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Re: RHIZOME_RAW:of human hell


hey Doug-

human hell as an "artisitc device"??? hmmmmmm. difficult question. most
writers tell a [story] to communicate. the [story format] is an artistic
device for revealing/sharing the human experience. many authors have a
"moral" to the story ... or a message to communicate. they want you to
follow the story from beginning-to-end and then [get] the moral/message [of
the story].

i go through stories, tv commercials, movies, poems, etc and i ignore the
moral/message/meaning ... i post clips on my website (personify.tv) that
show how authors have used the logic (not artistic device) of human hell,
desire, instinct, anger, peace and ecstasy to connect to the audience. to
create empathy for the character.

Doug Lewis wrote
"Is it a Nietzchean quest for the introspective colander?"

If each hole in the "colander" represents a thread of the common self then i
would say yes. the colander as a metaphor for the human condition is very
interesting. if the [holes] in the colander represent those traits that all
humans share then the [space] between the holes is the difference in each of
us ... the difference between us [skin color, aptitude, education, etc).

in my opinion, six of the "holes" would be hell, desire, instinct, anger,
peace and ecstasy.

your email suggests that you have a much stronger film theory background
than myself ... hence i'm not able to reply to some of your other questions.
i get many of my ideas from philosophy and religious studies.

david goldschmidt
www.personify.tv

----- Original Message -----
From: "Doug Lewis" <dlewis@wag.mb.ca>
To: "'David Goldschmidt'" <dgoldsch@tampabay.rr.com>
Sent: Friday, September 27, 2002 11:42 AM
Subject: RE: RHIZOME_RAW:of human hell

> Greetings David,
>
> i really enjoyed your susinctity.... This may be a completely redundant
> question, but I am interested in your thoughts as to why this aspect of
the
> human condition as artistic device has stood the test of time.... Bruegel
> to Burroughs.... Is it a Nietzchean quest for the introspective colander?
> )Or maybe a certain Battaillesque hunger to retrace the metadesire through
> pain/pleasure, not as an extension from the self, but as an extension
> towards the(hmmm)other?
> ----
>
> I really liked the comfortable grain in which you wrote - it reminded me
> of Calvino's Mr. Palomar. I am an artist (first) and writer (quite
second)
> and daydream (only on even-numbered days).
>
> best r, Doug Lewis
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: David Goldschmidt [SMTP:dgoldsch@tampabay.rr.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2002 11:10 AM
> To: list@rhizome.org
> Subject: RHIZOME_RAW: human hell
>
> Like most people, when I'm watching TV, reading the newspaper or listening
> to a song, I am usually searching for meaning in the words and images. I
do
> my best to understand what the author is saying. At other times, however,
I
> am not interested in what it means. I am more interested in recognizing
the
> patterns of thought and experiences that we, as humans, cannot escape.
>
>
> Writers and artists have been revealing the human experience for thousands
> of years. They reveal our humanity ... and human hell is a very common
> theme. It is a trait that we cannot escape. Writers and artists are able
to
> express [human hell] because there is a certain logic that reveals itself
> [in the words and actions] of someone trapped in hell.
>
>
> see examples at personify.tv
>
> david goldschmidt
> << File: ATT00002.htm >>

DISCUSSION

Re: Flaming Matadors


i know what you mean. i quit reading his emails a long time ago.

i will admit ... he is a very clever wordsmith. but there is very little w=
isdom.

maybe he's just masochistic ... maybe he [sexually] enjoys the insults. wo=
uldn't that be a laugh-riot. he probably joined rhizome to satisfy his fet=
sh for humiliation and degradation.

david goldschmidt

----- Original Message -----
From: Wally Keeler
To: Eryk Salvaggio ; Max Herman
Cc: list@rhizome.org
Sent: Wednesday, September 25, 2002 10:13 PM
Subject: Re: RHIZOME_RAW: Flaming Matadors

Eryk
The clarity of your message had real impact for me. I didn't come to rhiz=
ome to participate as I had done. So I won't continue with Kandinski -- he =
has been a waste of my time. Oh well.
Take care
Wally
----- Original Message -----
From: Eryk Salvaggio
To: Max Herman
Cc: list@rhizome.org
Sent: Wednesday, September 25, 2002 2:45 AM
Subject: RHIZOME_RAW: Flaming Matadors

The next person who responds to this ego-battle of the iron wills inste=
ad of discussing something nice and constructive like books art and/or hot =
cocoa is going to get me so worked up I might tap my fingers heavily on my =
desk, roll my eyes, or tear a piece of paper in half. Sorry for coming back=
into this mess albeit impermanently; but is there really anything being re=
solved, learned, communicated, inspired or rendered-happy from these discus=
sions? If any of you get something positive from it then by all means, do c=
ontinue, until you all eat yourselves to death [and kill the list with you]=
but I'm not really confident that there is any real hole that will be left=
in your lives if you stop this investment into the craftsmanship of your p=
ersonal attacks and repertoire of clever come backs. You're all pretty funn=
y or whatever you want to be seen as, seriously, you guys are all the thing=
you want to be, totally 100%.

Part of Kandinskij's thing seems to be to just lock people and their en=
ergy into these battles, and I suppose if one really feels compelled to put=
their energy into the whirlpool-like vacuum maybe there's some reason you =
have to. But in the end there is no "winning" by way of public opinion- non=
e of these insult-matches have any real audience, so acting like this is an=
arena where the crowd will cheer you on if you get a good blow to the bull=
is, you know, just weird. Would you guys feel comfortable taking the argum=
ent offlist? If not, why not? Is it being done for the benefit of the rest =
of the people on the list? I can't speak for them as an elected official of=
rhizome county or anything, but my own opinion is, I kinda got the point. =
Like, a while ago.

Humbly (as if I knew what that was),
-e.

Max Herman wrote:

From: "-IID42 Kandinskij @27+" <death@zaphod.terminal.org>
To: Max Herman <maxnmherman@hotmail.com>
CC: <list@rhizome.org>
Subject: Re: RHIZOME_RAW: get your agitprop on...
Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 20:02:32 -0700 (PDT)

On Tue, 24 Sep 2002, Max Herman wrote:

> Erah, um, KK wrote "this society" which he said before doesn't ex=
ist.

Yes? When I write the word 'this society' I do not intend it in t=
he
same way that you do--or any of the others I've directed such a c=
omment
at.

Double-dribble.

The illiterate monkey that you are, you keep fishing for the surface=

as all.

"All art is at once both surface and substance," said Oscar Wilde. T=
he universe has a flat geometry, which has just been proved, but you don't =
like that 'cause you're Deep Brown or whatever. You can't perceive that th=
e crux is the same for all, because you distort the Law of Large Numbers, a=
mong other crucial factors. And you're one cm away from burnout.

Tsk.

Ah can it ya stooge.

Want to get your panties even more in a knot?

Your vulgarity is far from persuasive, dissuasive, or suasive.

I have the right to appropriatelyuse certain words that you--and =
most
others don't.

Ugh you are repellent in your charnality.

Mind you--there are others with the same rights.

Dude you are straight nuts. Some kinda smart bug.

And there are many who should they wake up--could have the
same rights too. But these people areless than 100.

The people who could get the right? You're an abomination.

Now throw a fit.

I think you're nuts if you think only less than 100 people have the r=
ight to use a given word like society, or can talk. That's real racist; I =
knew an exec for ABC who said that black people can't talk. He was one pow=
erful man too! Also, I spent a night in Princeton with the video editor fo=
r 20/20 and his wonderful daughter Dilly, who I'm sure has no right to talk=
either, but they do have a copy of the g2k video. Her mom said "it's like=
the days of King Alfred" to test me.

> So he's chokin on the spinters like HAL and Rollerball, and if =
he thinks
> Madonna has real power but G2K don't, well he's nuttier'n a chiff=
arobe.

hardly. This is your wishful thinking--I guess you just don't lik=
e
accepting that G2K is a pile of sinking shit.

Since when?

The poor thing you.

You got me all wrong. But I spose in your world you're right as rain=
. Avakuki!

> He's irate,

I am hardly irate--don't project your wishful desires onto my wor=
ds.

Don't do what? Oh yeah I forgot.

> shootin chaffy,

Neither.

Yes you are, sneak.

> but you know me I dig that,

Yes you do. Hence you project it outwards. But Max, baby.
I ain't you.

Right on. You're weirdly accurate all the time. However you are me.=

> Your gal ain't doodly squat,

Speaking of yourself again and again.

Hey man my gal is red hot.

Tell us again how words are THE GAME,
you blind ape you.

You keep lying, and lying, I said language is the game. Words aren't=
language. Besides you're the cripple, a dirty freak.

`, . ` `k a r e i' ? ' D42

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DISCUSSION

human hell


Like most people, when I'm watching TV, reading the newspaper or listening =
to a song, I am usually searching for meaning in the words and images. I do=
my best to understand what the author is saying. At other times, however, =
I am not interested in what it means. I am more interested in recognizing t=
he patterns of thought and experiences that we, as humans, cannot escape.

Writers and artists have been revealing the human experience for thousands =
of years. They reveal our humanity ... and human hell is a very common them=
e. It is a trait that we cannot escape. Writers and artists are able to exp=
ress [human hell] because there is a certain logic that reveals itself [in =
the words and actions] of someone trapped in hell.

see examples at personify.tv

david goldschmidt

DISCUSSION

Personify.tv - (second attempt)


reactions and criticisms are appreciated. please let me know what you thin=
k.

http://www.personify.tv

david goldschmidt

DISCUSSION

Fw: Fooling Bush


oh my god ... LMAO

----- Original Message -----
From: "David Weinberger" <self@evident.com>
To: <mediaecology@ube.ubalt.edu>
Sent: Friday, September 20, 2002 6:14 PM
Subject: Fooling Bush

I am certainly beneath contempt for posting a video clip of W failing to
get the "Fool me once..." cliche right. On the other hand, it's durn
funny. And, of course, scary.

http://www.hyperorg.com/blogger/archive/2002_09_01_archive.html#85474009

-- David W.
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