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DISCUSSION

Re: masks 2


> Object as subject has been denigrated by social psychology by
> anthropology, as contagion as participation mystique: the primitive mind,
> via psychological projection,

psuedo-intellectual bullshit wannabe using big words

transfers its own subjective contents onto
> the object -- and then perceives those contents is transference as if
> actual attributes of the object.

and this is your definiton of a "mask"? a mask lets the subject project
certain qualities onto the object???

wrong AGAIN ... if anything, a mask permits the subject to aquire and
project the qualities of the object (not the other way around). well, wait
a minute ... if the "subjective contents" includes one's ideas about the
perceived qualities of the object then ... hmmmmmmmmmm

Indeed, inability to distinguish between
> the subjective and object is treated as the hallmark of primitive mind and
> some psychoses. Even Buddhism negatively so regards, as this conflation of
> object and subject is considered the root of all suffering: attachment.

yes, attachment/possession is the cause of suffering ... but "attachment"
and "mask" are NOT interchangeable terms. well, wait a minute ... maybe
they are. i'm beginning to understand your use of the term "mask". very
interesting, i must confess.

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DISCUSSION

Re: On Masks


>From what I have gleaned, K thinks that some kind of 'mask' is a natural p=
art of what it is to be 'human' while the >rest seem to think that a mask i=
s a cop out, a sign of insecurity etc.

its only a sign of insecurity if (1) you are aware of your mask ; and (2) y=
ou hide behind it as some kind of self-defense mechanism ... a kind of secu=
rity blanket ...

since most are unaware of their masks then they are not [hiding] behind them

K is a coward living in fear ... because he is aware of his mask and CHOOSE=
S to hide behind it [in public]. the only people he reveals himself to is =
the members of this list.

david goldschmidt

DISCUSSION

Re: Way of New Relations: Early Notes of Igmar van Shlagel


hi brad-

sorry for the delay ... i completely missed your reply.

right now i'm in a basin just off Davis Island, Tampa Bay, Florida. I
looked into the wireless thing but had no success. you probably have more
options in Cali. if you get a chance ... please send me a link to the
service provider that you are going to use.

i may be jumping ship in early summer ... florida summers SUCK! very hot
and humid and mosquitos. but i'm really enjoying it right now.

best,

david goldschmidt

----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Saturday, October 26, 2002 8:48 PM
Subject: Re: RHIZOME_RAW: Re: Way of New Relations: Early Notes of Igmar van
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DISCUSSION

Re: Cash on the table


i pitched in $15 within the last 24 hours (and will continue to donate in
the future).

that mark tribe ... he's a crafty fundraiser *wink*

david goldschmidt

----- Original Message -----
From: "Lee Wells" <leewells@bb19.net>
To: "Michael Szpakowski" <szpako@yahoo.com>; "David Goldschmidt"
<david@personify.tv>; <list@rhizome.org>; "Mark Tribe" <mt@rhizome.org>
Sent: Friday, October 25, 2002 10:51 PM
Subject: Cash on the table

> Who has donated money in the last 24 hours.
> I just gave 11$, a minor amount for the years of enjoyment I've got out of
> Rhizome. I will continue to donate in the future.
>
> Cheers
> Lee
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> on 10/25/02 7:41 PM, Michael Szpakowski at szpako@yahoo.com wrote:
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> > Rhizome has been really important to me. I have
> > learned a lot from it plus I got a real sense of a
> > body of people with similar concerns ( *community*
> > always seems a tad twee) engaged in a sometimes vastly
> > irritating but always for me addictive dialogue about
> > art and it's relationship to the world.
> > In my ideal world of course it would be funded
> > generously but if it's not then I for one am certainly
> > willing to pay a fee to make sure I can get my fix.
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> > $15 (Pall's suggestion) doesn't strike me as an
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> > a lot under the system I've described.
> > regards
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> >
> > --- David Goldschmidt <david@personify.tv> wrote:
> >> i'll pay. although i think the sliding scale should
> >> be based on where one
> >> lives. americans and west europeans should pay more
> >> while folks from less
> >> affluent regions should pay less (or free).
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> >> david goldschmidt
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> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "Mark Tribe" <mt@rhizome.org>
> >> To: <list@rhizome.org>
> >> Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 5:34 PM
> >> Subject: RHIZOME_RAW: Membership fee?
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DISCUSSION

Re: Way of New Relations: Early Notes of Igmar van Shlagel


money better
money better
money better
money better

i'm going to have to think about that. ;-)

btw - i recently bought a c&c 27 ... i've been living on water for about a
week (on a mooring, not at a marina). its rather ridiculous. i mean, i
have to row my dingy into shore to go to work *laughing*. still, it is
helping me to unplug. you can see a pic of one like mine at cnc-owners.com

best,

david goldschmidt

----- Original Message -----
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To: <david@personify.tv>; <joseph@electrichands.com>
Cc: <death@zaphod.terminal.org>; <list@rhizome.org>
Sent: Friday, October 25, 2002 8:47 PM
Subject: Way of New Relations: Early Notes of Igmar van Shlagel

>
>
> Re: Finch's "Art Versus Evil"
>
> by maxherman, 10.25.02 08:31 pm
>
> Why not know, but masterpiece and ave threads seem related. Things are so
> frickin weird! I mean weird like aliens posing as humans weird. But that's
> just me, own fault, gorra bchezne.
>
> So, I looked at what bands the Strokes like, and how they seem to have
been
> to fancy prep schools sorta. Anyway, are they evil? Only a dullard would
get
> caught up in that. There is some relation between privilege and suffering,
a
> balance, like a titre. My friend who studies Bayesian economics (the sum
of
> all sub-event probabilities is greater than one, and statistical
prediction
> errs in determining search-horizons i.e. finding only itself) at U of U in
> UT is a "truly nice" man, and once told another band member we sound like
> the Strokes. To say the Strokes are evil would be to ungraciously
> under-accept a compliment, which is a grievous sinful manner of evil. Fit
> only for the priest, the slave, and the liberticide.
>
> I'm a tad parry (paranoid) but it was icy sleet in Eveleth today. I swear
I
> can't tell the diff between acts of god and alien prophetic manipulations
> lately. I do know that paranoia is a form of willful exhaustive anemania.
> C'est la vie. But hold on! One second.
>
> The Strokes' job is to make music, and if the sum total of all good
created
> by those capable of good is less than the sum of all bad, we'll jointly be
> tasting the cracker. It's a sin to get pissy about what others aren't
> doing-do it thyself!
>
> To be sure we are in a soup of money v. terror. Something is asking me to
> make money better, more good, to save it from terror without and within.
> Like this one poem, "now that we know where the shoe pinches." Ossamer
says
> "the West" is weak, trivial, fake, on prozac, libertine, evil. West say he
> is. Probably both right and both wrong Bayes-wise. Why blame the Strokes?
>
>
>
>
>
> >From: "David Goldschmidt" <david@personify.tv>
> >Reply-To: "David Goldschmidt" <david@personify.tv>
> >To: <joseph@electrichands.com>
> >CC: "-IID42 Kandinskij @27+" <death@zaphod.terminal.org>,
> ><list@rhizome.org>
> >Subject: Re: RHIZOME_RAW: big brother is coming
> >Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 17:26:10 -0400
> >
> >very true joseph. i know that [corporations] are doing the "right" thing
> >and i've witnessed the same passion within the corporate culture.
> >
> >however, i'm very nervous because, at times, it seems as if major issues
> >are
> >seen only in economic/capitalistic terms rather than constitutional
terms.
> >the declaration of independence says we have the right to life, liberty
and
> >happiness/property (read "property" circa john locke, thomas hobbes).
the
> >bill of rights guarantees free speech.
> >
> >in my opinion ... in my personal agenda ... in my propaganda ... i
believe
> >that the right to free speech is significantly more important than
> >protecting copyrights for 70 plus years!!!!!!!! fuck disney!!!!!
> >
> >i tend to get very excited around "fair use" and "copyright" issues
because
> >i see pop culture icons as an alphabet/language ... these images have
> >meaning. their messages resonate throughout our culture and i believe
that
> >we should have the right to use them ... to challenge the message ... to
> >challenge the messenger.
> >
> >i'm nearly finished with a newmedia essay on "human hell". i hope you
will
> >watch it when its done.
> >
> >images are language ... not property
> >images are a kind of alphabet ... not property
> >
> >david goldschmidt
> >www.personify.tv
> >
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: <joseph@electrichands.com>
> >To: "-IID42 Kandinskij @27+" <death@zaphod.terminal.org>
> >Cc: "David Goldschmidt" <david@personify.tv>; <list@rhizome.org>
> >Sent: Friday, October 25, 2002 4:48 PM
> >Subject: Re: RHIZOME_RAW: big brother is coming
> >
> >
> > > Quoting "-IID42 Kandinskij @27+" <death@zaphod.terminal.org>:
> > >
> > > > On Wed, 23 Oct 2002, David Goldschmidt wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Some cheap propagandist
> > > > ape-in-state-of-stupor-and-unable-to-handle-reality reposted
schlock.
> > > >
> > > > Still on about how it's all right to punch people in the face if ya
> >don't
> > > > like them? Faces, masks, corporate trademarks / brands are 'faces'
you
> > > > know.
> > >
> > > How to answer harm without harm? The reality is I have been punched,
did
> >the
> > > punch hurt me? Now should I punch back? Did the punch reach through
and
> >hurt
> > > my genetic line? If I punch, will it affect anything?
> > >
> > > You know David, most of these people in these companies actually think
> >they are
> > > doing a good thing. I have been an Open Source advocate, for a
> > > practical personal agenda and not a political/philosophical one. So I
> >saw
> >all
> > > this passion on both sides that is purely from each thinking they are
> >doing the
> > > "right" thing. Perhaps it is fear of what the other side will do that
> >creates
> > > these flames. Companies are afraid of losing money and market share.
> >Creators
> > > are afraid of losing creative freedom and the ability to have channels
> >to
> > > distribute their creations. These are not actually related at all,
> >other
> >than
> > > the same set of laws are being debated.
> > >
> > > Joseph
> > >
> >
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