Re: Ten Million Hits
joseph wrote
> Well, I don't think he is going to "awaken" anyone. It takes a great deal
more
> than some harsh emails to open someone's eyes. Rhizome Raw is a Dionysian
> Place - sometimes very dark. I would miss that if it were changed. And it
is
> not for teacher/student relationships that one should come here - it is
all
> self journeys.
cannot deny the wisdom of these words.
david goldschmidt
> Well, I don't think he is going to "awaken" anyone. It takes a great deal
more
> than some harsh emails to open someone's eyes. Rhizome Raw is a Dionysian
> Place - sometimes very dark. I would miss that if it were changed. And it
is
> not for teacher/student relationships that one should come here - it is
all
> self journeys.
cannot deny the wisdom of these words.
david goldschmidt
Re: Ten Million Hits
> Quoting David Goldschmidt <dgoldsch@tampabay.rr.com>:
> > >
> > > > i don't know joseph ... the guy is very violent with his words.
> >
> > I am not violent. I am not sugar coated, that's all.
>
> kandy is inside the coat
not always ... sometimes the core is bitter
>
> + tripe .^`` X333CV/^
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> > > > i don't know joseph ... the guy is very violent with his words.
> >
> > I am not violent. I am not sugar coated, that's all.
>
> kandy is inside the coat
not always ... sometimes the core is bitter
>
> + tripe .^`` X333CV/^
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Re: Ten Million Hits
joseph wrote--
"I would perhaps agree with you if there was an organized effort by several
people to shut up others using abusive language, but self-censorship in the
face of a whithering criticism by one person seems a little weak-willed.
Like
you said, you can stop reading him and go on."
"whithering criticism"???? i don't think so. more like self-righteous,
ego-centric bullshit.
tell me this joseph (and max) ... how is it possible to discuss larger, more
complex ideas with someone that is just deconstructing your word choice. i
mean, written communication is far from perfect. words have multiple
meanings, nuances ... how is it possible to discuss an issue with someone
that is reacting/responding out of context.
humans are emotional creatures ... and art/writing is an expression of the
way one sees the world, ones reaction to the world, et cetera. there are
VERY FEW WRITERS with the skill to perfectly/precisely communicate their
thoughts, ideas, emotions in written form.
and who is he going to "awaken" if people are too afraid to speak up and
engage in conversation. the "awakening" process requires an open mind,
trust and interaction (between a teacher and a student). what student would
listen to rants of this sadist.
david goldschmidt
--
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"I would perhaps agree with you if there was an organized effort by several
people to shut up others using abusive language, but self-censorship in the
face of a whithering criticism by one person seems a little weak-willed.
Like
you said, you can stop reading him and go on."
"whithering criticism"???? i don't think so. more like self-righteous,
ego-centric bullshit.
tell me this joseph (and max) ... how is it possible to discuss larger, more
complex ideas with someone that is just deconstructing your word choice. i
mean, written communication is far from perfect. words have multiple
meanings, nuances ... how is it possible to discuss an issue with someone
that is reacting/responding out of context.
humans are emotional creatures ... and art/writing is an expression of the
way one sees the world, ones reaction to the world, et cetera. there are
VERY FEW WRITERS with the skill to perfectly/precisely communicate their
thoughts, ideas, emotions in written form.
and who is he going to "awaken" if people are too afraid to speak up and
engage in conversation. the "awakening" process requires an open mind,
trust and interaction (between a teacher and a student). what student would
listen to rants of this sadist.
david goldschmidt
--
Joseph Franklyn McElroy
Cor[porat]e [Per]form[ance] Art[ist]T
Take the survey they are all talking about...
http://www.electrichands.com/genius2000
Electric Hands, Inc
212.255.4527
www.electrichands.com
joseph@electrichands.com
Re: Ten Million Hits
i don't know joseph ... the guy is very violent with his words. you and max
may have the want to suffer his attacks but some may stop contributing to
the list. there's your censorship. people not speaking up and engaging in
conversation out of fear. afraid of being verbally assaulted by an asswipe
with a mesiah complex.
i'm not in favor of Rhizome censoring him either (i just don't read his
posts anymore) but i do believe his abusive and violent words keep some from
sharing their thoughts and ideas ... and that is censorship.
david goldschmidt
----- Original Message -----
From: "Joseph Franklyn McElroy Cor[porat]e [Per]form[ance] Art[ist]"
<joseph@electrichands.com>
To: "furtherfield" <info@furtherfield.org>; "-IID42 Kandinskij @27+"
<death@zaphod.terminal.org>
Cc: <list@rhizome.org>; "Mark Tribe" <mt@rhizome.org>
Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 3:55 PM
Subject: Re: RHIZOME_RAW: Ten Million Hits
Quoting furtherfield <info@furtherfield.org>:
> WELCOME TO THE 'OLD BOYS CLUB 'OF RHIZOME
> WHERE IF YOU WANT TO DISCUSS A SUBJECT -
> YOU ARE PERSONALLY ABUSED AND TREATED
> BADLY BY THOSE WHO NOT CREATE THEIR
> WORK. A Big THANX TO THE RHIZOME TEAM
> FOR STANDING UP FOR ONE WANKER, SO THE
> MANY HAVE TO SUFFER....THINGS NEED TO
> CHANGE - NOW!
>
> MARC GARRETT - FEDUP WITH RHIZOME'S
> BLOKE GAMES...
Mark, I sense that he is not out to abuse people for his jollies. And if
you
stand back, you can see that he uses essentially the same non-flattering
terms
for everyone; and as such, that he is not making personal attacks. Just
extremely blunt criticism within a pretty specific domain of language,
consciousness, awareness, and social structure. I would not be in favor of
censoring him. However, perhaps there should be a starter pack for every
Rhizomer that helps take the sting away.
Anyway, that is my take on it, but I am just a farmer monkey who can barely
read or write, so what do I know? :)
--
Joseph Franklyn McElroy
Cor[porat]e [Per]form[ance] Art[ist]T
Take the survey they are all talking about...
http://www.electrichands.com/genius2000
Electric Hands, Inc
212.255.4527
www.electrichands.com
joseph@electrichands.com
+ the Patty Winters show this morning was about Real-Life Rambos.
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may have the want to suffer his attacks but some may stop contributing to
the list. there's your censorship. people not speaking up and engaging in
conversation out of fear. afraid of being verbally assaulted by an asswipe
with a mesiah complex.
i'm not in favor of Rhizome censoring him either (i just don't read his
posts anymore) but i do believe his abusive and violent words keep some from
sharing their thoughts and ideas ... and that is censorship.
david goldschmidt
----- Original Message -----
From: "Joseph Franklyn McElroy Cor[porat]e [Per]form[ance] Art[ist]"
<joseph@electrichands.com>
To: "furtherfield" <info@furtherfield.org>; "-IID42 Kandinskij @27+"
<death@zaphod.terminal.org>
Cc: <list@rhizome.org>; "Mark Tribe" <mt@rhizome.org>
Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 3:55 PM
Subject: Re: RHIZOME_RAW: Ten Million Hits
Quoting furtherfield <info@furtherfield.org>:
> WELCOME TO THE 'OLD BOYS CLUB 'OF RHIZOME
> WHERE IF YOU WANT TO DISCUSS A SUBJECT -
> YOU ARE PERSONALLY ABUSED AND TREATED
> BADLY BY THOSE WHO NOT CREATE THEIR
> WORK. A Big THANX TO THE RHIZOME TEAM
> FOR STANDING UP FOR ONE WANKER, SO THE
> MANY HAVE TO SUFFER....THINGS NEED TO
> CHANGE - NOW!
>
> MARC GARRETT - FEDUP WITH RHIZOME'S
> BLOKE GAMES...
Mark, I sense that he is not out to abuse people for his jollies. And if
you
stand back, you can see that he uses essentially the same non-flattering
terms
for everyone; and as such, that he is not making personal attacks. Just
extremely blunt criticism within a pretty specific domain of language,
consciousness, awareness, and social structure. I would not be in favor of
censoring him. However, perhaps there should be a starter pack for every
Rhizomer that helps take the sting away.
Anyway, that is my take on it, but I am just a farmer monkey who can barely
read or write, so what do I know? :)
--
Joseph Franklyn McElroy
Cor[porat]e [Per]form[ance] Art[ist]T
Take the survey they are all talking about...
http://www.electrichands.com/genius2000
Electric Hands, Inc
212.255.4527
www.electrichands.com
joseph@electrichands.com
+ the Patty Winters show this morning was about Real-Life Rambos.
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Re: Ten Million Hits
ivan, that was hillllarious. i loved the tone of your reply ... although i am
sure he didn't get it.
in my opinion, he can only see words and simple sentences (i don't think
english is not his primary language) ... which would also explain why he
misinterprets so much.
he thinks he can destroy an idea by de-constructing individual words (within a
paragraph or essay). its a very immature form of literary critique. his
reading comprehension skills are at a highschool level.
david goldschmidt
> >> + Membership increased 18% in Sept. to 17,001
> >> + Total web hits increased 40% to 10,226,441
> >> + Vists to the web site increased 14% to 115,608
> >>
> >> Wow!
> >
> > So much for the silly theories of 'all the people
> > leaving' because of a poster (me)--so, when will
> > that idiotic assumption, typically used as bullying
> > technique evaporate from human brains?!
> My dear Karei, no matter how it may stroke your ego to believe otherwise,
> visits to the Rhizome web site and people joining from same can have nothing
> whatsoever to do with your activity or otherwise on this list. See: one is a
> mailing list, the other is a web site. Get it? Cheers, Ivan
>
> + the Patty Winters show this morning was about Real-Life Rambos.
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sure he didn't get it.
in my opinion, he can only see words and simple sentences (i don't think
english is not his primary language) ... which would also explain why he
misinterprets so much.
he thinks he can destroy an idea by de-constructing individual words (within a
paragraph or essay). its a very immature form of literary critique. his
reading comprehension skills are at a highschool level.
david goldschmidt
> >> + Membership increased 18% in Sept. to 17,001
> >> + Total web hits increased 40% to 10,226,441
> >> + Vists to the web site increased 14% to 115,608
> >>
> >> Wow!
> >
> > So much for the silly theories of 'all the people
> > leaving' because of a poster (me)--so, when will
> > that idiotic assumption, typically used as bullying
> > technique evaporate from human brains?!
> My dear Karei, no matter how it may stroke your ego to believe otherwise,
> visits to the Rhizome web site and people joining from same can have nothing
> whatsoever to do with your activity or otherwise on this list. See: one is a
> mailing list, the other is a web site. Get it? Cheers, Ivan
>
> + the Patty Winters show this morning was about Real-Life Rambos.
> -> post: list@rhizome.org
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