Alexis Turner
Since 2005
Works in United States of America

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http://redheadedstepchild.org/

I am not an artist.
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DISCUSSION

Re: Re: what are we calling ourselves?


I think that it's rather a
fruitless attempt, outside of solving pragmatic matters like making it less of
a train wreck for people doing searches for information on the subject. Lemme
tell ya, it's hell trying to just find a damn program to apply to if everyone
of them calls themselves something different. That said, it turns out that they
all take an -extremely- different approach, so shunting them all off in a corner
together doesn't end up being nearly as useful as it might appear at first
glance.

Pragmatism aside, I think trying to pin down the topic rather misses its point.
The general idea is to use something which is electrically powered and create
something (and even then, that's not -always- true...take bio-art). That's
pretty frigging broad. You wouldn't call all things done using wood
"cabinetry," or even "woodworking." You can do a million things with wood,
including shipbuilding and house building, neither of which remotely qualifies
under the seemingly encompassing "woodworking." So why do we continue to
presume we should, or even can, devise a single name for something that isn't
even as limiting as using 1 medium (wood)? Seems rather like trying to
collect the ocean in a bucket. Just as easy. Just as useful.

To date, the rather generic term "new media" is probably the best(?) attempt
so far, in that it makes no assumption about the media other than that it isn't
traditional and relies (somehow) on modern technological innovation, nor does it
make an assumption about the point, message, medium, or technique, as does much
of the other nomenclature. To me, "new media" encompasses more specific
flavors like "digital art," "bio art," "net.art," "hacktivism," "generative
art," etc. We keep getting confused because we continue, sloppily, thinking
about and using them interchangeably, and we get our panties in a wad every
time someone comes along with a new one that we haven't thought of yet, as
though they're being bad or something by not just lumping it in to an existing,
if inappropriate, genre. They are not interchangeable, technology has
not stopped progressing, and people have not stopped devising new things to do
with existing tools.
-Alexis

On Sat, 22 Jul 2006, Jerry King Musser wrote:

::Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2006 06:07:26 -0700
::From: Jerry King Musser <musser@musser.cc>
::To: list@rhizome.org
::Subject: RHIZOME_RAW: Re: what are we calling ourselves?
::
::I've been hearing 'integrated media' lately.
::
::But, a word about the responses of some others...
::
::I think the gentleman was asking a serious question and I believe we should show enough respect for his intention by simply answering honestly or not at all.
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DISCUSSION

Re: Re: Re: net art?


Shit, was I sleeping on the job?
-Alexis

On Wed, 19 Jul 2006, Eric Dymond wrote:

::Good point Jim. I hope it's just that the summer creates a less charged atmosphere, I think it's just a more reflective time.
::Hopefully when September rolls around the discussions re. net.art will resume. I remeber someone on Matrix (Interaccess' old BBS) posting a message about letting the computers rest when the weather is so nice (I think it was Tom Leonardt) and it's not such a bad idea. Input time rather than output time.
::
::Eric

DISCUSSION

Re: SocialEast Forum (Call for Papers)


::Sorry ,in my innocence I had assumed it was the duty
::of academics to look beyond self labelling.

It is the job of academics to not only look beyond self-labeling, but also to
create labels so far removed from reality that they in no way imply a stance,
thus allowing the academic to either disavow anything they have said or claim
that the person reading the statement has not understood it. It is also the
academic's job to turn any question around on the questioner by saying
things like, "Well, my silly man, what would -you- have called it?", thus,
again, implying that the reader has not understood.

Really, if you want to argue against a system, the only way you are allowed to
do it is by playing the same game, even if your complaint is that it is the game
that is corrupt. Otherwise, you haven't understood it. Jesus, man, get it
together.
-Alexis

DISCUSSION

Re: LOOK-LOOK WANTS BITCHES!


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interested in publishing creative work (film, music, photography, illustrat=
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world.

We are an ad agency that hires desperate punks who have just graduated from=

college and have no marketable skills. We get them pumped up on Jolt! soda=
and
make them think it is a good idea to create fake "underground" adverts for =
their
skate communities, and then pass them off as legitimate "underground" "art"=

"statements." That way, our global multinational bevarage partner company =
sells
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un
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::If you are interested please request an application form at applytobeasel=
lout@look-look.com

We would like you to be our artist shills.

::We can't wait to see your work!

See how friendly and cool I sound!? I must be hip like you!

DISCUSSION

Re: Re: Re: New Media Ghetto


::And, yes, [new media] artists don't live in a ghetto...We live connected to other
::[new media] artists, [new media] theorists and [new media] curators throughout the world.

Exactly.