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i'm a bit concerned
i can't keep up with the rhizome listserv everyday so i may be wrong about =
this ... but it seems to me that the list has become very mean lately.
for the most part, its not the artists that are slinging such mean-spirited=
remarks. more often than not its just fools with opinions but no ability =
to create anything themselves. they seem more interested in being "king" o=
f the list (whatever that means) instead of encouraging/supporting newmedia=
art as an emerging discipline. i mean, they don't even begin their own th=
reads ... they just rip others. what cowards!
i truly care about the newmedia art community ... and i think that the werk=
s you guys are creating are truly remarkable. but somethimes when i see al=
l of this meanness ... i wonder if net.art will ever achieve greatness. i =
have this fear that newmedia art may become impotent (like the "underground=
" comics of the sixties and seventies).
david goldschmidt
david goldschmidt
this ... but it seems to me that the list has become very mean lately.
for the most part, its not the artists that are slinging such mean-spirited=
remarks. more often than not its just fools with opinions but no ability =
to create anything themselves. they seem more interested in being "king" o=
f the list (whatever that means) instead of encouraging/supporting newmedia=
art as an emerging discipline. i mean, they don't even begin their own th=
reads ... they just rip others. what cowards!
i truly care about the newmedia art community ... and i think that the werk=
s you guys are creating are truly remarkable. but somethimes when i see al=
l of this meanness ... i wonder if net.art will ever achieve greatness. i =
have this fear that newmedia art may become impotent (like the "underground=
" comics of the sixties and seventies).
david goldschmidt
david goldschmidt
Re: please reply - followup
my point was that if corporations/government are going to spend millions of=
dollars creating symbols/icons that have a meaning/message ... then anyone=
that disagrees with the message should be able to create a counter-message=
by twisting/manipulating the image in a different way ...
artists already do this. many have become quite famous by using religious =
symbols in ways that were not intended. the only reason that artists can d=
o this is because the Holy Cross is not a registered trademark.
david goldschmidt
----- Original Message -----
From: unbehagen.com
To: David Goldschmidt
Sent: Sunday, September 15, 2002 6:16 PM
Subject: Re: RHIZOME_RAW: please reply
hi again
I think I might have misunderstood you mail
I thought it was about the question of the relation between language and =
images. And I found the idea of a "dictionnary" paradoxical and conceptuall=
y interesting.
It seems to me now that it's more focused on a very practical question ab=
out copyright....
Christophe Bruno
http://www.unbehagen.com
----- Message d'origine -----
De : David Goldschmidt
A : list@rhizome.org
Envoye : dimanche 15 septembre 2002 06:06
Objet : RHIZOME_RAW: please reply
there is not a single person on this list that would deny that the imag=
es of film and television ... is a language ... if Webster can create a dic=
tionary of words then there needs to be a dictionary of images (from mickey=
mouse to the WTC) ... and we should be able to use any image that enters t=
he public conscience to our own ends.
what do you see when you imagine the world? what are you not saying be=
cause you are afraid of copyright infringement? what is not being said? w=
hat is not being said effectively?
if this email doesn't make sense then i apologize. i'm a bit toasted a=
nd very angry. i can't help but think that today's copyright laws are unco=
nstitutional ... they restrict free speech/expression.
david goldschmidt
dollars creating symbols/icons that have a meaning/message ... then anyone=
that disagrees with the message should be able to create a counter-message=
by twisting/manipulating the image in a different way ...
artists already do this. many have become quite famous by using religious =
symbols in ways that were not intended. the only reason that artists can d=
o this is because the Holy Cross is not a registered trademark.
david goldschmidt
----- Original Message -----
From: unbehagen.com
To: David Goldschmidt
Sent: Sunday, September 15, 2002 6:16 PM
Subject: Re: RHIZOME_RAW: please reply
hi again
I think I might have misunderstood you mail
I thought it was about the question of the relation between language and =
images. And I found the idea of a "dictionnary" paradoxical and conceptuall=
y interesting.
It seems to me now that it's more focused on a very practical question ab=
out copyright....
Christophe Bruno
http://www.unbehagen.com
----- Message d'origine -----
De : David Goldschmidt
A : list@rhizome.org
Envoye : dimanche 15 septembre 2002 06:06
Objet : RHIZOME_RAW: please reply
there is not a single person on this list that would deny that the imag=
es of film and television ... is a language ... if Webster can create a dic=
tionary of words then there needs to be a dictionary of images (from mickey=
mouse to the WTC) ... and we should be able to use any image that enters t=
he public conscience to our own ends.
what do you see when you imagine the world? what are you not saying be=
cause you are afraid of copyright infringement? what is not being said? w=
hat is not being said effectively?
if this email doesn't make sense then i apologize. i'm a bit toasted a=
nd very angry. i can't help but think that today's copyright laws are unco=
nstitutional ... they restrict free speech/expression.
david goldschmidt
please reply
there is not a single person on this list that would deny that the images o=
f film and television ... is a language ... if Webster can create a diction=
ary of words then there needs to be a dictionary of images (from mickey mou=
se to the WTC) ... and we should be able to use any image that enters the p=
ublic conscience to our own ends.
what do you see when you imagine the world? what are you not saying becaus=
e you are afraid of copyright infringement? what is not being said? what =
is not being said effectively?
if this email doesn't make sense then i apologize. i'm a bit toasted and v=
ery angry. i can't help but think that today's copyright laws are unconsti=
tutional ... they restrict free speech/expression.
david goldschmidt
f film and television ... is a language ... if Webster can create a diction=
ary of words then there needs to be a dictionary of images (from mickey mou=
se to the WTC) ... and we should be able to use any image that enters the p=
ublic conscience to our own ends.
what do you see when you imagine the world? what are you not saying becaus=
e you are afraid of copyright infringement? what is not being said? what =
is not being said effectively?
if this email doesn't make sense then i apologize. i'm a bit toasted and v=
ery angry. i can't help but think that today's copyright laws are unconsti=
tutional ... they restrict free speech/expression.
david goldschmidt
Watch 20-year-old TV commercials for Atari, etc.
thought many on this list would appreciate these commercials. cheers.
david goldschmidt
----- Original Message -----
From: Jonathan Druy
To: mediaecology@ube.ubalt.edu
Sent: Thursday, September 05, 2002 4:19 AM
Subject: Watch 20-year-old TV commercials for Atari, etc.
http://www.theoldcomputer.com/Libarary's/tv_adverts_summary.htm
TV ads for video games that looked good then, but crappy now! And that hai=
r!
Jonathan
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david goldschmidt
----- Original Message -----
From: Jonathan Druy
To: mediaecology@ube.ubalt.edu
Sent: Thursday, September 05, 2002 4:19 AM
Subject: Watch 20-year-old TV commercials for Atari, etc.
http://www.theoldcomputer.com/Libarary's/tv_adverts_summary.htm
TV ads for video games that looked good then, but crappy now! And that hai=
r!
Jonathan
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