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Re: Joseph the Mountaian Sensei-Master


On Thu, 17 Oct 2002, David Goldschmidt wrote:
>
> > i am myself
> > online and offline
>
> Sure you are. Yourself. Which self? What self?

i know its a big word ... maybe you should look it up in the dictionary.
"myself" ... to be me ... at any given moment in time ... to the extent that
i am not some other person.

> Do you even have a self?

yes

>I suspect you're firmly entrenched
> in your ego

wrong again

and fancy that admirable, though. Bravo!
>
> > you fear revealing your
>
> I lack the capacity to experience fear, dear.

you are human. you have the capacity to fear. and you are afraid every
time you go out in public. that is why you wear your mask. its not really
all that difficult to understand. why must i repeat MYSELF

your words mean less every time you speak. you are an actor [and you know
it]. you are afraid of revealing yourself to others in public.
coward.

> You can scream and stomp your foot,

i'm doing neither ... you cannot affect me in any way

and repeat until you're out of
> breath, but I will not be experiencing any fear.
>
> Nor do you have the ability to know what another is feeling.

yes i do. i can empathize

>
> > [true] self in public (and YOU should).
>
> The TRUE Self dearest cannot be 'revealed' in public. Nor should it be.
> Only impotent morons

i know you are but what am i

>like yourself fear masks--

i don't fear masks ... i see through them

>and this is really what
> is going on, paired with a grappling brain-driven control-freak
> obsession.
>Reality, dear is veiled, and uncontrollable.

one reality? i doubt it. keep your newage propaganda to yourself

> Humans are one of the greatest mysteries of manifest living life.
> Humans are veiled, masked, and uncontrollable.
> A fantastic mystery, which is only made available as knowledge to few.

uncontrollable? that is irrelevant. humans are predictable because there
are so few options in any given circumstance. consider george w. bush ...
the U.S. gets sucker-punched by osama bin laden ... and how does he respond
... with more violence.

humans don't have to be controlled when we are so damn predictable.

>
> There is no 'simple true self' that you can put on.
>
> This my dearest is being flat and lifeless.
>
> You're incapable of facing manifest and unmanifest reality, which are
> both veiled--and this is so for the human spirit and soul as well with
> very good reason.

keep your newage propaganda to yourself (and yes, i can tell you what to do,
ya bitch)

>If you can't cope, I suggest you do something,
> instead of attempt juvenile threats.

i am not trying to cope. try opening you eyes, dumbass

>
> Secondly, you're not authorized to order anyone around what they should
> or shouldn't.

yes i am

>Dictatorial ape.

i know you are but what am i

> Lastly, no human owes anybody else no part of its privacy.
> No human at all. If someone doesn't wish to appear in public--that is
> his or her wish. Nobody owes anybody such appearances.

i'll say it again just in case you forgot ... you're a coward

> And if one chooses to appear in public, one has full right to do
> it to the extent that he or she wishes.
>
> They are not obligated to do anything. Humans aren't your
> 'bitches on a leash'.

whats with the quotes? i know you're prone to misinterpretation but now
your just lying

>Your pathology is sickening.

you're delusional

>
> > i strongly advise you
>
> Shove your advice up your arse. You're not capable or qualified
> to give advice to anyone.

yes i am

>
> > to keep your mask ON becasue if anyone ever met your [true] self
> > ... they'd beat the fuck out of you.
>
> How sweet. Thank you for that enlightening threat.
> However, I sincerely doubt anyone 'could beat the fuck out of me'.

yes anyone could. remember, you're a coward.

> In person--which is what you mean.

don't fool yourself. you are not capable of comprehending what i write

Identification with the body
> is not 'true self' by any stretch of the imagination.

no shit sherlock

>
>
> Your idiotic ignorance, paired with obsessive threats

do you even know what obsessive means?

> are driven by fear and control-freak .

i control nothing

>You are the one who is
> afraid.

i am capable of fear but you are the coward

>
> > you are a coward
>
> You are talking about yourself.

no, i'm talking about YOU

>
> > david goldchmidt
>
>

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Re: Joseph the Mountaian Sensei-Master


> you are not capable of having a second thought
>
> I am not having a 'second thought'.

because you are never wrong, right?

> On the other hand dearest, you're an idiotic and murderous slug.

i know you are but what am i?

> Not more. As such, you're incapable of judging what others are capable
> and not capable of.

wrong again, ya bitch

>
> take your bully pose elsewhere. It's laughable.

i am laughing

>
> `, . ` `k a r e i' ? ' D42
>
>

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Re: Joseph the Mountaian Sensei-Master


> On Thu, 17 Oct 2002, David Goldschmidt wrote:
>
> > being human is not a flaw. humans are perfectly human.
>
> I'm not sure where you get the impression that 'being human is a flaw'.
> Humans are hardly 'perfectly human'.

moron

Besides this beating in the chest
> 'humanity' game is about as meaningful as calling everyone a fascist.

boring and uninsightful

> The word has been so whored out that nobody knows what they're talking
> about--or hardly nay more.

then shut-up (and yes, i can tell you what to do)

>
> As for humans, they need to overcome their 'humanness'

impossible

>if they want
> to evolve.

into a machine

And evolve they must, at this point. Otherwise, the least
> that would happen is that their capability for spirituality and
> freedom will be 'permanently cut off'--and they will become worse
> than the lowest life-forms in terms of fate.

keep your newage propaganda to yourself

>
>
> > the goal is enlightenment.
> >
> > the goal is NOT a state of inhumaness, un-human, post human (or whatever
it
> > is you think you are)
>
> I don't think dearest.

that is very obvious

>I know what I am.

no you don't

Nor do you have any contact
> at all and whatsoever with 'the goal'.

yes i do

And yes, part of the goal is
> inhumanness.

no it is not

>This is what awaits you after death.

then you are already dead

Beating yourself
> in the chest about your 'humanity' is not going to have much of an
> effect.

no shit sherlock

>
> > stop appropriating eastern philosophy.
>
> I am not appropriating anything,

yes you are

>love.

i love you too

Monkey mimickry of my words
> isn't going to give you any insight.

you're right. your words lack insight. that's the point, dumbass

Secondly this is not 'philosophy'.
> Twit.

i know you are but what am i?

>
> Secondly, avoid ordering me around with regards to my practices--
> of which you know nothing.

yes i do

>Dictatorial ape.

i know you are but what am i?

>
> > you are not qualified to interpret
>
> I am qualified certainly. And I am not interpreting.
> What I am writing is precise and correct.

of course it is, you live in your own world, with your own rules and your
own logic ... except, of course, when you're out in public then you are a
coward behind a mask

>
> > or teach anything you may have [mis]read.
>
> I am not interested in teaching.

burp!

> Nor have I 'read' anything.

liar

> My knowledge is direct experience of such matters.

laughing

> You lack insight to judge where my knowledge comes from,
> or any capability to perceive my being.

wrong again

>
> You're about as qualified a judge about these matters
> as a dead monkey.

better qualified than you

>
> All you are doing is reciting things I've said without understanding
> them, and attempting to pass that as insight.

again, your words lack insight. my repeating them shows this to YOU. my
repeating them reveals this to YOU ... you see your words and you see the
moron that you are

>
> Your character assassination attempts are trivial and uninteresting.

you assassinate yourself ... you don't need my help

>
> `, . ` `k a r e i' ? ' D42
>
>

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Re: Joseph the Mountaian Sensei-Master


>
> The reality of the matter is that in FACT I am not wearing a mask in this
> situation because I am capable of doing so in public for some periods of
> time and protecting myself.

how sad that you must wear a mask in public ... you are a coward and you
live in fear.

david goldschmidt

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Subject: RHIZOME_RAW: Joseph the Mountaian Sensei-Master

> Atheletes develop strong bodies (practicioners of heiho), and if the
> techniques and exercises of budo are practiced rigorously, a strong body
> will develop just as does an athlethe's.
>
> (Takes a look at joseph's body-right).
>
> But budo is not heiho / athletics. Physical strength must never be used
> in budo. Only ki is used. The strength of the human body is limited, the
> power of ki is limitless. The use of ki cannot be taught, but it can be
> learned by those who fight the battle within.
>
> 'Mountain' state is 'symbolic' of a zen-master state, that is one who has
> conquered himself, all of his weaknesses and self-delusions, and has
> overcome his human-ness.
>
> Dogen you are not.
>
> In fact Joseph's life-force is very small. He's rigid, inflexible, and
> brutish. Secondly, Joseph lacks proper capability to orgasm which is
> standard of asleep sexual force, and without such awakening there is no
> development to a state of fluid, conscious and vital ki.
>
> His idiotic and psychotic wishful thinking about my 'fear and hatred' of
> him is little but the tactic of a cowardly dog who lacks power, and who
> thinks that mental tricks would psyche-out his opponent, paired with
> spasmodic twitching, and attempts to salvage his self-importance in
> public. Nevermind that he fancies himself a percieved 'enemy'--even though
> it has been made abundantly clear that nobody is attacking him.
>
> The depiction of his state is simply a 'portrait'--and I paint it as is.
>
> I neither like nor dislike Joseph, yet he's a useful example of the kind
> of idiot who damages others, and who is unfortunately become the udulated
> 'hero' in the face of disappearance of proper spiritual traditions.
>
> The other point of the portrait is this: that this kind of behavior is not
> powerful, not knowledgeable, and not life. It is the behavior of a man who
> is impotent to PERCEIVE so he must claw at the 'masks' of others. The
> realization that one wears a mask is certainly one of the first steps
> to conscious evolution. The next step is not 'dropping the mask and baring
> your soul' however, and this psychotic trend is completely stupid.
>
> The world proper (not human) is not short in Beings who'd love to feed
> on human essense-energy (as it is one of the: purest energies), and one
> is not given this essence so one may piss it away. The 'mask' is a
> necessity--and the proper form of evolution is to SEE behind the mask
> (which is quite feasible), for those for whom this is possible.
>
> For the REST the soul which each human carries is to remain HIDDEN.
> Nobody owes anybody to reveal, show and otherwise make available its
> soul or any part of itself. It is a personal and private business. For
> that matter, nobody owes not anybody ELSE not a whit of their privacy at
> all. AT ALL.
>
> When a human chooses to appear in public, in a responsible manner, it is
> up to the individual human to determine how, to what extent, in what
> manner, and how much of itself it is to reveal. In a situation of
> responsible adults, anyone else would naturally simply feel honored
> and blessed at another's presence--in whatever 'minimal' form it may be.
>
> Critique is idiotic nonsense. One can either assist or not assist.
> Those who can assist are very few--and while I'm not indicating
> discouragement of seeking assistance, advice, help or conversations,
> this posing of *I'm a shaman' *I'm influenced by Sufism* etc etc.
> is drivel. One is neither a shaman, nor a sufi, nor a gnostic christian,
> nor any of this stuff being thrown around if one is a. not awakened b.
> not in direct contact with a 'school' or 'teacher' who is transmitting
> energetic material (and Im not implying human teachers necessarily).
>
> All else is kaput. Wishes, fantasies. 'Dreams'. While i am also not
> discouraging anyone to pursue such interests, the achievement of such
> 'titles' are not trivial. They area pplicable to beings who HAVE done
> work, who ARE awake / evolved, not just to any idiot who is 'fascinated
> by' for whatever reasons-career, he saw another monkey do it,
> self-aggrandizement, etc.
>
> On the subjects of 'power' and 'knowledge' and Truth--they certainly
> exist in an absolute sense, in fact your average human's 'existence'
> is far more emphimeral than those. The reactionary knee-jerkisms
> to the former two are thproughly revealing of many of the posters
> egotistical, diseases, jealous, self-important natures, as well as of your
> pathetic ignorance on such matters and their true nature.
>
> Neither power nor knowledge are made available to egotistical
> self-important twits who 'cling' to them as if they're property.
> Power in particular would destroy any such imbecile.
>
> Secondly, vital energy, vital strength and self-discipline are
> a life-necessity for all humans. This is not brute force. This is not
> aggression. Refusal to tolerate crap is not a 'clenched fist'--
> never has been, nor will it be. The cultivation of ki in whatever form (I
> am not advocating all run out and become japanese / chinese) is VITAL.
>
> On THESE lists what the majority of posters do is debase others,
> attempt to constrict and cut off ki circulation, and cripple any
> human unfortunate enough to has started any sort of development.
> This is all passed on under the guise of 'dialogue' 'discourse'
> 'critique' and hell--'performance art'.
>
> A very large section of posters 'stay quiet' or form little 'elite groups'
> where they stick together and defend each other, huddled in their sleep.
> Rather the opposite of david blah's post, my presence can only be
> threatening to idiots who want to pretend that they are 'important'
> things they are not. And by the way his plea for anycopyright because he
> wants to deface corporate logos, is driven by the same impulse that
> causes one to 'claw' at masks--he wants appropriation of power that is not
> his. Logos are in many aspects derived from 'shields' 'crests' and various
> other similar 'masking' devices, and the REAL IMPULSE is to shatter the
> shield. This is all good and fine if it were directed towards 'the
> narcissistic mirror of self-reflection,' but in ever is. Cause the problem
> is never with ONE, it's always somebody else's fault. Nevermind that this
> gets transferred to the reproductive / fucking impulses and women are
> forthe most part 'shields' or mirrors, so this murderous impulse gets
> transferred to them.
>
> Sanity is not expected however.
>
> The kind of 'honesty' that you attempt to preach does not exist.
> It's merely an attempt to SLOT humans and tag them with an easy label.
> The pathetic weakness of an ape who cannot deal with reality, and seeks
> security, which in turn manifests as psychotic control mechanisms.
>
> What you want is not HONESTY. You want a flat, simple, predictable,
> familiar IDENTITY with which the human is to IDENTIFY WITH. *Oh him
> / her*. The figured out human. The one with the 'personal quirks and
> weaknesses' that somehow make him / her appear less threatening.
> Certainly NOT one who doesn't HAVE any because that'll be a reminder
> of your own state, and that one must work to overcome these things,
> not pretend that they're ornamental jewelry. A weak and 'quirky'
> human is controllable. Safe. Asleep. A strong, aware nd conscious
> Being is not 'predictable'. Not 'controllable'. Never twice the same.
> Never familiar. Connected to the source of knowledge, and to degrees
> available to its being omniscient. Autonomous. And among other things
> free. But that is not 'interesting'. A human victim twitching in its
> trap--be it anger, or making a mistake due to sleep-state, attachment
> and preferably DYING etc. is FAR MORE INTERESTING. Far from artistic
> sensibility, intelligence, and talent, this kind of behavior is informed
> by idiotic stupor and a morbid sado-masochistic pornographic murder
> impulse. This does not come from one capable of genuinely enjoying Self,
> Life, and others, and capable of creation.
>
> The reality of the matter is that in FACT I am not wearing a mask in this
> situation because I am capable of doing so in public for some periods of
> time and protecting myself. What you are SCREAMINg about is that I AM NOT
> A MASK. Because were I A MASK, and IDENTITY, you would know how to relate.
> You'd know which holes to look for, and which buttons to push. What makes
> 'me' tick. The truly sad thing is that your so-elated 'human' contacts
> are rarely joyous. You always seek to relate to another through its
> 'weakness' or 'pain'--and when you don't find any you're BENT on hurting
> the other human in order to 'teach life'. Some of you even have the gal to
> claim that they engage in this sadism 'out of compassion (Max Herman,
> Peter von Brandenburg).' Compassion is the ability to transform another's
> pain into 'love'--that is to heal. This is available to awakened
> individuals mostly as well, although I've had the pleasure of encoyntering
> some who doit unconsciously due to 'special' forces working through them.
> Slapping people around like a butcher with flat stereotypical projections
> is not 'compassionate'. Not only that but it strengthens the 'human'
> masochistic impulse (hit me, I deserve it).
>
> As is, when writing to 'me', you're screaming at a void, and projecting
> all sort of imnecilities. You are not trying to UNMASK me. You are trying
> to DICTATE A MASK TO ME. This is what you WANT. AN IDENTITY.
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> And this my dearest 'all' is driven by ego. Nothing else.
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> So take a good look at yourselves.
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80 years is tooooo long for copyright protections ... let's hope larry wins.

david goldschmidt