its first three months? Thanks.
I'll work on coordinating the vote.
My first thought is
1. To publish the list Feisel generates.
2. Ask Rhizome's RAW and RARE community to send us their favorites
3. Then put the top twenty to a vote by the entire Rhizome community
4. Publish the TOP FIVE
If anyone has any ideas they'd like to contribute please voice them.
david goldschmidt
www.personify.tv
www.mediatrips.com
----- Original Message -----
From: Rachel Greene
To: David Goldschmidt
Cc: list@rhizome.org ; Feisal
Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 11:34 AM
Subject: Re: RHIZOME_RAW: finding net.art in the rhizome artbase
David -- Mind meld!
Feisal Ahmad, who has been working as an intern for us for the last year,=
just started TODAY as Rhizome's official Content Coordinator. It's not a f=
ull-time job, but one of his biggest tasks will be to develop programs, suc=
h as the one you suggest, to make the ArtBase easier to use.
We want to develop a number of tools/programs to make the ArtBase more vi=
tal, visible and user-friendly. In fact, we have grant pending that we'll h=
ear about in the next two months that will make this much easier to accompl=
ish.
But, I think the top 5 idea is great. Maybe you want to wrangle these tog=
ether and we can publish them somewhere on the site?
-- Rachel
On Thursday, November 6, 2003, at 04:16 AM, David Goldschmidt wrote:
hi all-
I have an idea.
I have been a rhizomer "forever" and, as many others have pointed out, =
searching for net.art by artist or alphabetically is a rather painful exper=
ience.
I would like to suggest a third option.
Going back in time, I would like the rhizome community to vote for the =
5 "best" net.art werks for a given period (say three months). For example,=
we would go back and look at all the art that was "released", created, etc=
from January 1998 to March 1998 and pick the top 5 werks.
And then Rhizome could let people use the "top five" lists to find grea=
t net.art that is in their database.
Also, I think this approach is a great way to see how net.art has chang=
ed over time.
Unleash the egos and let the debate begin! This could be fun.
Best,
david goldschmidt
www.personify.tv
www.mediatrips.com
. You guys are great.
Feisal, would you please query your database and send me a list of the werk=
s that were added to the artbase during its first three months? Thanks.
I'll work on coordinating the vote.
My first thought is
1. To publish the list Feisel generates.
2. Ask Rhizome's RAW and RARE community to send us their favorites
3. Then put the top twenty to a vote by the entire Rhizome community
4. Publish the TOP FIVE
If anyone has any ideas they'd like to contribute please voice them.
david goldschmidt
www.personify.tv
www.mediatrips.com
----- Original Message -----
From: Rachel Greene
To: David Goldschmidt
Cc: list@rhizome.org ; Feisal
Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 11:34 AM
Subject: Re: RHIZOME_RAW: finding net.art in the rhizome artbase
David -- Mind meld!
Feisal Ahmad, who has been working as an intern for us for the last year,=
just started TODAY as Rhizome's official Content Coordinator. It's not a f=
ull-time job, but one of his biggest tasks will be to develop programs, suc=
h as the one you suggest, to make the ArtBase easier to use.
We want to develop a number of tools/programs to make the ArtBase more vi=
tal, visible and user-friendly. In fact, we have grant pending that we'll h=
ear about in the next two months that will make this much easier to accompl=
ish.
But, I think the top 5 idea is great. Maybe you want to wrangle these tog=
ether and we can publish them somewhere on the site?
-- Rachel
On Thursday, November 6, 2003, at 04:16 AM, David Goldschmidt wrote:
hi all-
I have an idea.
I have been a rhizomer "forever" and, as many others have pointed out, =
searching for net.art by artist or alphabetically is a rather painful exper=
ience.
I would like to suggest a third option.
Going back in time, I would like the rhizome community to vote for the =
5 "best" net.art werks for a given period (say three months). For example,=
we would go back and look at all the art that was "released", created, etc=
from January 1998 to March 1998 and pick the top 5 werks.
And then Rhizome could let people use the "top five" lists to find grea=
t net.art that is in their database.
Also, I think this approach is a great way to see how net.art has chang=
ed over time.
Unleash the egos and let the debate begin! This could be fun.
Best,
david goldschmidt
www.personify.tv
www.mediatrips.com
finding net.art in the rhizome artbase
hi all-
I have an idea.
I have been a rhizomer "forever" and, as many others have pointed out, sear=
ching for net.art by artist or alphabetically is a rather painful experienc=
e.
I would like to suggest a third option.
Going back in time, I would like the rhizome community to vote for the 5 "b=
est" net.art werks for a given period (say three months). For example, we =
would go back and look at all the art that was "released", created, etc fro=
m January 1998 to March 1998 and pick the top 5 werks.
And then Rhizome could let people use the "top five" lists to find great ne=
t.art that is in their database.
Also, I think this approach is a great way to see how net.art has changed o=
ver time.
Unleash the egos and let the debate begin! This could be fun.
Best,
david goldschmidt
www.personify.tv
www.mediatrips.com
I have an idea.
I have been a rhizomer "forever" and, as many others have pointed out, sear=
ching for net.art by artist or alphabetically is a rather painful experienc=
e.
I would like to suggest a third option.
Going back in time, I would like the rhizome community to vote for the 5 "b=
est" net.art werks for a given period (say three months). For example, we =
would go back and look at all the art that was "released", created, etc fro=
m January 1998 to March 1998 and pick the top 5 werks.
And then Rhizome could let people use the "top five" lists to find great ne=
t.art that is in their database.
Also, I think this approach is a great way to see how net.art has changed o=
ver time.
Unleash the egos and let the debate begin! This could be fun.
Best,
david goldschmidt
www.personify.tv
www.mediatrips.com
New Bill Would Deploy FBI to Battle Online Copyright Infringement
o New Bill Would Deploy FBI to Battle Online Copyright Infringement
Washington -- A new bill introduced into the U.S. House would increase the
FBI's responsibilities to include battling copyright infringement on the
Internet. The Piracy Deterrence and Education Act of 2003, sponsored by
Reps. Lamar Smith (R-Texas) and Howard Berman (D-Calif.), asks the FBI to
create a deterrence program including an FBI "warning label" similar to
those on DVDs that copyright holders could send to alleged infringers. It
would also compel the FBI to hire more computer piracy experts and share
information on Internet piracy more freely with other law enforcement
agencies. "This common sense, bipartisan bill will help ensure that
federal prosecutors across the country have the resources and expertise to
fully enforce the copyright laws on the books -- especially against those
who illegally distribute massive quantities of copyrighted music online,"
said RIAA president Cary Sherman."
http://makeashorterlink.com/?E5AB21605
http://news.com.com/2100-1028_3-1019811.html?tag=cd_mh
_____________________________________________
Washington -- A new bill introduced into the U.S. House would increase the
FBI's responsibilities to include battling copyright infringement on the
Internet. The Piracy Deterrence and Education Act of 2003, sponsored by
Reps. Lamar Smith (R-Texas) and Howard Berman (D-Calif.), asks the FBI to
create a deterrence program including an FBI "warning label" similar to
those on DVDs that copyright holders could send to alleged infringers. It
would also compel the FBI to hire more computer piracy experts and share
information on Internet piracy more freely with other law enforcement
agencies. "This common sense, bipartisan bill will help ensure that
federal prosecutors across the country have the resources and expertise to
fully enforce the copyright laws on the books -- especially against those
who illegally distribute massive quantities of copyrighted music online,"
said RIAA president Cary Sherman."
http://makeashorterlink.com/?E5AB21605
http://news.com.com/2100-1028_3-1019811.html?tag=cd_mh
_____________________________________________